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How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t
- entity345 8y agoTwitter is no more suitable to having conversations than SMS are. This is a case of trying to force a use case on a platform that isn't designed for it. Edit: It's getting very tiring to receive downvotes at every comment.
- benj111 8y agoAgreed, but showing messages in order? That's doable isn't it? I'd be annoyed if my text messages started displaying out of order.
- carc1n0gen 8y agoUsed to happen to me all the time around 2007. And yes it was very annoying.
- smrtinsert 8y agoThis still happens today - actually I get a lot of dropped and reordered messages in a very well covered area. People don't realize it because a lot of the time we unconsciously design our text messages to be disposable. The only reason I know is because I'm going through a big project and the big stakeholders are frequently communicating via text messages as well as phone and email. I've considered moving us to WhatsApp but we're nearing the end so its not that annoying, we just know to use it less.
- jtbayly 8y agoMine do on a regular basis on my iPhone. And "annoyed" doesn't even begin to touch it.
- retSava 8y agoSMS can be chained seamlessly to form longer messages. SMS is frequently between two parties, twitter is the opposite. I'd say SMS is very good for (asynch electronic) conversations between two people, twitter for one-way short thoughts that are fire-and-forget. But then, can we really call it a conversation when potentially twitter user base is included in the event? It's more like lotsa people on a town square, shouting. Including the town idiots.
- mosselman 8y agoThis is like acting surprised that a skateboard is not a suitable vehicle for going on a long vacation with.
- skywhopper 8y agoThe newsworthy bit is that Jack seemed tripped up by it, too. Why agree to an interview in a format that will showcase the worst aspects of your product?
- noobiemcfoob 8y agoMy theory is that Jack is trying to expose the flaws of twitter to the rest of the company. A way of bludgeoning the stubborn in the company by a blitz of bad press
- smt88 8y agoYou seem to be giving him too much credit. His recent interviews and (lack of) leadership have shown that he bludgeons no one, and the stubborn person is him. He's just an unusual kind of stubborn: unwilling to make any decision at all.
- marssaxman 8y agoThat, too, is a form of visionary leadership. He is protecting a bubble of chaos in which creative ferment can occur, by refusing to let outside forces impose too much order on it. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing depends on whether the bubble of chaos in question is working for you or not.
- smt88 8y ago> by refusing to let outside forces impose too much order on it He also refuses to let inside forces impose order on it. He doesn't do anything at all. I would call Twitter a camel -- a horse designed by committee -- but it seems it's not even that. He apparently just consults committees ad infinitum and then does nothing.
- kanox 8y agoTwitter sucks as a discussion platform but it excels as an insult delivery system.
- dustingetz 8y agoWhich is how it became a unicorn because it turns out that humans get addicted to being angry
- harryf 8y agoEspecially when you can deliver insults without the threat of receiving a smack in the face back
- mc32 8y agoI dunno about you, but most people don’t react to insults with physical injury, though in extreme cases that does happen. Not that baseless insults should be encouraged.
- morgancmartin 8y agoYes, but in person insults are less likely to happen because of the _implication_ of violence.
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- stickfigure 8y agomost people don’t react to insults with physical injury I'm not quite so sure about that. Most people don't hurl insults face-to-face. If people acted like their twitter personalities IRL, I would expect to see a massive uptick in fistfights.
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- easshvsh 8y agoTwitter was not made to have conversations. It is not a forum system. And that is not a bad thing. If you want to use a forum, why don't you sign up for one?
- perfmode 8y agoAre you saying jack should hav signed up for a forum?
- fredsted 8y agoI feel like Kara Swisher just handled this in a bad way. You can easily have a conversation on Twitter: you make a tweet, someone else answers it. Rinse-repeat. Jack would've just needed to load Kara's twitter profile and reply to new tweets. What am I missing?
- darkerside 8y agoThat wouldn't have made the news the way this did, now would it?
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- fredsted 8y agoSure, but now non-Twitter users will just think of Twitter as being bad for 2 way conversation due to this event/stunt. But I guess all publicity is good publicity.
- darkerside 8y agoI assure you Kara Swisher cares not. Turning this into a shitfest is a big win for her.
- marcinzm 8y ago>I feel like Kara Swisher just handled this in a bad way. Isn't it on Twitter, you know the ones running and presumably most familiar with the platform, to request how the interview be done rather than for the interviewer to know the nuances themselves?
- fredsted 8y agoNot sure about the back story of this. But it certainly seems like they didn't coordinate at all. @jack seemed very confused throughout.
- Finnucane 8y agoTwitter is basically broadcasting. Why would expect bidirectional communication?
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoWorks just fine for CB radio.
- yetihehe 8y agoDepends on where, I don't have CB because in my country it's as effective at delivering insults as twitter. I don't need insult radio when driving.
- VectorLock 8y agoCB radio: for when you need to road rage to an audience.
- Infernal 8y agoImagine CB radio where everyone has a transceiver with global reach though...
- cooperadymas 8y ago> Twitter’s 280 characters just don’t leave enough room for a nuanced conversation. Well, yeah. And cars are a terrible way to travel across oceans. The world discovered this ages ago. Kids, back in my day we only had 140 ch
- BoiledCabbage 8y agoRegardless of what Twitter is or isn't, how in the world is the CEO surprised by how his product works? And we're not talking some obscure corner case, but basic use case? Having a conversation was a learning experience for him and his team? Such a basic level of unfamiliarity with their own product gives me a lot of pause that he can do anything to guide the company on fixing rampant automated accounts or making it less of a frequently hostile forum.
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- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y agoTo be fair, this is a really atypical mode of using Twitter. Normally it's used for shouting at your audience/someone you disagree with. It's rarely used for true conversations, so I can somewhat see why the CEO is unfamiliar with its performance in that role.
- est31 8y ago> It's rarely used for true conversations Not a twitter user myself, but I've seen a lot of people use their twitter handles like they'd use an E-Mail address. They say "this is a twitter handle send me a DM if you want to talk with me" instead of "this is my E-Mail address please send me an E-Mail if you want to talk". So they do derive conversational value from twitter.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y agoDMs are chats. It's a totally different medium than tweets. Separate UI and everything. I can understand how you would not know this, since you don't use the product (neither do I, any more), so this is just an FYI.
- egypturnash 8y agoIt’s worth noting that DMs have a much more generous length limit than tweets. You can actually type an entire paragraph into a single DM versus the formerly 140, now 280 characters a public tweet is limited to.
- paulgb 8y agoTwitter is like a town hall where everyone can heckle. Here’s a tree visualization I made of a portion of the #KaraJack thread, which demonstrates the problem (and only includes a fraction of the non-Jack/Kara tweets): https://treeverse.app/view/pX89745H https://treeverse.app/view/pX89745H
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- aboutruby 8y agoI think only Reddit has mastered the large-scale discussion involving thousands or ten of thousands of people at the same time.
- fredsted 8y agoEh, maybe for people who've been using it for years. When celebrities do AMAs without guidance by experienced users, they constantly reply to the wrong threads or even the thread itself. Formatting being hard (e.g. you have to press enter two times to do a single line break) also doesn't help.
- lmm 8y agoMarkdown is the worst kind of formatting except for all the others. I literally don't know how to write a sentence with more than one asterisk in on HN, and I've been here several years. Formatting is hard but Reddit at least follows a known standard and has a "formatting help" link right under the comment box if you need it.
- StavrosK 8y agoI don't tend to agree with this, the biggest issue with Markdown is pretty much the double newline, and it only makes sense in places like email where you want single newlines ignored. On Reddit/HN where nobody writes comments with hard newlines unless they mean to change paragraphs, that feature could have been omitted.
- DCoder 8y agoAnd yet something as basic as a preview is missing. Reddit's community-driven browser plugin ([0]) at least adds that, HN's counterpart [1] sorely needs it. --- Come to think of it, is there a definitive guide to HN comment formatting? Implementing a preview feature in [1] would be doable if the markup is documented. [0]: https://redditenhancementsuite.com/ https://redditenhancementsuite.com/ [1]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhancement-s/bappiabcodbpphnojdiaddhnilfnjmpm?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhanc...
- kgthegreat 8y agoThis seems like an A/B test to find out if there is enough demand to open up twitter or improve twitter for some specific purposes.
- ekianjo 8y agoTwitter was never designed to be a conversation platform. It's like trying to make a boat fly.
- mcv 8y agoI've always considered Twitter an excellent platform for shouting into the void, but I can't imagine anyone would even consider having a conversation there.
- AndrewKemendo 8y agoTwitter was founded as a micro-blogging service, not a forum. It evolved into the anonymous comment section for the entire internet somewhere along the way. Seems like neither side were being self aware in this case. I'm also not sure exactly what the product problem is with Twitter. The only exposure I have to a group of people upset about Twitter are the folks that Joe Rogan had on his podcast, and their complaints are just that it's toxic. However Twitter unlike Google and Facebook is the least functional as a utility, so refraining from using it if you don't like it seems like a no brainer. You're not losing anything functional
- VectorLock 8y agoThe whole reason Jack and Ev feuded was over what they thought Twitter should be. Jack thought it was a better version of status messages on AIM. Ev wanted it to be a blog platform like blogger.
- seatdrummer 8y agoThe criticism is something like Twitter enables the worst in humans, it's a platform that can unjustly destroy one's character and career. From a product perspective, its working. Yet it is still a net negative, at least that's the claim. When someone is being doxxed, and mobs are forming, it's usually happening on that platform.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y agoDon’t you think the inherent design — “microblogging” — encourages a toxic environment? Most people aren’t poets or great writers, so I just frequently see people talking past each other or misreading what has been said because there is zero nuance.
- vonmoltke 8y agoI'm not sure the design is responsible for much of that. I see plenty of people on Reddit and this very site who talk past each other and skip straight over the nuance when it is presented. I also see favoritism shown to the "sound bite"-style comments over the thought out ones, particularly on contentious issues.
- b1llyhoyle 8y agoGetting lost in all this noise is Jack's willingness to have a conversation and also admit his product's shortcomings. How many other CEOs subject themselves to a similar, unscripted experiment? Kudos to Jack for being transparent and accessible.
- JeremyBanks 8y agoBeing transparent comes naturally when there's nothing there.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y agoThat was my first impression, but the guy has a history of saying the right things but no real action follows. It begins to become a bit hollow, like Zuckerberg saying they’ve made mistakes and need to do better.
- dannyr 8y agoHe's been saying he's gonna fix things for years and they are still a problem.
- chosenbreed37 8y agoI'm not sure what original goal Twitter had in mind. At the moment they appear to have 100+ millions of users and are valued in the billions of dollars. Even with the shortcomings and flaws people seem to use. Presumably people put up with the shortcomings and use it anyway. I found it funny that people went on Twitter to declare that they were deleting Facebook. I guess my main point is that whether intentionally or not Twitter has stumbled upon a formula that generally works. By that I mean people keep coming back to have their rant, to put someone else down, to share their joys, frustrations, sell their productions, etc
- rchaud 8y agoHis responses sounded pretty scripted. To a question on what Twitter has specifically done to combat abuse on the platform (a question that's been asked over and over for years now): 1. We have evolved our polices. 2. We have prioritized proactive enforcement to remove burden from victims 3. We have given more control in product (like mute of accounts without profile pics or associated phone/emails) 4. Much more aggressive on coordinated behavior/gamingAlso this wasn't a real-time face to face conversation, so you can be sure Aside from #3, all of these sounded like CEO-speak to me. No specifics, so nothing to attach personal responsibility to.
- no_gravity 8y agoThe main problem I have with Twitter is that when you reply to your own tweets, the reply will appear as a new tweet on your timeline. This way your timeline becomes total chaos. Unless you only tweet a single 280 chars text and never add anything to it. Otherwise, I would use it to post topics I am interested in. Reply to those topics to add more text or when new information becomes available. And have a discussion with people interested in those topics. I wish there was such a platform. It would be like everybody can run their own mini HN.
- aethertron 8y agoHow about Wordpress? What you're describing sounds to me like the standard structure of a blog with comments. Twitter is a weird sort of blog platform. It is chaotic by design: the chaos is consequence of its distinguishing features. Everyone does get their own 'mini HN', i.e. a forum. But they lack the tools to rule over that forum. It's idealistically anarchic. Everyone's expected to get along peacefully, totally in public. There's no ownership over threads.
- no_gravity 8y agoWordpress is a tool to make websites. Yes, you can put your content on a website and then link to that from Twitter. But that puts a big barrier in front of your content and the Twitter users. Visiting a website is usually a horrible experience. So people are very hesitant to do so. Click through rates from social media to websites are abysmal.
- aethertron 8y agoGood point. Users are willing to browse around Twitter (and Facebook) where the experience is consistent, tolerable. And functional enough for many kinds of content creators. They've achieved a sort of balance. User hesitation to follow links out to the open web is lamentable, but wholly understandable. Perhaps some 3rd party service with a recognisable URL could establish itself as a non-horrible, useful supplement to add extra structure to one's posts. (Although I was suggesting something to use instead of Twitter, not something to use with it.)
- izzydata 8y agoI was never under the impression that conversation was a thing Twitter was supposed to do. It is more like a blog than a chat client. I don't think anyone would complain that making blog updates in Slack via pinned messages is difficult.
- trumped 8y agoare they talking about private conversations in public?
- osrec 8y agoI've always found Twitter to be a bit of a mess. Spam bots everywhere, and not a single cohesive line of thought that I can tune into. It feels unstructured and utterly disjointed, and whenever I'm forced to go on there, I can't wait to leave. I wonder if they just pay famous people to use it and others follow?!
- awkward 8y ago> Despite the public interview, and a dedicated hashtag (#karajack) for the event, it didn’t take long before the dozens of tweets between the two started to get confusing. They were listed out of order, I would have liked to make a higher effort post about twitter's UX, but if you want a platform that lets conversations happen, is there anything more important than this? They've done work to privilege the OP's responses, but giving one party that ability would seem even worse for conversation.
- rgoulter 8y ago> It’s almost impossible to have a smart, healthy argument on Twitter because no one has the space needed to share their thoughts. The article gives an example of each user trying to discuss and reply 4x branches of a conversation in 280 characters. At best, this can be mitigated on Twitter by "one person replies with a sequence of tweets", and the other then replies to that sequence. I don't think brevity is the main reason for a lack of healthy arguments, though. "smart, healthy arguing" is a hard game for people to play, so it's "almost impossible" to have anywhere. (Let alone on a site where replies are open to anyone who might have had a bad day and wants to vent, or whatever). :-) Twitter's user-experience can also be quite different for users with different following / follower counts.
- cptskippy 8y agoTwitter's whole experience is convoluted and it feels like either the developers didn't want to update the UI or were unable to, so features like DMs are handled through highly context sensitive means.
- xorand 8y agoPrevious discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19150914 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19150914
- forkandwait 8y agoThe real question is why would anyone even try to have a conversation on twitter?
- FrankDixon 8y agofunny, in the recent sam harris interview, jack just couldn‘t get enough of highlighting how twitter enables „conversations“.
- NoblePublius 8y ago(Checks Twitter) (Finds bots arguing “a man is a man and a woman is a woman”) (Deletes Twitter)
- rozim 8y agoI had thought threaded discussions were solved, pre modern internet era, pre-slashdot even, by Usenet clients like rn...
- gdubs 8y agoTwitter has this public utility value: a place where you can get updates on air quality during a wildfire, when the official agency websites are buckling under the traffic. Some report having good experiences by following a very selective group of people with shared interests. But it’s interesting that both Facebook and Twitter evolved into these negative, emotional, politically charged, environments when they moved from a chronological list of updates from your curated set of friends and followers, to an algorithmic one that shuffles in “popular” content. It’s hard to have a nuanced conversation in a noisy stadium. Much easier to chant along with the crowd.
- chosenbreed37 8y ago> It’s hard to have a nuanced conversation in a noisy stadium. Much easier to chant along with the crowd. True. I wonder how many are actually looking for a conversation. I use it regularly. I occasionally reply to some tweets. Most of the time I just scroll, like and retweet :)
- aikah 8y ago> But it’s interesting that both Facebook and Twitter evolved into these negative, emotional, politically charged, environments when they moved from a chronological list of updates from your curated set of friends and followers, to an algorithmic one that shuffles in “popular” content. Because that's where the money is? fake outrage, drama, division and negativity. Reddit is no different. People love dirty laundry and scandals. These social media are the new tabloids, you know, the magazines nobody buys but everybody reads...
- gammateam 8y ago> Swisher’s questions about Twitter’s complex abuse policies, and Dorsey’s subsequent responses, were floating around my timeline along with the regular tech news and opinions I always look at. Ha! I need to see this episode of Silicon Valley
- 40acres 8y agoThis whole conversation was the result of a cop out by Jack to avoid being interviewed by Kara on air. I'm a bit surprised because he's gone on her show / platforms before and even Zuckerberg interviewed with her after the 2016 and Cambridge scandals.
- CyberShadow 8y agoIs there a Twitter client / UI that presents threads (with all their replies) on one page with indentation / nesting, i.e. like HN / Reddit?
- ratsmack 8y agoI think this is what you are talking about: https://threadreaderapp.com https://threadreaderapp.com
- CyberShadow 8y agoI don't see any nesting or indentation there; or, for that matter, even replies from other people. It seems to convert ... something ... into a wall of text.
- endlessvoid94 8y agoJournalism is broken.
- aikah 8y agoOnly because it largely sourced its news based on Tweets and Twitter trends. They went for cheap then they are surprised people don't want to pay for glorified tabloids?
- porpoisely 8y agoJournalism is broken because journalism is overrun by highly biased and agenda driven ideologues like kara swisher. https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1086735766997344261 https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1086735766997344261 She epitomizes everything wrong with journalism today. It's not about truth, facts or news. It's about ideology. Hopefully it's a temporary phase and things will get better.
- theNJR 8y agoA lot to unpack recently with Twitter and Jack. A few thoughts. 1. Jack doesn’t seem passionate about product, especially Twitter. 2. Kara seems to lack the vocabulary to talk about product which is both surprising and confusing, given her niche and time spent in it. She also doesn’t understand that Twitter has evolved way beyond Jack. “Why don’t you know, it’s your product!” she kept asking. The fact he doesn’t know says a lot. It’s out of any one persons control. Maybe the AI has already taken over ... 3. The most interesting thing Kara said was when she suggested Twitter be a public utility. More and more I think we need the National Public Internet. She almost asked a great question about needing fire, police and garbage. Then she mixed metaphors and started discussing those things literally, and Jack went off about doxing. 4. The most important take away for me was how unaligned Jack and Kara were. Never did they find common ground. Never were they speaking the same language. Twitter could not facilitate meaningful dialogue between two willing people motivated to be good actors. This isn’t about how bad threaded replies are. It’s about human connection and conversation in the medium of real time public text. It doesn’t work. Edit: I've tried to clean these thoughts up a bit if you care to read more: https://www.nicholasjrobinson.com/blog/quick-take/karajack-quick-take-4-takeaways-from-the-jack-dorsey-and-kara-swisher-twitter-interview https://www.nicholasjrobinson.com/blog/quick-take/karajack-q...
- zanny 8y agoWe already have Twitter as a utility, its called ActivityPub and dozens of products and thousands of independent instances are now using it. If Twitters higher ups were serious about "being a utility' they would federate on what is on track to become the browser social protocol from the W3C.
- theNJR 8y agoIt was interesting to see a small force of people pushing ActivityPub in the Twitter comments last night.
- gotocake 8y agoA public utility that very few people have even heard of outside of tech circles. I feel that more or less takes the “public” out of the “utility” and doesn’t give Twitter a pass.
- towelr34dy 8y agoAm I the only one deeply surprised by how badly executed this thing was? I mean, what was it? Was it a test? Then why make it so public and high profile? I mean; what the heck was Jack thinking? The whole thing was a confusing mess that at best will be forgotten. It's very strange to see a CEO of a 11 digit public company put something out there like that.
- znpy 8y agoI always found "wanting to have a conversation via twitter" a laughable concept, to be honest.
- elcapitan 8y agoIn this case, it's probably not twitter's fault that the conversation fails, but Jack's. I saw him on Joe Rogans Podcast, who tried to get some concrete answers out of him, and he was probably the most evasive guest I've ever seen there.
- 5trokerac3 8y agoThe way he evasively responds to these important questions (not just with Rogan, but Sam Harris too) makes a lot more sense paired with the supposition that Twitter is not "failing" as Jack says here, but executing according to plan. Look at recent bans, across the technology sphere (and more recently the financial sphere with Chase), and a clear pattern emerges. Nobody denies what the pattern is. The only argument is whether or not you support banning certain ideas. From where I'm sitting we're seeing the formation of a new form of exile (I write that without hyperbole). Why bother setting up prison camps or penal colonies when you can completely remove someone's ability to publicly communicate, find gainful employment, or even open a bank account? We are inching closer to a world where, if someone engages in public wrongthink, they can immediately be shamed into poverty and banned from the public square.
- crazypyro 8y ago>We are inching closer to a world where, if someone engages in public wrongthink, they can immediately be shamed into poverty and banned from the public square. And this is so different from the entirety of human history how...? Tribalism and social ostracization of "deviants" is nothing new.
- 5trokerac3 8y agoThe difference being that the Overton window of “acceptable” opinion is rapidly shrinking.
- JustSomeNobody 8y agoWhy would you try to have a conversation on Twitter? Twitter is about commenting on someone else's stream of consciousness. That's it.
- rdtsc 8y ago> I am going to start a NEW thread to make it easy for people to follow (@waltmossberg just texted me that it is a “chaotic hellpit”) It is interesting that this discussion on Twitter about discussions on Twitter ended up being a disorganized mess. It illustrates the problem with Twitter so well. I consider Twitter a major step back in online discussion and sharing of ideas. It not just made that worse but it changed it in a qualitative way and it infected how people interact in other online communities and maybe in real life as well. I call this process "twitterification of discourse". Short phrases, sarcastic quips, thrown back and forth are terrible way to build consensus, digest information and participate in meaningful discussions. It can be entertaining and give the poster a false sense of "victory" in "beating" an opponent but mostly just leads to sowing resentment and dividing people rather than bringing them together. "Oh I am a stupid idiot, for thinking this way. Well thank you, I appreciate your thoughtful comment and I'll reconsider my position" said nobody ever. Heck people might be well meaning in posting their short retort but the medium itself brings a coldness and negativity to it by its very nature. Before this process was mostly happening in the media with talking heads spewing their positions quickly between commercial breaks. But now that has spread and everyone can talk and interact that way. Isn't it great! Another insidious aspect of "twitterification of discourse" is that it cements people's positions. Once they promote some cause or state some opinions for everyone to see, but then later find out they have been wrong or misled, it becomes much harder to change their position because well their posts were there for everyone to see and now they are judged as hypocrites for example.
- lostconfused 8y agoJust look at bash.org Short, terse comments are not new. The systemic factors that cause it are somewhat different for twitter. But it's not a new occurrence.
- NelsonMinar 8y agoTwitter needs a full time CEO.
- ksec 8y agoI assume people finally realise Jack isn't the next Steve Jobs as the media and supporters ( I now assume they are fake supporters?) likes to paint it. And Travis Kalanick isn't either, I assume most have figure out by now. And Evan Spiegel. If you are a Product CEO, or Founder, which tends to be even more Product focus than any succession CEO, and you don't know the basics of your product, then the company has a problem. Even more so when these "products" are gazillion times simpler than everything Apple were doing.
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- cabalamat 8y agoOne of my motives for building meowcat2[1] is that Twitter doesn't do threading very well[2]. (Another motive is I don't want the web to be controlled by a few big corporations). [1]: https://github.com/cabalamat/meowcat2 https://github.com/cabalamat/meowcat2 [2]: https://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2018/03/04/twitter-gets-message-order-wrong/ https://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2018/03/04/twitter-gets-mess...
- baud147258 8y agoDanluu has made a transcipt of the discussion: https://danluu.com/karajack/ https://danluu.com/karajack/ https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1095569349249851393 https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1095569349249851393
- Kiro 8y agoI use Twitter a lot and I still don't understand how to view the damn comments to a tweet. The obvious button just prompts me with a form. I need to click on the date or something to see the thread. It's so obscure I don't even remember.
- malloreon 8y agoEvery interview I've seen with jack lately (BS podcast, a couple written profiles + snippets of this conversation) mention a whole ton of changes and fixes and improvements, but twitter remains the cesspool it's been for years. It would be nice if he gave a publicly accountable timeline with actual consequences for failure.
- m3kw9 8y agoIs analogous to trying to start conversations on YouTube using video. Twitter wasn’t meant for that, yet. Is more of a post-commenting system, with potential for response, see Elon Musks tweets. No way can have a conversation longer than 2-3 responses before people fall off
- crsmithdev 8y agoHas it ever been the place to have an interview or 1:1 conversation? That it didn't work well seems like something that would be known in advance, and so the choice of doing it this way feels more like grandstanding on the part of KS. Not saying Twitter doesn't have problems, just that this seems to be an interview constructed to support a narrative right from the start.
- oneepic 8y agoI dislike Twitter but this article is pretty sensationalist. Too much emphasis on the petty complaints. The actual "conversation" was fine.
- hopler 8y agoIt's hard to watch videos over email, too...