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What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?
- ufologist 7y agoI think this class of UFO (the floating tic tac) is the result of secret rail gun testing projects, with novel inertial guidance packages inside them. Hence the lack of any obvious propulsion. They’re a new kind of guided ballistic penetrator, maybe with aerogel exteriors, and steerable internals.
- mimixco 7y agoHow does an object fired from a rail gun ascend from the ocean floor or hover over it?
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- ergothus 7y ago> is that there is no real way to distinctly classify something like a UFO or USO in such a way that it gets reported and an investigation occurs on an official level within the military. This is what is all about. A UFO is probably not an alien, it is probably a human mistake, an innocent flyer (weather balloon, etc), or a non-expected craft (civilian, enemy, etc). If the military doesnt know about them, isnt trying to figure out which, and isnt improving its ability to determine which, then it is ignoring data and allowing intel and intel training to lapse. In other situations it might pay off well to have those skills, practices, and policies established. It's not mysterious, it's not exciting, it's just just military paying attention where it is boring yet useful to pay attention.
- acct1771 7y agoOnly useful if it doesn't expose your own projects/secret associations.
- SteveNuts 7y agoMy guess is it's the US military projecting. They've almost certainly got covert flying vehicles cruising around so naturally they'd want to know about any sightings of their own craft, or an enemy doing the same thing in the airspace. What better way to gauge how well the tech is working than by crowdsourcing the sightings?
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- maxander 7y agoSoon they’ll be A/B testing stealth designs. “Model AST—12-7 flying over NYC generated 23 reports of UFO sightings, whereas model TYR-X3 generated 5 along the same route; moving forward, we should adopt TYR-X3 for all chemtrail operations...”
- giancarlostoro 7y agoWith everyone glued to smart phones it is getting easier and easier to be "stealthy"
- RandomBacon 7y agoIt's also a lot easier to get evidence.
- DuskStar 7y agoThere's actually schemes to detect stealth aircraft through the changes in signal strength they induce in cell phones below their flight path. Not precise enough for targeting, but good enough to put up a plane to confirm...
- heavenlyblue 7y agoAssume this only covers stealth planes flying below the height of the base stations?
- mrob 7y ago"Let me underline this again for you, the Nimitz encounter with the Tic Tac proved that exotic technology that is widely thought of as the domain of science fiction actually exists. It is real." Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A blurry video and some eyewitness reports are not extraordinary evidence. Humans lie all the time, but very rarely discover new physics.
- beyotf45dluyt 7y ago>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No, it doesn't require extraordinary evidence. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11406-016-9779-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11406-016-9779-7
- Judgmentality 7y agoI appreciate you providing a link, but am hoping for a tl;dr after realizing just how long that article is.
- the_duke 7y agoYou may acquaint yourself with the concept of an abstract: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_(summary) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_(summary). The one in question has 1326 characters, which is, I dare say, quite manageable.
- Judgmentality 7y agoThanks for the snark. I read the abstract and found it uninformative, but I guess I should've mentioned that.
- mimixco 7y agoI like TL;DRs, too and sometimes post them myself, but not every subject can be reduced to that. Sometimes you just have to read or write long form documents. What's the TL;DR for WWII? What's the TL;DR for the taxonomy of animal species, or how to run a nuke plant?
- 781 7y agoIf these incidents were aliens, I would expect a lot more reactions from the military, politic, and financial markets. All reactions seem muted. Secondly, why would aliens reveal themselves in such a way? Either land on the White House lawn or stay out of sight. This 50 year UFO appearances, with some but not really a lot of witnesses, don't make sense for me.
- 0x8BADF00D 7y ago> Secondly, why would aliens reveal themselves in such a way? It is a possibility if those “aliens” are biological humans in possession of technology far superior to anything we have now. Then you’d want to keep it a secret.
- hiccuphippo 7y agoWhy keep it a secret? If we somehow where able to meet humans with a technology level below ours, wouldn't it make sense to give them technology to better themselves?
- colordrops 7y agoWhen has the human instinct ever been to give away an advantage over others?
- jcranmer 7y agoJudging by the number of times people have tried and failed to prevent knowledge of "advanced weapons" from leaking... pretty much all of human history.
- colordrops 7y agoleaking != giving away
- remir 7y agoWhy would you give powerful and highly advanced technology to a race that is constantly fighting itself and doesn't value its native environment enough to protect it?
- YeahSureWhyNot 7y agothis is probably military needing new legal framework to operate according to now that china plans to land and stay on the moon, India has tested satellite shooting weapons and russia has been investing in its 'space force'
- gspetr 7y agoEfficient Anti-satellite weapons are low-tech if we are talking about space-to-space combat. Heck, I read an article in Russian that argued that bows+arrows or catapults/ballistae could be efficient weapons when compared to lasers that you see in SciFi.
- YeahSureWhyNot 7y agoclaiming to be able to shoot down a satellite with a catapult is not the craziest argument a russian may have made.
- thewallofhenry 7y agoThey are just preparing the public for the shit tons of satallites and drones there are about to be everywhere watching us. "Oh good its not a UFO it is the UberMcDonald's Delivery Drone Mothership."
- dfilppi 7y agoThere are graduate studies programs shorter than that article.
- jfoutz 7y agoI have a lot of biases in my vision. Optical illusions are clearly one example of exploiting those biases. I suspect there are a lot of biases in processing return signals from radar, an expectation of motion like things actually move. So, if i had the resources of a nation, and some idea of how radar actually works, i could build a device that actually made a steady turn from, say west to north, look like something else. I know very little about how radar works in the nitty gritty details, but i know a little bit about how our eyes are fooled by optical illusions. dynamically changing color, and maybe some little helper parts that fly away and change color or produce smoke would really mess with my eyes. it's weird how fireworks always fly right toward you no matter where you stand, right? Extending that to radar and infrared seems totally reasonable. Also, my eyes have a lot of evolution both adding biases, and ensuring those biases don't mess up very often. Automated systems don't even have 80 years of engineering effort to accurately represent what's happening.
- neom 7y agoI'm not really one for compilation videos, but I stumbled across this one when looking for info on the tic tac incident and it's pretty interesting - 4 Most Compelling Videos Of UFOs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pgMfzTEZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pgMfzTEZc
- holler 7y agoThe thing I don't understand is where did they get the footage of the F-18's chasing it? And why did they only get/release a few seconds and not the entire video? If it's this important, then why only release a sneak peek?
- Spooky23 7y agoThe last time this got a lot of publicity in the 80s, it was cover for tomahawk missile testing. The other possibility is some nut job in the administration has a pet project.
- 64738 7y agoOr nut jobs (plural), unknown to or untouchable by the administration, have a pet project ;)
- AgentME 7y ago>missile testing This reminds me of something I saw that I never really talked about. Maybe about 7 years ago, I was out bicycling at around 10pm at night outside of Socorro NM (a small desert college town), and to the west I saw a light appear from behind some mountains steadily heading up and north in a slightly curved path. I thought it was a plane or a helicopter until it suddenly disappeared after about 30 seconds. I assumed it turned off its lights or that I somehow misunderstood what I saw, but a minute later, a new light appeared from the same original spot, followed the path again, and disappeared. This sequence repeated maybe ten times. I assume it was some kind of missile test that I saw. The White Sands Missile Range was 10+ miles to the southeast (the wrong direction), though I think I remember there also being other explosive testing ranges nearby to the west. I would love to know what exactly I saw, though I never knew how to go about finding that out even if the information was published somewhere.
- Evidlo 7y agoCrown flash, maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dapweXhhfLU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dapweXhhfLU
- AgentME 7y agoNah it was way after sunset, it was definitely a point light source, the repetitions followed a strict schedule (I had started watching the time after the third one), and it had the steady motion you'd expect of an object with mass propelling itself that an illusion wouldn't necessarily have. It really seemed like a fast plane in the distance at night, and I wouldn't have given it a second thought had it not been for the disappearance or the repetition. I believe I saw a puff of light when it winked out, but it was hard to tell. The mountains it appeared behind were 10 miles away, and it was probably further than that. The town was surrounded by various explosives testing ranges. Occasionally everyone would hear the loud thump of a bomb being test during the day. Mythbusters was known for using some bomb range nearby. I'm pretty confident it was some kind of military or scientific test I saw, I'm just mainly curious about the specifics.
- moneytide1 7y agoIt is a tactic within itself to report on your own operations as "something unidentified that moves in ways we don't understand" just in case it is seen by the naked eye.
- holler 7y agoRegardless of whether any of it is real, it's a win-win for TicTac!
- nprateem 7y agoIt's obviously some viral marketing campaign where they've developed advanced propulsion systems purely to get in the media.
- brian-armstrong 7y agoThis article seems to imply it must be a craft of some kind, but I'm not convinced natural phenomena can be ruled out. As an example, ball lightning is still not particularly well understood and behaves in rather peculiar seeming ways. The speed that this 'object' moved at makes much more sense if it's entirely electromagnetic in nature.
- soulofmischief 7y agoIsn't this most likely just a response to the surge of drones over the last half decade? I imagine UFO sightings have proportionally increased and thus the number of ad-hoc reported sightings within the Navy finally crossed the threshold. It could even be a foreign government or spy agency doing amateur reconnaissance with new tech. As the article states, > The lack of a structured procedure and classification system, and the nebulous fear of being stigmatized by reporting things like UFOs [is] something that has long plagued the military and private sectors alike There is also the nebulous fear of people overreacting whenever you finally decide to implement these common-sense policies. You must be hiding something, even if you were ironically just trying to be more transparent. I don't mean to sound like a denier. The released IR footage from the same observation period [0] is incredible and, if real, proves that high-G maneuvers without exhaust or aerofoils exist and we are still lacking some very fundamental understanding about the nature of gravity. I also found the article to be well thought-out and that it covered most of the most obvious answers without trying to paint a particular picture. I'll have to pay more attention to Rogoway. Speculating on the shape of the aircraft, would the round tic-tac shape provide the least average air resistance in every direction provided an aerofoil is not needed for flight? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk
- nabla9 7y agoHere is Skeptical Inquirer article about 'Tic Tac' incident. https://skepticalinquirer.org/2018/05/navy_pilots_2004_ufo_a_comedy_of_errors/ https://skepticalinquirer.org/2018/05/navy_pilots_2004_ufo_a...
- shadowprofile76 7y agoOne major problem with sites like the skeptical Enquirer is that they exist to serve their main purpose -to be skeptical. This by itself is fine to an extent and much of their content can and does legitimately debunk nonsensical and unfounded claims. But when your main purpose is skepticism, it can become self serving to the point that you cherry pick arguments, evidence, cases and lots of other things in order to always ensure that a known explanation can be found no matter what, even if it has to be stretched thin. Unknown things do happen, forcing them to conform to a certain easy bracket of the known is its own type of irrationality.
- BurningFrog 7y agoSurely military planes are equipped with enough cameras that they don't have to rely on verbal pilot eye witness stories for these things?
- dmix 7y agoI don’t think there’s a real scientific problem here that needs solving, it’s mostly appeasing the pilots so they have some bureaucratic black hole to write down their concerns and management can just say “okay we have a record of it, we’ll let you know if anything comes up”.
- swalsh 7y agoThat's a big part of this article, it talks about a network of censors. Since stealth crafts are typically only stealthly at certain angles, the combination of multiple view points would highlight any stealth objects, and that merged picture could be broadcast to all assets in the area. It also happens that experimental network was the place the incident occured, and it seeminly recorded everything. Shortly after the incident uniformed officers came and confiscated the recordings.
- chasingthewind 7y agoBad UFOs also covers this ongoing story from a skeptical perspective. https://badufos.blogspot.com/ https://badufos.blogspot.com/
- sgt101 7y agoSo, what if the US Airforce.. or CIA.. have technology that can bugger around with the cockpits and instruments of US Navy fighters? Or arbitrary other aircraft cockpits. Now, they don't want to say that they have this, but they want other people (like the Russians and Chinese and French) to know that they do have it. Or at least to make them think that they would like them to think that they have it. Would you see films like this?
- mimixco 7y agoHow does fudging instrument displays explain the visual sightings by humans? No agenda here, but I do think those must be assessed on their own merits or lack thereof.
- speeq 7y agoSeveral civilian aircraft reported UFOs over Ireland a few months ago - here’s an ATC recording: https://youtu.be/pv7x4dRye3U?t=300 https://youtu.be/pv7x4dRye3U?t=300
- lowdose 7y agoIs this from a confirmed source?
- speeq 7y agohttps://www.cnn.com/travel/article/ireland-ufo-pilots-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/ireland-ufo-pilots-intl/i... > "It came up on our left hand side (rapidly veered) to the north, we saw a bright light and it just disappeared at a very high speed ... we were just wondering. We didn't think it was a likely collision course .. (just wondering) what it could be," she said. > A pilot on Virgin Flight 76 added that his flight crew had seen "two bright lights at 11 o'clock (which) seemed to bank over to the right and then climb away at speed."
- qpiox 7y agoI have seen UFO-s twice. First time in early 1990ies, second time it was about 10 years ago. First sight looked like a formation of lights that moved in sync across the night sky in a straight line. The formation was long, like a long rectangle or long cylinder made of stars. Not too many stars, maybe a hundred. Moving slowly straight in the direction of it's length. I could not tell how far it was, so I can't really judge for the size of it, but it was "flying" higher than the peak of the nearby mountain (which is 1km high and about 10km away), and the lenght was comparable to 1/2 of the south-west ridge of that mountain which itself is aprox. 5-6km long. So the UFO would have to be at least 1km long if it was closer, but it could be many km long if it was further. My family members saw it, as we were on the balcony at home and had clear unobstructed view. I might exagerate about the size of it, but I really did saw it. It could be easily recorded if someone had a videocamera, but we did not. We always had a photo camera at that period but nobody thought about the possibility of taking a picture. We could have tried if we had film, but I don't remember why we did not try. We didn't even talk about the possibility. When you see something like it, it does not occur to you that you might need proof and that nobody will believe. But I don't care, since I saw what I saw. Of course there can be millions of explanations what it was, but there weren't any gived and nobody else mentioned seeing it when we asked around the next day. It could have easily been a formation of airplanes. The other sight, was when I was by the nearby river with my partner, who did not see the UFO. It was a regular summer night, and something flew across the sky, at extreme velocity, just like a meteorite does. But suddenly right before going out of sight, it changed direction nearly 90 degrees and continued with the same high velocity. It all happened in a blink of an eye, of course it would be very hard to have it recorded. The point of my stories is that you don't always have a chance to make a recording when you see something strange.
- 64738 7y agoExactly. I believe I saw one or more UFOs when I was kid, maybe 10 or 11 years old, while riding my bike to a local park. Three or four stationary white lights in the sky, equidistant from each other. Of note, this was in an early afternoon mid-summer day without a cloud in the sky. And they weren't drones, this was in the late 70s.
- DoreenMichele 7y agoFriendly reminder: UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, not Suspected Alien Aircraft From Another Planet. Asking "why the hell" the DOD would be interested in Unidentified phenomenon in its territory goes well beyond sensationalism and straight into stupidity.
- mkl 7y agoI think that's why people are wondering why they weren't as officially interested before. Most of the speculation seems pretty far-fetched, though.
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- StavrosK 7y agoI thought the same when I saw the article contain the line "related to encounters with what many would call UFOs". Well what else would they call them if they don't fucking know what they are?!
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- momentmaker 7y agoCheck out this documentary Sirius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_-HLD21hA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_-HLD21hA
- chimen 7y agoI'm quite familiar with S. Greer's work and I would recommend taking all his documentaries and videos not with one but multiple grains of salt.
- layoutIfNeeded 7y agoMore like those huge salt licks for horses.
- dontbenebby 7y agoMy favorite conspiracy theory (emphasis on theory, this is pure speculation) is they're Chinese drones. The logic basically goes that 3M accidentally created a force field[1] in a factory[2], factories are mostly in China now, so if "running a factory" leads to antigravity tech, China would be the ones to develop it. As much as "I want to believe", if it's true they're not American, it's quite possible they're not alien, just foreign. I've noticed a weird kind of racism in some folks who talk about China: they simultaneously think they'll conquer the world and that they can't invent technology on their own. It's certainly interesting logic to conclude "If it's not American, it must be alien". [1] https://www.wired.com/story/the-physics-of-plastic-sheets-and-their-invisible-force-fields/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-physics-of-plastic-sheets-an... [2] http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html
- ethelward 7y ago> I've noticed a weird kind of racism in some folks who talk about China: they simultaneously think they'll conquer the world and that they can't invent technology on their own. China is the new USSR :)
- LyndsySimon 7y agoThe US - both the general public and the state itself - vastly overestimated the capabilities of the Soviet armed forces. I don’t think that’s true for China, at least not today.
- gspetr 7y agoThe Soviets had vast presence in Europe and were credible ideological opponents. China is contained in South East Asia and poses no ideological threat to the West.
- instantwhat 7y agoAre you unaware of China's Belt and Road initiative? Confucious Institutes at U.S. universities?
- DoctorOetker 7y agowhy does this article keep returning anew on hacker news? The military wants people to feel no stigma for reporting observations they fail to explain on their own? Good, no problem with that, it is their duty to watch out for such contingencies. And they probably don't see it as their duty to explain and share footage of each and every incident, and the internal conclusions, ... because they don't want others to know their level of alertness, the resolution and sensitivity of their systems, ... Why is thedrive.com so intent on portraying such events as "unexplainable" by a collection of humans? They are re-creating the stigma by conflating UFO's with the seemingly impossible. I.e. even if it is "just a sensor malfunction" or "just an optical effect", it is important to the military that the human operators report these deficiencies up the chain of command: if accidental situations can fool the systems and operators (UFO sightings) into seeing things that don't exist, or misinterpreting things that do exist, then obviously: 1. such hallucinations could be artificially induced (think chaff, camouflage, ...) and hence it is important to take note of spontaneously arising confusing observations 2. such hallucinations increase the noise floor and distract from potential true invasions of air space: if you can address and learn from UFO sightings to improve sensor systems, then a true violation of air space requires less work to detect than if it is hiding in a stack of illusory UFO reports
- jvanderbot 7y agoHaving dealt with some of these systems, let me tell you up front, its entirely possible it's nothing. I've seen tracks like those suggested in the article pass directly overhead support vessels during maneuvers, and theres nothing there. It can happen a few times a day or even hour, and just means your sensor fusion is a bit janky. tfa: "This, in turn, provides very high fidelity 'tracks' of targets thanks to telemetry from various sensors operating at different bands and looking at the same target from different aspects and at different ranges." My take from last article: Let me tell you: fast tracks moving at insane speeds with sometimes-faint signatures are the norm. a perfectly calm sea, esp near shore, can create 100s or a 1000 spurious tracks if automated tools are trusted. The incorrect association of signatures to hypothesized contacts can produce "jumps" in their location, altitude that makes it look like inhuman maneuverability. Second, the proliferation of small aircraft does bias operators (and algorithms) to assume a real contact from small signatures, esp at low altitudes where noise is greatest. In a well integrated, multi-vehilce sensor network, a small false positive rate for each individual recognition and classication module produces enough bullshit to trick automated trackers into labelling targets. If we cant assume common sense filtering like "aircraft cant go from hover to mach 3 in one sweep", then the possible associations of sensor data to hypotheses is astronomical, and bullshit propegates. Its a mess when you integrate so many sensors and systems and try to make sense of the resulting noise.
- runjake 7y agoIf you watch the videos in the article interviewing crew members, they express great doube that these were sensor anomalies. They mention replacing equipment, doing several re-calibrations, and that the detections were multi-spectral and even corroborated on separate craft and sensor packages. I'm a former military avionics dude who worked on systems like this, including "black" stuff. I don't believe in extraterrestrials having visited Earth. Their explanations sound pretty on-target and baffling. But anyway, they address the concerns you bring up rather well.
- ianai 7y agoDo you think they’re actual anomalies? Ie something actually there that isn’t explainable.
- Tossrock 7y agoSince this is recirculating in the public consciousness, I'm going to repeat my pet theory: they're automated Von Neumann probes that have been in the solar system (and probably ~all star systems in the galaxy) for longer than humanity has existed, and are performing reconnaissance now that there are signs of intelligent life on the planet. I like this theory because it obviates large problems with other theories, ie crossing interstellar distances just to visit us (they were already here), the lack of observed Von Neumann probes when they should be common (now they've been observed), the idea that some earthly nation has managed to develop technology so far beyond all others and keep it secret (nope), etc.
- wbhart 7y agoWhy would Von Neumann probes make silent, sharp, right angled turns at impossible speeds with no visible thrust, defying the known laws of physics. It can't be evidence of aliens if it isn't even possible.
- 64738 7y agoThat makes no sense to me. If something is doing something, then it's automatically possible, which, if lacking another explanation, automatically means it could be evidence of aliens. And, defying the known laws of physics isn't impossible, either. We can't even know how much we don't know. That leaves a lot of wiggle room.
- Rodeoclash 7y agoI don't know "how" they do it, but those kind of motions do remind me of how AI agents move in computer games when unconstrained by the rules of physics.
- holler 7y agoperhaps some alien in another dimension was moving his mouse a different direction?
- Tossrock 7y ago
- Animats 7y agoThey may be US drones. If some stealth technology needs to be field tested, flying around a carrier group on a training mission is a good way to do it. Something like the XQ-58A Valkyrie combat drone or the BQM-167A target drone. Those are unclassified and have performance beyond what most manned aircraft can do. There are probably others that are still classified.
- mimixco 7y agoCorrect me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "drone" simply refer to an unmanned and remotely controlled aircraft? If so, being a drone doesn't explain how such a craft could defy what (the general public) knows about the physics of flight. Drone or not, how does something descend from 60,000 feet to 500 feet in a few seconds, as the story says?
- duncancarroll 7y agoI'm surprised the article doesn't reference the recent Bob Lazar documentary which deals with this alleged tech from a first-hand perspective (Bob was a whistleblower in a lab that worked on a kind of gravity drive, according to him.) It's quite well-produced, and it's probably the only UFO-related film I consider worth watching: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bob-lazar-area-51-flying-saucers/id1441638753 https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bob-lazar-area-51-flying-s...
- svd4anything 7y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Lazar§ion=3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Lazar§i... I don’t think anyone serious takes Bob Lazar seriously!
- drukenemo 7y agoWhy not?
- cowboysauce 7y agoHis story is full of holes. He claims that he has a master’a degree in physics, but cannot produce a diploma, his master’s thesis of the names of any classmates or professors. Furthermore, he has never demonstrated that level of knowledge of physics and the things that he does say are bizarre at best. There’s no evidence that The facility that he allegedly worked exists. There isn’t any trace of roads or any infrastructure for it. The location that he gives is right on the edge of the restricted airspace surrounding Area 51, which seems odd for a super secret facility. There are a bunch of little things. In one interview he mentions seeing an alien through a window in a door. His escort guard tells him not to look. Somehow the government is able to secretly reverse engineer alien technology, but can’t spring for some curtains? To put it simply, there’s no evidence to support it. He has never been able to produce a sample of any extraterrestrial material nor has he shown that he has any knowledge that is beyond current physics. Personally, I’m fond of [this idea](http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/ http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange...). Basically that Bob Lazar schmoozed his way into a job at Area 51 due to a chance meeting with Edward Teller. He brought people to watch a classified test (of experimental, but completely terrestrial technology) and got into deep shit over it.
- martamorena 7y agoI find it funny that people still believe that any alien object reaching us (just remember the engineering work necessary to do that and how many hundreds of years if not more we are away from reaching distant planets or galaxies) could be observed in the visual range or even with any kind of technology we have. And if they do, then it is on purpose. What purpose is that? Doesn't earth look tasty to them? It's much more likely that these are some military prototypes or spy equipment, unmanned drones, etc. or just pure imagination.
- bayareanative 7y agoApplying Occam's Razor: It's an elaborate disinformation campaign to persuade foreign adversaries to spend money on threats that don't exist. Inflatable tanks and planes of WWII taken to the modern era, long-con fakery facilitated and amplified by social media. NORAD could also vector a large white, odd-shaped aircraft with much separation from commercial traffic with their transponder switched off to seem like that rogue UFO. Throw in some CGI deepfakes to bolster the story. Testimonials about radar tracks with outlandish claims of impossible acceleration sans verifiable evidence to reinforce other-worldly mystique. Santa Claus isn't real and neither are purported robotic ETs reccying Earth's flora and fauna for an invasion.
- SubiculumCode 7y agoPerhaps you do not understand what Occam's Razor means when you lead off your explanation by describing it as an 'elaborate' disinformation campaign
- bayareanative 7y agoUS mil folks are having a good laugh behind the scenes. They probably trade X-Files memes.
- Geee 7y agoIf were talking about aliens, I think it's more plausible that these things live somewhere on the ocean floor rather than on an another planet.
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- chkaloon 7y ago"Someone or something has crossed the technological Rubicon and has obtained what some would call the Holy Grail of aerospace engineering." Hyperbole much?
- rogerdickey 7y agoNothing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headli...
- this_is_someone 7y agoSo, take this for what it's worth. I have known a few individuals who have been involved in various areas of the military. One was an aircraft engineer working on black projects. One was in COMSEC. One was a nuclear engineer. One of them walked into the wrong hanger once and was face-to-face with a disc type something-or-other that he was not supposed to see, and was basically told "You didn't see that, and don't ever say you did." One told of several incidents, and one in particular that was rather startling, tracking objects across North America that were going at seemingly impossible speeds and changing vectors in ways that would tear any convention craft apart. They were picked up on multiple instrument arrays across the country. One was working on advanced propulsion, real science fiction type stuff, but was moved to other projects when he started asking the wrong questions. I'm being deliberately obtuse here. There are reliable individuals. They aren't crazy, and they aren't conspiracy nuts. I am convinced that these things are not anomalies, and that they are terrestrial in origin. All but one of my afore-mentioned friends disagree with me. They think they are alien, but this is only their opinion. None of them had any "inside" knowledge that the military is aware of alien craft. But when you are an engineer, and know what's physically possible given our current level of technology and materials science, I suppose I cannot fault them for jumping to that conclusion. The thing is, calling it "alien" doesn't solve that particular difficulty. If you assume that the things are real, then what they are doing is physically possible. And if it is physically possible, then it is theoretically possible for us to do it. So applying occam's razor, you don't need to invoke aliens. It is far more likely that someone figured it out, especially someones with multi-billion dollar black budgets working over decades with the brightest minds on the planet.
- bbcfake 7y agoLies, hiding, coverups.. so many people are coming forward these days that you can simply laugh to government.. lol Top of that YouTube trying they best to hide and delete researchers accounts
- sheinsheish 7y agoalways amazed here at hackernews.
- ufo_bro 7y agoThe guys giving those interviews are real former military personnel, recruited as they completed their service, and are being compensated to perform on camera. This is all part of a secondary program that pairs with the introduction of new, highly advantageous technology. To each of those guys in the interviews, this is a way to earn a little extra cash now that they're effectively retired. There's likely a pay scale, where the higher ranking officers (the pilots) get paid more for their performance. They've likely all been trained on improvisational performance techniques, so that they can speak convincingly at in-person events. The program is there to serve as a deterent and create doubt about the new sensor fusion systems being deployed. Somewhere in the ranks of the military, there's always a little paranoia about a military coup. Air defence would be key to staging a successful coup. So, these UFO incidents are there to send a message with a wink and a nod, not to get any crazy ideas that there might not be some technological checks and balances built into these systems. To those of you that operate them, it would be wise to think twice before hatching any plans to hijack these systems or sell out to the enemy at a crucial moment. Note that the Navy and the Air Force are being stacked against each other, in this architecture of balanced power. Anyone getting ideas about seizing control or sabotaging these systems might experience a visit from little green men. Get it? So, the space alien MacGuffin is just window dressing for the larger con game. These stories create FUD about technology misuse among potentially corruptible staff.