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How to Buy Drugs
- Gomer1800 7y ago“ As a consequence, the drugs available to the informed buyer are of a higher quality than ever before. They are also safer.” If only we could say the same about the people exploited along the chain of production of these drugs
- Apocalypse_666 7y agoI’d buy fair trade drugs if I could
- lostgame 7y agoWe can dream...
- Gomer1800 7y agoHell I would too! So long as I could go to sleep at night knowing my money didnt help finance violence and corruption. Thats why I really hope we legalize recreational drugs. Tackling supply and the demand just doesnt work, people want them.
- stinos 7y agoSame goes as for food: buy local, short supply chain etc. Meaning also not every single thing is available, but at least you know what you get and where you got it from. And obviously: depending on where you live there won't be any people making what you want..
- standardUser 7y agoOne could say the same about workers in food production, low skill manufacturing, natural resource extraction, etc.
- Gomer1800 7y agoYea, but just because exploitation is commonplace doesnt make it right. Thats a terrible justification
- journalctl 7y agoOne could, and indeed, many do. Exploitation and wage slavery are terrible no matter the industry.
- DaiPlusPlus 7y ago> ...the people exploited along the chain of production... Cocaine farmed from Columbia by the cartel's bonded-labour workfocrce? Sure. A pharm-tech diverting a few boxes of Desoxyn from the Walgreens they work at? No. Afghan opium? It's a cash-crop in the region; by buying it you're actually helping people escape poverty. Some mate's attic hydroponics operation? No.
- Gomer1800 7y agoIts not just the obvious examples like cocaine and methamphetamines. Im mean MDMA and other synthetic drugs are usually manufactured abroad and smuggled into the UK/US by criminal organizations whose income also finances violence and corruption. Theres no stopping the demand for party/recreational drugs, we may as well legalize them already. But if you buy these illicitly you should know that you’ve likely financially contributed to despicable acts abroad. I find the idea of ‘safe’ illicitly purchased drugs deeply ironic.
- DaiPlusPlus 7y agoAh - you mentioned "chain of production" so I assumed you were only referring to the production of the drug, not its trafficking. When you include trafficking you're right - but I did mention examples in my post that don't involve any exploitation, such as pharmaceutical diversion and people who grow and supply their own drugs.
- Gomer1800 7y agoI really don't care if people consume/purchase/make/sell drugs if the money isn't financing terrible things someplace in the world. I think the first step to making these kind of guarantees for consumers is legalizing the market for drugs. I've got friends who grow weed and Ill smoke their stuff anyday cause I know where it comes from.
- therealx 7y agoMost trafficking is not forced or exploitive. It's some poor person seeing a quick payday and going for it. Beside, most drugs flowing into the US are from underground tunnel, or shipping container, or the back of a commercial truck. At one point they were buying used 747s, flying them full of coke to the US, and then just ditchiing the plane because they made way more than the cost of the plane.
- GEBBL 7y agoIs there a non paywalled version of this article anywhere?
- fb03 7y agoi have a question: would it be illegal for me or anyone else to access it, copy and paste it somewhere else? this sucks
- QuesnayJr 7y agoNoScript worked for me.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoWorked instantly on iPhone safari with a content blocker. Was surprised to see someone write paywall, because didn’t think my setup would block one.
- huseyinkeles 7y agoCool, what content blocker are you using? Mine didn’t help (crystal)
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- pizzaparty2 7y agoPrescription drugs? Because I need some and it takes months and time off work and repeated Dr and specialist and procedure trips just to get an antibiotic called Rifaximin that can cure certain types of IBS. Last time it took six months, a thousand dollars, four or five days off work, and a colonoscopy before I could get a prescription. But they don't prescribe enough to actually cure it. Is there a black market for this? I'm asking for a friend.
- anaisbetts 7y agoNot a black market, but here you go - https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1614-rifakem-400.aspx https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1614-rifakem-400.aspx
- therealx 7y agoFirst rule of inhousepharmacy...
- anaisbetts 7y agoMeh, I have no way to DM this person
- sosuke 7y agoThere is a black market for prescription drugs like everything else. Grey market really since it is a legal drug. I've used the grey market with success but ymmv.
- lostgame 7y agoAnd just like the black market for cocaine, what you get in that pill or powder could literally be anything, and there’s no guarantee of consistency between orders. I believe this is more of the overall point being made in a lot of the comments here - that obviously decriminalization would allow for quality control.
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- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoThe idea the police prevented access to a well protected site to move traffic to a site they had control of is fairly clever.
- blackflame 7y agoClever yes, but I wonder about the legalities of it
- johnzerka 7y agoI lurked Dread (reddit for Tor) pretty often during the Dream vs Wallstreet market battle. Wallstreet was well regarded as a solid market, whilst Dream was continuously called a LEO honeypot. I'm pretty convinced that all this talk was FUD spread by the German cyber-police after reading this article.
- eindiran 7y agoA few years ago the police did something similar by running a honeypot site called Hansa [0]; they gained control of the site, but rather than shutting it down immediately, they quietly ran the site for a few months, making changes to it in the background. Then, they siezed the big darknet market at the time, Alphabay [1], which drove everyone on the site, dealers and users alike, onto Hansa. Before the influx of users, they had modified the site to record a lot of data that a normal darknet market wouldn't. For example, instead of discarding photo metadata, it would extract it for law-enforcement use. They changed built-in PGP encryption software on the site, so that when people used it, it would first record the information entered before creating the message and sending it to the other user, which allowed them to get information like mailing addresses. Instead of hashing and salting passwords, they recorded them in plaintext, which allowed them to capture accounts on other markets when users had recycled usernames and passwords. The operation, called Operation Bayonet [2], was complex enough that several different law enforcement agencies from Europe and the US were involved. The Dutch police, Interpol, the FBI and DEA etc. It was quite an interesting case. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansa_(market) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansa_(market) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaBay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaBay [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bayonet_(darknet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bayonet_(darknet)
- nloladze 7y agoJust decriminalize it already. Tax it, inspect for quality and offer tax-free mandated psychiatric and clinical checkups every six to eighteen months (paid for by taxes and imports) and start busting dealers and suppliers for tax evasion; not possession or intent to distribute. 50% to 90% user rate drop, far less overdoses and overall huge tax increases.
- gambiting 7y agoWhile I can see the argument for decriminalisation of most drugs, I can't believe something like fentanyl should ever be. Just like you can't legally buy cyanide without a permit - it's just too dangerous to allow free market distribution.
- jdc 7y agoThe rise of fentanyl trafficking is largely a result of prohibition. Imagine you are a drug smuggler. Now would you rather have truck load worth $100k or a briefcase worth $100k?
- jariel 7y agoLegal drugs would create vast incentives for R&D and fentanyl would have likely happened sooner - but it doesn't matter. Fenatnyl largely ends the debate on 'full legalisation' - there are just far too many things that are 'fun close to death' beyond even that. Everything will have to be taken case by case: micro dots I can see happening. Maybe coca leaves - unprocessed. But beyond that it's just too hard to regulate reasonably - it's one of those interesting and undeniable cases of community vs. individual freedoms: just as there are super conscientious folks who can 'handle there stuff' there are far, far too many who cannot. I live in a mixed neighbourhood across fro a social clinic and this experience has been enlightening. To me, the freedom opportunity is simply not worth the extensive social cost. Decriminalise, change how we think about it surely, but there's no avoiding the general 'war' on controlled substances at scale. Just look at Juul and vaping, it's absolutely rocked in popularity, spreading through youth culture to the point where it's really a fundamental behaviour, and therefore concern. And that's just nicotine. I'd be nice to find a way to sort out the reasonable folks from the rest ... but I'm not sure this is going to happen in our lifetimes.
- stickfigure 7y agoFascinating. What sort of legal liability would someone take on by publishing 'secure darkweb marketplace software' as open source? Asking for a friend interested in civil liberties and civil disobedience.
- blackflame 7y agoWell you might want to familiarize yourself with this story first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht
- wolco 7y agoWriting open source software designed for the .onion network is different than running a drug platform over the darknet. Writing software doesn't get you in trouble. Choosing to stock ads for products like guns/drugs might.
- dewey 7y ago> Writing software doesn’t get you in trouble https://www.wired.com/story/wannacry-malwaretech-arrest/ https://www.wired.com/story/wannacry-malwaretech-arrest/
- hombre_fatal 7y agoYou're responding to someone asking about developing open-source software, not deploying and operating it.
- blackflame 7y agoLet's make an open-source virus while we’re at it? Your target audience is very small, you're not going to get much help, and you'll be exposing any undiscovered vulnerability to state entities that have the resources to exploit them at the cost of the operator's freedom. Open source only works if you have a healthy number of eyes working on it otherwise you're better off with security through obscurity. Think of how many people work on the linux kernal and how bugs are still found all the time
- brendonjohn 7y ago> full-service dealers advertise their wares is through Snapchat or WhatsApp: Oh dear, just because a snap disappears doesn't mean a record doesn't exist. While Snapchat (I don't know about WhatsApp) says that they "typically" don't retain your expired story data, you only need one of your friends/followers to be using a third-party app that does capture and retain data for your record to persist. I'm guessing that the moment an account is of interest to law enforcement, a social network organization is obligated to start persisting and reporting account data.
- therealx 7y agoMost snapchat/whatsapp dealers are 100% fake. Engage with them and see how fast it turns into the same scam language someone on Craigslist trying to buy your item from another state is.
- 0xdeadb00f 7y ago> Most snapchat/whatsapp dealers are 100% fake You'd be surprised how dumb some dealers can be. (This also depends on the location). I may or may not know of people who used to operate on Facebook Messenger, Instagram, but Snapchat is surprisingly popular. Most dealers who have half a brain use Wickr (it being closed source; I still don't approve, but it's better than Snapchat).
- bigzyg33k 7y agoWhatsApp/Text message is a really common form of marketing for dealers in London
- rkangel 7y agoIt's raising the bar to where you need a warrant though. It means that the police can't just subscribe to that person and see everything that's gone on.
- mcnichol 7y agoThis writer is brilliant. Never have done (and really never was that interested in) drugs, but the air of mystery and cat & mouse that he wrote in was just fantastic. A very serious subject with very real consequences but what a ride that story was. Well written and well played.
- seisvelas 7y agoHaha here in CDMX I live a few blocks from Tepito and you can't walk in on a busy day without someone trying to sell you weed or coke. I personally stick to my drug of choice: pambazos. I don't even want to quit.
- not_real_acct 7y agoWhen I went on vacation to Europe, that was one of the most noticeable differences from the United States. In Prague in particular, people were aggressively selling drugs. And I look like a complete Square.
- yessenia1 7y agoThe last paragraph claims police DDoS attacked a site. Is this legal?
- pg_is_a_butt 7y agoWho would arrest them? The police routinely murder youths... just another day.
- melcor 7y agoDepends on what laws you're considering. So not knowing exactly which country the server was located in or the country the police that enacted the DDoS are from it is hard to say if it's legal or not.
- jalla 7y agoWho will sue the police? Who will investigate the police? LEA and intelligence agencies operate in legally grey areas because the know they can get away with it and the politicians are happy that results can be shown. Parallel construction is often used, involving private sector 3rd parties.
- spacemanmatt 7y agoCO cops just won on appeal for demolishing a home to catch a thief who made off with a shirt and belt from Wal-Mart. It's doubtful they could be held accountable for pigging up a computer network.
- henearkr 7y agoI completely agree that legalization and education is the only rational solution. In many countries people are already too confident in the legal system to make life choices for them, and they tell with a straight face that anything "is good for health because else why would it not be made illegal already?".
- henearkr 7y agoOkay I am going to contradict myself a little bit now... actually, today the state is also healing people when they are sick, using tax money for that. So, just letting people make themselves sick and then suck up tax money to get back on their feet is very counterproductive... which is why "prevention" is so important, and why so many substances are regulated or forbidden.
- x220 7y agoThe state is not a business and does not have to make decisions based on the cost/benefit analysis from a monetary or tax collecting perspective. In the US for example, LSD and psilocybin are illegal even though there is zero chance for chemical addiction or dependence. In Canada and the US you can get a prescription for Klonopin, which sounds roughly as addictive as cocaine. People have gone to rehab for Klonopin addiction--for a prescription anti-anxiolytic!
- henearkr 7y agoBut it has to be somewhere in the lawmaking process. Imagine there is a perfect but very costly cure for Alzheimer, imagine the price to cure one person is equivalent to the GDP of the whole country. On the other hand, you cannot let people harm themselves and then do everything to save them. What is the cost to repair somebody who went out of his way to cut his hand in a very dirty way, such that it would take hundred of hours of surgery?
- x220 7y agoIn democratic countries the politicians care about how the expenditure looks to the public. People think that 5 billion dollars in welfare is a lot of money, so it's hard to spend more welfare. People do not think that 5 trillion dollars on "defense" is a lot of money, so it's easy to spend more money on defense even though it has at best dubious return on investment.
- bsimpson 7y agotl;dr: A dark web drug marketplace was well-secured, but a competitor was not. Frustrated law enforcement is rumored to have DOSed the well-protected site to drive buyers to the less-well-protected site, which was promptly seized by LEOs.
- rambojazz 7y agoI'd rather not know that an article exist than being told "you have 1 free article this month".
- neonate 7y agohttp://archive.is/wwOyk http://archive.is/wwOyk
- pvaldes 7y agoMedicines: Schedule a free consult with the doctor in your healthcare area. Obtain a stamped and signed recipe based in his/her professional opinion. Ask for the product in the next pharmacy and exchange your recipe for the product. Pay a small amount or nothing at all. Say thanks and have a good day. Finish. Illegal drugs: Are you fishing? Good try.
- ur-whale 7y agohttp://archive.is/wwOyk http://archive.is/wwOyk
- doublerabbit 7y agoAgora was another market who made sailed off in to the sea keeping true to their words. Everyone got their money from escrow, no one was scammed and was always under DDoS. One of the true market legends of the time.