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One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI
- pfdietz 8y agoI suspect some of the strained objections to this is from MRA types who are aghast that women will use this to track down unknown fathers for child support.
- odorousrex 8y agoI really can't tell if we are headed towards a "1984" dystopia, a "Brave New World" dystopia, a Black Mirror "Nosedive" dystopia, or now a "GATTACA" dystopia. It seems like we're headed to a horrible hybrid combination of all of the above.
- vincnetas 8y agoI would bet for "brave new world", because there's plenty of places ("islands") to leave a modern society and live your life without google, DNA tests, antibiotics or anything else.
- eclipxe 8y agoJust going to throw antibiotics in there...lol
- mc32 8y agoI think they mean indiscriminate antibiotics (in foods). At least vaccines aren’t included in there.
- analognoise 8y agoNo antibiotics? I guess if you don't want to live long.
- admiralEyebrows 8y agoSure you could live your life with the perception that you're not participating in those features of modern society, but that won't stop those same "features" from acting on you. Or do you think Google will stop prying and respect your "Right to be Forgotten" when you recede into the jungle?
- eaandkw 8y agoWell I think the government sells us fear aka-1984 and the tech world sells us pleasure aka-Fahrenheit 451. Really it’s just two sides of the same coin. And that coin is control.
- metamet 8y agoBut we get cool stuff like Seashell Radios--err, Airpods! I love putting my dystopian hat on, because I think it offers a convenient and critical lens to look at daily life through... I'd say the coin is a little more subtle than overt control, too. It's breeding passivity through comfort and entertainment, through the facade of individual power. Same thing they talked about in the Federalist Papers. Give some poor people a bit of land and they're no longer part of the poor class. Do that, the wealth in control gets a buffer from the masses. You create a class that will fight for you, because it means they get to keep their acre. Same thing we see now. A passively entertained populace has no reason to revolt. So just keep giving them small luxuries and distractions.
- blacksmith_tb 8y agoPrecedents extend much farther back[1]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses#Ancient_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses#Ancient_Rom...
- dymk 8y agoI don't mean this in a seriously snarky tone, but: What you're saying has been said by every generation which experienced great leaps in technology. Why is this wave of technology, one less transformative than the invention of the printing press or transistor or nuclear bombs (none of which lead to ruin), going to be the one that leads to a dystopia?
- awakeasleep 8y agoI think you bring up an interesting point. For those of us who are employed in the darling industry of our time, in the most liberal societies, who manage our money well, and are not related to anyone undesirable, this will not be a dystopia, it'll be paradise!
- fcarraldo 8y agoIt would be beneficial to your friends and family, and probably your own quality of life, to start considering whether those who do not meet the above criteria should be subject to oppression, while those privileged by birth and wealth live in paradise.
- balabaster 8y agoThat is until something you're doing becomes undesirable or threatening to the natural order and then it'll stop being paradise and become a hell you can't outrun. Of course... that's always a risk. The government could turn the military machine on its own people and you'd end up there anyway. We can live in fear, or we can cross that bridge if and when we come to it.
- fcarraldo 8y agoThere is still plenty of time to for the invention of the transistor or the nuclear bomb to lead to ruin.
- dymk 8y agoAnd the printing press. But that's unlikely. I'm just trying to understand where this feeling of impending doom is coming from, and how it's being rationalized.
- hprotagonist 8y agoSnow Crash, obviously. (it really is kind of the most ... human ... and thus most likely )
- buboard 8y agoAll of the above? Technology is a nondiscriminatory enabler
- js2 8y agoIt's the Brazil dystopia that seems most likely to me, and about which I worry about the government having access to DNA.
- djsumdog 8y agoNot everything about Brave New World was bad. The modern polyamorous movement would love the "Everyone belongs to everyone" concept as a way to deal with loneliness. [some spoilers ahead] Sure creativity is reduced, but they've also reduced war and conflict. People who learn to think for themselves aren't executed, they're sent to an island with other thinkers (although the general population is led to believe this island is terrible and a punishment). The classic way of life is preserved .. although at the expense of those people who are sorta in their own little zoo. Brave New World is more a mixed bag than an absolute hell.
- mimixco 8y agoAll of the at-home DNA testing companies include this in their license agreements, including the ability to use your DNA in case any of your relatives might be accused of a crime. This is one case in which you definitely want to read the license before you sign up... then throw that test tube in the trash!
- jstarfish 8y agoIt doesn't really matter what you do personally. If any of your relatives submit their DNA, you're compromised just the same.
- trhway 8y agoyep, your DNA spread around the relatives ( whom you may not even know about) is just like a BitTorrented movie - there is no way to put genie back. Even worse than that - at least in the movie case the studio does have legal rights to their movie while you have no rights wrt. the pieces of DNA of your relatives matching your DNA.
- pkaye 8y agoWhat if the relatives are okay with their DNA being used?
- rabboRubble 8y agoI know I'm not a serial rapist &/or murderer. I hope my family members are not. The question is: what do I value more? A society without serial rapist killers or my family? I guess I prefer a society without that sort of nonsense, so even if my DNA is used to ensnare a relative, and they were doing horrible stuff, I'd be heartbroken that a family member had gone so astray but grateful they were unable to hurt anybody else. See the investigative work using shirttail relative DNA to isolate the Golden State Killer. That said, do I want law enforcement to have willy nilly access to DNA to, for example, chase down littering? No, IMO that is an inappropriate level of intrusion for the societal problem. Do I trust government to exercise good sense with these tools? I fear not so much. But I guess we will get used to the intrusions just as we have become accustom to the gov hoovering up all our communications metadata to find terrorists.
- wonderwonder 8y agoI am torn on this, as on the one hand it does violate privacy to a very large degree and provide massive power to the government. Things I am very much against. On the other hand, essentially all this does is provide law enforcement a means to potentially quickly identify violent criminals via physical traits as opposed to the contents of their mind such as forcing someone to unlock a phone which I am very against. Assuming DNA technology is advanced enough to provide few false positives (which I am not sure it is) and prosecution is based on additional concrete evidence as well I think I am fine with this. I am not ok with this being accepted as all that is needed to bring charges but as a means to narrow the suspect pool. If the company did not disclose this in massive font to potential customers ahead of time, then I do think this company should very quickly go out of business. The slippery slope though is a near Gattaca situation where now law enforcement and government can screen people for genetics flaws and make hiring decisions etc. based on them. Private companies should absolutely have no access to this data unless it is for scientific research and highly anonymized and customers have agreed to allow it.
- kokokokoko 8y agoI think if anything it points to the fallacy that not allowing the government to collect this type of data, but allowing corporations to collect it, ends up with the same result as allowing the government to collect this data itself. All we've really accomplished is making things cheaper for the government as the private sector is footing the bill for collection and storage.
- ianai 8y agoPut differently,corporations exist to put prices on things. Corporations are clearly minting products from peoples DNA samples. They probably can’t deny sales to governments.
- 23487t398o 8y ago> potentially quickly identify violent criminals via physical traits Western civilization requires warrants supported by probable cause, because history has proved the hard way that those are not the kind of people the state would be identifying if left to its own devices.
- resters 8y agoThis is a major violation of trust.
- LinuxBender 8y agoThe term "At Home" is very disingenuous. Spitting in a tube at home and then mailing your DNA to a lab is not At Home. A proper at-home test would be a kit that allows you to decode your DNA at home without a single strand DNA or byte of data landing on a system that does not belong to you.
- colordrops 8y agoHow long until this is feasible? I've heard of DNA sequencing machines for $2k, but are not easy or reliable.
- Varcht 8y agoI think you guys are onto something. At $100 a pop, my family, just counting out to first cousins, could buy a pretty nice sequencer.
- pbnjay 8y agoThe MinION is approaching this but you need really good prep work to get reliable results.
- LinuxBender 8y agoI would gladly pay $2k to keep my data at home. To me, that is much cheaper than what it would cost to remove genetic data from multiple corporations and governments, if that is even feasible.
- make3 8y agoa genome is useless without a huge set of algorithms and datasets to analyse the genome
- LinuxBender 8y agoAgreed. That needs to be open source code, checked into a public repo with instructions that the average person can follow. After a few years, I would expect that code to run on the device that enumerates the DNA. Perhaps a RasPi with a daughter card or USB device that reads the DNA, similar to blood sugar testers.
- hugh4life 8y agoI disagree with this. Over time GEDMatch will get enough samples for forensic purposes. I'd rather have an incentive program to get people to upload their data onto GEDMatch than to have the government work with the commercial companies.
- weego 8y agoIt's bad but not unexpected, overreach is what these people do. Day to do though everyone should be far more scared of Insurance companies getting hold of their DNA test results.
- astura 8y agoIn the US GINA bans health insurance companies from using genetic data for determining premiums or eligibility. If it were legal you wouldn't have to worry about insurance companies mining genetic databases, it wouldn't matter, they'd simply demand a DNA sample in order to be insured.
- howard941 8y agoGINA's effective -- now. But what if it goes the way of the endangered preexisting condition exclusion? Parties are already chopping pieces of that latter protection away under the guise of short term policies.
- astura 8y agoGINA was voted into law 509-1 (Ron Paul being the sole dissenter), it was hardly controversial. >what if it goes the way of the endangered preexisting condition exclusion? Then insurance companies will simply demand DNA to be insured. Same way car insurance companies demand financial information (through credit bureaus) in order to insure you in places where it's legal to do so (which is the vast majority of the US save 1-2 states). So either way you don't have to worry about insurance companies mining private databases, if GINA exists they can't legally and if GINA doesn't exist they'll just do the data collection themselves.
- howard941 8y agoLegally of course you're right, and I suspect you already know about the Medical Information Bureau's repository of adverse health info used right now. Where we'd part company I guess is in seeing an equivalency of consequences in the lack of car as compared to the lack of health insurance.
- keyme 8y agoOf all "dystopian future" things that are now becoming a reality, this is IMHO the most disturbing. There is nothing you can do about it as a privacy conscious person. Some random relative will give their DNA up at some point or another. Then you're fucked forever.
- samstave 8y agoA user in /r/conspiracy posted the other day their school is offering free dna tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/alwd5r/my_high_school_offers_ancestory_dna_testing_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/alwd5r/my_high_...
- est31 8y agoTo my knowledge, in California, a genetic sample has to be recovered and stored of every baby born? The archive is run by the state government. So why do they not use this registry that they already have full control over, but the data from the DNA company?
- cheeseomlit 8y agoHad to look that up, can't believe it's true. California sounds like a horrifying place to live
- paxys 8y agoIt is most definitely easier for the FBI to get data from a private company than from California.
- refurb 8y agoI don’t believe that test does the same level of sequencing that 23andMe does. It basically tests for a few dozen genetic diseases. Diseases where if it’s caught early, the child has a chance at curtailing the negative consequences of the disease (they don’t test for diseases with no treatments).
- est31 8y agoIndeed it doesn't do the same level of sequencing. But the specimen is not being thrown away after the test, but kept in an archive. In some states like California you can revoke consent at least. See the list of states with how long they store the specimens here: https://www.cchfreedom.org/files/files/Newborn%20Retention%20All%2050%20States%202018.pdf https://www.cchfreedom.org/files/files/Newborn%20Retention%2... Governments might use this archive to sequence the DNAs down the road and then use it similarly to how they are already using those private services. Prices of sequencing are sinking as we speak.
- refurb 8y agoFair point about keeping the samples!
- EGreg 8y agoThis is why I would want to send in other people’s DNA to be tested and they send in mine (like a bitcoin mixer).
- buboard 8y ago> a private firm has agreed to voluntarily allow law enforcement access to its database. I mean, nothing says that it was voluntary. In any case this should not be surprising. Everyone who uses these services knows that they ll be fingerprinted. Hopefully, one day we'll have private, home sequencers.
- ashelmire 8y agoOne step closer to Gattaca every day.
- apo 8y agoFew people taking theses tests understand or care about the privacy-destroying effect of what they're doing to themselves and their families. For example, this is from the AncestryDNA (different company) terms of service: By submitting User Provided Content to AncestryDNA, you grant AncestryDNA and the Ancestry Group Companies a perpetual, royalty-free, worldwide, sublicensable, transferable license to host, transfer, process, analyze, distribute, communicate, and display your submission for the purposes of providing Ancestry's products and services, conducting Ancestry’s research and product development, enhancing Ancestry’s user experience, and making and offering personalized products and services. https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/dnaterms_2017_09_22_us?hideHeader=1#Term3 https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/dnaterms_2017_09_22_us?hid... There's a feel-good statement elsewhere in the document about how the company won't disclose your info to third parties, but this grant of rights pretty much covers anything you'd want to do with a DNA sequence. Privacy policies change, but grants of rights like this to a service like Ancestry are forever. I imagine a future in which every casual DNA company has been hoovered into a single powerful corporation. All those rights granted by users will transfer to that new company. That company will be just as mean as Facebook (or Microsoft in its heyday), but 10x more powerful.
- dayvid 8y agoThe biggest insult is that you're paying them money to violate your privacy. Some links I've seen for DIY thermocycling [1] https://openpcr.org/ https://openpcr.org/ [2] https://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-PCR-thermal-cycler-for-under-85/ https://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-PCR-thermal-cycler-... Hope this becomes more of a thing. This is one of the fields where a non-cloud or decentralized solution is more desirable.
- dangrossman 8y ago> and their families That's how a local cold murder case was solved last year. DNA from a 25-year-old crime scene was run against the samples in one of these genealogy databases, and they found a familial match. Police set up a sting to covertly collect DNA from that person's immediate family. They got their DNA match with a brother's water bottle police took from a trash can after he worked a DJ gig at a school. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/us/christy-mirack-slaying-update-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/us/christy-mirack-slaying-upd... The now-confessed killer was the DJ at my wedding. He never would have been caught if his brother hadn't done one of these genealogy tests. He wasn't even a suspect in the initial investigation.
- hitpointdrew 8y agoShocker /s Anyone who thinks that the data at these testing companies isn't going to the FBI/NSA (directly or indirectly) is just plain naive.
- gamesbrainiac 8y agoAre there any similar reports regarding 23andme? I know quite a few people who have used their service.
- lipman 8y agoNot yet. I think they're well (more?) aware of potential consumer backlash.
- checkoutmygenes 8y agoWe do not do this at 23andMe: https://www.23andme.com/transparency-report/ https://www.23andme.com/transparency-report/
- coupdejarnac 8y agoAnyone know if there is a way to remove yourself from being shared with 3rd parties?
- buboard 8y agofbi seems a third party that's hard to remove
- coupdejarnac 8y agoThanks for your input.
- TomK32 8y agoHaha. I'd never send my DNA away. But then I have to hope that one of my cousins and distant half-siblings does. Well, in the EU privacy laws might hold up a few more year but we're all doomed.
- shomyo 8y agoUS company working with government. Breaking news!
- daemonk 8y agoI remember attending a bioinformatics conference years ago when Nanopore presented one of their first devices. For those who are not in the field, Nanopore offers a palm sized device that can sequence DNA in real-time as the strand moves through a small pore. They are still far from offering a device that is accurate enough to identify people. During the presentation, images of public places vacuuming up biological material and sequencing whatever DNA material found came to my mind. The privacy implications of this is potentially very scary.
- JoeAltmaier 8y agoFewer than 10 cases apparently
- bouncycastle 8y agoI bet if there was an option to voluntarily enable this, many people would say yes! eg. "Do you want us to use your data to help catch criminals / rescue those wrongly accused?" Same way as asking "Do you want to be an organ donor?".
- philipkglass 8y agoWhole genome sequencing is now available for well under $1000 and prices continue to drop. https://us.dantelabs.com/blogs/news/whole-genome-sequencing-cost https://us.dantelabs.com/blogs/news/whole-genome-sequencing-... I understand that forensic DNA comparisons are currently simpler and more error-prone, but it seems like whole-genome comparison is already cheap enough that it could be used for comparing suspect DNA with crime scene DNA in important cases. At some point I expect it to become the new standard. The "what about flawed DNA matches?" arguments against using this technology in law enforcement raise valid concerns, but I think that these specific objections may be obsolete in a few more years.
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- module0000 8y agoIf this bothers you, consider fighting back. Submit as many DNA samples to as many firms as you can find. Send each sample from a different [consenting] donor, and ask that they do the same and include you among their donors. This action at scale dirties the data sets of all the companies involved.
- trumped 8y agoright... but almost nobody is going to do that...
- cwkoss 8y agowe just have to create the public perception that it has already been done
- mrmuagi 8y agoI don't think that plan follows awfully well, why on earth would you pay money for services for the sole intent to game their database into inefficiency? A spotted chance of that even working, at best you've given them money for nothing back. No, it's best to just spread the word amongst your friends, and avoid all this muck.
- aiyodev 8y agoThe NSA collects the records of everyone two connections away from a terrorism suspect. This will allow the FBI to profile the families of criminals. I have a cousin who joined a white supremecist group. Does that mean my life ahould be put under a microscope in case I’m committing crimes too? Should I have to submit to body cavity searches at airports because of her drug convictions? Our prison system is not designed to punish or rehabilitate. It’s designed to isolate society’s undesireables and put them in a cage away from the rest of us. The Powers That Be would like nothing more than to extend that to entire families.
- coldcasecracker 8y agojoining a white supremacist group isn't a crime, nor should it be one. are the NAACP criminals? is AIPAC a crminal organization? supporting your own race is not a bad thing. it's nature. it's how any of us climbed down from the trees and began running through the tall grasses 125 million year ago to get us to where we are today. if anything, yes, your life should be put under a microscope by the FBI for your not supporting your cousin. a race traitor is almost always also a Communist, and Commies are a threat to America.
- laylomo2 8y agoA bit hyperbolic, but not completely inconceivable: Long lost twins separated at birth, one twin murders somebody, the other twin gets his DNA tested, FBI says "we found him", guy goes to jail for crime he never committed. Oops
- y_tho 8y agoReplace murder with art heist: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1887111,00.html http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1887111,00... With a "happier" ending.
- yters 8y agoI figured that's why the ads encourage people to have their grandparents tested. One grandparent, and you've got a whole family group.
- wnevets 8y agoI almost did one of this test because I was curious about the results. Ultimately I decided that giving my DNA to a some random company on the internet is just a bad idea, even if (a big if at that) the results are accurate and interesting. Stories like these are why I'm glad I decided not to.
- trumped 8y agoHow does an at-home dna testing company get any of your infoemation?
- newscracker 8y agoOnly the sample collection is “at home” using a kit mailed to the customer with instructions on how to collect the sample. The analysis is done in a (hopefully good and clean) lab where the sample gets mailed to by the customer.
- coldcasecracker 8y agowhile i am on the side of the militant pro-Wikileaks, anti-DeepState, anti-Mass-Surveillance wing and i would happily volunteer to drive the bulldozer over the mass graves of the hundreds of thousands of Cleared Deep State personnel traitors, i don't have much of problem with the FBI querying DNA databases. have you ever looked at how many cold case serial killers there are? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_deaths#Unsolved_serial_killer_murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_deaths#Unsolv... are you aware that 40% of all murderers are never caught? https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/a-shocking-number-of-us-murders-went-unsolved-last-year/ https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/a-shocking-number-of-us-murder... did you know that 185,000 people have been murdered since 1980, who's killers have never been caught? https://www.projectcoldcase.org/cold-case-homicide-stats/ https://www.projectcoldcase.org/cold-case-homicide-stats/ the scale of murderers who get away with it is shocking. so i can see the FBI's perspective towards bulk DNA searches and i agree that they should have the capability. murder is the number one priority crime which any law enforcement officer is dedicated to stopping. nothing like rampant unpunished murder devolves a society back to the stone age. just look at Mexico or Brazil or Pakistan or any of dozens of 3rd world "shit holer" nations where murder is just a way of life. someone mentioned the distinction between mass surveillance where the FBI spies on the contents of your mind versus spying on the contents of your DNA which you leave behind. i have zero faith that the meathead Alpha Jock personality types comprising the FBI and Law Enforcement could apply a soft hand to figure out the correct balance to navigate mass surveillance and profiling based on the ambiguous contents of minds and the communication of thoughts, which is why i would never entrust them with the power like NSA has entrusted itself to wield. but when it comes to the formulaic TV show beat cop hunting down the killer in a simple world of black and white Good vs Evil, that is exactly what i want our Law Enforcement to spend the majority of their time doing. i just don't see much overlap between the threat of mass surveillance and the threat of mass DNA searching. how is DNA a threat to political dissidents and Enemies of the State and general societal Rebels who Think Different? don't say "protests", because FBI already mass spies on everyone who goes to any protest. they know all of the cell phones that travelled to a protest or communicated with anyone at the protest, they know the license plates of your cars you drove to the parking lot 3 blocks from the protest, and they have the speech2txt of all of your phone calls to your friends whom you planned to attend the protest with. adding in DNA doesn't give the FBI any more than what they already had on you. and protests are not really a threat to anything, outside of immediate and temporal riots that might vandalize some property. protests are just a mechanism for society to vent, a controlled safety valve to give people the illusion of participation in a Byzantine political process wholly removed from them. the only cross over between DNA and the contents of minds would be something like a secret political opposition figure publishing a manifesto and handing it out like Tom Paine handing out pamphlets in 1776, and then FBI pulling his DNA off the papers and looking up his 3rd cousins DNA markers to narrow down the universe of potential matches to identify him. but any new Tom Paine would have to know the FBI does DNA searches, and so he would not write his manifesto himself, but instead would pay 100 gig economy serfs on Fiver to each hand write one page and mail it to his suitably anonymized PO box.
- AnonymousRider 8y agoThese issues usually have a benign beginning. “We only do this for violent crimes” seems reasonable but it will never stay benign. Cops are lazy. Give them a tool and they will eventually use it to catch shoplifters and graffiti artists or to inquire about the heredity of their girlfriends.
- superfamicom 8y agoI would gladly donate my DNA to be tested to find criminals. I signed up to 23andMe years ago just for fun, but if that data can be used to help someone who was hurt by someone genetically related to me, I am all for it. Reading the reactions here makes me feel crazy, as if their intention is to make me feel manipulated or otherwise bad. It is really interesting to me how many people are fearful of dystopian futures that could play out instead of excited to actually potentially help identify a serial killer.
- jessaustin 8y agoThe intent is to encourage you to consider the relative incidence rates of various misfortunes. Police ineptitude and the prosecutor's fallacy are vastly more common in this world than serial killers are. You seem eager to screw over your cousin, but it could just as well be you who is screwed over.
- oh_sigh 8y agoSerial killing is the extreme example, but is police ineptitude and prosecutor's fallacy more common in this world than rape, murder, assault and battery, burglary, etc?
- jessaustin 8y agoHow could this question really be answered? You'd have to trust those whose unworthiness to that trust forms the question's very premise. Police and prosecutors couldn't be all that effective, since their ultimate argument seen here amounts to little more than an extortion threat: If we aren't all-powerful, someone might get raped! Those who wish to avoid crimes equip themselves to stop criminals, rather than afflicting the rest of us with counterproductive attempts to further empower those in authority. Crime is a quality of society. All human societies will see some level of crime, but there is a great deal of variation. A sick society in which the police are powerful will simply see more crimes committed by police. A healthy society will see fewer crimes, no matter how many police quit for more productive occupations.
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- gammateam 8y agoIt is interesting how the crowd - as in relatives - are helping solve violent crime cases, from DNA at the scene. I think a lot of people have been taking advantage of this system for a long time. Like they know they get a free pass on assaulting people because they haven't been arrested yet.
- scruffyherder 8y agoWhenever you see the governments touting this 'public private partnership' this is exactly what it is.
- hatchnyc 8y agoIt seems inevitable that nearly everyone's DNA will eventually be disclosed or available to sufficiently interested parties. You literally leave a trail of DNA behind you, the cost of collecting it has steadily fallen, and you can't change your DNA so a single security breech in your entire life is irrevocable.
- willart4food 8y agoGeorge Orwell is saying: DA FUQ?
- umeshunni 8y agoArticle from a year ago about this: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/serial-killer-dna-testing?bfsource=relatedmanual https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/serial-kille... Edit: nevermind, this is a different company
- Paul-ish 8y agoThe article you linked is about GEDmatch and the golden state killer. This one is about Family tree DNA.
- rb808 8y agoI think that government agencies should have everyones DNA. Esp rape I'm really surprised police can't just look at the semen and look up who it belonged to. The government already knows everyone's photos and basic biometrics from drivers licenses and passports, surely this is just one more field in the database.
- Iwan-Zotow 8y agoJesus, unDNA me!
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- stevespang 8y agoSo why not just submit your DNA using a proxy - - or use a false name and false contact details ? Same basic principle as using a burner phone . . . .
- djsumdog 8y agoWait a second, I though these companies didn't sequence DNA. I thought most of them just ran your DNA against known patterns to see if they patch to give you a probably/percentage of ancestry, with all the original samples being destroyed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EEmVfbKNs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EEmVfbKNs Does ancestry actually sample and save entire DNA sequences (I guess they have to in order to do family tree matching)? Crazy.
- Simon_says 8y agoI'm interested in sequencing my own DNA, but only if the information never leaves my possession. I'd like to do it once the cost goes below $1k. Any idea when that will be realistic?
- dc443 8y agoSpeaking of which. I sent two samples to 23andme and both times they rejected my sample saying that there was not enough DNA to recover. Hopefully that is in fact what happened...... They did send me a refund though. I really really dont like the idea of someone potentially having my DNA while I didn't even get my end of the bargain (dietary recommendations, possibly knowing what will likely kill me, etc)
- madrox 8y agoI’m of two minds on this. On the one hand, catching the golden state killer is awesome. On the other, DNA matching is a stochastic process. False positive matches are possible, and likely if used to identify suspects at scale with no other evidence or links to the crime. We’re probably still in the infancy of DNA-based law, I suspect.
- thereare5lights 8y agoHow many people here complain about authoritarian governments and yet support this mass surveillance via DNA?
- tobyhinloopen 8y ago“We value your privacy. Please let us track you.” No
- vbuwivbiu 8y agoin a few years every phone will have a DNA sequencer included
- ttflee 8y agoand you need to spit saliva to unlock?
- hi41 8y agoWhat problems can arise when law enforcement agencies are able to match DNA to catch criminals such as rapists and murderers? Wouldn’t that bring benefits to society and make it safer.
- winston_smith 8y agoBetter yet, all 50 US states have government-run newborn heel prick programs, and they keep the blood. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-biobank-dna-babies-who-has-access/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-biobank-dna-babies-w... It's cartoonishly evil. The government literally takes and stores the blood of all newborn infants. There's a good thing they do with it, which is screening for genetic diseases, and some epidemiology. But there's nothing preventing them doing all that without tying it to each newborn's identity. The doctors are stupid about it, but very few are going to forcibly take a blood sample from an infant while you protest and film it with your phone. And they'll give you horror stories and guilt trips about all the awful diseases your infant might have if you skip the test. But fortunately the Mayo Clinic Labs have a test they can mail to your doctor that you can use instead: https://www.mayocliniclabs.com/test-info/newborn/index.html https://www.mayocliniclabs.com/test-info/newborn/index.html Better plan it in advance though, and don't let the doctors put you off. Because once baby arrives, you'll be tired and the doctors will use all kinds of time pressure on you.
- throwawaywtfvjk 8y agoI just submitted my DNA for testing, and was more than happy to do so. I believe, that for me knowing MY genetic predispositions about certain diseases AND do something about it (even paying a premium for insurance) far outweighs the privacy concerns while you slowly die without targeted medical/lifestyle interventions.
- throwawaywtfvjk 8y agodoing it at home/offline doesn't add any value to the shared knowledge pool.
- throwawaywtfvjk 8y agoAlso, I would be glad if an insurance existed that was based on keeping certain metabolic/blood markers in a healthy range. which translates to a decrease of 30-75-ish % of chance of death by cardiovascular/neurodegenerative/cancer. an insurance like this would certainly cost less