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Linux Journal Ceases Publication: An Awkward Goodbye
- ashayh 7y agoOh no. I've been a digital subscriber for years! I hope they release their archives.
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- katzgrau 7y agoMeanwhile, more than half their audience likely had ad blockers in place.
- nerdponx 7y agoFitting that this was one of the last articles they posted (by Eric Raymond): https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/loadsharers-funding-load-bearing-internet-person https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/loadsharers-funding-loa...
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- nerdponx 7y agoIssue download archive: https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/pdf/dljdownload.php https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/pdf/dljdownload.php If you have a big hard drive sitting around somewhere, please save these! I'll see if I can't get them uploaded to IPFS myself eventually. (edit: Got too excited, should probably wait and see what they're planning to do w/ respect to licensing)
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- rhblake 7y agoThe PDF downloads aren't working, but the HTML archive (all issues, 1-301) works fine: https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/LJ/ https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/LJ/ There's also a ZIP with issues 1-293 (March 1994 to December 2018): https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/LJArchive2018.zip https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/LJArchive2018.zip (805 MB)
- jonah-archive 7y agoWe're pulling them into the Internet Archive now. Very sad to see this one go... lots of memories.
- smoyer 7y agoI think it's time for me to retire from engineering.
- akulbe 7y agoMister Moyer! Long time no talk, my friend. Please don't retire. Between you and Colin H., I learned a lot. I'm grateful!
- smoyer 7y agoCalling me "mister" was never required (and makes me feel old). Working for start-ups (or start-ups within large companies as was the case with ARRIS gave me the opportunity to constantly teach people my job and then create a new one for myself. I don't have the personality to repeatedly do anything so this was pretty ideal. How are you doing (I haven't logged into LinkedIn for a while)? Still out hiking the beautiful NorthWest?
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- akulbe 7y agoThis makes me sad. I loved this magazine, and looked forward to every issue.
- steve19 7y agoThis makes me so sad. Would be great if the magazines pdf could be uploaded to the Internet archive.
- guiambros 7y agoHuge bummer; I've used to read LJ for many years and have fond memories. Hope they release the entire archive before shutting down for good. * edit 1: a better link would be https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication-awkward-goodbye https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-pu..., directly to the article. * edit 2: also, lots more comments from staff and readers on Kyle's twitter feed, at https://twitter.com/kylerankin https://twitter.com/kylerankin
- bsagdiyev 7y agoThey had/have a script that would let you download the recent edition via CLI, I don't think the panel works anymore to grab the PDFs but I used their script as a base to grab all the past issues and keep them backed up, I'm glad I did that now. Edit: I spoke too soon, looks like they opened the page up for anyone to grab them now. Check it: https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/pdf/dljdownload.php https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/pdf/dljdownload.php
- boramalper 7y agoCan you download them without subscription? Or if I became a subscriber, would I be able to download previous issues too?
- bsagdiyev 7y agoIt sounds like I may have been mistaken and it is still walled off. There is an archive of issues up to 2018 here: https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/LJArchive2018.zip https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/LJArchive2018.zip -- I know this works for sure since I downloaded it from a server of mine a few hours ago. Since the main issue download page is still restricted to members it seems, I'll hold off on sharing my mirrored copy of all the previous issues just so I'm not being a dick.
- stefco_ 7y agoLinks say you need to log in; by “anyone” do you mean subscribers?
- tonystubblebine 7y agoKyle! I'm so sorry to hear this. It's a long shot, but I'm interested to see if we have the resources now to give this another life. I FB'd you about it, which is I think now a dumb way to reach you.
- tonystubblebine 7y agoIt might not be financially possible, but if it were, I'm curious what the community reaction would be. Essentially, as a fan of LJ, would you pay a $5 subscription to Medium to see Linux Journal continue there with maybe (I'm estimating w/o knowing traffic numbers) 15 new articles per month? LJ's editor, Kyle, and I both lived north of San Francisco when he was writing for O'Reilly and I was working there. And that's what I pitched him: the basic Medium offer is very O'Reilly-like, at least compared to the general web. There's a simple trade-off. Publish behind a metered paywall (very un-GPL, but O'Reilly books are their own kind of paywall), and in exchange get money to invest in the quality of the articles. I'm kind of iffy on the details beyond that. I helped start a programming publication on Medium recently and I don't know if the right thing to do would be to have LJ be separate or be inside that publication. But I do know that I see a lot of Linux publishing where the articles seem light. I think money to the author (or maybe it's money to an editor) would help that. But obviously, there's the flip side which is that culturally there's a bias that information be free. :shrug: I just want information to be accurate! And given the number of Linux pubs, I think at least one of them has got to be in a situation where both the quality and the check book would be improved inside Medium.
- grepgeek 7y agoDid they try to ask for donation? Linux Journal has a huge reader base most of who probably grew up in the 90s and early 2000s. Most of these readers are now probably working professionals and earning well enough to donate a small amount to Linux Journal on a monthly or yearly basis to keep this journal running.
- nabakin 7y agoLooks like they have a patreon https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=10705728 https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=10705728
- _eht 7y agoI would rather donate to them directly, personally.
- self_awareness 7y agoIsn't Patreon a direct donation?
- SSchick 7y agoThey do take a cut, that's their business model.
- paulryanrogers 7y ago10% not including payment processing fees. I know they need to keep the lights on but that seems steep to me.
- ygjb 7y agoseems like a lot of room for competition...
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- deca6cda37d0 7y agoThey should contact the team from archive.org to make sure everything is archived properly.
- jonah-archive 7y agoWe're on it :)
- Jerry2 7y agoBless you. And this reminded me to donate to Archive again. Please, folks, donate to Archive so we don't lose all the amazing things they've archived over the decades. As for LJ, so sad to see them go. I was a subscriber since 2012 or so. I'm still hopeful someone buys out their assets and resurrects the journal at least in an online-only form.
- Waterluvian 7y agoThe website layout is counter intuitive on mobile. Anyone else wondering where the article is, tap on the red header picture.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoThanks, the layout is no better on web. Direct link: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication-awkward-goodbye https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-pu...
- droithomme 7y agoIt was a good journal that I enjoyed. I salute them.
- sohkamyung 7y agoFull goodbye message at [1] [1] https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication-awkward-goodbye https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-pu...
- lovelearning 7y agoIsn't there any service that allows one to subscribe to baskets of magazines by topics, and handles payment distribution to them with some mutual agreements? I think many of these online mags suffer because there are too many of them each with its own payment schedule, and people don't really like to set up dozens of subscriptions.
- povertyworld 7y agoI had hoped Apple News+ would be a way to access and compensate all the great small niche magazines like the stuff you see in Casa Magazines in Manhattan. Instead it was the most generic stuff that's in every supermarket check out line. I know they have to appeal to a broad range of people, but you'd think Apple would appreciate all those music, art, and culture magazines. Maybe there was no easy way to include them, but for a company with that many resources they should have found a way.
- Kaslyn 7y agoI agree that Apple's News service is disappointingly pedestrian. The reason for its mediocrity illustrates the problem that original publishing has with the current market. When these mega corporations post their yearly earnings, those earnings are the result of a focus on the lowest common denominator. The Art, Music, Culture stuff doesn't mean much aside from marketing. Any business that gets its primary funding through niche markets withers after they scale to their maximum sustainable size.
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- vertis 7y agoI used to be a loyal subscriber to Linux Journal and would await every issue. Then I started getting junk mail from (if memory serves me) ACM. When I pressed them about it they revealed that they'd gotten my physical address from Linux Journal. I cancelled my subscription and never picked up another copy. I can't help wonder how many other people got annoyed at that kind of behaviour given the cross over between Linux and Privacy. Note: I'll still mourn it's loss because it had a huge impact on my teenage years.
- mehrdadn 7y agoHow do you "press" an organization? Every time I've tried to ask someone where they got my info they either ignored it or refused to tell me. Did you have some kind of leverage over the ACM?
- xeromal 7y agoI'm sure those ads were started the first time they were pressed for money
- justin66 7y agoLetters from the ACM. That must have been so hard for you.
- asark 7y agoI'm pretty sure all magazines do that. I just buy issues I want on ebay now, after being burned by that. Cheaper than the "discount" subscriber rate, cheaper than buying backissues directly from the magazine. Ebay's probably selling all my info too but they've already got it anyway.
- pontifk8r 7y agoDamn you, Millenials!
- stickupkid 7y agoMost if not all Millennials are in their 30s and are often scapegoated, even though the cohort you're trying to blame are generation Z, which isn't helpful either.
- mindfulplay 7y agoIt's really interesting to note that on the same day that MSDN Magazine said they are ceasing publication, Linux Journal says too.. Completely random but interesting.
- pts_ 7y agoMagazines all over are obsoleted unfortunately.
- watersb 7y agoMSDN Magazine was published by Microsoft? I was a subscriber for about five years. Very deep dive, very Microsoft culture. LJ was an independent magazine, I think. That is, not paid for by Linux Foundation or major distributors like IBM or Canonical. Ad and subscription support.
- siffland 7y agoin 15 years when everything is online, mazagines will become a retro item and will be in again, like records and cassettes.......for a short while.
- Corrado 7y agoFor context: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/08/microsofts-msdn-magazine-for-developers-will-end-its-decades-long-run/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/08/microsofts-msdn-maga...
- superkuh 7y agohttp://techrights.org/2019/08/08/linuxjournal-rip/ http://techrights.org/2019/08/08/linuxjournal-rip/ and http://techrights.org/2019/08/07/lf-fund-laundering/ http://techrights.org/2019/08/07/lf-fund-laundering/
- kazinator 7y ago> Linux Journal Ceases Publication ... again. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15826220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15826220
- Nemo_bis 7y agoI suppose London Trust Media is not bankrupt, so is Linux Journal LLC free to be sold? It's sad to lose jobs etc. but at least a non-profit caretaker to host a static copy shouldn't be too hard.
- sn41 7y agoVery strange. Early yesterday morning, I thought out of nowhere: "hey! around 2011 or so, our lounge in our organization used to have Linux Journal. Wonder what happened to that subscription?" So sad to see this happen. I personally would like this to continue, as I am sure many of my generation of programmers.
- YeahSureWhyNot 7y agoand patreon is down for maintenance when this article is on HN main page
- johnnyAghands 7y agoSad to see this go; any recommendations for a good alternative available in Canada?
- timattrn 7y agoLet's hope lwn doesn't suffer the same fate... if there are any LJ subscribers who don't subscribe to lwn, I hope they may take out a lwn subscription.
- spidey1 7y agolwn?
- tech-no-logical 7y agohttps://lwn.net/ https://lwn.net/
- yla92 7y agoReferring to https://lwn.net/ https://lwn.net/. It has a subscription plan to fully access their content at 7$/mo.
- rffn 7y agohttps://lwn.net/ https://lwn.net/
- autarch 7y agoLinux Weekly News - https://lwn.net/ https://lwn.net/
- akuchling 7y agoLinux Weekly News focuses on substantive technical content, like today's article on the Linux kernel's use of the switch statement: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/794944/a5770e282352a2e6/ https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/794944/a5770e282352a2e6/ Or today's article on the CTF debugging format. They're pretty much the only resource aimed at intermediate or advanced developers that's written to be highly technical but not academic.
- throwaway8941 7y agohttps://lwn.net/Articles/5409/ https://lwn.net/Articles/5409/
- pjmlp 7y agoI have been a subscriber since 1997. Even when my focus switched back to Windows, I kept subscribing to it (there were a few times failed to renew though), because I saw value on them. Sad to see it go, apparently we weren't enough to save them, on a generation that doesn't want to pay for their tools. Free beer tools, free beer information, free beer everywhere. And then good quality stuff just vanishes.
- IloveHN84 7y agoWell, considering the boom of streaming services across young generation, that's a free attack. Other reformulated: People change interests. Unfortunately Apple is taking the cake of the most desirable gadgets manufacturer and of course Linux never got that traction (how many years have we read about 'This is the year of Linux Desktop'?).
- IloveHN84 7y agoThe worse part is when a Big $$$ Corp uses free tools and never pays back to those who worked hard. Most of the Cloud Services are using opensource and free tools to gain billions of dollars yearly, but how much do the Linux community gets back? Maybe $25K once in a while
- trilila 7y agoFree of charge foss is bluntly silly unless it’s software that saves lives or greatly progresses science. To think there are so many great devs out there, spending their own time and dime to build free of charge software which is then commercially exploited by cloud providers is just sad.
- Symbiote 7y agoHow many developers work on FOSS for free? I don't. My employer wants our FOSS core software developed, or wants the bugfix/feature in the FOSS we depend on. I know people who work for free, but use evidence of that to get well-paid contract work. Even the guy I know working on a scientific library does that to further his academic career. I'd be interested to know the situation for significant desktop software (Firefox, Gnome, KDE, a video player, media player, LibreOffice).
- imode 7y agoBetter call Jason Scott. :(
- SwellJoe 7y agoThis quote is particularly biting: "It became clearer than ever to me that while Linux and FOSS had won the battle over the tech giants a decade before, new ones had taken their place in the meantime, and we were letting them win." It's true. We won it all, but we somehow still lost, and that's a difficult and sad thing to realize. Even though FOSS ate the world, we didn't win software freedom, we just enabled a bunch of new tech giants to put us into consumer roles with little to no freedom once again.
- throwaway2048 7y agoarguably its an even worse situation, at least in the bad old days of Microsoft hegemony you still had the program itself, and your data. Now cloud providers give you nothing to run if you stop paying them constantly, and in a lot of cases, say goodbye to your data too.
- kebman 7y agoThe latest move of Flickr feels like my pictures were suddenly taken hostage. I decided to not pay them for that reason. Never negotiate with hostage takers lol! :'( I was a pro member before, when they actually had a good service for pro members, but one day they sudden decided it was going to be free for all time, only to change their mind... That's a goodbye for me.
- chipotle_coyote 7y agoI can understand why you're upset, but I can also understand Flickr's point of view: the "they" who decided it was going to be free for all time was Yahoo!, and they were by and large pretty terrible stewards of the service. And it's hard not to think that the stereotypically Silicon Valley "give it away for free and hope you find a way to monetize down the road" attitude is part of what nearly killed Flickr under their management. The "they" who own it now is SmugMug, and I don't think they can be blamed for deciding that the only practical way to monetize Flickr is to, well, charge for the service. Personally, in most cases I'd much rather pay directly for a service than get it for free from a company whose business model is "try and monetize it through advertising, mining user data and/or dark patterns and shut it down if all of those fail."
- pts_ 7y agoI thought the bash trap command article was a part of a long goodbye. That was indeed awkward.
- new_guy 7y agoI'd never heard of them before seeing it here, but it's probably something I would have paid for. Maybe it was a lack of advertising?
- bArray 7y agoIn terms of archiving efforts... How big is the server? Would be great to keep this mirrored somewhere.
- cwilby 7y agoPosts are currently being archived to https://archive.org https://archive.org. I was curious about this too, I found a blog post from 2010: https://blog.archive.org/2010/07/27/the-fourth-generation-petabox/ https://blog.archive.org/2010/07/27/the-fourth-generation-pe... Some mention of Docker recently in their technical blog. https://blog.archive.org/category/technical https://blog.archive.org/category/technical
- trilila 7y agoLinux journal, firefox and others are all victims of the free of charge obsession of the foss movement, and they all struggle financially. Hoards of developers want to escape their jobs and join wilderness of independent software development, yet they write software that’s free of charge, reducing scarcity and enabling their cloud corporate overlords to monopolise everything they touch at near zero licensing costs. End the free of charge part of foss and save these great products by charging at least enough to stay afloat.
- nfoz 7y agoHow do you propose that we charge for FOSS?
- oehpr 7y agoBug bounties. If people want a feature or a bug fixed, they can vote with their wallets. That strikes me as an equitable model. However we need to culturally accept this idea before it can gain traction.
- trilila 7y agoBug bounties are an option, but there are plenty other options. I.e.: do not charge indie devs or small companies until they reach a certain amount of revenue, and make the code available to anyone paying or not - that's what FOSS is about IMO. If there is something that really benefits the world out there, then indeed it can be unlicensed.
- icebraining 7y agoIf you make the code available to anyone not paying, why wouldn't the big corps just use that instead of paying?
- majewsky 7y agoUniversal Basic Income would be a start. I for one would love to do FOSS development full-time, or at least 75% part-time next to a small salaried job.
- reuven 7y agoI've been writing for Linux Journal since 1996. Two years ago, we were told (with zero notice) that the magazine was shutting down. This was disappointing on numerous levels, and I wrote about it here: https://lerner.co.il/2017/12/01/sad-day-end-linux-journal-2/ https://lerner.co.il/2017/12/01/sad-day-end-linux-journal-2/ This morning, I woke up to discover that once again, Linux Journal is shutting down -- this time, for good. I'm sad for myself, but I'm also sad for the many amazing authors and editors with whom I've worked over the years. I've also met a huge number of readers at conferences at clients' offices, and I'm sorry that the magazine will no longer be around to serve them.
- pbhjpbhj 7y agoDo you think some of the same content might make it to other publications, or will most of the writers stop producing Linux articles?
- reuven 7y agoI'm going to keep blogging and writing my free, weekly Better Developers newsletter about Python and related technologies. (Not the same circulation as LJ, but more than 13k subscribers.) I don't know about the others, but I hope they continue writing, as well.
- workingwriter 7y agoDoc Searls said on Twitter that the magazine might continue "as a labor of love." We'll see what that means. Meanwhile, there are two commercial magazines still focused on Linux: Linux Format in the UK and Linux Pro, based in Germany, but also published in the US. I'm planning to submit the stories that were in the LJ publication pipeline to these places, but you probably won't get as much information. The regenerated LJ allowed writers to go much deeper than elsewhere.
- pvaldes 7y agoHum... all I remember is that Linux Journal closed years ago. Moral of the history: Don't say that you close if is not true. You'll lose a good chunk of your readers even if you reopen later
- DonHopkins 7y agoLooks like Linux Toady's httpd server is taking a knee in sympathy. https://www.linuxtoday.com/ https://www.linuxtoday.com/
- kys228 7y agoWhy would you pay money to LJ when all their content was always available for free on all other websites?
- xiaoxiae 7y agoN. C
- nashashmi 7y agoThey have shutdown before about 1.5 years ago. Then a private investment group took over. https://itsfoss.com/linux-journal-discontinued/ https://itsfoss.com/linux-journal-discontinued/
- ape4 7y agoThere is still Linux Magazine http://www.linux-magazine.com http://www.linux-magazine.com
- acd 7y agoI hope we can invent new revenue models to support quality journalism! We need free as in freedom press which does not get paid through ads. Sad to see Linux journal close down. It was a very good magazine!
- acollins1331 7y agoWhat a bleak point of view. Why is it a battle against tech giants? Just don't use Google shit if it bothers you. There's more FOSS material out there than ever before and it's easier to use too. Why can't everyone win? The consumer that wants some crappy Google service and someone like us that wants to download their stuff from GitHub? Why do tech giants HAVE to lose for us to feel good?
- AdmiralAsshat 7y agoI started subscribing to them due to a Black Friday discount. I wish I had read them longer, as they seemed to be a practical, valuable resource for developing my skillset. I'm also sad to see them go because they were one of the few magazines that offered an EPUB download option, so that I could read them on my Kobo. Does anyone know of any other digital magazine distributions that offer the same?
- boramalper 7y agoI've saved it! Here is a backup mirror: http://linuxjournal.as.boramalper.org/secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/ http://linuxjournal.as.boramalper.org/secure2.linuxjournal.c... If you'd like a copy too, please download & seed the torrent instead of scraping: http://linuxjournal.as.boramalper.org/linuxjournal.torrent http://linuxjournal.as.boramalper.org/linuxjournal.torrent
- kgwxd 7y agoWhat did you use to do that?
- boramalper 7y agoGood old wget :) wget -mkxKE -e robots=off https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/ljarchive/
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- rietta 7y agoThank you. Joined the torrent.
- zanonljf 7y agoCould you make a mirror and torrent of the 170 PDFs as well? They go back to April 2005. You can find them at ljarchive.neverlocate.me/LinuxJournal
- boramalper 7y agoI am afraid that might be illegal as they did not un-paywall the PDFs yet.
- dave7 7y agoAll PDFs on this page: https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/pdf/dljdownload.php https://secure2.linuxjournal.com/pdf/dljdownload.php appear to be un-paywalled now (they were not yesterday).
- bubblehed 7y agoI'm sad to see LJ go. I have been reading this on and off since the 1990s, not long after I received my first floppy disk with Slackware on it from a friend. I failed to renew this year. Now I wish that I would have.
- padraic7a 7y agoThere seems to be a crossover between Linux Journal and Purism. Is that just a coincidence / confluence or was there a formal / funding relationship?
- johnmarcus 7y agoHe works full time for Purism, he was only a contributor from what I gathered in his last farewell.
- padraic7a 7y agoYeah, Lunduke got involved in both relatively recently too.
- johnmarcus 7y agoidk, i just read this article from top to bottom https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/what-linux-journals-resurrection-taught-me-about-foss-community https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/what-linux-journals-res... and quite frankly from the attitude expressed in that article, I'm not too surprised at the outcome. There is a very elitist and condescending tone - which is vaguely masked by "learnings", but if you continue reading, is still clearly there at his heart. New people coming to "Foss" are still "frat party like keggers" apparently that spit on nerds and need to learn how to dork out harder, while there are supposedly still "nerds" that lack the proper skills to socialize with others. That was his final takeaway. I think the opposite is true - millennials (if I may) appear to be one of the most compassionate demographic groups in society. If you worked for any modern startup, you would see they care deeply about minorities of every angle in society - LGBT, Women's equal Pay, Black Lives Matter, etc...these are all initiative of the "newcomers" whom haven't been around since 1996. In contrast, he writes "These days, you're just as likely to see popular kids, jocks and MBAs using technology and writing software. There's even a "brogrammer" designation given to software developers who culturally are more akin to fraternity members. " Are there brogrammers? For certain, they exist - but they are actually a tiny minority, if you pay attention. It's a stereotypical cliche that is humorous, but by far are not representative of most software developers in 2019. I think the hostile attitude that somehow we're "not cool enough purists" because we still need to work for closed source companies in order to pay the rent and feed our families. It's that sort of attitude that sinks Linux ships. The linux that has thrived is the linux that realizes it needs to co-exist for a very long tail journey until business models - the way capitalist systems work at their very core - are able to transform. I wish we could all work for altruistic companies like Purism, but the truth of the matter is the past 25 years of Linux Journal's existence was paid for by subscribers, that get this, worked for non-FOSS companies. That's the reality. I'm not trying to take away from Kyle's contribution from the Linux Community, or say that Linux Journal shutting down is a good thing in any way. I just think it needs to be said that Linux Journal failed because Linux Journal failed - it didn't appeal to enough people in enough ways. Didn't attract modern developers to be interested in it's articles. And heck, didn't appeal to people outside of programming - which, btw, is actually the key to successfully moving Linux in the upward direction. You can't expect all of society to "top level nerds". Some people need to dance. Some people need to paint. Some people need to pick up the heaps of commercial trash at 5am. All of these people have computers, and any failure to appeal to them is the authors faults, not their own. Linux thrives when it recognizes this - Ubuntu, Mint, Manjaro, PopOS!...these are the platforms becoming the most popular desktops - and for the first time making Linux desktops feasible for the dancers of the world - because they put down their elitist 'hollier than though because I was there at the start' and 'you must obey the 10 Commandments of FOSS in all parts of your life' attitudes. Sorry to be such a *ick here, I don't intend to rub salt in the wound. I hope it's received more as constructive feedback than a low blow. Just calling it as I read it.
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- beaconfield 7y agowhoa - this is very sad indeed...
- kraig911 7y agoLinux Journal I think putting the magazines out with live cd's of linux mandrake in 1998 is a huge part of why i'm able to feed my family today. I put a computer together and ran out of money to buy windows... Thank you guys for that.