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India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius
- marvel_boy 7y agoIt is normal?
- krtkush 7y agoNo.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoIs a record temperature for the state of Rajasthan. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/at-50-8c-churu-logs-highest-ever-temp-in-raj-met-issues-red-alert/articleshow/69615598.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/at-50-8c-chu... edit - not quite a record - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Rajasthans-Phalodi-sizzles-at-51C-highest-ever-temperature-in-country/articleshow/52349772.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Rajasthans-P...
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- factorialboy 7y agoYes
- factorialboy 7y agoGo ahead and down vote. It remains a fact that Rajasthan crosses 50 degrees celsius every summer.
- ChrisGranger 7y agoThe downvotes are likely a result of the single-word reply, with no supporting source for the claim, not for the claim itself.
- beckler 7y agoTechnically summer doesn't start until June 21.
- chrisseaton 7y agoSummer solstice? That's midsummer, not the start of summer.
- wongarsu 7y agoAt least in Europe the summer solstice is regarded as the beginning of summer. It takes months for the land and water bodies to warm up, so this definition makes the seasons line up with temperatures observed in Europe. Depending on geography it might make less sense elsewhere, just as not every place has four seasons.
- chrisseaton 7y ago> At least in Europe the summer solstice is regarded as the beginning of summer. I think in Europe it's called midsummer - middle of summer. That's what Wikipedia says as well. > Traditionally, in many temperate regions (especially Europe), the summer solstice is seen as the middle of summer and referred to as "midsummer".
- wongarsu 7y agoAt least in my experience the summer solstice is called midsummer, but is not (any more?) regarded as the middle of summer. According to [1] summer is commonly seen as beginning in June, with the exact date varying between the first, the 21st, the day of the summer solstice (20th/21st) or the end of May. [2] gives some insight into the mechanism causing this definition of the seasons. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer#Summer_timing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer#Summer_timing 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_lag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_lag
- manojlds 7y agoWhere? May-early June is peak summer in India. Schools actually start early to mid June.
- ajnin 7y agoThe 50.8°C temperature is the highest-ever recorded temperature in Rajasthan. The previous time it went over 50°C was in May 2016. So no, it is not "normal" temperatures and it is not a fact that they go that high every year.
- xenator 7y agoSo, then it becomes "normal" for now.
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- albertzeyer 7y agoIf this is normal, then you imply that the article linked by inflatableDodo is wrong? Btw, I was kind of impressed, when visiting India and speaking to a few locals, that they don't see climate change to be a real thing, or at least to be such a big problem, and much overrated. The claim was basically that it was always very warm, and it is just normal that way, and they don't expect it to become much warmer. I'm not sure if that is just anecdotal or if that is the major opinion by locals.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoThe article I posted does appear to be wrong. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Rajasthans-Phalodi-sizzles-at-51C-highest-ever-temperature-in-country/articleshow/52349772.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Rajasthans-P... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-36339523 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-36339523 That said, it does not mean that it is normal either. There appears to be a cluster of temps over 50 recently, but before that you seemingly have to go back to 1956 to get over 50 degrees. I could be wrong again however. If someone has better data, I'd like it if they could link to it.
- shripadk 7y agoIt is just anecdotal as opinions in India change every few kilometres. However, the Indian Government has made its stance clear on Climate Change: https://www.undp.org/content/dam/india/docs/undp_climate_change.pdf https://www.undp.org/content/dam/india/docs/undp_climate_cha... and: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/view-will-modi-spur-global-inaction-into-action-on-climate-change/articleshow/69609716.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio... > The claim was basically that it was always very warm, and it is just normal that way, and they don't expect it to become much warmer I think they might have misunderstood you. They might have thought you are talking about weather and not climate change. Human body may not notice slight changes in temperature but the ecosystem does. For instance, those locals you spoke to may not have personally experienced any change but if you had instead asked them about droughts, drying of wells or yield of crops they would have definitely given you a totally different reply.
- feiss 7y agoMaybe
- LASR 7y agoIt is now.
- sametmax 7y agoNo but expected.
- puranjay 7y agoLast year, May was very benevolent with cool weather. June was absolutely brutal with temperatures close to 40C even at 8pm in the evening. All in Delhi. This year, May has been brutal already and I dread to think what June has in store. This is coming after a very long and very cold winter.
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- fiblye 7y agoIn dry climates with such hot temperatures, staying hydrated and sweating will keep you cool (or rather, keep you cool enough to not die). What happens when temperatures like these are reached in high humidity zones where sweat just sticks? Will we simply have entire communities that lack air conditioning dying off?
- Tepix 7y agoThey will turn into refugees. That's part of why we expect hundreds of millions of climate refugees in the coming decades.
- noir_lord 7y agoYep I think mass migration is inevitable. Given the absolute mess migration was out of Syria into Europe (and that was comparatively minor) I think it's going to be unpleasant. Once it starts it'll snowball as well instead of an orderly evacuation it'll be pell-mell. Sometimes think it would be nice to have a single rational world government so that we could deal with these things on a species level. Of course if we had a single rational world government for any length of time we wouldn't be in this mess.
- cheez 7y ago> Of course if we had a single rational world government for any length of time we wouldn't be in this mess. No, you would be in another mess.
- Filligree 7y agoThat other mess might be preferable. I'd say this will get bad, but that wouldn't cover it. We might well see gigadeath.
- cheez 7y agoTake the way the US is run and make it global. Alternatively, take the way North Korea is run and make it global. This is the only way it could work. As a third alternative, take the way the EU is run, and make it global. What are the problems? There is way too much diversity for a single entity to handle the various aspects.
- fouc 7y agoThat's 122 F in americanese.
- Isinlor 7y agoThese temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a thermometer covered in water-soaked cloth (wet-bulb thermometer) over which air is passed. Sustained wet-bulb temperature exceeding 35 °C (95 °F) is likely to be fatal even to fit and healthy people, unclothed in the shade next to a fan; at this temperature our bodies switch from shedding heat to the environment, to gaining heat from it.[8] Thus 35 °C (95 °F) is the threshold beyond which the body is no longer able to adequately cool itself. A study by NOAA from 2013 concluded that heat stress will reduce labor capacity considerably under current emissions scenarios.[9] A 2010 study concluded that under a worst-case scenario for global warming with temperatures 12 °C (22 °F) higher than 2007, the wet-bulb temperature limit for humans could be exceeded around much of the world in future centuries.[10] A 2015 study concluded that parts of the globe could become uninhabitable.[11] An example of the threshold at which the human body is no longer able to cool itself and begins to overheat is a humidity level of 50% and a high heat of 46 °C (115 °F), as this would indicate a wet-bulb temperature of 35 °C (95 °F). The 2015 Indian heat wave saw wet-bulb temperatures in Andhra Pradesh reach 30 °C (86 °F). A similar wet-bulb temperature was reached during the 1995 Chicago heat wave.
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- ramraj07 7y agoWhat caused Chicago of all places to reach that temperature?
- joezydeco 7y agoChicago regularly gets heat waves in that range, but moisture coming from the plains via heavy rains and/or agricultural crops contributes to the humidity levels which really are the killer. A temperature inversion also happened that July, so no wind and pollution stagnated over the city.
- jjuhl 7y agoIf this happens frequently enough in sufficiently populated areas, then the resulting population die-off will eventually reduce the energy need and resulting carbon outlet and things may stabilize. Sucks for the people involved. But globally speaking, it may not be so bad.
- dependsontheq 7y agoWould you write the same thing about Houston or Paris? If not it’s just racist.
- jjuhl 7y agoWhy not? I just said "sufficient populated areas". That does not mean only India. Nothing racist about it. I mean, globally speaking, wiping out New York City and all the people in it would also provide a benefit.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoI think you have made your position completely clear. You first please.
- jjuhl 7y agoMe first what? I don't get what you are saying / you don't make any sense to me. I'm glad I have apparently made my point clear. But what is yours?? And please don't pull that bogus racist card again. Race has got nothing to do with any of my comments.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoI never said it did. However for my views on people using the term 'race card' please see my replies to tinus_hn. Now this isn't personal to you specifically, however in regard to your query, Me first what?, I have long thought that people who advocate the benefits of depopulation by mass die-off, should generally lead by example.
- jessriedel 7y agoThe 50 C number was observed in a desert. Death Valley, California, also a desert, spend 5 consecutive days above 54 C in 1913, the year it set the temperature record of 56.7 C.
- gingabriska 7y agoActually it's also bad in densely populated areas where the bitumin starts melting and sticks to your car tyres and shoes. I traveled there.
- 21717117 7y agoFor the Americans, bitumin is aka asphalt.
- arnaudsm 7y ago"The thermometer hit 50.6 degrees [...] in the Rajasthan desert city of Churu." Churu has 120k inhabitants, you can call that a population center.
- jessriedel 7y agoThanks, you're right. Edited.
- ramraj07 7y agoJust as a note, you can put a pin in Any random location in India and it'll be 80% a village or town with a good amount of people living. A train ride through the nation in any non-national park route would show that you very rarelt see a stretch of land go more than a few miles without a couple houses.
- captn3m0 7y ago120k people is definitely not 80% of the map.
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- yantrams 7y agoThis has been the case almost every year this decade in India. Also, it is quite common for the government departments to fudge data and report temperatures > 50 Celsius as 49.x to avoid halting work / paying extra to those working under the Sun because there are regulations concerning this. Edit: I got to know about this practice being rampant through an activist in the South who is well versed with the labour laws.
- harias 7y ago>regulations concerning this Never heard of this. Do you have a source?
- sn41 7y agoI have never heard of this. In my experience, in central India, the district officials in many places are overactive in declaring daytime curfews when the temperature passes 45.
- nonamechicken 7y agoI am not sure if this is true. This is from my state (which is in South India) this year (March-April) when the temperature was in the 35-40 degrees range. Highest recorded was 42 degrees I think in a border district. I don't think South India crosses 40 most of the time. One place reached 47 in 2016 [3]. >With mercury levels in Kerala rising this summer, the state’s Labour Department has issued an order allowing mandatory break time for labourers to avoid sunstroke. All labourers in the state who are exposed to sunlight which could potentially lead to a sunstroke have been ordered to rest indoors between 12 pm and 3 pm during the summer months. >“Those working in the morning shift will get a break from 12 pm to 3 pm. Their work timings have been fixed at 8 hours from 7 in the morning to 7 in the evening. For the other shifts which begin after morning and post noon will be rescheduled to end before 12 pm and begin after 3 pm,” read the order. >In 2018 too, the State Labour Department had issued a similar order to reschedule the shift timings of labourers during the months of February and April to avoid exposure to heat from 12 pm to 3 pm. [1] [1] https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/kerala-govt-orders-mandatory-break-time-labourers-avoid-sun-stroke-97548 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/kerala-govt-orders-man... [2] https://english.manoramaonline.com/districts/thiruvananthapuram/2019/03/28/labour-department-crack-down-hotels-staff-heat-wave.html https://english.manoramaonline.com/districts/thiruvananthapu... [3] https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/hottest-places-in-india-320941-2016-05-19 https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs...
- AFascistWorld 7y agoImagine the ever-growing demand for ACs and the ever-decreasing amount of water. Luckily for India, it has a long shoreline.
- anandaverma18 7y agoI am observing it in my farm where I have installed precision agri devices from Fasal (https://fasal.co https://fasal.co). Fortunately, during this period there wasn't any active crop. Showing new crop now.
- harias 7y ago>Fasal >Founders: Ananda Verma and Shailendra Tiwari No self-promotion, please. At least keep it relevant.
- caymanjim 7y agoThis sounds shocking to a lot of people, but it's not new or unexpected, and it's not even that uncomfortable if you have shade and water. I don't mean to downplay the risk to those who don't have shade or water, or who have to work exposed, but it's not as scary as you might think. I lived in Tempe, AZ for years, and summer temperatures would regularly be over 45C/113F. I walked or biked four miles to work in that. There were a few days when it hit 50C/122F, and while you didn't want to be exposed to the sun for long, it was tolerable. Low humidity makes a huge difference in what you can put up with.
- awakeasleep 7y agoYou're missing the effect of humidity. Our bodies rely on evaporative cooling to reduce heat, which is why we sweat and why you need water. When humidity is above 50% evaporative cooling stops working, so temperatures slightly above our body temperature become lethal.
- bdcravens 7y ago> Low humidity makes a huge difference in what you can put up with.
- caymanjim 7y agoRajasthan is a desert. The city mentioned in the article, Churu, currently has a humidity of 11%. I mentioned Tempe because it's nearly an identical climate. I've spent time in Ajmer, India, which is pretty close to Churu. It was only about 45C/113F when I was there. Obviously this is all anecdotal, but my anecdote here isn't off base.
- z3phyr 7y agoIts absolutely not localized to Rajasthan. Almost the whole of north india is under a heat wave. And we recorded 37% humidity today in Delhi (The capital) with 47 C temprature and hot winds.
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- enitihas 7y agoI think humidity is a big problem in a lot of places in India with high temperature. In my village in easter UP in India, summer was intolerable because of high humidity and shortage of electricity. (We used to have 8hours electricity per day, but sometimes outages would happen and would go unrepaired for week to month). It was impossible to do anything but take a hand fan and use it to cool yourself. A lot of the time thus went wasted in doing this completely un productive work. Now that I live in a place with somewhat better weather and 24x7 electricity, I feel what a privilege it is. It pains me to see a large fraction of humanity has to spend a large portion of their time using a hand fan for survival.
- aq3cn 7y agoNow days, you can get 24x7 electricity in tier 1, 2 & 3 cities. I am not sure about villages. Our country is almost power surplus nation now.
- enitihas 7y agoThe amount of people living in tier 1,2,3 cities should still be less than people living in villages I think. Anyways my village still continues to get abysmal electricity.
- eklavya 7y agoThat’s hard to believe, there are still power cuts (even if for 1-2 hours max) in summers.
- SJetKaran 7y agoDepends on the particular states. Some states have the necessary economic resources to buy power at peak hours when necessary.
- wtmt 7y agoGet 24/7 electricity from what source? The state run power producers don’t provide this in many tier 2 cities (pick some names and check). I strongly doubt if all tier 1 cities (except probably Mumbai) get power 24/7 either. Power is cut during summers, during rains, and at other times very regularly. There are plenty of reasons and excuses for that to be happening.
- amai 7y agoIran can top this easily: "the temperature was 53.7 degrees Celsius, which is 128.7 degrees Fahrenheit" https://eu.usatoday.com/story/weather/2017/06/29/129-degrees-iran-earths-hottest-temperature-ever-recorded/440644001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/weather/2017/06/29/129-degrees... The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_index, which also takes humidity into account, hit an incredible 142 degrees.
- piyushpr134 7y agoWell before you guys start doomsday predictions, let me tell you that Churu is in Rajasthan which is in Thar desert. Temperatures like this, even though very high and uncomfortable, are not unheard of. We are in midst of a very hot summer but it is not something out of ordinary and yearly cycle (we don't love our summers). We are eagerly awaiting monsoon to arrive in India (early june is when it hits our shores). After rains arrive, we expect our dams to fill and possible water scarcity to end
- wongarsu 7y ago> We are in midst of a very hot summer That's the problem. No matter what you think about climate change, summers are undeniably getting hotter. This might not be a doomsday, but it's something that will become more common and eventually will affect more populated areas.
- piyushpr134 7y agoThat I agree with you. And I believe that climate change is real. Definitely summers are getting hotter, and winters are getting colder and extreme weather events more frequent. Just that it is not yet a doomsday scenario
- z3phyr 7y agoI just recovered from a stroke in my own locality. Drink water every 15 minutes guys. It is very painful if you don't and a dreadful time.
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