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And laptop manufacturers will now proceed to stuffing these into bargain bin laptops with shitty 1080 displays. To this day desktop/workstation Ryzen CPUs are n
by m0zg 7y ago
And laptop manufacturers will now proceed to stuffing these into bargain bin laptops with shitty 1080 displays. To this day desktop/workstation Ryzen CPUs are not treated as a premium product in spite of their superior performance.
I wish Apple would adopt this at least for some products. It'd give AMD more credibility, and Apple would be able to negotiate pricing more easily with Intel.
- lykr0n 7y agoLenovo makes a T450 (or something, I forget) that's a really good workstation laptop. They also have an AMD SKU of this laptop with everything except the upgraded screens. Part of the reason the X1 Carbon is great is because 14" screen @ 1440p. Now give me an AMD version and I would be all over it.
- ahartmetz 7y agoThe T495 is the T490 with Ryzen. I am so going to get the next model with Ryzen 4000. The only question is how Lenovo is going to solve the naming problem ;)
- beatgammit 7y agoI couldn't wait so I got the E495. I wanted the T495, but I'm not going to pay a premium for a laptop that's worse than previous revisions (no option for second battery, soldered RAM). However, since I got a good deal on mine, I'll consider getting an upgrade if the next batch of laptops look good. I hope Lenovo backtracks on soldering on RAM and removing the option for a second battery for the T-series. If I want thin, I'll get an X-series, I got the T-series because it's a work horse that can be configured according to my needs. I'm not satisfied with the solution of having a USB battery bank as a backup.
- LeifCarrotson 7y agoSeems solved already - the AMD variant is simply labeled as being 5 better than the Intel. Or did you mean the 490+10 = 4100 vs 500 naming problem?
- ahartmetz 7y agoThe latter - historically they added or removed digits when the number overflowed. Both aren't very good solutions IMO.
- lorenzhs 7y agoThe T490's successor is going to be called T14, the T590's is the T15, and the X390's the X13, and so on. They'll probably go the "n-th generation (202X)" route for model years, as they've been doing with the X1 series. We'll see what they're going to call the AMD versions. Source: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T14-X13-T490-X390-successors-adhere-to-new-naming-scheme.445044.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T14-X13-T490-X...
- read_if_gay_ 7y agoThey should just call them T800 and T1000 if you ask me
- m0zg 7y ago>> Now give me an AMD version [of X1 Carbon] and I would be all over it. And so would I. X1 has been my workhorse for the past 5 years or so. If the native Linux GPU drivers work well, I'd upgrade to a Radeon APU based X1 Carbon. I don't even care if it's expensive.
- astrec 7y agoHave the X395 (3500U config) -- running Pop!_OS without issue.
- lykr0n 7y agoLooks awesome, but the 16G of RAM and the 14" 1440p are what makes the X1 awesome.
- nwallin 7y agoThe X395 is available with 16GB RAM. Don't recall screen resolution. Looked into buying one but my XPS13 developer edition's warrantee doesn't expire until next October. My next laptop will be a Zen 2, regardless of whether or not Dell steps up to the plate. I hope they do. I prefer the fit and finish of my current XPS13 to my previous X230. Also the XPS 13 developer edition ships with Linux, which I approve of.
- lykr0n 7y agoI only say 8GB option on the site. Resolution maxes out at 1080p
- astrec 7y agoI configured mine with 16G RAM, but yeah, the screen options max out at 1920x1080 and 300nits. That said, for a laptop with this form factor it's got an amazing keyboard.
- pedrocr 7y agoThe T495s should be the solution for this but annoyingly they don't offer the 1440p screen like they do on the T490s (that can even go to 32GB of RAM). But the an AMD X1 would be awesome indeed. The better chassis and 4K screen would make it the ideal machine for me. I'd love it if they did that in the Gen 8 but I'm not holding my breath...
- lhoff 7y agoI think it takes a little more time. The avergae customers that doesn't follow the news have to get used to AMD being not the cheap stuff. But it think it is slowly changeing with AMD being now competitive in notebook, desktop and server market. I think Dell/Alienware just presented there new flagship gaming desktop with an AMD CPU.
- kortilla 7y agoThe average customer doesn’t even notice AMD vs Intel.
- astrodust 7y agoI wonder if Apple knows something about what Intel has in store, or if they just doin't care because the performance of their ARM-type chips will be so vastly better they can emulate x86 and still be faster than what Intel has. That being said, the Mac Pro with a 64-core Ryzen chip and 4TB of memory would have been absolutely nuts.
- agumonkey 7y agoLinux tech tips made a surprisingly long stream of videos, all boldly blasting how they were 'perf leader'. I'd be surprised if brands don't follow youtube and such a little.
- BHSPitMonkey 7y agoI think you mean Linus Tech Tips (not affiliated with Linux or Linus Torvalds).
- agumonkey 7y agoyeah auto suggest fail
- The_rationalist 7y agoTorvalds is pro AMD too anyway ;)
- bitL 7y agoPrecisely. I am wondering if there are some behind-the-scene deals with Intel to put premium stuff only into their laptops or motherboard. Another thing is the latest TRX40 boards have all at most 4 PCIe slots, which is a joke for a workstation. Imagine a 64 core CPU with only 4 PCIe slots... I don't believe in coincidences across all manufacturers, it doesn't make sense to be less competitive.
- wmf 7y agoIntel/AMD don't sell chips; they sell "platforms" and most vendors won't deviate too much. And 16 lanes times 4 slots does equal 64. If you want more there's always Epyc.
- bitL 7y agoLenovo announced some Yoga laptop with Ryzen 4000, which is an AMD version of their Intel laptop. The differences? No 4k and only 8GB RAM for AMD. 4-core Intel has 16GB, 8-core AMD has 8GB RAM. Coincidence, right?
- llampx 7y agoI've had it with Intel and laptop OEMs.
- bitL 7y agox299 has up to 7 PCIe slots with only 28 PCIe 3 lanes. TRX40 has 64 PCIe 4 lanes. They could easily support a mode with 8 PCIe slots in PCIe 3 mode and full lanes. Instead we get 4 PCIe slots... My Deep Learning rig has 6 GPUs already.
- neogodless 7y agoWell, Dell, Lenovo and Asus are onboard, and at least Asus seems to be gearing up for some premium offerings. So far, these laptop chips were mid-level performers with mediocre battery life. At least in their marketing slides, they are potentially addressing both issues. Zen 2 on 7nm is allowing for high core count, higher clocks and low TDP. In theory they've also improved the idle states to reduce power usage under more conditions. Both the above theoretical improvements and availability in desirable laptop chassis's will remain to be seen, but at least we can be optimistic, given the desktop wins we've seen this year.
- lettergram 7y agoFrom the link: > the company said that they have rearchitected a good portion of the power delivery in the APU in order to be able to power down and power gate more elements of the SoC than was previously possible Appears they did reduce the power usage, remains to be seen how much in reality.
- varjag 7y agoThe perf/power graphs there are some bullshit synthetic metric with combined CPU+GPU performance. So indeed it is yet to be seen if this translates into better battery life.
- henryfjordan 7y agoHow's the power usage of these Ryzen chips vs Intel vs Apple's home-brew ones? The consumer cares a lot more about battery life than they do about getting the last 10% of performance out of a chip these days.
- neogodless 7y agoThese will be the first Zen 2 7nm laptop APUs from AMD. The article goes into details about being able to get more power from the same frequency, the greater IPC, and some architectural improvements to reduce power usage throughout the SoC to extend battery life. Of course watch for reviews once retail units are available!
- toast0 7y agoRyzen 3000 aka Zen+ mobile wasn't a premium product. GPU was certainly better than Intel, but CPU wasn't the perf/watt simply wasn't there. I hope they'll stuff these into bargain bin laptops with 1080p displays though. I'm in the market, and don't care to pay more to use more resources for higher dpi that I can barely see the difference with and just causes software headaches. :P
- whynotminot 7y agoThis. Ryzen has been great in the desktop space, but it hasn't quite put its best foot forward in mobile where Intel has been the better performance and battery life option, graphics aside. With Ryzen 4000 we're finally seeing a truly competitive, perhaps even better (we'll have to see how battery life compares) APU. The premium choices should come along if the chips measure up this time around.
- basilgohar 7y agoThere were OEM mess-ups that exacerbated the moderate performance of AMD laptops, like configuring single-channel setups for no obvious reasons even with dual slots, poor thermal management, and more.
- toastal 7y agoI'd just like to see high quality 1440 panel laptops come in vogue. Why do I need a 4K 13" laptop when I can't discern the difference between 1440 at regular sitting distance? Wasted pixels and wasted battery. Also, it seems like the 4K panels are the only ones with wide color gamut and proper color accuracy.
- deepGem 7y agoHappy to see that I'm not the only one in this camp. I don't see the need for such Pixel density on the Mac 13inch laptops. What a waste of resources. In fact, am happy with a 1080p matte display.
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- zozbot234 7y ago"Shitty 1080p displays"? Back in the day, 1024px was the highest accessible resolution even on desktop hardware, never mind laptops. And now we're even getting that vertical resolution on a wide-screen display.
- m0zg 7y agoA lot of things were tolerable "back in the day". Nowadays I'd rather pay $100 more and have much lower eye strain, if such an option is available.
- failuser 7y agoHow having more than 1080p on a 13..15” screen would prevent eye strain? Or ‘shitty’ here mans cheap TS, not 1080p resolution itself?
- wmf 7y agoInternet commenters all have amazing eyesight (which also seems to improve along with hardware).
- m0zg 7y agoI don't have amazing eyesight anymore thanks to staring at shitty low res displays for almost two decades before Apple released Retina Display. I haven't used a low res display since then. I also run my stuff with pretty large font sizes, and use a 32" 4K IPS display as my primary monitor for work. I advise others to do the same.
- seanmcdirmid 7y agoA 4K 32” isn’t that great. The minimum I would use is a 4K 28”, but even then I still see pixels. The best solution right now for good desktop resolution is an iMac 27” 5k, which has similar DPI to a modern high end laptop. And running without the need for anti-aliasing is great for reading text in a code editor.
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- sb057 7y agoI was recently browsing budget laptops and was astonished to find that 1366 x 768 displays are still a thing.
- bduerst 7y agoYep, 1080 is still (sadly) considered not too bad for a laptop.
- okaycan 7y agoMay I ask why is 1080 sad? I have been on 1366x768 during the early 2010s. But switch to 1080 over the last couple of years. While my personal desktop is on 1440p, 1080 is still very much a 'good enough' resolution for corporate work and day-to-day browsing usage. I see this trend to stick around for the next 5 years at least because most consumers don't really see non-marginal benefit in moving to 1440p.
- chrisseaton 7y ago> May I ask why is 1080 sad? A serious laptop these days might have 1800 rows or so. 1080 is pretty miserable. Pixels are going to be large and blocky and text (which is what most corporate work and day to day browsing is) is going to be blurry and poorly defined.
- genS3 7y agoactually most of the time laptops (beside super expensive macbooks) are very bad at using 4k and the screen look way blurier than a nice sony vaio 1080p screen (what an amazin computer it was) from almost 10 years ago. especially with windows still sucking at really handling 4k
- kadoban 7y ago1440 is a thing, you don't have to go right to 4k (which yeah is often going to be a mistake in a budget to mid-tier machine).
- k_sze 7y agoMicrosoft is also onboard, I think? Their latest Surface Laptop 3 has top-priced models with AMD CPUs
- localhost 7y agoPrevious gen. Not competitive with the 1065g7 in the 13” Surface Laptop 3.
- basilgohar 7y agoIt was a good first step, hopefully they iterate with the newer gen (see sibling comment) and keep making a more premium offering than has been standard lately.
- alberth 7y agoRe: Apple using AMD cpu. Apple can’t until either: Intel opensources thunderbolt or Apple drops Thunderbolt support. Years ago Intel said they would but they still haven’t yet. Edit: I originally stated Lightning and meant to say Thunderbolt.
- wmf 7y agoThere are a handful of AMD systems with Thunderbolt already. Presumably the situation will be better with USB 4.0.
- The_rationalist 7y agoIntel has made Thunderbolt royalty free.
- alberth 7y agoIt’s still not royalty free yet. There’s AMD mobo with thunderbolt support but they aren’t certified.
- akiselev 7y agoIt may be royalty free but getting access to the chips and reference designs still requires signing an NDA with Intel (which they may or may not even give you a chance to do). They are still the gatekeepers for the technology because no one else makes comparable chips.
- ksec 7y ago>Years ago Intel said they would but they still haven’t yet. They did and It is called USB 4. Where the top USB 4 profile provides full TB3 compatibility.
- ksec 7y ago>I wish Apple would adopt this at least for some products. It'd give AMD more credibility, and Apple would be able to negotiate pricing more easily with Intel. May I am reading too much into a small thing. But this is the first time I remember any vendors has Apple's product Image and Logo in their presentation. Normally for other brands using their logos and image are simply a request away. Not Apple. Apple has historically distant itself from any vendors using their logo as some sort of endorsement. Since winning the Apple contract is a quality label in itself. In almost all other cases you can mention, speak, or use the text "Apple" with regards to Apple itself using your component. But I dont ever record product image and Logo being used. I think the Ryzen 4000s fits MacBook Pro 14" or MacBook Air Retina perfectly. Or even the MacBook Pro 16". Instead of using a Gaming Focused Navi / RDNA GPU, it is bundled with a GPGPU focused Vega, which Apple has already been Optimising for their Metal Compute. Just waiting until USB 4 / Thunderbolt 3 is fully opened with non-Intel solution I guess Apple will be good to go then.
- foota 7y agoFascinating. I remember seeing an article rumoring a very expensive Apple desktop. Possibly related?
- sq_ 7y agoWas Apple mentioned somewhere in the slide deck that Anandtech has as the second part of the article? Or was it in a video version of the presentation? Super interested by what you're saying here.
- wmf 7y agoAMD had a slide showing a bunch of partners, including Apple (for GPUs only, of course).
- ksec 7y agoIt was shown in the liveblog [1]. Just to give you an example of an organisation which wants to use Apple's logo but likely hasn't got permission due to Apple does not want to officially endorse it. [2] [1]https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15333/IMG_20200106_140421.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15333/IMG_20200106_140421.... [2] https://aomedia.org/membership/members/ https://aomedia.org/membership/members/
- Zenst 7y agohttps://www.ultrabookreview.com/34951-asus-zephyrus-g14-14-inch-early-review/ https://www.ultrabookreview.com/34951-asus-zephyrus-g14-14-i... Screen: 14 inch, FHD 1920 x 1080 px resolution, IPS-Level, 60 Hz, matte, 100% sRGB, Pantone Validated 14 inch, FHD 1920 x 1080 px resolution, IPS-Level, 120 Hz, matte, 100% sRGB, Pantone Validated 14 inch, WQHD 2560 x 1440 px resolution, IPS-Level, 60 Hz, matte, 100% sRGB, Pantone Validated But I'm sure there will be many other offerings and possible Apple may well. But who knows, Apple may just license the core and launch a hybrid x86/ARM system. Fun times though.
- FpUser 7y ago"And laptop manufacturers will now proceed to stuffing these into bargain bin laptops with shitty 1080 displays" Which is good as we would have some serious processing power without having to second mortgage a house. At 15" 1080 display is anything but shitty (assuming it has decent gamut and dynamic range). Higher resolutions are much better served by standalone monitors. 40" 4K works just fine for me while on 15" screen 4K either makes fonts too small or if I increase the scale then there is no real difference with 1080
- CodeArtisan 7y agoIIRC, high dpi erases the need for font aliasing, cleartype, ...
- FpUser 7y agoWhy would I care about it from a user point of view? Games use their own fonts rendering and regular business soft looks just fine. And paying hundreds of dollars more for tiny 4K display in my opinion is not very good ROI
- basilgohar 7y ago(Disclaimer, I submitted the linked HN post and wrote the linked blog post.) I talk about this explicitly here [0]. I think it's important that this be called-out widely and given attention. As I said in the first comment there, it's hard to vote with your wallet when the option you want doesn't exist. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21975877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21975877
- mixmastamyk 7y agoReminds me of the lack of non-wide hi-dpi monitors. Nothing at 4:3, 3:2, or 16:10 exists anymore—even if you were willing to pay $10,000+.
- basilgohar 7y ago15 years ago I had a Dell laptop with a 15.4 1920x1200 (16:10) screen. Nowadays you can't find something like that except on esoteric "Toughbooks" by Panasonic...
- chao- 7y agoCoincidentally enough, Dell's recent upgrade to the XPS 13 includes a 16:10 monitor. Announced only a few days ago, available today. https://www.arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/01/dell-updates-xps-13-laptop-with-1610-aspect-ratio-screen-ir-camera https://www.arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/01/dell-updates-xps...
- core-questions 7y agoI have a similar Dell Pentium 3, still works, from 2002. 1600x1200 15" 4:3 screen. I still occasionally use the thing for nostalgia's sake.
- mixmastamyk 7y agoI remember it! Awesome.
- fierarul 7y agoI had that laptop. Amazing screen (and a tank of a laptop). Back then other other cool thing was the 17" MacBook Pro. It was glorious.
- bubblethink 7y agoCan't blame just the manufacturers. AMD seems to do no QA with its BIOS before handing it to OEMS. Most of the previous generation's AMD laptops had issues with linux. AMD bios updates are still not supported under linux. If AMD doesn't care about the core enthusiast crowd, why should people care ?
- zozbot234 7y agoMost bioses can update themselves from the system setup menu. Just download the bios update in an appropriate format, put it somewhere that's accessible to the bios, and you're set.
- basilgohar 7y agoCan you provide some examples? I own two AMD-powered laptops and neither had BIOS issues.
- bubblethink 7y agohttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo#E_series https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo#E_series And note that https://fwupd.org/lvfs/firmware/new https://fwupd.org/lvfs/firmware/new does not list any AMD laptops. So even if you get a functional laptop, you won't be able to update the bios easily.
- basilgohar 7y agoThat's really unfortunate. I appreciate you sharing that with me. I hope this gets more attention. But is the BIOS something controlled by AMD or the OEMs? My whole point in this and other threads it that OEMs are handling things poorly, and that's what's affecting AMDs prospects in the mobile market. The BIOS is a highly device-specific firmware, so that's why I'm asking.
- bubblethink 7y agoThe development of the BIOS is (typically) done by a company like AMI that interfaces with silicon manufacturers like AMD/Intel and laptop manufacturers like Lenovo/Dell. All of them are to blame for BIOS bugs since almost all laptop platforms (barring Chromebooks and a few others) are locked down in a way that nobody other than them can fix the issues.
- nirvdrum 7y agoI was recently looking at various Ryzen 3xxxu series laptops to help a family member trying to get something on a budget. One thing I noticed while researching them is a lot of people think Ryzen systems are cheap builds because they require two RAM channels for the iGPU to be any good. So, on a Dell system with 8GB RAM instead of getting one 8GB DIMM and one free slot, you end up with two 4GB DIMMs and no free slots. A lot of people think this Dell cutting corners on builds by shoving in cheaper parts and subsequently making it harder to upgrade the laptop. I think there's a market education component here that isn't going to be easy to tackle.
- wmf 7y agoShipping dual-channel is better because 99% of people never upgrade.
- nirvdrum 7y agoI agree. But that speaks to the market education component I was referring to. For people that don't know the difference, they're probably not looking at a premium build anyway. And for those that want the capability to upgrade, occupying both RAM slots with lower capacity DIMMs appears to be a worse situation than you get with a typical Intel build. Moreover, since they're occupied with 4GB DIMMs a fair number of people think this is done as a cost saving measure on a cheap machine. I'm not an industry analyst, but that strikes me as something that's going to be difficult for AMD if they're looking to move into the higher end of the market.
- ct520 7y agosounds like microsoft is in it for the long hall. Hopefully they come out with more skus with top end hardware to pilot the industry forward for premium amd laptops
- thawaway1837 7y agoI think it will be different this time. And the reason is that Intel has really dropped the ball. Even if Intel’s chips are better, they have had massive shortages over the past few years. If you aren’t buying 100s or laptops a week, there were periods where Dell would not sell you a modern business laptop at any price because they didn’t have Intel chips. I’m hoping the system integrators have learned their lesson and go out of their way to support and promote AMD for their own sakes.
- microcolonel 7y ago> And laptop manufacturers will now proceed to stuffing these into bargain bin laptops with shitty 1080 displays. To this day desktop/workstation Ryzen CPUs are not treated as a premium product in spite of their superior performance. Seems like all, or nearly all, of ASUS's laptops this quarter, from premium to value, are Ryzen; shipping with 120Hz+ displays, some of them IPS.
- seanmcdirmid 7y agoOne would think 1080p displays aren’t even profitable to make these days compared to the cost of a HiDPI, just like we don’t see 800x600 or 1024x768 displays anymore. Eventually, whatever money is being saved by a power res display will be too marginal to make it reasonable to place in new products (ie when 2X DPI becomes the new 1X).
- p1necone 7y agoOn a typical laptop sized screen (13-17") I don't find > 1080p displays to be that much better, the pixels are already tiny. If it provides significant cost savings it seems like a good decision to me. Of course also offering higher res options for those who want to pay for them would be nice.
- int_19h 7y agoThe main benefit is text. After using 4K for a while, regular 1080p looks very fuzzy and pixelated to me solely because of text.
- shmerl 7y agoLenovo makes good laptops with AMD. Not sure what you call premium exactly. I wouldn't call Apple laptops premium, I personally don't view as as well designed. The keyboard for example is atrocious.
- zouhair 7y agoQueue Canadian Linus[0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGUESEq75ZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGUESEq75ZI
- sneak 7y agoI doubt Apple cares that much about x64’s future on the sort of manufacturing timescales (2-4 years) they work on. I bet they already have an approximate release date for the MacBook Air that ships with an 64 bit ARM AnX CPU. It’s been brewing for at least 3 years now. 2021, perhaps?
- mycall 7y agoDo you think Apple would bring back universal binaries?
- sneak 7y agoNot necessary under the App Store model, I think - don’t they already have partial/conditional downloading of hardware-platform-specific assets running on iOS? I wonder how many fucks they give about non-App Store apps. I rely on them, but I know Apple is using the App Store to herd developers toward embracing best practices for security like sandboxing and entitlements and userspace drivers, et c. Also, there is nothing to “bring back” AFAIK; the os x binary format (mach-o, isn’t it?) still supports multiple architectures like it did the last time we all went through this dance. See also: 64 bit iOS/watchOS binaries.
- Nullabillity 7y ago1080p is in that sweet spot where it looks good enough without requiring buggy and inconsistent HiDPI scaling.
- tjoff 7y ago16:9 though... Absolute garbage. At least 16:10 is a must, but now when 3:2 exist everything else just looks so hopelessly inadequate.
- kuschku 7y ago1:sqrt(2) is pretty much the ideal ratio anyway, A4 in landscape :)
- mycall 7y ago3:2 is MS Surface only, yes?
- tjoff 7y agoMatebook x pro (and other in the matebook series) as well, and I saw something new released (non ms/huawei) with it this week too. So hopefully it will be more common.
- deno 7y agoI’m using HiDPI on Linux/KDE and haven’t had any issues for a long time. Windows can’t be much worse. I think you need to reevaluate. 1080p might be fine for a phone. There’s nothing ‘sweet’ about blurry text[1] on a lowDPI laptop screen, in my opinion. Especially if you’re buying new. Paying real money for obolete tech makes no sense. [1] https://webcube-general.s3.amazonaws.com/eizo/media/contentassets/2015/03/26/tm_1409eizo_02.jpg https://webcube-general.s3.amazonaws.com/eizo/media/contenta...
- thekyle 7y agoWhat's wrong with a 1080p display on a laptop? My current laptop has a 2560×1440 screen and I can almost guarantee that my next one will be 1080p matte if I can help it. There is just no point in me wasting compute on pixels that I'll never see.
- frou_dh 7y agoText rendering when the OS is running in a HiDPI mode (e.g. 4x as many pixels used for each character) is not a waste. It's more legible and looks wonderful. No chance of not noticing it in action.
- FractalParadigm 7y agoDitto; I opted for the 4K display in my XPS 15, and as gorgeous as it may be it's beyond unnecessary for text editing, web browsing, and even watching video. If I had to spec out the same machine today, I would opt for the 1080p display. Not just for the increased battery life, but better overall graphics performance as well. Unless you're doing serious graphics work, it's just not necessary. 4K has its place, but smaller displays where you'd be hard-pressed to notice the difference at typical viewing distances is just not it.
- me551ah 7y agoI'm curious about how many people actually have laptops with resolutions higher than 1080p and use them without display scaling. People buy a high resolution laptop and turn the scaling on 200%, effectively nullifying the benefits of a high resolution display.
- leadingthenet 7y agoA high resolution display is useful for more than just seeing additional things on the screen at once.
- oblio 7y agoThe image is crisper to me, than for a regular non-scaled display.
- baconizer 7y agoThere are non English computer users benefit greatly from high DPI displays, especially oriental characters; and there are a lot of us.
- lultimouomo 7y agoI'd say that scaling up is exactly the benefit of a HiDPI display; if you don't you keep the same crappy low resulution rendering, only in smaller size!
- toyg 7y agoI'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. Using a hi-dpi display at native res on a 15'' screen is a recipe to kill your eyes, whereas scaling to 200% gives you butter-smooth text that relaxes them. That is the benefit. When I was young, I was all for keeping text small and stuff ing as much info on the screen as I could. Nowadays, I just struggle to work on any native-res screen: unscaled low-dpi looks like crap, unscaled hi-dpi is tiring. My world changed with the 2012 retina MBP and I simply cannot go back.
- teekert 7y agoThere is scaling like just making every pixel a 2x2 pixel area on the screen, but there is also scaling that increase the resolution. I think me551ah was talking about the former kind, which also seems useless to me, just buy a 1080p display. the second kind though makes everything nicer.
- nspattak 7y agoI think that this will depend on the actual performance of the CPU. While apple is a huge manufacturer, MS did choose to use them in their surface laptops. And as much as I wanted the previous mobile ryzen cpus to take off, most of the reviews were against them in the battery life tests while the performance tests weren't enough to make up for it. The same was true for any amd powered laptop, not only for surfaces.
- Tepix 7y agoPrelude: I am a HiDPI junkie: I had a IBM T221 200 ppi monitor more than 12 years ago. I currently have a Dell XPS 13 9350 with 3200x1800 at 13.3" (276ppi). However my next ultrabook (with a 14" or smaller display) will probably feature what you call "a shitty 1080 display". 1080 at 13.3" is 170ppi which is just fine for a laptop because you're not as close to the display as on a smartphone or a watch.
- bluedino 7y agoI thought the same thing. But it only works if display scaling is perfect. Windows 10 just isn't quite there yet, espeially if you mix an external monitor of a different PPI. 1080 ~ 13/14" isn't quite big enough for me to use native, and not enough DPI to use scaled. Lenovo's 1440p and Apple's 1600p displays are ideal. 1800p would actually be a little better. The Surface book's 2000p screen is best of all plus it is 3:2....
- windexh8er 7y agoAgreed wholly. I spent hours trying to find a laptop with a higher resolution screen than 1080 I could replace my T470 (14") with. After getting it I realized I significantly liked the 1080 panel better - aside from the fact I wish it had a higher nit rating. Not only that but the 1080 panel is much more power efficient and with the dual batteries on it I can get more than 10 hours out of it running Linux (and everything works really well). I have a hard time context switching between my work provided laptop (MBP 15", 32GB, Touchbar, etc) and it. The screen and the keyboard are jarring and, again, would rather do all my work on the smaller screen 1080 laptop with a real keyboard. Apple could do wonders in a 14" MBP format with a typing focused keyboard (no Touchbar) and a 1080 panel. Would trade in my existing corporate laptop in a heartbeat. Especially if it had 32GB of RAM (needed for VM/container setup and could actually use 48-64, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon).
- bluedino 7y agoThey made the 13" Air for the last ten years with a 13.3 900p screen > Apple could do wonders in a 14" MBP format with a typing focused > keyboard (no Touchbar) and a 1080 panel.
- gtm1260 7y agoLook at Asus's new line of premium laptops. All AMD Ryzen 4th gen. Ryzen 9 CPU's have been out of stock for months as enthusiasts and professionals are jumping at the value of getting 16 cores for ~750$. I think the tide of the market is shifting significantly, especially in consumers minds.
- rb808 7y ago"ASUS DITCHES Intel" - yesterdays vid from LTT about Asus at CES 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGUESEq75ZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGUESEq75ZI
- Shorel 7y agoI like the 1080p display in my laptop. In fact, the 2-in-1 convertible I bought was mainly offered in 4k and the 1080p option was harder to find. So, it totally depends on the buyer.
- NullPrefix 7y ago>bargain bin laptops with shitty 1080 displays The era of shitty 1366x768 displays is finally over.
- johnwish007 7y ago1080p is good enough on a 15.6" screen plus you get extra battery time. Not everyone needs 4k.