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Not particularly well informed on this, just want to point out to those trying to decide between scenario 1 (Ghosn broke the law with impunity because he was a

Not particularly well informed on this, just want to point out to those trying to decide between scenario 1 (Ghosn broke the law with impunity because he was a CEO and felt entitled) and scenario 2 (Ghosn is really being persecuted for being a non-Japanese CEO of a Japanese company), that it is logically possible for both to be true. In other words, like Martha Stewart, he might not have been doing anything that his peers weren't also doing, but also doing things that were illegal. Of course, the fact that scenarios 1 and 2 are not incompatible, is not proof that they both happened, just pointing out that it is logically possible for both to be true.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
Escaping state surveillance from Japan and then landing up in Lebanon via Turkey while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) One could argue this was a rightful fleeing of persecution. But it complicates the picture on many levels. EDIT: looks like he kept a second French passport [1]. He would have only had to break many laws in two countries, mostly around aviation and declaration. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos-ghosn-met-lebanese-president-fleeing-japan-sources-say/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos...
- gryson 7y ago
  As reported in the news, he had two French passports and was allowed to carry one of them in Japan in a locked case. Presumably he broke the lock and used it to enter Turkey and Lebanon.
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > As reported in the news Do you have a source for this? It would be unusual (and incompetent) for the Japanese to permit this.
    - gryson 7y ago
      "Ghosn carried second French passport with him after release from jail: source" in the Japan Times https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos-ghosn-met-lebanese-president-fleeing-japan-sources-say/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos...
  - glofish 7y ago
    You shouldn't even need to show a passport to fly through a country's airport if you transit through. I wonder why the plane did not go directly to Lebanon - it is probably to avoid raising suspicion.
    - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
      > You shouldn't even need to show a passport to fly through a country's airport if you transit through There are all kinds of manifest declaration requirements that would need to be ignored.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - jen20 7y ago
      This is only true in some countries. It’s not in the USA for example, which requires that even connecting passengers clear the US border and customs at their point of entry.
      - Scoundreller 7y ago
        And Canada. They’ve finally started doing a better job of not requiring you to pickup your luggage while transiting only to drop it off another belt a minute later. But that’s not universal.
      - raverbashing 7y ago
        I think the US and Canada are the exceptions rather than the rule. (Because of course they charge people for a transit visa)
        CPLX 7y ago
        It’s more likely that the “because” has to do with people claiming asylum. If you don’t require transit visas it becomes fairly trivial to get into the US and claim asylum while supposedly in transit to somewhere else.
  - k_sze 7y ago
    I didn't know that a person can simultaneously have two valid passports of the same country. I thought you either have to declare the old one as lost or bring it to the passport office to have it invalidated, when you apply for a new one. How does this work?
    - gryson 7y ago
      Typically for business travel. If you have to send your passport off to get a visa from an embassy, you might still have to travel to another country while waiting to get it back, for example. https://www.businesstraveller.com/features/apply-second-uk-passport/ https://www.businesstraveller.com/features/apply-second-uk-p...
    - noirbot 7y ago
      I believe it's not too hard to do in some countries. It's usually to partition your travel history somewhat to avoid incidents. I know in the past, I'd heard that people in the US who had to do business in the middle east would often have two passports because there were enough countries that would take issue with you having visited Israel or Iran that you needed to keep them separate.
      - NullPrefix 7y ago
        Three or more countries can participate in a Mexican standoff. If you want to visit them all, you can't show the same passport twice. Is there a limit on how many passports you can have?
        wongarsu 7y ago
        I don't think this has been an issue in the last century. Countries will take a stance on it if it actually happens.
    - wereHamster 7y ago
      People traveling through the middle east and Israel often have two passports. One they show the israeli immigration officers, and the other they show elsewhere. Israel will interrogate when you show up on their borders with an stamp in your passport from on of the arabic states. It's just a way to get around this kind of hassle.
  - mytailorisrich 7y ago
    As a Lebanese citizen, I believe that he only needed to show a Lebanese ID card to enter the country.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      Or nothing at all. Usually countries can’t deny entry by their own citizens, as long as you can prove who you are. They often do make it hard to get on the plane there though. But once you get to a port of entry, you’re fine.
      - NullPrefix 7y ago
        >as long as you can prove who you are How can you prove who you are without an ID? Biometrics? Is logging in to Facebook enough?
        Scoundreller 7y ago
        There’s probably formalized policies everywhere on that. Likely they can lookup your passport photos. Since denying entry to a citizen can be a constitutional violation in many places, they’ll have some criteria for the documentation actually required. Sending you back to the embassy will just move the problem elsewhere. Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen (e.g. you were born elsewhere but acquired a citizenship because you were born to a citizen without registering it in any way).
        buckminster 7y ago
        > Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen Perhaps because you successfully applied for British citizenship in the UK forty years ago but the government deleted all the records! Several instances of this came to light in the Windrush scandal a couple of years ago. The moral: if your citizenship is even slightly interesting you need to keep your passport current.
        7y ago
  - mcguire 7y ago
    According to the article, Turkey was unaware he was in the airplane.
- caymanjim 7y ago
  Indeed. Turkey has already arrested seven people who allegedly aided in the escape[1]. I expect Japan is also looking for accomplices. [1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/turkey-arrests-pilots-over-carlos-ghosn-s-flight-lebanon-n1109431 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/turkey-arrests-pilots-ove...
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  In many countries, entering illegally is not a crime, but a civil offense. It could also be that the Japanese were in on this: that they let him flee because they thought that the prosecution would have been seen as dubious, saving face in the process.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    And even where it’s criminal, the charges may not stick if you can show that you had no other choice. See: refugee migration.
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      That's a weird way to phrase it. It's like saying "theft is crime, but the charges may not stick if you show that you paid for the goods." "Not sticking" usually refers to a loophole or procedural error, not everyone doing the right thing.
- ryanlol 7y ago
  It’s really easy to get more passports. > breaking lots of laws in at least three countries Probably not. Crossing a border without your passport on you tends to be a pretty small offense.
  - glofish 7y ago
    Normally it should be a fine at most. Now crossing the border with no passport to escape another country's judiciary system is a whole different aggravating circumstance.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      That’s basically the definition of refugees seeking refuge and legally protected rather than aggravating.
      - ivan_gammel 7y ago
        That’s true, but if the refugee status is not confirmed later, it still can be qualified as a criminal offense (that’s the case in Germany and Russia, for example).
        Scoundreller 7y ago
        I figure most countries at that point focus on deportation rather than imprisonment. They’d probably be perfectly happy if you skipped out to another country while awaiting the process. And bail is likely if your record’s been clean while you’re awaiting the process (unless they found something they really didn’t like). I guess the only real consequence is if you tried to immigrate there later.
        ivan_gammel 7y ago
        Yes and no. Imprisonment costs money to the taxpayers, but it may also serve as deterrence. https://www.loc.gov/law/help/illegal-entry/chart.php?loclr=ealrr https://www.loc.gov/law/help/illegal-entry/chart.php?loclr=e...
- gruez 7y ago
  >Escaping state surveillance from Japan and then landing up in Lebanon via Turkey while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) Plausible non-illegal way: go to embassy, report passport lost/stolen, get a new one.
  - amdavidson 7y ago
    NAL, Likely still illegal as you would be misrepresenting that you surrendered your passport and it is not lost nor stolen
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      Iunno, if you gave it to someone and don’t know where it is, the mental gymnastics to check the “Lost” box isn’t too difficult. But I think they usually ask you to describe the circumstances of its loss.
      - lonelappde 7y ago
        I'm pretty sure the government who seized your passport won't look kindly upon you pretending you forgot you aren't allowed to have one.
        gruez 7y ago
        Only if you're caught. Considering that the only reason you'd even attempt this would be to escape, your only concern would be not being able to return.
- gumby 7y ago
  > Escaping state surveillance from Japan and then landing up in Lebanon via Turkey while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) I don't see at all how that follows. It's clear he broke the Japanese exit law (you have to show your passport to leave Japan by air, unlike, say, USA, France, Australia etc). Also he violated the terms of his house arrest. Likely some others. But while I'm hardly an expert in Turkish or Lebanese law, in most if not all countries immigration authorities have wide discretion to admit or deny people on whatever basis they wish. And while it's easy to imagine someone in Turkey taking a bribe, that could very well be an unfair belief: it's just as easy to imagine the current Turkish government being happy to poke a finger in Japan's eye in some minor and deniable fashion. As for Lebanon, someone who is a national celebrity could easily make prior arrangement to be admitted with no bribe needed.
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    He could have left Japan on a boat, but if not that then it was probably a private plane.
    - johnnycab 7y ago
      The fact that he absconded by private plane, was never in dispute. Excerpt from the article: The private jet on which he escaped reportedly landed in Istanbul first, prompting an investigation by Turkey.
      - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
        I somehow read that as not necessarily implying he started the first flight in Japan, but maybe that was it.
  - thatfrenchguy 7y ago
    > you have to show your passport to leave Japan by air, unlike, say, USA, France, Australia etc Nitpicking, but you do need to show your passport when exiting the Schengen Area (to which France is a part of)
- GCA10 7y ago
  We don't know the full extent of Ghosn's passport collection. I briefly had two working U.S. passports a while ago because of a processing glitch. It wouldn't surprise me if a real Player like Ghosn had double French passports and more, as a matter of course.
  - rwmj 7y ago
    In the UK you can legally hold two working passports. People do this when they need to travel to countries which mutually prevent you entering if you have a stamp from the other (Israel and some middle eastern countries being the common example).
    - chefkoch 7y ago
      Same in germany, also if you travel often one passport might be stuck in the visa application process for another trip.
    - skinkestek 7y ago
      Same in Norway according to my ex boss. He used to have two for exactly such a reason.
    - mcguire 7y ago
      The US as well, if I remember correctly. Can't find it on the State Dept. website at the moment.
      - outside1234 7y ago
        Yes - you have to have a valid reason for it and they will issue you a second passport of short (usually 2 year validity). Usually this valid reason boils down to having to submit your passport frequently for visas (eg. Brazil) such that it would impact your ability to travel internationally for other business.
  - lucbocahut 7y ago
    It is perfectly legal in France to have several passports at the same time. It is encouraged in fact for frequent travelers.
- baybal2 7y ago
  > while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) Man, I doubt anything of that was involved. People get paperless in and out of countries despite all of that security theatre every day. It's not a secret that private flight immigration and security is a joke.
mc32 7y ago
AFAIK Martha Stewart wasn’t found guilty of SEC violations but rather the specious “lying to the FBI”.
- CalChris 7y ago
  Also conspiracy and obstruction of an agency proceeding. She settled with the SEC on civil charges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart#Sentence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart#Sentence
  - mc32 7y ago
    At least some of that (the nebulous obstruction of agency proceeding) relies or stems from the “lying” part.
phonon 7y ago
Martha Stewart in fact did not do any type of illegal financial transaction. After the Fed's case fell apart (that even if what they alleged what happened was true, it was not prosecutable) they got her for "lying" to them when she voluntary met with them to explain her trades. Fun fact is that the expert witness they used to show she lied to them was later charged with perjury. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/07/weekinreview/ideas-trends-stewart-s-folly-there-s-a-reason-your-mother-told-you-not-to-lie.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/07/weekinreview/ideas-trends...
Kgergeq 7y ago
> Not particularly well informed on this This will help you understand everything about Ghosn case. "Debito.org’s stance on the Carlos Ghosn Case, at last: A boardroom coup making “thin legal soup” that might shame Japan’s “hostage justice” judicial system into reform" https://www.debito.org/?p=15548 https://www.debito.org/?p=15548

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

Escaping state surveillance from Japan and then landing up in Lebanon via Turkey while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) One could argue this was a rightful fleeing of persecution. But it complicates the picture on many levels. EDIT: looks like he kept a second French passport [1]. He would have only had to break many laws in two countries, mostly around aviation and declaration. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos-ghosn-met-lebanese-president-fleeing-japan-sources-say/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos...

gryson 7y ago
As reported in the news, he had two French passports and was allowed to carry one of them in Japan in a locked case. Presumably he broke the lock and used it to enter Turkey and Lebanon.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > As reported in the news Do you have a source for this? It would be unusual (and incompetent) for the Japanese to permit this.
  - gryson 7y ago
    "Ghosn carried second French passport with him after release from jail: source" in the Japan Times https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos-ghosn-met-lebanese-president-fleeing-japan-sources-say/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos...
- glofish 7y ago
  You shouldn't even need to show a passport to fly through a country's airport if you transit through. I wonder why the plane did not go directly to Lebanon - it is probably to avoid raising suspicion.
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > You shouldn't even need to show a passport to fly through a country's airport if you transit through There are all kinds of manifest declaration requirements that would need to be ignored.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - jen20 7y ago
    This is only true in some countries. It’s not in the USA for example, which requires that even connecting passengers clear the US border and customs at their point of entry.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      And Canada. They’ve finally started doing a better job of not requiring you to pickup your luggage while transiting only to drop it off another belt a minute later. But that’s not universal.
    - raverbashing 7y ago
      I think the US and Canada are the exceptions rather than the rule. (Because of course they charge people for a transit visa)
      - CPLX 7y ago
        It’s more likely that the “because” has to do with people claiming asylum. If you don’t require transit visas it becomes fairly trivial to get into the US and claim asylum while supposedly in transit to somewhere else.
- k_sze 7y ago
  I didn't know that a person can simultaneously have two valid passports of the same country. I thought you either have to declare the old one as lost or bring it to the passport office to have it invalidated, when you apply for a new one. How does this work?
  - gryson 7y ago
    Typically for business travel. If you have to send your passport off to get a visa from an embassy, you might still have to travel to another country while waiting to get it back, for example. https://www.businesstraveller.com/features/apply-second-uk-passport/ https://www.businesstraveller.com/features/apply-second-uk-p...
  - noirbot 7y ago
    I believe it's not too hard to do in some countries. It's usually to partition your travel history somewhat to avoid incidents. I know in the past, I'd heard that people in the US who had to do business in the middle east would often have two passports because there were enough countries that would take issue with you having visited Israel or Iran that you needed to keep them separate.
    - NullPrefix 7y ago
      Three or more countries can participate in a Mexican standoff. If you want to visit them all, you can't show the same passport twice. Is there a limit on how many passports you can have?
      - wongarsu 7y ago
        I don't think this has been an issue in the last century. Countries will take a stance on it if it actually happens.
  - wereHamster 7y ago
    People traveling through the middle east and Israel often have two passports. One they show the israeli immigration officers, and the other they show elsewhere. Israel will interrogate when you show up on their borders with an stamp in your passport from on of the arabic states. It's just a way to get around this kind of hassle.
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  As a Lebanese citizen, I believe that he only needed to show a Lebanese ID card to enter the country.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    Or nothing at all. Usually countries can’t deny entry by their own citizens, as long as you can prove who you are. They often do make it hard to get on the plane there though. But once you get to a port of entry, you’re fine.
    - NullPrefix 7y ago
      >as long as you can prove who you are How can you prove who you are without an ID? Biometrics? Is logging in to Facebook enough?
      - Scoundreller 7y ago
        There’s probably formalized policies everywhere on that. Likely they can lookup your passport photos. Since denying entry to a citizen can be a constitutional violation in many places, they’ll have some criteria for the documentation actually required. Sending you back to the embassy will just move the problem elsewhere. Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen (e.g. you were born elsewhere but acquired a citizenship because you were born to a citizen without registering it in any way).
        buckminster 7y ago
        > Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen Perhaps because you successfully applied for British citizenship in the UK forty years ago but the government deleted all the records! Several instances of this came to light in the Windrush scandal a couple of years ago. The moral: if your citizenship is even slightly interesting you need to keep your passport current.
        7y ago
- mcguire 7y ago
  According to the article, Turkey was unaware he was in the airplane.
caymanjim 7y ago
Indeed. Turkey has already arrested seven people who allegedly aided in the escape[1]. I expect Japan is also looking for accomplices. [1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/turkey-arrests-pilots-over-carlos-ghosn-s-flight-lebanon-n1109431 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/turkey-arrests-pilots-ove...
seanmcdirmid 7y ago
In many countries, entering illegally is not a crime, but a civil offense. It could also be that the Japanese were in on this: that they let him flee because they thought that the prosecution would have been seen as dubious, saving face in the process.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  And even where it’s criminal, the charges may not stick if you can show that you had no other choice. See: refugee migration.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    That's a weird way to phrase it. It's like saying "theft is crime, but the charges may not stick if you show that you paid for the goods." "Not sticking" usually refers to a loophole or procedural error, not everyone doing the right thing.
ryanlol 7y ago
It’s really easy to get more passports. > breaking lots of laws in at least three countries Probably not. Crossing a border without your passport on you tends to be a pretty small offense.
- glofish 7y ago
  Normally it should be a fine at most. Now crossing the border with no passport to escape another country's judiciary system is a whole different aggravating circumstance.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    That’s basically the definition of refugees seeking refuge and legally protected rather than aggravating.
    - ivan_gammel 7y ago
      That’s true, but if the refugee status is not confirmed later, it still can be qualified as a criminal offense (that’s the case in Germany and Russia, for example).
      - Scoundreller 7y ago
        I figure most countries at that point focus on deportation rather than imprisonment. They’d probably be perfectly happy if you skipped out to another country while awaiting the process. And bail is likely if your record’s been clean while you’re awaiting the process (unless they found something they really didn’t like). I guess the only real consequence is if you tried to immigrate there later.
        ivan_gammel 7y ago
        Yes and no. Imprisonment costs money to the taxpayers, but it may also serve as deterrence. https://www.loc.gov/law/help/illegal-entry/chart.php?loclr=ealrr https://www.loc.gov/law/help/illegal-entry/chart.php?loclr=e...
gruez 7y ago
>Escaping state surveillance from Japan and then landing up in Lebanon via Turkey while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) Plausible non-illegal way: go to embassy, report passport lost/stolen, get a new one.
- amdavidson 7y ago
  NAL, Likely still illegal as you would be misrepresenting that you surrendered your passport and it is not lost nor stolen
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    Iunno, if you gave it to someone and don’t know where it is, the mental gymnastics to check the “Lost” box isn’t too difficult. But I think they usually ask you to describe the circumstances of its loss.
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      I'm pretty sure the government who seized your passport won't look kindly upon you pretending you forgot you aren't allowed to have one.
      - gruez 7y ago
        Only if you're caught. Considering that the only reason you'd even attempt this would be to escape, your only concern would be not being able to return.
gumby 7y ago
> Escaping state surveillance from Japan and then landing up in Lebanon via Turkey while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) I don't see at all how that follows. It's clear he broke the Japanese exit law (you have to show your passport to leave Japan by air, unlike, say, USA, France, Australia etc). Also he violated the terms of his house arrest. Likely some others. But while I'm hardly an expert in Turkish or Lebanese law, in most if not all countries immigration authorities have wide discretion to admit or deny people on whatever basis they wish. And while it's easy to imagine someone in Turkey taking a bribe, that could very well be an unfair belief: it's just as easy to imagine the current Turkish government being happy to poke a finger in Japan's eye in some minor and deniable fashion. As for Lebanon, someone who is a national celebrity could easily make prior arrangement to be admitted with no bribe needed.
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  He could have left Japan on a boat, but if not that then it was probably a private plane.
  - johnnycab 7y ago
    The fact that he absconded by private plane, was never in dispute. Excerpt from the article: The private jet on which he escaped reportedly landed in Istanbul first, prompting an investigation by Turkey.
    - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
      I somehow read that as not necessarily implying he started the first flight in Japan, but maybe that was it.
- thatfrenchguy 7y ago
  > you have to show your passport to leave Japan by air, unlike, say, USA, France, Australia etc Nitpicking, but you do need to show your passport when exiting the Schengen Area (to which France is a part of)
GCA10 7y ago
We don't know the full extent of Ghosn's passport collection. I briefly had two working U.S. passports a while ago because of a processing glitch. It wouldn't surprise me if a real Player like Ghosn had double French passports and more, as a matter of course.
- rwmj 7y ago
  In the UK you can legally hold two working passports. People do this when they need to travel to countries which mutually prevent you entering if you have a stamp from the other (Israel and some middle eastern countries being the common example).
  - chefkoch 7y ago
    Same in germany, also if you travel often one passport might be stuck in the visa application process for another trip.
  - skinkestek 7y ago
    Same in Norway according to my ex boss. He used to have two for exactly such a reason.
  - mcguire 7y ago
    The US as well, if I remember correctly. Can't find it on the State Dept. website at the moment.
    - outside1234 7y ago
      Yes - you have to have a valid reason for it and they will issue you a second passport of short (usually 2 year validity). Usually this valid reason boils down to having to submit your passport frequently for visas (eg. Brazil) such that it would impact your ability to travel internationally for other business.
- lucbocahut 7y ago
  It is perfectly legal in France to have several passports at the same time. It is encouraged in fact for frequent travelers.
baybal2 7y ago
> while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) Man, I doubt anything of that was involved. People get paperless in and out of countries despite all of that security theatre every day. It's not a secret that private flight immigration and security is a joke.

mc32 7y ago

AFAIK Martha Stewart wasn’t found guilty of SEC violations but rather the specious “lying to the FBI”.

CalChris 7y ago
Also conspiracy and obstruction of an agency proceeding. She settled with the SEC on civil charges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart#Sentence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart#Sentence
- mc32 7y ago
  At least some of that (the nebulous obstruction of agency proceeding) relies or stems from the “lying” part.

phonon 7y ago

Martha Stewart in fact did not do any type of illegal financial transaction. After the Fed's case fell apart (that even if what they alleged what happened was true, it was not prosecutable) they got her for "lying" to them when she voluntary met with them to explain her trades. Fun fact is that the expert witness they used to show she lied to them was later charged with perjury. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/07/weekinreview/ideas-trends-stewart-s-folly-there-s-a-reason-your-mother-told-you-not-to-lie.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/07/weekinreview/ideas-trends...

Kgergeq 7y ago

> Not particularly well informed on this This will help you understand everything about Ghosn case. "Debito.org’s stance on the Carlos Ghosn Case, at last: A boardroom coup making “thin legal soup” that might shame Japan’s “hostage justice” judicial system into reform" https://www.debito.org/?p=15548 https://www.debito.org/?p=15548