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Nine-year-old child to graduate university

189 points by codegeek 7y ago

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jrowley 7y ago
I think the future of medicine is sympathetic engineers. It’s exciting to see this little guy go that route!
oonis 7y ago
I was actually one of those incredibly young kids to finish school, and this right here scares me. Nothing good came from the rush other than some local publicity for a few months. I think it crippled my chances long term social skills, and still going to therapy to try and catch up in any non-academic sense.
- toberej 7y ago
  Same, entered college at 14. My social skills were wack, was terrible at public speaking, very socially awkward. Was in my room playing Dota 2 for the first 2 years. I'm just finished up at 19 and I feel more mature and understand why so many universities didn't want to accept me at my age. However, I think it all worked out, as long as parents make provisions for social adjustment things can work out okay. I don't know about 9 though, seems tough, i literally could not imagine it because college was a lot more than just studying. Especially since I was in a cognitive science not like a hard STEM, lots of social interaction and open ended questions.
  - foobiekr 7y ago
    I went to university at 16. It was like a wonderful playground, so many subjects and areas and it was a great time. I ended up liking it so much, I spent 9 years there drifting to 300+ credits :-b I cannot imagine going at 14. That must have been pretty weird. At 16 I was fine and the biggest issue was the dating and (underage) drinking mismatch. For me going at 16 was an incredible relief. I was incredibly, incredibly bored and unchallenged in school until that point. I wish there wasn't such a stigma about it because I imagine there are lots of other people who had the same level of terrible frustration.
    - godelski 7y ago
      > I spent 9 years there drifting to 300+ credits This sounds expensive
      - text_exch 7y ago
        Sounds like he got a scholarship.
        commandlinefan 7y ago
        or three.
      - foobiekr 7y ago
        I supported my educational habits working as a network and system administrator. That route is now screwed by universities outsourcing these tasks. There's a HN posting in why there is such a dearth of technical support hires in the modern era and it starts with killing the pipeline and ends with eviscerating the entire career in the outsourcing binge of the early 2000s...
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  I wasn't incredibly young, but I had completed a two-year degree by the time I was 16. It hasn't benefited me in any way - if anything, it might have hurt me a bit since my grades might have been (might...) a bit higher if I'd just gone to high school and started college at 18 like everybody else.
  - shantly 7y ago
    I'm not even that smart—tested into gifted programs by the skin of my teeth—and I'm just about certain I could have completed a 2-year degree in some mid-difficulty subject area by no later than 18—maybe as young as 16—if I'd found a way to get my GED over a Summer or something else that'd mark me as "college ready", applied, and been accepted to a community college. I didn't try to do it because I didn't understand the relative difficulty of high school and (your average non-elite) college, at the time, though. High school eats so much time that college ended up feeling much easier, and the course work for subject areas outside the harder end of STEM wasn't a bit tougher than that of high school (the dividing line is essentially "is any of the math required more difficult than Calc 1?"). I wasn't expecting the first couple years of a 4-year degree to often fail to go past material we'd covered in 8th grade (looking at you, Psych. 101 requirement). I just expected it to be much harder than it actually was, since I gathered that's how it's supposed to be.
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- surewhynat 7y ago
  Like anything else, social skills just takes practice. A lot of practice. I've read probably over a hundred books on self-help, sales, influence, social skills of all sorts. Ultimately the conclusion is that meeting people and socializing can be scary, but, it's an irrational fear it gets better and easier with practice. It's less about being right or saying the right thing all the time, and more about having a quick reaction to what to say and connect with people on an emotional level. It is all about practice. If you work at a company that has a sales team and you ever wonder how they're so good at being witty, funny, or being liked, just remember that it took them a lot of practice. They're probably on the phone all day long, and I can guarantee you that for most of them it was really hard at first too. Eventually you just get better with people because your brain will adapt, so just put yourself out there.
  - tw04 7y ago
    I think you're grossly underestimating the nuances of human interaction that are developed from ages 2-10. I can tell you first hand watching a friends kid who was home schooled trying to interact with his public school peers that they are like a fish out of water. To suggest as an adult you just need "dive in" to figure out social cue's is... unfairly simplified. Can you potentially figure it out over a long period of time if you happen to hook up with some folks that are very understanding and tolerant of "odd" behavior? Sure... but you're talking years and years and years of interaction to recoup those lost social skills.
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    - invalidOrTaken 7y ago
      "It's easy, just use genetic programming." Not so easy for the one under selection!
  - Invictus0 7y ago
    Yes, literally years of practice that Laurent is completely missing out on. Even with all those years of practice, lots of people come out of school unable to socialize properly.
- rf15 7y ago
  Thanks for speaking out.
- LeftHandPath 7y ago
  I'm not on quite the same level, but I was definitely quick enough to skip a few grades. Thankfully my parent's didn't let me - I wanted to at the time, but to be honest, the importance of social wellness is drastically understated by academic community. Humans are animals, and social animals at that. If we don't give our brains social release, we're going to struggle.
  - hkmurakami 7y ago
    I suppose that the tradeoff here is that the child is bored in class right? Curious how you handled the lack of academic challenge given that you were the one who wanted to proactively move up (vs Parents wanting to move their kid up)
    - ACow_Adonis 7y ago
      Anecdote: I took responsibility for my own education. And by that I mean quite literally I had the epiphany that I was ahead of my peers/some teachers when I entered high school (i remember it was the first time I realised they were ranking us and that we were supposed to be competing for grades... hadn't received any/paid attention to them until then), and so made a vow (child's/ adolescent minds are funny like that) that i would do whatever it takes to learn the truth about things irrespective of this social system/mandate to keep going to school. Its worked out for me in the long run, but that's partly because I'm deeply interested in the social sciences and so was spending so much time thinking about how these strange humans act and what I can do to learn from their behaviour (still do and always will feel like an alien/man trapped in an asylum though). At the time though, it resulted in all kinds of social problems. I just stopped doing some assignments + homework. I failed math, then simultaneously topped the grade on the national standardised test they made us take, resulting in a meeting with the school/my parents. I called the math teacher stupid, thinking the adults would listen/care to listen to my words. I was accused of plagiarism in one of my English classes and received a failing grade for that until another meeting: the evidence? Just a general feeling that it was 'too good for someone like me, so someone else must have written it'. I got on fine enough with my peers, it was largely the irrational adult world I couldn't understand at the time. They tried putting me in gifted programs occasionally, but I viewed (accurately imo) that the children in them were social climbers rather than gifted/smart, so I didn't get along with the other kids in them at all (not as in hostile, as in I just found them incredibly boring people and the entire experience incredibly boring). In summary, I continued to have social problems and continued this pattern of non attendance, non completion, failure, and randomly top out some metric. I made it to university where I was promised it would be more intellectual: it wasn't, and my perception there was that it was even more authoritarian/social and about parroting back what the lecturers wanted to hear and doing the admin dance rather than actual intellectual inquiry. I had some good lecturers, but some of the were on another planet of dumb (mainly due to the specialisation heirachy of the university system: even today the idea that you could have knowledge/expertise from more than one field hurts brains). I eventually graduated with a similar pattern of grades, but stopped attending any lectures by the end of it and regularly handed in my assignments late (due, fundamentally, to the mental drudgery of doing them and the absolute inanity of the questions/formats). My actual goal was a success though: I spent huge amounts of my spare time reading/ studying/discussing things of my own volition, and all I can say is thank GOD I was born just in time for the internet to arrive as I hit adolescence or I think that would have been the end of me. I consider myself learned, mature and happy now. I have a family, and, currently, a job where people listen to me (and outside of silicon valley, a wage considered high, plus I live exactly where I want with access to learning materials still). It left me deeply distrustful of formal education systems and social institutions (I think justifiably/accurately). Someone without my ability to learn/observe/pick up on social cues would have been chewed up and spat out though once they reached the real world assuming dad isn't giving them a job, and I would say it's been far from smooth sailing even for me (80% of my life is still pretending I'm 'dumber' than I really am, even though I'm now partly looked up to as an authority in my line of work, and smiling/trying to get along with everyone and the social system). Protip for those following after: 80% of human social interaction is comprised of recognising who has authority/status, smiling, and avoiding open conflict :p everything also makes a lot more sense when you realise truth doesn't rate as an ongoing concern in most human's lives (but being viewed as 'socially correct' is extremely important).
- duxup 7y ago
  Socialization is an education too and it takes as long as real education or longer. I can't imagine isolating a child like that at a university. It's not the same socialization as with your peers that kids need.
- hrdwdmrbl 7y ago
  From the video and article it doesn't seem like the kid is being rushed. The parents said that they're just "going with the flow" and "it's just who he is". It really seems like they're trying to do what's best for the kid and give him a balanced life. Maybe I'm just an optimist.
- lostmsu 7y ago
  > still going to therapy to try and catch up in any non-academic sense Sorry for asking, but what problems exactly do you have in non-academic sense?
- arbitrary_name 7y ago
  I took a job in sales (commission based, fail and starve) just to force myself to socialize better. Short term - very very hungry. Long term - a far more effective and well-integrated member of society.
dghughes 7y ago
It's funny a deleted comment asked if geniuses ever achieve anything. My cousin is supposedly a genius (siblings all have doctorates) yet works in a laundromat. I saw an article where one genius kid years ago was asked what he wanted to be when he grew up, he said a gameshow host.
- delecti 7y ago
  I wonder if it's like the gene for sickle cell. Two copies of it are bad (sickle cell anemia), but one copy of the gene can protect against malaria. A bit of genius can be incredibly helpful, but too much can make it difficult to relate to other people.
- adnzzzzZ 7y ago
  There are two traits that most predict performance in life: IQ and conscientiousness. "Genius", as most people refer to the word, essentially means high IQ. But IQ has no correlation whatsoever to conscientiousness, so you can be someone with extremely high IQ but extremely low conscientiousness. If you have low conscientiousness you're going to be someone who isn't particularly disciplined, hard-working, organized, reliable, etc. So you can get these situations where there are geniuses who achieve nothing because they lack conscientiousness. Most people who end up achieving a lot tend to be high in both traits. And of course, conscientiousness isn't fixed. You can improve it through various means. Although if you're extremely low in it in my view you're likely not going to be able to improve such that you can become the most conscientious person out of 100, for instance.
  - crooked-v 7y ago
    It's worth noting that IQ also isn't fixed, as it can be noticeably affected by wealth, nutrition, family stability, etc, over time.
- that_jojo 7y ago
  People rarely consider the fact that just because someone is born to be a genius doesn't mean that they'll want to grow up to be an academic. I was born reasonably smart-ish. Did okay in school, have a good job writing code because I have an aptitude for it. But if I had a big dream, it would be in entertainment.
fenwick67 7y ago
Would love to see a breakdown of how you do this from a bureaucracy perspective.
pupppet 7y ago
Yeah let's rush this kid into the workforce, who needs social skills anyway.
djohnston 7y ago
What ever happens to these kids? I read these articles once every few years, and then .. Does the beurocracy of academia swallow them whole or is their work no longer interesting once they hit 18? Or do they become average academics?
- gadders 7y ago
  Here's one example that I remember from my childhood as she is the same age as me: "Ruth Elke Lawrence-Neimark (Hebrew: רות אלקה לורנס-נאימרק‎, born 2 August 1971) is a British–Israeli mathematician and an associate professor of mathematics at the Einstein Institute of Mathematics, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and a researcher in knot theory and algebraic topology." "In 1981 Lawrence passed the Oxford University entrance examination in mathematics, joining St Hugh's College in 1983 at the age of twelve." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence
- chabons 7y ago
  You probably only ever hear of the success stories. I can think of Terry Tao, John von Neumann, and Erik Demaine off the top of my head, not because they were prodigies, but because they have gained enough name recognition that I Google'd them and learned of their early education. Even if the rest had very interesting research, you wouldn't hear about them outside of their chosen field unless they reached superstar status.
  - pmoriarty 7y ago
    Norbert Wiener[1], founder of cybernetics, was another famous prodigy: "After graduating from Ayer High School in 1906 at 11 years of age, Wiener entered Tufts College. He was awarded a BA in mathematics in 1909 at the age of 14, whereupon he began graduate studies of zoology at Harvard. In 1910 he transferred to Cornell to study philosophy. He graduated in 1911 at 17 years of age." There are also, of course, many, many more musical and chess prodigies, for example... Mozart probably being the most famous of them all. Curiously, there don't seem to be any significant prodigy novelists or poets. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener
rb808 7y ago
I'm more interested in important stuff like if he can ride a bike or has any friends.
oneepic 7y ago
I read TFA, I know he's planning on grad school, but it's funny to imagine him taking a break and going into the workforce 9 years later at 18 years old: <Company A> Hiring manager: checks resume This guy graduated back in 2019 and hasn't had a job since? Nope, no way. I'm not interested. Probably some lazy kid again. <Company B> Interviewer: So I saw you graduated in 2019? What jobs have you had since then? Any personal projects? Kid: (incredulous)
- LegitShady 7y ago
  "puberty"
- swiley 7y ago
  Yeah it’s weird how easy it is to really screw yourself by doing things out of the ordinary.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
    At the age of 9 with a bachelor's, I can totally see taking this kid on as an intern where we work. We can't exactly pay him, but I'll cut a check to his parents.
    - rpmisms 7y ago
      You can pay his parents' LLC, who can then legally pay him in most states. I did a LOT of contracting under 18 through my dad's LLC.
t17yog 7y ago
Back in my day, I have graduated with M.Sc. at age of 17. Eleven years later, still my country's record. Ask me anything about later life of child prodigies etc.
- in_hindsight 7y ago
  Can you say that you are ahead of your current peers in terms of learning capacity / knowledge? Can you still learn new subjects / fields ?
- jl6 7y ago
  Are you happy? Do you have rewarding work? Do you think your early degree came at the cost of something else? If given the chance would you do it again?
  - t17yog 7y ago
    I'm happy. My work is fairly rewarding, though I have some small regrets I wasn't able to pursue an academic career. I don't regret doing this. I was a super-fast learner, and I don't think I would be able to bear a full-length school+university circuit.
- jeswin 7y ago
  Apart from inherent intellectual horsepower, what else during your formative years could have played a role in you being able to learn faster?
  - t17yog 7y ago
    Incredible amount of support from my parents through all childhood years definitely played a part. Also, since my baby years, I've always had a lot of learning stimuli - books, computers, extracurriculars etc. Although our family was fairly poor, me having access to knowledge always has been a #1 spending priority.
- mattmar96 7y ago
  What advice would you give to a teenager attempting a similar feat?
ngngngng 7y ago
Would this be more common if more parents were aware it was a possibility? At this risk of sounding arrogant, I'm fairly certain I could have kept up with at least the average college student by the time I was 12 or 13. Can you even enroll in university without a high school diploma? I certainly might have if I had heard more stories like this.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >Would this be more common if more parents were aware it was a possibility? It should get less common, if more parents understand the developmental and psychological damage to the child.
  - rootusrootus 7y ago
    Yeah I should hope so. If you spend some time around kids you notice that while there are a lot of average kids, there is no shortage of really bright ones that could totally be learning more than they are learning at a regular school. Mostly we don't kick them up to a higher grade, because it never really works out for the best. Probably because you forget most of the details of what you learn anyway unless it's a basic life skill or part of your career. What you get out of school is social experience and how to learn.
    - vkou 7y ago
      > What you get out of school is social experience and how to learn. My social experience in middle school was horrific, and school in general tried its best to beat any interest in learning out of me. If those are the stated goals of school, most of them do a piss-poor job at meeting them.
      - coldtea 7y ago
        The "horrific" part is also a preparation for adult life, which is not just roses and kind people. So that's part of the "social experience". Someone home schooled, especially if kept from friends too, would have a much bigger problem understanding adult life.
jangid 7y ago
On the contrary, there is another school of thought which says that the people who started going to school late in life are much more resilient to difficult situations in life. When I look at earlier generation (I am 77 born), I notice that they are happier than others in tough times. And the generation younger than me feels irritated when the elders ask them to take it easy or ask them to ignore some comments etc. The academic competition is taking lives out of people.
- pram 7y ago
  What are you even responding to?
raphlinus 7y ago
I started college at 9. Didn't actually graduate at the time, basically started doing computer projects on my own, then went back to school at 22 in the PhD program at Berkeley. I haven't made a huge deal about this, but am more open to talking about it now, especially if the experience helps other people. Feel free to AMA.
- chelmzy 7y ago
  How did you manage to attend college at age 9? Was it your parents/home schooling?
  - raphlinus 7y ago
    Short answer, yes. I was accelerated in the local high school, but that didn't work out for a number of reasons. So basically my dad decided I should take classes at the nearby college. It was unusual at the time and place, but he had quite a forceful personality.
- glaive123 7y ago
  Are you successful financially or has your academic achievement translated into career achievement?
  - raphlinus 7y ago
    I have had a very rewarding and fulfilling career, and am gratified that I'm now able to pursue the things that interest me most: tools for font design, high performance 2D graphics, Rust GUI. A lot of this is connected to the things I was interested in as a teenager.
- theparanoid 7y ago
  How did it affect you romantically?
  - raphlinus 7y ago
    Did I say AMA above? I should have probably qualified that... But I'll say this. I was very socially awkward as a kid and teenager. I dated some as an older teenager, but didn't feel quite comfortable until I got to grad school (at 22). Then I fell in with a peer group, got a really good friend group (who I still keep in touch with), dated and got married, had two kids, now divorced. So it's definitely part of my story, but my experience now is probably not all that different than most of my friends.
stemsux 7y ago
This just exposes how simple STEM degrees really are. No one is going to finish a bachelors in literature at age 9.
- WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
  Of course they won't. Bachelors in Literature means you want to be a barista.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  There is no inherent value to complexity.
- oneepic 7y ago
  Did you make this account just to make this post?
einpoklum 7y ago
Good on him. But - there's always the question of how much of what he's doing is his own individual will, and how much the result of his parents' influence. Now, of course the former is naturally influenced by the latter, and people can certainly end up pursuing what their parents has hoped, but it can be very difficult emotionally if you "wake up" one day and notice your entire life is invested in some course of progress you're not even sure you really want. Doubly difficult if you get stuck or fail at something, and need to have a strong emotional support for your sense of self-worth and purpose to fall back on. (This is partially from my own experience, although it's nothing like in the story.)
nullbyte 7y ago
But Lydia (the mother) has her own theory. "I ate a lot of fish during the pregnancy" New meta boys. Eat fish for an ez bachelors degree.
- oneepic 7y ago
  And put your kid in swimming lessons ASAP for good measure.
lacker 7y ago
When I was a kid I knew a lot of other kids in some sort of "advanced math" track. I was going to math camps, attending the international math olympiad, that sort of thing, so I met a lot of others in a similar situation. One kid was enrolled in college at 13, and some others were in a similar situation. Whereas another cohort of kids basically just cruised through or skipped their high school math classes, learned advanced math quasi-independently in parallel, and stayed socially integrated with their classmates. I don't know so much about electrical engineering, which is the subject in this article. But for mathematics, I don't think it's a great idea to advance to college super early. One big problem with the plan, which a lot of people don't realize, is that your typical university math degree isn't that much more challenging than doing well in high school math. The people who went, for example, to Ohio State University while they were young, and took their undergrad math classes, generally didn't describe them as very intellectually interesting. You also just miss the social interactions of having a peer group near your own age. But I think those are more apparent to people. The problem is that you think you're exchanging some social interaction for a great intellectual experience, and then you don't even really get a great intellectual experience. My recommendation to kids who are great at math and thinking about taking college classes is, don't. If the math classes at your high school are too easy, ask your teachers if you can skip straight to the AP exam. In my experience, teachers who are hesitant to break the rules of the system are more willing to believe the "proof" of an AP exam, and a smart kid can ace an AP exam in a subject they know nothing about with a little bit of cramming. It's better to wait and go to a top-tier school rather than to start college super early at a medium-tier school. For math specifically, you can usually just start taking graduate math courses during your freshman year at university. That way, you get the intellectual stimulation of grad school, but the social stimulation of an undergrad program. And if you change your mind and decide you want a career in something other than mathematics, you have plenty of time.
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  I was a pretty mediocre student in high school (as in, I didn’t get into Duke, people like you would consider me a failure etc), what would you say was the biggest difference between the precocious crowd you describe and everyone else? Do you think it’d just inherent? I did community college in high school so I’d say it’s better to eliminate the “boring” general ed classes first but that’s just my experience.
oldspleen 7y ago
This kid will fulfill the job requirements! 10 years of work experience at the age of 25 haha
jandrewrogers 7y ago
I was one of these children. In hindsight, I think it damages your development in many ways to the detriment of long-term outcomes. The unfortunate environment and instability of my childhood living situation, which ultimately derailed the "child prodigy" track, may have put me in a better position to actualize my abilities despite the obvious negatives at the time. I knew a couple other kids like me that stayed on that track, none had great outcomes. The intense focus on academic learning does very little to prepare you for being a productive human out in the real world, which is tacitly a part of the environment normal kids grow up in. That many of these kids are dropped into the real world even earlier than their age peers due to accelerated schooling just compounds this. One the upside, one elementary school that had no idea how to teach me sat me in front of a computer and left me to my own devices. So I taught myself to program.
- d-d 7y ago
  It's tragic how being an outlier in kicks all these other processes into action that tend to remove the person even further from society.
rowanG077 7y ago
I'm from the Netherlands and this story is not entirely true. This kid has been given a highly customized program where he didn't have to complete massive amounts of coursework that normal students have to complete. While I find it nice that a university provides this opportunity at the same time I also find it a largely unfair to other bachelor students that have to go along with the normal long program. It's a 3 year program that I believe the average student could do in at least half the time if they where give the same freedoms this boy has been given.
- markus92 7y ago
  As someone who actually got the same degree at the same University as thd kid, I can confirm this is true. The amount of coursework he skipped is relatively high (every group project, some mandatory non-engineering subjects, at least totalling to 45 ECTS on top of my head) and the freedom he got when doing courses is unprecedented: no mandatory attendance and only oral examinations. A 14 year old girl started the same program around 2006, she did do the full, regular coursework.
ourmandave 7y ago
The default payment schedule on student loans is 10 years. Is her's adjusted to 20 years?
scarejunba 7y ago
Ha, I wonder if everyone was talking about how Terence Tao would be irredeemably damaged psychologically for finishing college at 16. Well, it certainly looks like he's doing well. I wish this kid the best.
calvinbhai 7y ago
I'm so glad his parents are focussing on ensuring he gets to be a child. degrees can be done later. not Childhood.
0x0aff374668 7y ago
I speak to nine year old relatives: they are barely articulate simians. What is it like talking to a 9 year old who has completed a 4-year EE degree? Can you walk up to the kid and say, "Hey, solve this bridge/op-amp circuit's transfer function?" or ask a humanities question, "What are the ethical dilemmas inherent in an open discussion forum?" I guess this is what it feels like to be a young-earth creationist: I simply cannot wrap my head around a 9-year old being able to answer these question, so like a creationist I choose to believe it is a fake.
- birdyrooster 7y ago
  It illuminates how small the achievement of a bachelors degree is.
  - quacked 7y ago
    Ah, the lone voice of reason!
  - Alupis 7y ago
    What's more likely to be going on here is nobody wanted to stand in the way of this kid with all the external pressure to keep pushing the narrative along. Nobody wanted to be the person holding everything up by insisting the submitted paper on Prison Inmate Rehabilitation Programs was very surface level and lacked deep reflection and thoughtfulness. There's just no way a 9 year old can handle serious research papers or form complex arguments about social and global issues. Two things common in most university general education programs. Can a 9 year old be good at something specific? Sure... but I'd put my money on this kid was pushed through for the narrative and not for the actual coursework.
- thetrumanshow 7y ago
  >> I guess this is what it feels like to be a young-earth creationist: I simply cannot wrap my head around... You think you're picking on an easy target there, but if you talked to some, you might actually find a few that will talk about young-earth creationism in the context of something interesting like Einsteins theories of gravitational time dilation. Had an engineering professor like this. Call it cognitive dissonance or not, but it seems pretty normal to be able to hold two concepts in one's head, even ones that seem to conflict... with the hopes of one day reconciling them.
dogprez 7y ago
You may find it interesting that in Finland academics doesn't start until age 7. They emphasize play / arts in preschool and by age 15 outperform most countries. What has this child lost by encouraging academic pursuits at such a young age? Will they ever recover, and what was at risk by having them wait a few years? source: https://www.npr.org/2014/03/08/287255411/what-the-u-s-can-learn-from-finland-where-school-starts-at-age-7 https://www.npr.org/2014/03/08/287255411/what-the-u-s-can-le...
INTPenis 7y ago
I once visited some friends in Brussels who worked for the EU parliament. Not in a political capacity. While there I found out about children as young as 9 or 10 who already speak several european languages. It's really interesting to see what growing up in the political capitol of europe among children to diplomats can do to a kid.
- hybrids 7y ago
  It has been well-documented that kids generally pick up languages much faster than adults.
- lordnacho 7y ago
  I suspect this is orders of magnitude more common than kids graduating university at 9. For instance everyone in my extended family speaks 3 languages at least, some 4, due to historical circumstances. It's simply a question of exposure. If you go to Fribourg in Switzerland there's a whole area where people speak both French, Swiss German, and High German. And these days English as well. The rest of the Swiss at least learn several languages in school, though perhaps not using them constantly.
Gusen 7y ago
Audio of our President demanding a $4 billion dollar bribe from child rapists to “take a blind eye” on January 3, 2019. Trump becomes one on January 14, 2019. Also, here is the big reason the major networks do not report any of it. //Download the video, turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on. Note: there is not much to see in the video, the audio is picked up from another [illegal surveillance] system. Trump is on a call from with Henry Porter and Gigi Hadid. See page 63. Bribe demand at 10:18am: 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... //President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, rapes and kills his first boy at 6:32am. Video link below: 14JanCh3_600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/154QvA5hwyHGYIVXtod1ZbsOHFUJNbqZW/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/154QvA5hwyHGYIVXtod1ZbsOHFUJ... 14JanCh2_600-700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/19UkqmnMwZiWy7xxWngltqwoKLTJL-IZ_/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/19UkqmnMwZiWy7xxWngltqwoKLTJ... //On January 18, 2019 at 8:31am (see page 8) Trump acknowledges the four billion dollar bribe and says: "Let's get it done and get to fucking some kids." Video link below: 18JanCh3_725-.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bVTcGq5Z9oOSAiOQcKYrmuK4TwoNmY1h/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bVTcGq5Z9oOSAiOQcKYrmuK4Two... //A big reason this has not been reported by the major news networks is right here. Lester Holt of NBC Nightly News, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo on January 14th, 2019 at 5:00am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00am. Muir starts around 5:15am, then Holt about 5:38am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp & Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS & Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... //This is the tip of the iceberg. //Full 88 page PDF [updated 12Nov]: FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... //This post will be censored when this account logs off, the posts are "shadow banned". They try to make it look like the post is live, but it is not. Here is an example. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJedYKz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJ... \\@Video of the Buffalo Police illegally seizing my apartment at 307 Summer Street without a warrant on behalf of child rapist Henry M. Porter on January 18, 2019. The day before, BPD Chief Lockwood and US Attorney for WNY Kennedy rape boys for Porter. Trump on 10Jan demands $138 million for smooth outcome ( Full audio of it here. \\Video links below. See pages 7-10 of the PDF below for more... 18JanCh4_KnockToEnd.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N2mozGdPD7HMWELjRhvIZ94eBLjXEAVX/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N2mozGdPD7HMWELjRhvIZ94eBLj... Yes, it is the Buffalo Police. View from Ch3: NVR@ch3@main.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JNMZn6JxYTCBULkC58AQtXa75hzjPVlr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JNMZn6JxYTCBULkC58AQtXa75hz... Transcript of the event: https://drive.google.com/file/d/192B7tZa3b23Ab0UkSLGqNuLBUrDqOaAr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/192B7tZa3b23Ab0UkSLGqNuLBUrD... \\The (early) morning before, Henry Porter insists Buffalo Police Commissioner Byron Lockwood, and US Attorney for the Western New York region James Kennedy, and FBI Supervisory Special Agent Andrew Abromowitz among others, rape and kill boys to confirm their membership in the “Illuminati”. Download the video, turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on. Note: there is not much to see in the video, the audio is picked up from another [illegal surveillance] system. Buffalo Police Commissioner Byron Lockwood rapes and kills boys starting 3:25am. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy starts right after at about 3:31am. Both rape multiple boys to death on January 17, 2019. Erie County Social Services Special Invesigator Keith Pelky rapes four boys to death starting about 2:45am. FBI supervisory special agent Andrew Abromowitz at 2:53am onward. WGRZ Channel 2 News in Buffalo lead anchor Scott Levin begins about 3:00am. 17JanCh3_200-300.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uzXPvnyDz_tm25MbeW5oKseH-jrckFsS/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uzXPvnyDz_tm25MbeW5oKseH-jr... 17JanCh3_300-445.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gTDU4Eris8a3QO1llI3gCRmr11zrSdjk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gTDU4Eris8a3QO1llI3gCRmr11z... 17JanCh4_230-430.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZoJNJwlTRlDf2PD-IV5jTAqnYPEWjFnC/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZoJNJwlTRlDf2PD-IV5jTAqnYPE... Erie County Commissioner of Social Services Marie Cannon, “preps” boys for rape by these men @2:53am. This means she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and subsequently murdered. These acts expected of female (full) members of the Illuminati. Elisha Burkart and her sister Gelisa join Marie in the duties here. \\Back on January 10, 2019, Porter enlisted the support of his paid off politicians, including the President of the United States, in a show of force to make an example of this tenant who went against his wishes. The Buffalo City Court clerks were paid and instructed to simply enter a judgment into the court system, thus bypassing the tenant's fifth amendment rights while the President is observing this happen. Trump requests a $138 million dollar bribe for a golf course to "ensure a smooth outcome". Excerpts of the dialogue and full audio below. Again, Download the video, turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on. Note: there is not much to see in the video, the audio is picked up from another [illegal surveillance] system. See page 47 in the PDF, which can be downloaded below. 10JanCh3_951-1033.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30mlw9INp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30ml... 10JanCh2_1000-1033.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RyFLV_MOYTe2LCl2Q9hT5T3_9ZJH4qvd/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RyFLV_MOYTe2LCl2Q9hT5T3_9ZJ... Excerpts of the dialogue: 1000 Kamala Harris - Matthew Porter: "Are you interested in participating?" Harris: "You'll have to speak with Senator Pelosi." MPorter: "We have. We're paying you $3 billion dollars. " Harris: "Ok count me in." 1004 Barack Obama - Matthew Porter: "...this guy was basically a bartender and doesn't know how things really work. We're gonna show him." Obama: "Well you already have me covered let me know what you need..." 1003 Donald Trump - Wants $138 million for a golf course at [Mar-a-Lago?] to ensure this goes smoothly. "Schlenker is gone...I believe everyone will be ok, that motherfucker has to go." 1004 Corey Hogan - "Outrageous this guy wants another $138 million...we already gave him $4 billion" viewer comments: "I cannot believe Trump is here....he just acknowledged the [falsified] judgment..." "...Trump is giving Henry advice how to get around the judgment..." 1007 Andrew Cuomo: "Am I confident we could do this without the President involved? Absolutely not." 1007 MPorter: "It's embarrassing but we need the President in case he [Brian Schlenker] catches on it would go all the way to the Supreme Court." 1007 Michinewski(sp?): "This shit is getting too stupid to believe." Note: this is BPD3 from 18Jan. 1010 MPorter: "Kamala how many people do you think are with us [on this]?" Harris: "I don't know how many are on here?" MPorter: "About 350,000...we've had as much as 3 million...when Brian got the [petition] off the door 350,000 watched and 3 million logged on to see what happened." 1014 Matthew Porter comments the judgment has now been entered into the system... These events were excerpts from this 88 page PDF . It keeps getting censored, but with enough public awareness, they will eventually have to face justice. Please help get this around [updated 12Nov]: FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... \\This post will be censored/removed is when this account logs off. Posts are "shadow banned". They try to make it look like the post is live, but it is not. Here is an example. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJedYKz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJ...
i4t 7y ago
Wow, HN is flooded with geniuses. I'm not surprised.
- whamlastxmas 7y ago
  I take a small pleasure in knowing smart people read my sometimes banal comments
rpmisms 7y ago
If this was normalized, nobody would be panicking about the social ramifications. Put him into a normal middle and high school. Let his brain atrophy. Such is the price we pay. I'm still a teenager, but I'm in the workforce, but I try to maintain some level of "kid-ness". I still do stupid stuff with my friends, and make out in parking lots. Both are possible, and if this guy is determined, he can skip a lot of the boring parts of life and get to the good stuff.
spandrew 7y ago
What's the rush? You'll just get to the end game and have no one else to play with, and probably frustrated with the lack of suitable raid members.
BrandoElFollito 7y ago
My son at the age of 8 got diagnosed high precocity. He was showing the intellectual capacities of a 16 yo. Everyone was suggesting us to skip two or three classes and keep skipping them. I refused and kept him in his normal track because he was emotionally a 8 yo kid,who spittle play with other children, who silly things and learn to be social. I let him read a lot, he was interested in science so we were discussing these subjects a lot etc. He is now 16, happy, doing silly things with his peers and otherwise attending the 3rd high school in the country (being average+ there). I am everyday so happy with our choice.
- thewizardofaus 7y ago
  Excellent parenting. Kids need to be kids; no matter how intelligent :)
louwrentius 7y ago
I really wish all the best upon this boy, but I wonder what becomes of these gifted people. From time to time, we see articles like this of a gifted children. And then we never hear from them ever again. It seems to me that having a gift is not synonymous with being (moderately) successful. Am I totally biased, wrong on this notion?
- Finch2192 7y ago
  I have the same notions about such cases. Can anyone think of child prodigies that went on to do notable things? (not including the unabomber)
  - spieglt 7y ago
    Just read this today: https://medium.com/cantors-paradise/the-unparalleled-genius-of-john-von-neumann-791bb9f42a2d https://medium.com/cantors-paradise/the-unparalleled-genius-...
- arandr0x 7y ago
  1. being successful and famous are not the same thing 2. being famous at an early age is probably correlated with wanting to be as far away from the public eye as possible as an adult, if any other options are there. But also, I was in one of those articles (a long time ago and am now an Old in internet time), so AMA, I guess.
- elcomet 7y ago
  I can think of Terry Tao which was mentioned today in another thread. He was a child genius and is now a world famous mathematician.
  - louwrentius 7y ago
    One? Just one?
- TrackerFF 7y ago
  Terry Tao turned out well - but he's just one of many. I know one guy that finished his Bsc in math by age 17, and got accepted to Cambridge - he's a rich fund manager today. Didn't really contribute to science, but interests change with time.
munmaek 7y ago
As someone who went to college early (some community college classes at 14, then university at 16), and was partially homeschooled (freshman-junior year), I wouldn't recommend this. Socializing is huge. I really cannot emphasize enough how important it is, especially for younger kids. If you're really smart or gifted in a subject, there are multiple other avenues to take that still let you hang out with peers around your age.
- lordnacho 7y ago
  I'm not sure anything is stopping him from going back to normal school to socialize while studying the non-STEM subjects that everyone needs to do anyway? He could hang out with friends while doing that.
  - pyrale 7y ago
    In order to get such early academic performance, the child has probably been trained very hard into enjoying corpus learning. This makes it less likely for them to enjoy moving to a place where this topic is nonexistent. Or, to say it in ML terms, it would be very surprising for this child to be trained so fast without overfitting.
- javagram 7y ago
  Sports or clubs (Scouts, etc) are a better way to hang around with peer kids than school classes, IMO. I transitioned from homeschool to public school at one point during my childhood and I think I was actually much more socialized in homeschool where I was in sports, Scouts, intentional play dates, etc. that my parents were doing to avoid the socialization problem. Whereas once you’re put in public school it’s simply assumed you will be somehow “socialized” (in reality socialization in school often takes the form of bullying, especially if you’re clearly different from peers in some way like intelligence, or you can end up just not having friends)
  - ianmobbs 7y ago
    This seems like a very personal take. Most kids I knew in school were also involved with sports and clubs, it wasn't just assumed they'd get enough socialization in school. I also doubt that socialization "often" takes the form of bullying, and while there's no doubt that bullying is a problem, it's certainly not the primary experience most people have in school.
agumonkey 7y ago
I knew how to read at 5
steven741 7y ago
> However, unlike most 9-year-olds, he has already worked out what he wants to do with his life: develop artificial organs. It always worries me to see news like this. I really don't see the benefit of this type of lifestyle for a kid. Even assuming the best case scenario for him it just seems like he's being forced into adulthood too early.
- valley-green 7y ago
  He’s 9 years old so that’s what his parents told him to say.
valley-green 7y ago
Just goes to show how worthless a degree really is. Are you smarter than a 9 year old? Apparently not.
woodandsteel 7y ago
Here's my favorite prodigy, Kanade Sato. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpFL08m5fQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpFL08m5fQ In this video she is 11. When she was 5 she told her parents she wanted to become a professional drummer. They got her an instructor and she started performing publicly at age 6, and has since gone on to a very successful career.
seignall 7y ago
Wow i so Envy's because this child can hit big leauge so early in that age. My parents didn't have chance to educate me in higher school and University because only middle school graduate.

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jrowley 7y ago

I think the future of medicine is sympathetic engineers. It’s exciting to see this little guy go that route!

oonis 7y ago

I was actually one of those incredibly young kids to finish school, and this right here scares me. Nothing good came from the rush other than some local publicity for a few months. I think it crippled my chances long term social skills, and still going to therapy to try and catch up in any non-academic sense.

toberej 7y ago
Same, entered college at 14. My social skills were wack, was terrible at public speaking, very socially awkward. Was in my room playing Dota 2 for the first 2 years. I'm just finished up at 19 and I feel more mature and understand why so many universities didn't want to accept me at my age. However, I think it all worked out, as long as parents make provisions for social adjustment things can work out okay. I don't know about 9 though, seems tough, i literally could not imagine it because college was a lot more than just studying. Especially since I was in a cognitive science not like a hard STEM, lots of social interaction and open ended questions.
- foobiekr 7y ago
  I went to university at 16. It was like a wonderful playground, so many subjects and areas and it was a great time. I ended up liking it so much, I spent 9 years there drifting to 300+ credits :-b I cannot imagine going at 14. That must have been pretty weird. At 16 I was fine and the biggest issue was the dating and (underage) drinking mismatch. For me going at 16 was an incredible relief. I was incredibly, incredibly bored and unchallenged in school until that point. I wish there wasn't such a stigma about it because I imagine there are lots of other people who had the same level of terrible frustration.
  - godelski 7y ago
    > I spent 9 years there drifting to 300+ credits This sounds expensive
    - text_exch 7y ago
      Sounds like he got a scholarship.
      - commandlinefan 7y ago
        or three.
    - foobiekr 7y ago
      I supported my educational habits working as a network and system administrator. That route is now screwed by universities outsourcing these tasks. There's a HN posting in why there is such a dearth of technical support hires in the modern era and it starts with killing the pipeline and ends with eviscerating the entire career in the outsourcing binge of the early 2000s...
commandlinefan 7y ago
I wasn't incredibly young, but I had completed a two-year degree by the time I was 16. It hasn't benefited me in any way - if anything, it might have hurt me a bit since my grades might have been (might...) a bit higher if I'd just gone to high school and started college at 18 like everybody else.
- shantly 7y ago
  I'm not even that smart—tested into gifted programs by the skin of my teeth—and I'm just about certain I could have completed a 2-year degree in some mid-difficulty subject area by no later than 18—maybe as young as 16—if I'd found a way to get my GED over a Summer or something else that'd mark me as "college ready", applied, and been accepted to a community college. I didn't try to do it because I didn't understand the relative difficulty of high school and (your average non-elite) college, at the time, though. High school eats so much time that college ended up feeling much easier, and the course work for subject areas outside the harder end of STEM wasn't a bit tougher than that of high school (the dividing line is essentially "is any of the math required more difficult than Calc 1?"). I wasn't expecting the first couple years of a 4-year degree to often fail to go past material we'd covered in 8th grade (looking at you, Psych. 101 requirement). I just expected it to be much harder than it actually was, since I gathered that's how it's supposed to be.
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surewhynat 7y ago
Like anything else, social skills just takes practice. A lot of practice. I've read probably over a hundred books on self-help, sales, influence, social skills of all sorts. Ultimately the conclusion is that meeting people and socializing can be scary, but, it's an irrational fear it gets better and easier with practice. It's less about being right or saying the right thing all the time, and more about having a quick reaction to what to say and connect with people on an emotional level. It is all about practice. If you work at a company that has a sales team and you ever wonder how they're so good at being witty, funny, or being liked, just remember that it took them a lot of practice. They're probably on the phone all day long, and I can guarantee you that for most of them it was really hard at first too. Eventually you just get better with people because your brain will adapt, so just put yourself out there.
- tw04 7y ago
  I think you're grossly underestimating the nuances of human interaction that are developed from ages 2-10. I can tell you first hand watching a friends kid who was home schooled trying to interact with his public school peers that they are like a fish out of water. To suggest as an adult you just need "dive in" to figure out social cue's is... unfairly simplified. Can you potentially figure it out over a long period of time if you happen to hook up with some folks that are very understanding and tolerant of "odd" behavior? Sure... but you're talking years and years and years of interaction to recoup those lost social skills.
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  - invalidOrTaken 7y ago
    "It's easy, just use genetic programming." Not so easy for the one under selection!
- Invictus0 7y ago
  Yes, literally years of practice that Laurent is completely missing out on. Even with all those years of practice, lots of people come out of school unable to socialize properly.
rf15 7y ago
Thanks for speaking out.
LeftHandPath 7y ago
I'm not on quite the same level, but I was definitely quick enough to skip a few grades. Thankfully my parent's didn't let me - I wanted to at the time, but to be honest, the importance of social wellness is drastically understated by academic community. Humans are animals, and social animals at that. If we don't give our brains social release, we're going to struggle.
- hkmurakami 7y ago
  I suppose that the tradeoff here is that the child is bored in class right? Curious how you handled the lack of academic challenge given that you were the one who wanted to proactively move up (vs Parents wanting to move their kid up)
  - ACow_Adonis 7y ago
    Anecdote: I took responsibility for my own education. And by that I mean quite literally I had the epiphany that I was ahead of my peers/some teachers when I entered high school (i remember it was the first time I realised they were ranking us and that we were supposed to be competing for grades... hadn't received any/paid attention to them until then), and so made a vow (child's/ adolescent minds are funny like that) that i would do whatever it takes to learn the truth about things irrespective of this social system/mandate to keep going to school. Its worked out for me in the long run, but that's partly because I'm deeply interested in the social sciences and so was spending so much time thinking about how these strange humans act and what I can do to learn from their behaviour (still do and always will feel like an alien/man trapped in an asylum though). At the time though, it resulted in all kinds of social problems. I just stopped doing some assignments + homework. I failed math, then simultaneously topped the grade on the national standardised test they made us take, resulting in a meeting with the school/my parents. I called the math teacher stupid, thinking the adults would listen/care to listen to my words. I was accused of plagiarism in one of my English classes and received a failing grade for that until another meeting: the evidence? Just a general feeling that it was 'too good for someone like me, so someone else must have written it'. I got on fine enough with my peers, it was largely the irrational adult world I couldn't understand at the time. They tried putting me in gifted programs occasionally, but I viewed (accurately imo) that the children in them were social climbers rather than gifted/smart, so I didn't get along with the other kids in them at all (not as in hostile, as in I just found them incredibly boring people and the entire experience incredibly boring). In summary, I continued to have social problems and continued this pattern of non attendance, non completion, failure, and randomly top out some metric. I made it to university where I was promised it would be more intellectual: it wasn't, and my perception there was that it was even more authoritarian/social and about parroting back what the lecturers wanted to hear and doing the admin dance rather than actual intellectual inquiry. I had some good lecturers, but some of the were on another planet of dumb (mainly due to the specialisation heirachy of the university system: even today the idea that you could have knowledge/expertise from more than one field hurts brains). I eventually graduated with a similar pattern of grades, but stopped attending any lectures by the end of it and regularly handed in my assignments late (due, fundamentally, to the mental drudgery of doing them and the absolute inanity of the questions/formats). My actual goal was a success though: I spent huge amounts of my spare time reading/ studying/discussing things of my own volition, and all I can say is thank GOD I was born just in time for the internet to arrive as I hit adolescence or I think that would have been the end of me. I consider myself learned, mature and happy now. I have a family, and, currently, a job where people listen to me (and outside of silicon valley, a wage considered high, plus I live exactly where I want with access to learning materials still). It left me deeply distrustful of formal education systems and social institutions (I think justifiably/accurately). Someone without my ability to learn/observe/pick up on social cues would have been chewed up and spat out though once they reached the real world assuming dad isn't giving them a job, and I would say it's been far from smooth sailing even for me (80% of my life is still pretending I'm 'dumber' than I really am, even though I'm now partly looked up to as an authority in my line of work, and smiling/trying to get along with everyone and the social system). Protip for those following after: 80% of human social interaction is comprised of recognising who has authority/status, smiling, and avoiding open conflict :p everything also makes a lot more sense when you realise truth doesn't rate as an ongoing concern in most human's lives (but being viewed as 'socially correct' is extremely important).
duxup 7y ago
Socialization is an education too and it takes as long as real education or longer. I can't imagine isolating a child like that at a university. It's not the same socialization as with your peers that kids need.
hrdwdmrbl 7y ago
From the video and article it doesn't seem like the kid is being rushed. The parents said that they're just "going with the flow" and "it's just who he is". It really seems like they're trying to do what's best for the kid and give him a balanced life. Maybe I'm just an optimist.
lostmsu 7y ago
> still going to therapy to try and catch up in any non-academic sense Sorry for asking, but what problems exactly do you have in non-academic sense?
arbitrary_name 7y ago
I took a job in sales (commission based, fail and starve) just to force myself to socialize better. Short term - very very hungry. Long term - a far more effective and well-integrated member of society.

dghughes 7y ago

It's funny a deleted comment asked if geniuses ever achieve anything. My cousin is supposedly a genius (siblings all have doctorates) yet works in a laundromat. I saw an article where one genius kid years ago was asked what he wanted to be when he grew up, he said a gameshow host.

delecti 7y ago
I wonder if it's like the gene for sickle cell. Two copies of it are bad (sickle cell anemia), but one copy of the gene can protect against malaria. A bit of genius can be incredibly helpful, but too much can make it difficult to relate to other people.
adnzzzzZ 7y ago
There are two traits that most predict performance in life: IQ and conscientiousness. "Genius", as most people refer to the word, essentially means high IQ. But IQ has no correlation whatsoever to conscientiousness, so you can be someone with extremely high IQ but extremely low conscientiousness. If you have low conscientiousness you're going to be someone who isn't particularly disciplined, hard-working, organized, reliable, etc. So you can get these situations where there are geniuses who achieve nothing because they lack conscientiousness. Most people who end up achieving a lot tend to be high in both traits. And of course, conscientiousness isn't fixed. You can improve it through various means. Although if you're extremely low in it in my view you're likely not going to be able to improve such that you can become the most conscientious person out of 100, for instance.
- crooked-v 7y ago
  It's worth noting that IQ also isn't fixed, as it can be noticeably affected by wealth, nutrition, family stability, etc, over time.
that_jojo 7y ago
People rarely consider the fact that just because someone is born to be a genius doesn't mean that they'll want to grow up to be an academic. I was born reasonably smart-ish. Did okay in school, have a good job writing code because I have an aptitude for it. But if I had a big dream, it would be in entertainment.

fenwick67 7y ago

Would love to see a breakdown of how you do this from a bureaucracy perspective.

pupppet 7y ago

Yeah let's rush this kid into the workforce, who needs social skills anyway.

djohnston 7y ago

What ever happens to these kids? I read these articles once every few years, and then .. Does the beurocracy of academia swallow them whole or is their work no longer interesting once they hit 18? Or do they become average academics?

gadders 7y ago
Here's one example that I remember from my childhood as she is the same age as me: "Ruth Elke Lawrence-Neimark (Hebrew: רות אלקה לורנס-נאימרק‎, born 2 August 1971) is a British–Israeli mathematician and an associate professor of mathematics at the Einstein Institute of Mathematics, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and a researcher in knot theory and algebraic topology." "In 1981 Lawrence passed the Oxford University entrance examination in mathematics, joining St Hugh's College in 1983 at the age of twelve." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence
chabons 7y ago
You probably only ever hear of the success stories. I can think of Terry Tao, John von Neumann, and Erik Demaine off the top of my head, not because they were prodigies, but because they have gained enough name recognition that I Google'd them and learned of their early education. Even if the rest had very interesting research, you wouldn't hear about them outside of their chosen field unless they reached superstar status.
- pmoriarty 7y ago
  Norbert Wiener[1], founder of cybernetics, was another famous prodigy: "After graduating from Ayer High School in 1906 at 11 years of age, Wiener entered Tufts College. He was awarded a BA in mathematics in 1909 at the age of 14, whereupon he began graduate studies of zoology at Harvard. In 1910 he transferred to Cornell to study philosophy. He graduated in 1911 at 17 years of age." There are also, of course, many, many more musical and chess prodigies, for example... Mozart probably being the most famous of them all. Curiously, there don't seem to be any significant prodigy novelists or poets. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener

rb808 7y ago

I'm more interested in important stuff like if he can ride a bike or has any friends.

oneepic 7y ago

I read TFA, I know he's planning on grad school, but it's funny to imagine him taking a break and going into the workforce 9 years later at 18 years old: <Company A> Hiring manager: checks resume This guy graduated back in 2019 and hasn't had a job since? Nope, no way. I'm not interested. Probably some lazy kid again. <Company B> Interviewer: So I saw you graduated in 2019? What jobs have you had since then? Any personal projects? Kid: (incredulous)

LegitShady 7y ago
"puberty"
swiley 7y ago
Yeah it’s weird how easy it is to really screw yourself by doing things out of the ordinary.
- WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
  At the age of 9 with a bachelor's, I can totally see taking this kid on as an intern where we work. We can't exactly pay him, but I'll cut a check to his parents.
  - rpmisms 7y ago
    You can pay his parents' LLC, who can then legally pay him in most states. I did a LOT of contracting under 18 through my dad's LLC.

t17yog 7y ago

Back in my day, I have graduated with M.Sc. at age of 17. Eleven years later, still my country's record. Ask me anything about later life of child prodigies etc.

in_hindsight 7y ago
Can you say that you are ahead of your current peers in terms of learning capacity / knowledge? Can you still learn new subjects / fields ?
jl6 7y ago
Are you happy? Do you have rewarding work? Do you think your early degree came at the cost of something else? If given the chance would you do it again?
- t17yog 7y ago
  I'm happy. My work is fairly rewarding, though I have some small regrets I wasn't able to pursue an academic career. I don't regret doing this. I was a super-fast learner, and I don't think I would be able to bear a full-length school+university circuit.
jeswin 7y ago
Apart from inherent intellectual horsepower, what else during your formative years could have played a role in you being able to learn faster?
- t17yog 7y ago
  Incredible amount of support from my parents through all childhood years definitely played a part. Also, since my baby years, I've always had a lot of learning stimuli - books, computers, extracurriculars etc. Although our family was fairly poor, me having access to knowledge always has been a #1 spending priority.
mattmar96 7y ago
What advice would you give to a teenager attempting a similar feat?

ngngngng 7y ago

Would this be more common if more parents were aware it was a possibility? At this risk of sounding arrogant, I'm fairly certain I could have kept up with at least the average college student by the time I was 12 or 13. Can you even enroll in university without a high school diploma? I certainly might have if I had heard more stories like this.

coldtea 7y ago
>Would this be more common if more parents were aware it was a possibility? It should get less common, if more parents understand the developmental and psychological damage to the child.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  Yeah I should hope so. If you spend some time around kids you notice that while there are a lot of average kids, there is no shortage of really bright ones that could totally be learning more than they are learning at a regular school. Mostly we don't kick them up to a higher grade, because it never really works out for the best. Probably because you forget most of the details of what you learn anyway unless it's a basic life skill or part of your career. What you get out of school is social experience and how to learn.
  - vkou 7y ago
    > What you get out of school is social experience and how to learn. My social experience in middle school was horrific, and school in general tried its best to beat any interest in learning out of me. If those are the stated goals of school, most of them do a piss-poor job at meeting them.
    - coldtea 7y ago
      The "horrific" part is also a preparation for adult life, which is not just roses and kind people. So that's part of the "social experience". Someone home schooled, especially if kept from friends too, would have a much bigger problem understanding adult life.

jangid 7y ago

On the contrary, there is another school of thought which says that the people who started going to school late in life are much more resilient to difficult situations in life. When I look at earlier generation (I am 77 born), I notice that they are happier than others in tough times. And the generation younger than me feels irritated when the elders ask them to take it easy or ask them to ignore some comments etc. The academic competition is taking lives out of people.

pram 7y ago
What are you even responding to?

raphlinus 7y ago

I started college at 9. Didn't actually graduate at the time, basically started doing computer projects on my own, then went back to school at 22 in the PhD program at Berkeley. I haven't made a huge deal about this, but am more open to talking about it now, especially if the experience helps other people. Feel free to AMA.

chelmzy 7y ago
How did you manage to attend college at age 9? Was it your parents/home schooling?
- raphlinus 7y ago
  Short answer, yes. I was accelerated in the local high school, but that didn't work out for a number of reasons. So basically my dad decided I should take classes at the nearby college. It was unusual at the time and place, but he had quite a forceful personality.
glaive123 7y ago
Are you successful financially or has your academic achievement translated into career achievement?
- raphlinus 7y ago
  I have had a very rewarding and fulfilling career, and am gratified that I'm now able to pursue the things that interest me most: tools for font design, high performance 2D graphics, Rust GUI. A lot of this is connected to the things I was interested in as a teenager.
theparanoid 7y ago
How did it affect you romantically?
- raphlinus 7y ago
  Did I say AMA above? I should have probably qualified that... But I'll say this. I was very socially awkward as a kid and teenager. I dated some as an older teenager, but didn't feel quite comfortable until I got to grad school (at 22). Then I fell in with a peer group, got a really good friend group (who I still keep in touch with), dated and got married, had two kids, now divorced. So it's definitely part of my story, but my experience now is probably not all that different than most of my friends.

stemsux 7y ago

This just exposes how simple STEM degrees really are. No one is going to finish a bachelors in literature at age 9.

WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
Of course they won't. Bachelors in Literature means you want to be a barista.
scarejunba 7y ago
There is no inherent value to complexity.
oneepic 7y ago
Did you make this account just to make this post?

einpoklum 7y ago

Good on him. But - there's always the question of how much of what he's doing is his own individual will, and how much the result of his parents' influence. Now, of course the former is naturally influenced by the latter, and people can certainly end up pursuing what their parents has hoped, but it can be very difficult emotionally if you "wake up" one day and notice your entire life is invested in some course of progress you're not even sure you really want. Doubly difficult if you get stuck or fail at something, and need to have a strong emotional support for your sense of self-worth and purpose to fall back on. (This is partially from my own experience, although it's nothing like in the story.)

nullbyte 7y ago

But Lydia (the mother) has her own theory. "I ate a lot of fish during the pregnancy" New meta boys. Eat fish for an ez bachelors degree.

oneepic 7y ago
And put your kid in swimming lessons ASAP for good measure.

lacker 7y ago

When I was a kid I knew a lot of other kids in some sort of "advanced math" track. I was going to math camps, attending the international math olympiad, that sort of thing, so I met a lot of others in a similar situation. One kid was enrolled in college at 13, and some others were in a similar situation. Whereas another cohort of kids basically just cruised through or skipped their high school math classes, learned advanced math quasi-independently in parallel, and stayed socially integrated with their classmates. I don't know so much about electrical engineering, which is the subject in this article. But for mathematics, I don't think it's a great idea to advance to college super early. One big problem with the plan, which a lot of people don't realize, is that your typical university math degree isn't that much more challenging than doing well in high school math. The people who went, for example, to Ohio State University while they were young, and took their undergrad math classes, generally didn't describe them as very intellectually interesting. You also just miss the social interactions of having a peer group near your own age. But I think those are more apparent to people. The problem is that you think you're exchanging some social interaction for a great intellectual experience, and then you don't even really get a great intellectual experience. My recommendation to kids who are great at math and thinking about taking college classes is, don't. If the math classes at your high school are too easy, ask your teachers if you can skip straight to the AP exam. In my experience, teachers who are hesitant to break the rules of the system are more willing to believe the "proof" of an AP exam, and a smart kid can ace an AP exam in a subject they know nothing about with a little bit of cramming. It's better to wait and go to a top-tier school rather than to start college super early at a medium-tier school. For math specifically, you can usually just start taking graduate math courses during your freshman year at university. That way, you get the intellectual stimulation of grad school, but the social stimulation of an undergrad program. And if you change your mind and decide you want a career in something other than mathematics, you have plenty of time.

akhilcacharya 7y ago
I was a pretty mediocre student in high school (as in, I didn’t get into Duke, people like you would consider me a failure etc), what would you say was the biggest difference between the precocious crowd you describe and everyone else? Do you think it’d just inherent? I did community college in high school so I’d say it’s better to eliminate the “boring” general ed classes first but that’s just my experience.

oldspleen 7y ago

This kid will fulfill the job requirements! 10 years of work experience at the age of 25 haha

jandrewrogers 7y ago

I was one of these children. In hindsight, I think it damages your development in many ways to the detriment of long-term outcomes. The unfortunate environment and instability of my childhood living situation, which ultimately derailed the "child prodigy" track, may have put me in a better position to actualize my abilities despite the obvious negatives at the time. I knew a couple other kids like me that stayed on that track, none had great outcomes. The intense focus on academic learning does very little to prepare you for being a productive human out in the real world, which is tacitly a part of the environment normal kids grow up in. That many of these kids are dropped into the real world even earlier than their age peers due to accelerated schooling just compounds this. One the upside, one elementary school that had no idea how to teach me sat me in front of a computer and left me to my own devices. So I taught myself to program.

d-d 7y ago
It's tragic how being an outlier in kicks all these other processes into action that tend to remove the person even further from society.

rowanG077 7y ago

I'm from the Netherlands and this story is not entirely true. This kid has been given a highly customized program where he didn't have to complete massive amounts of coursework that normal students have to complete. While I find it nice that a university provides this opportunity at the same time I also find it a largely unfair to other bachelor students that have to go along with the normal long program. It's a 3 year program that I believe the average student could do in at least half the time if they where give the same freedoms this boy has been given.

markus92 7y ago
As someone who actually got the same degree at the same University as thd kid, I can confirm this is true. The amount of coursework he skipped is relatively high (every group project, some mandatory non-engineering subjects, at least totalling to 45 ECTS on top of my head) and the freedom he got when doing courses is unprecedented: no mandatory attendance and only oral examinations. A 14 year old girl started the same program around 2006, she did do the full, regular coursework.

ourmandave 7y ago

The default payment schedule on student loans is 10 years. Is her's adjusted to 20 years?

scarejunba 7y ago

Ha, I wonder if everyone was talking about how Terence Tao would be irredeemably damaged psychologically for finishing college at 16. Well, it certainly looks like he's doing well. I wish this kid the best.

calvinbhai 7y ago

I'm so glad his parents are focussing on ensuring he gets to be a child. degrees can be done later. not Childhood.

0x0aff374668 7y ago

I speak to nine year old relatives: they are barely articulate simians. What is it like talking to a 9 year old who has completed a 4-year EE degree? Can you walk up to the kid and say, "Hey, solve this bridge/op-amp circuit's transfer function?" or ask a humanities question, "What are the ethical dilemmas inherent in an open discussion forum?" I guess this is what it feels like to be a young-earth creationist: I simply cannot wrap my head around a 9-year old being able to answer these question, so like a creationist I choose to believe it is a fake.

birdyrooster 7y ago
It illuminates how small the achievement of a bachelors degree is.
- quacked 7y ago
  Ah, the lone voice of reason!
- Alupis 7y ago
  What's more likely to be going on here is nobody wanted to stand in the way of this kid with all the external pressure to keep pushing the narrative along. Nobody wanted to be the person holding everything up by insisting the submitted paper on Prison Inmate Rehabilitation Programs was very surface level and lacked deep reflection and thoughtfulness. There's just no way a 9 year old can handle serious research papers or form complex arguments about social and global issues. Two things common in most university general education programs. Can a 9 year old be good at something specific? Sure... but I'd put my money on this kid was pushed through for the narrative and not for the actual coursework.
thetrumanshow 7y ago
>> I guess this is what it feels like to be a young-earth creationist: I simply cannot wrap my head around... You think you're picking on an easy target there, but if you talked to some, you might actually find a few that will talk about young-earth creationism in the context of something interesting like Einsteins theories of gravitational time dilation. Had an engineering professor like this. Call it cognitive dissonance or not, but it seems pretty normal to be able to hold two concepts in one's head, even ones that seem to conflict... with the hopes of one day reconciling them.

dogprez 7y ago

You may find it interesting that in Finland academics doesn't start until age 7. They emphasize play / arts in preschool and by age 15 outperform most countries. What has this child lost by encouraging academic pursuits at such a young age? Will they ever recover, and what was at risk by having them wait a few years? source: https://www.npr.org/2014/03/08/287255411/what-the-u-s-can-learn-from-finland-where-school-starts-at-age-7 https://www.npr.org/2014/03/08/287255411/what-the-u-s-can-le...

INTPenis 7y ago

I once visited some friends in Brussels who worked for the EU parliament. Not in a political capacity. While there I found out about children as young as 9 or 10 who already speak several european languages. It's really interesting to see what growing up in the political capitol of europe among children to diplomats can do to a kid.

hybrids 7y ago
It has been well-documented that kids generally pick up languages much faster than adults.
lordnacho 7y ago
I suspect this is orders of magnitude more common than kids graduating university at 9. For instance everyone in my extended family speaks 3 languages at least, some 4, due to historical circumstances. It's simply a question of exposure. If you go to Fribourg in Switzerland there's a whole area where people speak both French, Swiss German, and High German. And these days English as well. The rest of the Swiss at least learn several languages in school, though perhaps not using them constantly.

Gusen 7y ago

Audio of our President demanding a $4 billion dollar bribe from child rapists to “take a blind eye” on January 3, 2019. Trump becomes one on January 14, 2019. Also, here is the big reason the major networks do not report any of it. //Download the video, turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on. Note: there is not much to see in the video, the audio is picked up from another [illegal surveillance] system. Trump is on a call from with Henry Porter and Gigi Hadid. See page 63. Bribe demand at 10:18am: 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... //President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, rapes and kills his first boy at 6:32am. Video link below: 14JanCh3_600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/154QvA5hwyHGYIVXtod1ZbsOHFUJNbqZW/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/154QvA5hwyHGYIVXtod1ZbsOHFUJ... 14JanCh2_600-700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/19UkqmnMwZiWy7xxWngltqwoKLTJL-IZ_/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/19UkqmnMwZiWy7xxWngltqwoKLTJ... //On January 18, 2019 at 8:31am (see page 8) Trump acknowledges the four billion dollar bribe and says: "Let's get it done and get to fucking some kids." Video link below: 18JanCh3_725-.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bVTcGq5Z9oOSAiOQcKYrmuK4TwoNmY1h/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bVTcGq5Z9oOSAiOQcKYrmuK4Two... //A big reason this has not been reported by the major news networks is right here. Lester Holt of NBC Nightly News, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo on January 14th, 2019 at 5:00am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00am. Muir starts around 5:15am, then Holt about 5:38am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp & Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS & Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... //This is the tip of the iceberg. //Full 88 page PDF [updated 12Nov]: FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... //This post will be censored when this account logs off, the posts are "shadow banned". They try to make it look like the post is live, but it is not. Here is an example. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJedYKz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJ... \\@Video of the Buffalo Police illegally seizing my apartment at 307 Summer Street without a warrant on behalf of child rapist Henry M. Porter on January 18, 2019. The day before, BPD Chief Lockwood and US Attorney for WNY Kennedy rape boys for Porter. Trump on 10Jan demands $138 million for smooth outcome ( Full audio of it here. \\Video links below. See pages 7-10 of the PDF below for more... 18JanCh4_KnockToEnd.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N2mozGdPD7HMWELjRhvIZ94eBLjXEAVX/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N2mozGdPD7HMWELjRhvIZ94eBLj... Yes, it is the Buffalo Police. View from Ch3: NVR@ch3@main.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JNMZn6JxYTCBULkC58AQtXa75hzjPVlr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JNMZn6JxYTCBULkC58AQtXa75hz... Transcript of the event: https://drive.google.com/file/d/192B7tZa3b23Ab0UkSLGqNuLBUrDqOaAr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/192B7tZa3b23Ab0UkSLGqNuLBUrD... \\The (early) morning before, Henry Porter insists Buffalo Police Commissioner Byron Lockwood, and US Attorney for the Western New York region James Kennedy, and FBI Supervisory Special Agent Andrew Abromowitz among others, rape and kill boys to confirm their membership in the “Illuminati”. Download the video, turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on. Note: there is not much to see in the video, the audio is picked up from another [illegal surveillance] system. Buffalo Police Commissioner Byron Lockwood rapes and kills boys starting 3:25am. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy starts right after at about 3:31am. Both rape multiple boys to death on January 17, 2019. Erie County Social Services Special Invesigator Keith Pelky rapes four boys to death starting about 2:45am. FBI supervisory special agent Andrew Abromowitz at 2:53am onward. WGRZ Channel 2 News in Buffalo lead anchor Scott Levin begins about 3:00am. 17JanCh3_200-300.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uzXPvnyDz_tm25MbeW5oKseH-jrckFsS/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uzXPvnyDz_tm25MbeW5oKseH-jr... 17JanCh3_300-445.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gTDU4Eris8a3QO1llI3gCRmr11zrSdjk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gTDU4Eris8a3QO1llI3gCRmr11z... 17JanCh4_230-430.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZoJNJwlTRlDf2PD-IV5jTAqnYPEWjFnC/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZoJNJwlTRlDf2PD-IV5jTAqnYPE... Erie County Commissioner of Social Services Marie Cannon, “preps” boys for rape by these men @2:53am. This means she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and subsequently murdered. These acts expected of female (full) members of the Illuminati. Elisha Burkart and her sister Gelisa join Marie in the duties here. \\Back on January 10, 2019, Porter enlisted the support of his paid off politicians, including the President of the United States, in a show of force to make an example of this tenant who went against his wishes. The Buffalo City Court clerks were paid and instructed to simply enter a judgment into the court system, thus bypassing the tenant's fifth amendment rights while the President is observing this happen. Trump requests a $138 million dollar bribe for a golf course to "ensure a smooth outcome". Excerpts of the dialogue and full audio below. Again, Download the video, turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on. Note: there is not much to see in the video, the audio is picked up from another [illegal surveillance] system. See page 47 in the PDF, which can be downloaded below. 10JanCh3_951-1033.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30mlw9INp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30ml... 10JanCh2_1000-1033.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RyFLV_MOYTe2LCl2Q9hT5T3_9ZJH4qvd/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RyFLV_MOYTe2LCl2Q9hT5T3_9ZJ... Excerpts of the dialogue: 1000 Kamala Harris - Matthew Porter: "Are you interested in participating?" Harris: "You'll have to speak with Senator Pelosi." MPorter: "We have. We're paying you $3 billion dollars. " Harris: "Ok count me in." 1004 Barack Obama - Matthew Porter: "...this guy was basically a bartender and doesn't know how things really work. We're gonna show him." Obama: "Well you already have me covered let me know what you need..." 1003 Donald Trump - Wants $138 million for a golf course at [Mar-a-Lago?] to ensure this goes smoothly. "Schlenker is gone...I believe everyone will be ok, that motherfucker has to go." 1004 Corey Hogan - "Outrageous this guy wants another $138 million...we already gave him $4 billion" viewer comments: "I cannot believe Trump is here....he just acknowledged the [falsified] judgment..." "...Trump is giving Henry advice how to get around the judgment..." 1007 Andrew Cuomo: "Am I confident we could do this without the President involved? Absolutely not." 1007 MPorter: "It's embarrassing but we need the President in case he [Brian Schlenker] catches on it would go all the way to the Supreme Court." 1007 Michinewski(sp?): "This shit is getting too stupid to believe." Note: this is BPD3 from 18Jan. 1010 MPorter: "Kamala how many people do you think are with us [on this]?" Harris: "I don't know how many are on here?" MPorter: "About 350,000...we've had as much as 3 million...when Brian got the [petition] off the door 350,000 watched and 3 million logged on to see what happened." 1014 Matthew Porter comments the judgment has now been entered into the system... These events were excerpts from this 88 page PDF . It keeps getting censored, but with enough public awareness, they will eventually have to face justice. Please help get this around [updated 12Nov]: FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... \\This post will be censored/removed is when this account logs off. Posts are "shadow banned". They try to make it look like the post is live, but it is not. Here is an example. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJedYKz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxS8JESoIg7uxRkUgdptMsF6SuJ...

i4t 7y ago

Wow, HN is flooded with geniuses. I'm not surprised.

whamlastxmas 7y ago
I take a small pleasure in knowing smart people read my sometimes banal comments

rpmisms 7y ago

If this was normalized, nobody would be panicking about the social ramifications. Put him into a normal middle and high school. Let his brain atrophy. Such is the price we pay. I'm still a teenager, but I'm in the workforce, but I try to maintain some level of "kid-ness". I still do stupid stuff with my friends, and make out in parking lots. Both are possible, and if this guy is determined, he can skip a lot of the boring parts of life and get to the good stuff.

spandrew 7y ago

What's the rush? You'll just get to the end game and have no one else to play with, and probably frustrated with the lack of suitable raid members.

BrandoElFollito 7y ago

My son at the age of 8 got diagnosed high precocity. He was showing the intellectual capacities of a 16 yo. Everyone was suggesting us to skip two or three classes and keep skipping them. I refused and kept him in his normal track because he was emotionally a 8 yo kid,who spittle play with other children, who silly things and learn to be social. I let him read a lot, he was interested in science so we were discussing these subjects a lot etc. He is now 16, happy, doing silly things with his peers and otherwise attending the 3rd high school in the country (being average+ there). I am everyday so happy with our choice.

thewizardofaus 7y ago
Excellent parenting. Kids need to be kids; no matter how intelligent :)

louwrentius 7y ago

I really wish all the best upon this boy, but I wonder what becomes of these gifted people. From time to time, we see articles like this of a gifted children. And then we never hear from them ever again. It seems to me that having a gift is not synonymous with being (moderately) successful. Am I totally biased, wrong on this notion?

Finch2192 7y ago
I have the same notions about such cases. Can anyone think of child prodigies that went on to do notable things? (not including the unabomber)
- spieglt 7y ago
  Just read this today: https://medium.com/cantors-paradise/the-unparalleled-genius-of-john-von-neumann-791bb9f42a2d https://medium.com/cantors-paradise/the-unparalleled-genius-...
arandr0x 7y ago
1. being successful and famous are not the same thing 2. being famous at an early age is probably correlated with wanting to be as far away from the public eye as possible as an adult, if any other options are there. But also, I was in one of those articles (a long time ago and am now an Old in internet time), so AMA, I guess.
elcomet 7y ago
I can think of Terry Tao which was mentioned today in another thread. He was a child genius and is now a world famous mathematician.
- louwrentius 7y ago
  One? Just one?
TrackerFF 7y ago
Terry Tao turned out well - but he's just one of many. I know one guy that finished his Bsc in math by age 17, and got accepted to Cambridge - he's a rich fund manager today. Didn't really contribute to science, but interests change with time.

munmaek 7y ago

As someone who went to college early (some community college classes at 14, then university at 16), and was partially homeschooled (freshman-junior year), I wouldn't recommend this. Socializing is huge. I really cannot emphasize enough how important it is, especially for younger kids. If you're really smart or gifted in a subject, there are multiple other avenues to take that still let you hang out with peers around your age.

lordnacho 7y ago
I'm not sure anything is stopping him from going back to normal school to socialize while studying the non-STEM subjects that everyone needs to do anyway? He could hang out with friends while doing that.
- pyrale 7y ago
  In order to get such early academic performance, the child has probably been trained very hard into enjoying corpus learning. This makes it less likely for them to enjoy moving to a place where this topic is nonexistent. Or, to say it in ML terms, it would be very surprising for this child to be trained so fast without overfitting.
javagram 7y ago
Sports or clubs (Scouts, etc) are a better way to hang around with peer kids than school classes, IMO. I transitioned from homeschool to public school at one point during my childhood and I think I was actually much more socialized in homeschool where I was in sports, Scouts, intentional play dates, etc. that my parents were doing to avoid the socialization problem. Whereas once you’re put in public school it’s simply assumed you will be somehow “socialized” (in reality socialization in school often takes the form of bullying, especially if you’re clearly different from peers in some way like intelligence, or you can end up just not having friends)
- ianmobbs 7y ago
  This seems like a very personal take. Most kids I knew in school were also involved with sports and clubs, it wasn't just assumed they'd get enough socialization in school. I also doubt that socialization "often" takes the form of bullying, and while there's no doubt that bullying is a problem, it's certainly not the primary experience most people have in school.

agumonkey 7y ago

I knew how to read at 5

steven741 7y ago

> However, unlike most 9-year-olds, he has already worked out what he wants to do with his life: develop artificial organs. It always worries me to see news like this. I really don't see the benefit of this type of lifestyle for a kid. Even assuming the best case scenario for him it just seems like he's being forced into adulthood too early.

valley-green 7y ago
He’s 9 years old so that’s what his parents told him to say.

valley-green 7y ago

Just goes to show how worthless a degree really is. Are you smarter than a 9 year old? Apparently not.

woodandsteel 7y ago

Here's my favorite prodigy, Kanade Sato. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpFL08m5fQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpFL08m5fQ In this video she is 11. When she was 5 she told her parents she wanted to become a professional drummer. They got her an instructor and she started performing publicly at age 6, and has since gone on to a very successful career.

seignall 7y ago

Wow i so Envy's because this child can hit big leauge so early in that age. My parents didn't have chance to educate me in higher school and University because only middle school graduate.