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Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications
- treve 7y agoGnome and KDE seem so close in polish these days, it's hard to decide which one to run and I keep on going back and forward.
- magduf 7y agoIt depends on if you like features and configuration options or not. If you don't like features and don't want to be able to set any configuration options, go for Gnome. Otherwise, KDE.
- kermitismyhero 7y agoKDE these days seems like configurability-overload. I appreciate the flexibility but it just feels excessive to me. I think a lot of the options should be tucked away into an equivalent of Firefox's about:config. For me, something like XFCE has the ideal config panel complexity. (Of course, it's all subjective.)
- AdmiralAsshat 7y agoThere are ways that the configuration can be done for you, however. There's a "Use Desktop Layout From Theme" that would pull in any layout changes from a theme you install. When I found out that you could apply a theme and, with a few clicks, have KDE fashioned into something that looks indistinguishable from Unity, I almost switched to it just for the novelty. https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/make-kde-plasma-5-look-like-ubuntu-unity/ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/make-kde-pla...
- magduf 7y agoKDE could use some work in the design department, with a lot of the menus and UI stuff getting an overhaul, but without actually removing functionality (just moving it around to be more sensible, and not overloading new users with too many options at once).
- simion314 7y agoIf you want customization(do not like the default) is safer to use KDE, with Gnome you need extensions and if you check the Gnome reddits and forums you will notice that latest updates broke the popular extensions again. Also for accessibility reasons, AFAIK Gnome does not show the font size in the default settings app, this is the first thing that i need when I want to install Linux, I put the LiveCD in and then go and enable the zoom and large fonts.
- brimstedt 7y agopersonally I find gnome's filesselector unusable, whereas kde's is great.
- TheCraiggers 7y agoLast I tried, you couldn't type direct paths into the fileselector or the file browser, basically requiring that you mouse your way around. I found that extremely aggravating and went back to KDE almost immediately.
- symlinkk 7y agoYou can, simply press Ctrl + L. It's funny to me that you switched desktop environments instead of Googling that.
- TheCraiggers 7y agoWell, it wasn't advertised, and I argue it's a basic feature of a file picker / browser so it should be very obvious. To be honest, that was just the final straw. I was already unhappy with Gnome for a variety of reasons, that was just one of them.
- hadrien01 7y agoCtrl+L has always worked for me, it highlights the path field.
- inetknght 7y agoHaving a key sequence is fine. Remembering the key sequence is annoying. Every OS and UI wants to have it different. Modern OSes even get rid of hints and text so people don't even know that a key sequence is available.
- ghostly_s 7y agoThis shortcut has been the same on MacOS, Windows, and most Linux DEs for ages. Can't please everyone, I guess.
- stefan_ 7y agoUhm, which is to say, horrid? Because polish is the last thing that comes to mind with the abomination that KDE is. The defaults are literally to spam you with notifications because a single fricking file copy finished. Hello! We have SSDs now! No one is fucking waiting for their file copy to finish! If you copy 100 files, no one wants 100 notifications!
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- dqybh 7y agoThat design is terrible. Is anybody working on design for KDE now or do they have developers writing interfaces?
- sergiomattei 7y agoI can't be the only one that dislikes KDE's typography. I see that notification pane and aside from color, nothing gives it typographical hierarchy. It just looks odd to me.
- dqybh 7y agoNo hierarchy, bad sizes, bad padding, no different colours, etc etc. It's just terrible design, as I've said in another comment which has been promptly flagged. Seems like the only proper criticism is to write the code myself to fix it? Because I'm passing, I don't use KDE, and I don't need to write code to see when a design is amateurish.
- geolgau 7y agoI don't know what theme he was using but my setup looks so much nicer. It depends a lot on the theme, font choice and rendering.
- jimbo1qaz 7y agoMaybe the notification heading should be bigger and/or bold? IDK about the app title.
- sdegutis 7y agoAll the UI and UX in general looks like it's from 2007. I know that it's volunteer work and I don't want to downplay the generosity of those who contributed to it, but I do wonder what's causing the delay in catching up to modern aesthetics. Is it a technical issue? Is there too much bureaucracy to overcome? Is there a shortage of UI and UX developers?
- sk0g 7y agoDoes it solve the infinite appending issue though? Basically, every Slack message would append to the same notification, so after 4-5 notifications, I'd just see old ones and a ... line, making the notifications useless. This also went for the update centre, etc. Also when notifications decide to just stay on screen indefinitely because of... Reasons.
- shrimp_emoji 7y ago>infinite appending issue though? I've never experienced this. Particularly, I don't experience this with Discord, and Discord is to Slack what a bee is to an ant, which is why I juxtapose it. (And I would ask if it might be something on the Slack side, but you say it happens with everything.) >Also when notifications decide to just stay on screen indefinitely Never had this either. Might have been bugs. If you're on Ubuntu or another point release distro, those kinds of bugs also stick around, IME, because your DE version stays stagnant and the bugs are only fixed in subsequent versions.
- inetknght 7y agoOn the other hand, I've had it with Slack, Discord, Skype, and most anything that uses the OS notification system; using Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04. So while it's not KDE, it's certainly something relatable.
- sk0g 7y agoYou might be on to something, I had it with Kubuntu, but not, as far as I can remember, with Manjaro or KDE SUSE.
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- funkiee 7y agoIs lack of horizontal padding part of the KDE aesthetic?
- mediocrejoker 7y agoThis is the first thing I noticed too. The text is too close to the leftmost border and feels very claustrophobic.
- inetknght 7y agoClaustrophobic? That's your opinion. It looks great to me.
- JadoJodo 7y agoOf course it's an opinion; They said it "feels", not "is".
- lone_haxx0r 7y ago> It looks great to me That's exactly why we've seen scientific slide presentations in Comic Sans. It looks great to someone != it's good.
- arendtio 7y agoI am not sure if there really is a lack. I mean, I think I see what you mean, but given the fact that those are notifications, they are probably meant to feel 'thin' to not attract too much attention. Another factor might be that those small, focussed screenshots are just not the appropriate format to show how those notifications would look like in the context of a complete desktop. But in the end, it is also possible that there is an unintended lack of horizontal padding.
- inetknght 7y agoLack of horizontal padding? What padding do you want? There's clear whitespace between everything. I for one definitely like and want more compact information. I definitely do not like the trend for making information more sparse. Leave that for your blog; business runs on information.
- alexandernst 7y agoWhy KDE keeps rewriting every single component every few years? Is that because of improper design/planification or because of bad implementation?
- arendtio 7y agoMaybe just to improve it ;-) And to be honest, I think the notifications area required a bit of optimization. To me, it feels like it is also one of the components that received more optimizations than any other component already, but it also seems to be a little more complex than you would expect on first sight.
- themodelplumber 7y ago> The old notification plasmoid was originally written in 2011 Where "few years" means 8 years? :D By all means rewrite software when it is 8 years old. A lot has changed in that time and the author notes that user expectations have changed, which leads me to the... ...false dichotomy you offered. User expectations and the code base not supporting those is the stated reason.
- diffeomorphism 7y agoThey don't. What you are probably referring to is how they reimplemented lots of components from kde3 to kde4. This was due to a switch to a new major qt version, at which point porting is a big enough amount of work that you might as well improve things while you are at it.
- marcosdumay 7y agoBecause it's modular. If KDE was a monolitic project with insufficient tests, those details wouldn't improve. Instead, I'd bet developers would be fast at removing current functionality when unavoidable changes add hard to track bugs.
- ru999gol 7y agoevery few weeks KDE forgets all my panels because of connecting/disconnecting external displays and KDE having horrible multi display support. KDE is so full of bugs like that its really frustrating, like the task manager forgetting which screen they are on or shift getting stuck when connecting an external keyword, etc. etc. But I've made my peace with all the bugs being a fact of life, using it for 8+ years.
- nisa 7y agoYou are not alone. I really like KDE and enjoy using it mostly but it's full of bugs but every other day I'll attempt to use GNOME and I'm back in no time. I'll share the display issues - something deep inside calls random() on monitor resolution and position - I'm sure! I've switched to Arc Dark and Numix Circle Icons and it's not ugly anymore. I don't know why they still ship Breeze with that broken padding by default. But it's really getting better every release.
- lonk 7y agoOver-engineered notifications
- ris 7y agoPlease stop redesigning things that work (and are debugged) just for the fun of it. I've only just upgraded past the iteration of KDE which decided to steal focus with its notifications, no matter how much I customized kwin's focus stealing prevention. My current iteration's plasma system tray will stop expanding every couple of days. Reproducible on two systems. It's fun. I mean, how many times can you redesign a logout screen, really?
- andrewrothman 7y agoNot sure why there's so much negativity in this thread. Thanks for spending the time to improve this. I love that KDE can show notifications from my phone via KDE Connect. It's not without its problems (the design could improve, and I'd love support for android quick respond actions if they're possible) but overall seems like great work.
- jeroenhd 7y agoI've been using KDE Connect on my phone with GSConnect in Gnome and I can safely say that KDE connect is what made me boot Linux more than Windows. I've been dual booting for ages but the ability to copy text and send files across the network with a standardised interface made my life a load easier.
- xparco 7y agoLooks ghetto like most Linux UI, needs more padding
- Insanity 7y agoLooks good! Kudos to the developers who put time in this!