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Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 8y ago>That’s because with one click, Deckert has done what could have taken her hours to do a few months ago — she has filed a noise complaint with officials at the Maryland Aviation Administration. One thing though is that the very ease diminishes how much attention the officials actually pay. Same as when you contact your officials, a hand written letter or phone call is much more effective than an email template or a retweet. When they got a noise complaint in the past, they would have thought: this bothered them enough to spend an hour filling out a noise complaint. Now, they can think: this bothered them enough to spend half a second to push a conveniently located button or use an app.
- floatingatoll 8y agoThe officials already made clear that passenger comfort isn’t a priority; they could have mandated that airlines install noise sensors and file monthly reports with their data, but instead they chose to require passengers to risk suffering and then have to file complaints to seek recompense for it.
- dahdum 8y agoArticle has nothing to do with passengers.
- orf 8y agoAssuming you only read the title of the post I can understand your reply, but I would suggest a cursory glance at articles before replying. The noise complaints are coming from people under the flight path, not from within the cabin.
- floatingatoll 8y agoAh, nuts, I misread before the “You’ve read too much” cutoff kicked in on the site. Oh well. I miss the plane noise from my prior home. A bit odd to me that people object to it, so I’ll stay out of it.
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- bhickey 8y ago> One thing though is that the very ease diminishes how much attention the officials actually pay. The point isn't to get aviation officials to care. You want to build up a body of complaints to give your congressional rep something to make noise about. This has been an ongoing fight in Boston.
- dragonwriter 8y ago> You want to build up a body of complaints to give your congressional rep something to make noise about. Congressional reps tend to care more about evidence that either donors they rely on or voters in their district care enough to take substantive action than numerical volume of complaints or even substance of the complaints (ease of complaints degrades value more for Congressional reps than even for aviation officials, as the latter are more likely to have some concern for the subject matter and rather than merely the political calculus.)
- bhickey 8y agoThe voters in their district are the people complaining. Boston Logan rerouted air traffic to climb out over the city rather than the harbor. This has led to long daylong stretches of overflights every 90 seconds. Katherine Clarke, Stephen Lynch and Mike Capuano have been beating a drum about this for the past two years. The point of generating complaints is to give them an artifact to wave at the FAA.
- toomuchtodo 8y agoIn a properly functioning regulatory environment, an independent third party would establish a noise sensor monitoring network around the airport and use that data as feedback to stakeholders (officials, aircraft operators, private citizens around the airport). Failing that, you have angry citizens who push the button hard, and officials who (as you mentioned) don't care, which will probably end up with press (ie this article) and possibly a citizen caring enough to run against disinterested officials.
- Anechoic 8y agoIn a properly functioning regulatory environment, an independent third party would establish a noise sensor monitoring network around the airport and use that data as feedback to stakeholders (officials, aircraft operators, private citizens around the airport). This is almost exactly what happens in the USA. Pretty much all of the major airports, and many of the intermediate airports have aircraft noise monitoring systems. See [0] for example. [0] https://www.dfwairport.com/aircraftnoise/ https://www.dfwairport.com/aircraftnoise/
- jmwilson 8y agoThe amount of data it collects and files hopefully makes it harder to dismiss. It is using the same ADS-B data as flightradar and similar sites, so it's able to report detailed information- exact time, what aircraft passed overhead, how far away, what altitude and ground speed. At a lot of airports, there are requirements for climb-out paths (in terms of position and altitude) for noise abatement, and if operators aren't observing existing rules, these detailed reports can have a lot of force.
- brandall10 8y agoRight, they're just going to filter that stuff out as noise. If not today very soon. Unless actual means are taken to address the issues and the nature of the complaints changes/abates. Sorta like having overly verbose log messages replete with far too many warnings no one addresses, it becomes less useful as a tool. ”It’s highly, highly therapeutic. It makes you feel like you can make a difference.” And that's the business model for something like this in a nutshell.
- darkpuma 8y ago> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.
- jilop 8y agoIt's commercialized equal protection under law.
- eganist 8y agoIt's a bit of a Kamikaze effort, really. Enough NIMBY automation and future complaints will be as effective as no complaints at all.
- jimnotgym 8y agoExactly, boiler plate duplicate spam complaints > boiler plate meaningless reply.
- signal11 8y agoEven before this, researchers have noticed that a few people generate a disproportionate number of noise complaints (both links from 2016): US: https://www.mercatus.org/publications/airport-noise-nimbyism https://www.mercatus.org/publications/airport-noise-nimbyism UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37803205 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37803205 (half of the around 25,000 complaints were made by 10 people) I wonder if these people are more susceptible to noise than others, or are simply more tolerant of / more incentivized to navigating bureaucracy to file complaints. Either way, it'll be interesting to see how a "dash buttons" approach to filing complaints affects these numbers.
- bhickey 8y agoYou can take this one step further. After manually flagging when you hear a plane, generate the next complaint automatically.
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- csours 8y agoI used to live directly west of DFW (Euless). I heard the jets maybe 3 or 4 times from inside my apartment; I heard them much more often outside, but it was never disturbing to the point I would have complained. Two things help DFW: 1. It has a huge amount of land. 2. The main landing/takeoff pattern is North/South and there are roads and businesses to the North and South and not houses. Now I live right near the landing pattern of ABIA - Austin, but way north. The only thing that bugs me is that the planes directly overfly the office and I've watched too many crash videos. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLPA0Dhi1VXQDGbkXwjDUzQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLPA0Dhi1VXQDGbkXwjDUzQ/vid...
- brankest 8y agoIt's a neat idea, but it's not clear from the article what these complaints accomplish. Are the airport administrators held accountable in any way? Are they required to respond to the complaints? Maintain a low threshold? It seems like this could just be a placebo button.
- ilaksh 8y agoWhat are they supposed to do? They can't move the airport and if they change the routing then someone else will complain.
- runarberg 8y agoSometimes you wonder if they could possible move the route a little to the side. I live on an island close to Seattle, and airplains flying from California will fly straight over the island, almost like it is on purpose. You wonder why they couldn't move the route a little to the west or a little to the east and fly over the sea instead. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA1041 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA1041
- neffy 8y agoThere are two answers to this. The obvious one is, yes of course they could. The annoying one, is that it has to be negotiated, world wide flight maps would have to be updated, flight traffic control reprogrammed, and it is just easier by far in terms of bureaucracy not to do this stuff. After all, people must have known when they chose to live there... The flight plan into Keflavik in Iceland goes directly over Mount Hekla (the way point is Mount Hekla, which probably made more sense back in the days of visual navigation). Mount Hekla is a fairly active Volcano, and is a little overdue for its next explosion, for which there might be at most about half an hours warning time. After all, people must know the risks when they choose to fly...
- btgeekboy 8y agoFlightAware on mobile isn’t letting me zoom in to see which island you’re on. There’s a few pilots on HN; we can help you look it up. It’s probably not on purpose as in “haha let’s fly over this guy’s house” but more likely to that it keeps traffic in the busy Seattle area flowing smoothly. You can certainly write to the local Flight Standards District Office and ask them to consider using new waypoints and procedures, or ask them for an official explanation.
- ilaksh 8y agoIn San Diego the airport is right downtown. Many people are pretty much gauranteed to be dealing with airplane noise regardless of the routes taken to land. Of course La Jolla is probably the most expensive area in San Diego. Should we route the airplanes around them? Lol. I mean you can't move the airports and most people can't move their houses so it feels like this is mostly a structural issue. And to me more direct routing based on satellites seems safer than radar based. I think the buttons are a great idea though. Hopefully they will make buttons for more practical complaints like muggings or burglary. Or just fix reporting processes to be more efficient in the first place. Although that may not be the best example because if you need a button to press everytime you get robbed you probably need to just move to a better neighborhood. I feel like this demonstrates the gap between where technology is and where government is.
- p_l 8y agoSats have wild accuracy shifts and depend heavily on the plane being fully operational. Ultimately what you end up with sats anyway is list of waypoints, not anything dynamic, and it can be done with radar as well.
- darkpuma 8y agoThen why are airports trending towards satellite navigation? Do they not realize something that you do?
- p_l 8y agoNo, they do realize exactly that, which is why quite often the paths didn't change as much as they could and why aviation community tends to rebuke ideas like "remove SSR and PSR because GPS and Mode S + ADS-B is enough". Sats provide good "happy path" when everything is ok and allow greater density. But approach and departure routes are going to be designed for safety as well, including when those features fail.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago> Sats have wild accuracy shifts and depend heavily on the plane being fully operational. Who is routinely flying planes that aren't fully operational?
- cyberferret 8y agoJust wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets, most airports have curfew hours to prevent late night/early morning noise, plus I know at our local airport, aircraft cannot use reverse thrust braking when landing in the early morning hours etc.).
- Anechoic 8y agoIMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. It's not just about knowingly purchasing a home under a flight path, it's also about the commitments made by airports and airlines. For example, an excessive noise event may be caused by a pilot not following a proper noise abatement procedure. And while airplanes have gotten quieter over the last 30 years, delivery companies frequently purchase older aircraft that may not be as quiet. As those freight operations scale up, they can create more noise than anticipated. Finally, the use of GPS assisted takeoff and landings can create issues - previously aircraft were more spread out in their takeoff and landing patterns, which would mean more people are exposed to (relatively) less noise. With the increased accuracy of GPS navigation, flight patterns and much narrower, so the concentration of aircraft on a flight pattern means fewer people are experiencing more noise.
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- cyberferret 8y agoI totally support pulling up pilots who break the noise abatement rules. If these devices were used as intended, we could expect sudden occasional spikes in reports to pin point a flight where the pilot strayed too low etc., but I expect that these devices will mostly be used by irate people who just keep stabbing the button several times a day every time they cannot hear their television clearly.
- sandworm101 8y agoA small part of my job (air force) is taking noise complaints. I find their rate has absolutely nothing to do with actual noise. It is all about time of day. A rainy tuesday afternoon: we can land on a roof without complaint from the owners. But on a sunny saturday evening, suddenly the same flight pattern we have flown for years without issue starts my phone ringing. Standard, honest, responses: 1) Civilian air traffic control dictate our airport approach. If our helicopter was flying low it was probably because a 737 was on approach above it. 2) Helicopters have to land. They cannot hover down from 5000 feet directly onto the pad. They have to fly over someone's house somewhere to come home. 3) Sorry ma'am, but there was this boat on fire and a man was hurt. The strait line between the boat and hospital was directly over your house. Our bad. Ill ask the pilots to take the long way next time. What AF personnel want to say: 4) Big helicopter? Did you see a big red star on the side of it? No? You're welcome. click
- Anechoic 8y agoA rainy tuesday afternoon: we can land on a roof without complaint from the owners. But on a sunny saturday evening, suddenly the same flight pattern we have flown for years without issue starts my phone ringing This isn't surprising - sound propagation is partially dependent on atmospheric conditions.
- sandworm101 8y agoOr, more people are out eating dinner on their decks. I don't think is just about sound levels. They would complain about any aircraft. They just know that everyone else (airlines etc) will just file their complaint away. But if you call the airforce and you know my extension you get to chat with a polite officer who, theoretically, might pass your complaint onto those flying the aircraft. We don't. Noise complaints only every come from built-up areas and all flying over those is heavily planned and controlled by civilian authorities.
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- exabrial 8y agoDo you also complain about thunder and lightning to the NWS?
- askvictor 8y agoWhere can hobbyists purchase hackable/programmable internet buttons such as this for a reasonable price? I've seen a few around the place but the costs are exorbitant for what they are, and hacking the Amazon buttons is too much effort (and they're hard to get outside the US)
- aaron-santos 8y agoIs the $15 AWS IoT Button[1] too expensive? [1] https://www.amazon.com/1st-Generation-AWS-IoT-Button/dp/B01C7WE5WM/ https://www.amazon.com/1st-Generation-AWS-IoT-Button/dp/B01C...
- sitkack 8y agoesp32 + button + lipo ~= [9,15] Nice thing is you could easily have multiple buttons and lights for feedback.
- askvictor 8y agoThat's the route I'm going down, but for someone not so skilled in electric engineering, there's a bit of work getting the battery working and wiring up the switch, then making a suitable case. I'd like to just focus on the programming side of things, and am a little surprised there isn't an off the shelf solution.
- jimnotgym 8y agoIn the UK Gatwick and Heathrow airports have been there for a generation. By this I mean that the vast majority of people moved to their noise-affected houses knowing the airport was there already. Do these people deserve our sympathy? Initially i find it hard to be charitable towards them. In my local town there is a pub that has been there for around 600 years. A particularly pushy person moved in next door, complained about the noise and successfully got the licensing people to add a condition that the beer garden must be closed after a certain time. Same question again, surely they knew what to expect when they moved in?
- mcrae 8y agoI think the issue in question is that these were areas that were originally not under the flight paths, but the flight paths were recently changed to put their homes under them. So, perhaps they deserve some sympathy for the reduction in their quality of life and in the value of their homes?
- jimnotgym 8y agoI suppose there is something in what you say, but presumably this is still only an issue in the locality of an airport? I mean I am under a flight path, but the planes are very high and I can't hear them?
- SamReidHughes 8y agoLa Jolla isn't really local to the airport, and all the airplane noise I ever heard there was from military planes related to MCAS Miramar. But for starters, it's a big tall hill with books and crannies, and if planes started turning east sooner after takeoff, instead of flying over the ocean, parts of it might get some noise. I'd bet some homes get the sound magnified by the local topography.
- jonahx 8y agoThe pub situation feels very different: There you have the a 600 year tradition and the enjoyment of a whole neighborhood/community pitted against the annoyance of a single person. The ruling feels unjust, and I have little sympathy for the woman. In the airport case, the noise makes everyone's life worse. As for "you knew it when you bought," air traffic might have increased over the years, you might not have realized how bad it was going to be, etc. Sympathy here seems reasonable.
- Puer 8y agoNot that there's anything wrong with reporting on the same topic by multiple publications, but this article just seems like a poor copy of this WSJ article published in August: https://www.wsj.com/articles/airplane-noise-complaints-are-skyrocketing-i-start-pushing-that-button-at-6-33-a-m-1535121271 https://www.wsj.com/articles/airplane-noise-complaints-are-s... https://outline.com/Kp3HcG https://outline.com/Kp3HcG Out of curiosity, are there journalistic guidelines about publishing duplicate articles when there are seemingly no new pertinent developments? I haven't seen anything like this before.
- chacha102 8y agoWhy only complain about something when you remember to press a button? At some point, someone is just going to hook up a decibel meter and automatically press the button when it hits a threshold. It might file a couple of bad complaints, but if the noise difference is significant, you could definitely increase your throughput.
- sgustard 8y agoMy neighborhood has car alarms which serve a similar function (to warn of excessive noise or vibration by emitting louder noise.)
- socialist_coder 8y agoAnother aspect to this problem is that the vast majority of houses in the US are made as cheaply as possible, and that means walls with very little mass and sound absorption. If you had something like concrete walls like is typical for Germany, the plane noise would barely register.
- Johnny555 8y agoHouses in close proxmity airports can be designed to help minimize the noise -- I know someone that built a house in the flight path for SFO, so he used triple pane glass windows, clay roof tiles instead of the more typical asphalt shingles, some sort of soundproofing insulation in the attic, heavy solid wood exterior doors (with tight weatherstripping) among other things. Apparently the home builders in that area know what they need to do. It works, you can barely hear the planes go by from within the house, but outside, they are loud enough to make it hard to carry on a conversation. I think most people just get used to the noise, I used to live close to a train line - close enough that not only could I hear the train horns at the crossing, but also could hear the rumbling train cars go by and could feel the vibrations in the house. It was super annoying for the first month or so, and then I forgot about it and never really noticed it until I had a house guest that complained about the late night noise.
- chihuahua 8y agoI once stayed at an airport hotel in Zurich, Switzerland, and I was amazed that while there was a direct view of the runway from the room, you could not tell there was a plane taking off a few hundred meters away. I didn't think it was possible.
- justinph 8y agoWow, I had no idea this existed. I built a similar thing for my own personal use for my local airport (Minneapolis/MSP). I looked at using an Amazon Dash button, but the lifespan is not great and the convenience is not high. Instead, I use SMS via Twilio and their cloud functions (source: https://github.com/justinph/macnoisebutton https://github.com/justinph/macnoisebutton) It's pretty handy to be able to say to my watch "Hey Siri, text complain to Dan Boivin" to make a complaint. (Dan Boivin is the chair of the Minneapolis Airport Commission, who I have entered into my contacts). For those griping about people buying homes after airports existed, there are a couple things to defray that argument. Yes, the airports existed, but the traffic at airports have increased. Airlines are flying more smaller regional jets, which means the frequency of flights have increased. The FAA recently changed flight patterns (part of NextGen) that resulted in some areas seeing much more air traffic than they had in the past. And, airlines are not doing the steep takeoffs like they used to in an effort to conserve fuel, putting planes closer to the ground for longer, resulting in more noise.
- mhb 8y agoLooking forward to the one for leaf blowers.
- dylan604 8y agoI knew an individual that lived in a neighborhood frequently used for film shoots. “Coincidentally”, these shoots were always on days when he was planning on doing yard work. Inevitibly, some PA would come offer him some cash to convince him to postpone his yard work.
- morpheuskafka 8y agoAs someone who lives near an airport (2.4mi) and under flight paths, I honestly don't care. It's the sound of valuable commerce passing through my community and it's not worth wasting official's time with excessive complaints.
- anonytrary 8y agoI am curious why this wasn't just an app. What's the point of having a physical button other than for aesthetic gratification? If you had an app, it'd be more than just one click, but it'd only be like three "clicks" or steps. You'd have to unlock your phone, open the app, and click a button. Three steps instead of one. Not sure if that warrants a physical button. Edit: I get why pressing a physical button is therapeutic, but even an app could play some audio when you pressed the button. These people are pretty pissed off when they click these buttons, because nobody is happy when they're complaining about noise pollution. An app could even play a voice-acted "fuck you, <name of airport>" when you click the button in the app. There are about 15,000 airports in the US. You could pay 150 people $10 each to say "fuck you <airport_i>" in an angry, cathartic voice. Each person would only have to say 100 lines.
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoIt seems like a lot of users are clicking that button dozens of times a day. I suppose they might consider the extra convenience worth it, particularly at night.
- BurningFrog 8y agoOne of my pet genius ideas that will never happen is to reserve prime housing areas near airports for the deaf.
- chihuahua 8y agoYour idea is correct: According to mainstream economic theory, the invisible hand of the free market has already resulted in areas near airports being inhabited exclusively by the deaf.
- mschuster91 8y agoThe problem is IMHO not the airplane noise. As many others have written, the actual noise has gone down over the decades. The real problem is a perceived lack of democratic participation / a government that cares about its people. The interviewed people actually said so: "It makes you feel like you can make a difference", compared to manually filling out complex forms. This actually is valid also for other countries: in Munich, there is a constant battle for the expansion of the airport with a new runway. For now, the project is set on hold, but who knows how the situation will look like in 5 years w/ the then-new government in Bavaria. This was also decided above the heads of the affected population (who would have lost their homes or be affected by massive increases in noise) without including them, and politicians didn't do flying f..k and tell the affected people that the state cares for them, their well-being or whatever. For new rail tracks or those where usage exploded over decades, people had to sue the rail company for installation of noise-protection. Personal bet: Complaints about "NIMBY", endless and expensive judicial battles (as are hinted in the article), noise, playing kids, anything would go down to decent manageable levels if governments would care to meaningfully involve affected residents and give them the feeling that their voice matters for the government. The other way is to continue as usual and watch them fall to various radicals and their "the state doesn't care about you, only about <insert minority/marginalized group here>" message.
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- yawaramin 8y agoA button would be great to have for cars that run red lights and try to muscle in on pedestrians crossing while the walk sign is on. It would need a camera to catch the license plate, to be effective, though. Probably would be simpler as a phone app, just with a fast (or instant) camera. There's been a rash of pedestrian fatalities where I live recently and seemingly little by way of enforcement; it would be good to have some way to push back.
- gruez 8y agohook it up to a dashcam, and have it send the last 30s of footage.
- ddingus 8y agoMy first house had airplane noise. Was minor league, mostly Southwest airline approaches. (I never inquired why) Then, for a while, I got ultra intense! Was only for a couple months. And only intense on occasion. Maybe people complained. I had never really experienced that kind of noise. It was bone rattling. Basic, like "oh fuck, this is LOUD" Kind of liked it. I would not have had it continued.
- ams6110 8y agoI thought I was going to read about a home-sized noise cancelling system that you could activate by pressing a button when you heard an airplane overhead.
- zhoujianfu 8y agoMe too! I’d just been thinking a few days ago how amazing an invention like that would be... no more concerns about neighbors or trains or airplanes or drones... lots of property values would increase and zoning laws would become obsolete if such a thing existed.
- markbnj 8y agoI don't know, sort of feels like this thing really isn't helping anyone other than perhaps the entity collecting the $5. These folks would probably be better served by speaking with some experts to find out whether there are any feasible short term things that can even be done, and if there are then organizing to lobby officials as a group. Punching the button every time a plane flies over is probably just going to limit the effectiveness of the complaints.
- onetimemanytime 8y agoAirports aren't going away. Engine makers aren't making them any quieter, laws of physics and time (airplanes in service for decades) Airplanes have to follow a certain path and certain procedures, for example they can't land like helicopters from 30,000 feet. So for the people that bought cheaper homes near an airports, it sucks, but get used to it (other than a rare case when the plane deviated from standard procedure). Maybe they'll make complaint filing manual.
- sokoloff 8y agoEngine makers have dramatically reduced engine noise and continue to do so. Some aircraft have “hush kits” developed and installed.
- tomohawk 8y agoAn air traffic controller acquaintance of mine warned me that they were making changes and that planes on approach would be flying at lower altitudes as a result. Sure enough, jet noise has gotten ridiculous. They have them flying way too low way too far out. You can be 10 - 20 miles out and have a jet noise such that you have to yell to be heard.
- lovemenot 8y agoCould there ever be such a thing as domestic noise cancelation? Presumably it would need precise location of ear-drums, such as by wearing a RF reflective stud on the ear lobe. And multiple time-of-flight receivers for triangulation. I guess, if it were possible such a system would be much better when two or more people are not in the same room together.
- _archon_ 8y agoI have just figured out the perfect IoT device to solve this problem: Push a button when local infrastructure makes you angry. The device figures out your location from GPS and user input on setup. The device then searches for a local realtor, and sends them an email saying that the device's owner wants to move. The realtor handles it from there. If flight paths are changing, the housing market will adjust. If you don't want to be subject to the vagaries of metropolitan infrastructure, buy land in the middle of nowhere.
- diogenescynic 8y agoSomeone should do the same thing for filing complaints about homeless camps in San Francisco.
- Farradfahren 8y agoImagine a forrest canopys of zeppelins, floating above your house, shielding it from noise, generating electricity. Would you be interested? Very interested? Not interested?
- nealmueller 8y agoDoes a noise abatement complaint service like this exist for garbage trucks that come in the middle of the night?
- tristor 8y agoI wish this would also work with military flights. There's a lot of people here talking about NIMBYism and how you should know before you buy your house and what-not. I agree with most of that, except I don't think it fairly applies here in many cases. Take myself as an anecdote. I bought a house in a nice, quiet, neighborhood 7 years ago. I also live in a city with multiple active military bases, including two Air Force bases which do training flights. At the time it was established practice to limit training flights to daytime if they were overflying residential areas, I worked night-shift so it was annoying, but what can you do? Now I work days, and multiple times per day and into the late night (stops around Midnight/1AM) there will be military training flights over my neighborhood. These are not high-altitude flyovers with some noise, these are young Air Force pilots in training flying over low, and sometimes breaking the sound barrier over my neighborhood (but at least high enough altitude that it's not breaking windows). I've adapted by basically shifting my sleep schedule so I go to bed around Midnight when it stops. What else can I do? Short of using my personal connections locally to find out who their CO is and calling them on the phone directly, there is basically no process for me to complain. I'm also pretty certain that generating sonic booms over a neighborhood at night is probably against their training orders, and they'd get disciplined, but since I have no pathway to complain and it's something that could not reasonably be expected, I'm just stuck with it unless I want to move. It's not a daily occurrence, but probably happens at least 3-4 times per week after 9PM. There's a reason the pricing for homes is lower next to the airport or next to the Air Force base vs in my previously quiet neighborhood which is in a suburb more than 5 miles from both.