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iPhone 8
- 45h34jh53k4j 9y agoThe good model -- with TouchID. Buy this one, not that FaceID crap.
- yahna 9y agoSeriously, what a stupid move. TouchID is fantastic.
- partycrusherr 9y agoand you have to watch to iphone now in order to unlock it. with touchid it was unnecessary.
- santaclaus 9y agoDoes a case block the wireless charging?
- Karunamon 9y agoIt depends on the characteristics of the case and how far it stands the phone off from the base. For what it's worth, my last phone with Qi was a Blackberry Priv with an Otterbox Defender case, and it charged just fine. I'd be very surprised if Apple didn't make allowances for something that common.
- saagarjha 9y agoIt needs to be a thin one. Wireless charging usually requires the device to be within a couple millimeters.
- mildweed 9y agoIf your case stores your credit cards on the back of the phone like I do, yes.
- LeoPanthera 9y agoI bet you the Apple cases don't.
- schraitle 9y agoI have a regular UAG case and it allows wireless charging just fine
- wvenable 9y agoOn my Samsung S7 the (relatively thick) case doesn't block the wireless charging.
- Tepix 9y agoIt was interesting to see how Apple tried to market the fact that you have to look at the phone for FaceID to work. I see that as a hassle, not a feature.
- DanHulton 9y agoI don't think it went far enough. Consider the circumstance where an office or agent wants your phone unlocked. Your passcode is protected, your thumbprint is currently in debate, but holding your phone to your face? If that just always unlocked your phone without any sort of interaction from you? That's an uncomfortable level of privacy loss.
- LeoPanthera 9y agoThey did say you have to look directly at the phone. If looking away is enough to prevent it from unlocking, that doesn't seem too bad.
- ihuman 9y agoIn addition, you also have to have your eyes open for the phone to unlock.
- monkmartinez 9y agoSo it will not work with sunglasses? FAIL if true.
- rdudek 9y agoThey said water resistant, but can I drop it in pool and still use it?
- Cookingboy 9y agoYes
- nsxwolf 9y agoI bet they still don't cover water damage.
- rdudek 9y agoThat's what I'm afraid of. I have the 6s Plus right now and when going swimming with kids and recording stuff, I'm always terrified of dropping the phone into the water. Yet, the apple watch can be submerged fine.
- pilsetnieks 9y ago6S wasn't rated as water resistant, only 7 was.
- schraitle 9y agoThe first footnote claims an IP67 rating
- Viper007Bond 9y agoThere's YouTube videos of previous iPhones hanging out underwater for an hour with no problems. I think this is more of an official rating or whatnot.
- madeofpalk 9y agoWorth noting that this isn't new to iPhones, and it was introduced last year specifically in regards to protecting against falling into a pool.
- emersonrsantos 9y agoSo many people already complaining of iPhone X black strip, how they overlook something so basic?
- monkmartinez 9y agoYou mean the notch of sensors? Yeah... not good.
- nnutter 9y agoI was ok with it until they played a video clip and it played it with the (partial) black strip.
- BinaryIdiot 9y agoSame. I think you can get used to the notch itself but if you're watching a video fullscreen then they _really_ need to fill in the rest so it's a solid black bar versus it obscuring part of the actual video.
- rpowers 9y agoLikely a software fix. The video they played was also from the 'memories' feature which may attempt 19.5:9 aspect ratio video when in reality most videos are 16:9.
- jamesrcole 9y agoI think the true test is what people think about it after using one of the phones for a while. People very often make a big fuss about things they think they aren't going to like, where they often completely forget about it after a bit of time actually experiencing it.
- mastax 9y agoWell you need to put the proximity sensor and camera (and IR dot projector) somewhere. The options seem to be: - Thin, symmetrical bezels (Samsung S8, LG V30) - Notch at top (iPhone X, Essential Phone) - Big bezel at bottom (Xiaomi Mi Mix & Mi Mix 2) It does seem an oversight that they don't just black out the space on full screen video and apps, though. That works fine on the essential phone, and it still looks cool in the launcher which has proper support.
- adventist 9y agoSo basically android of three years ago?
- theshrike79 9y agoWhoa, Qualcomm really had some awesome processors 3 years ago! Oh. Wait.
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- jaytaylor 9y agoNo reintroduction of the headphone jack? Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire. Needlessly locking customers to Apple-only ecosystem of hardware since iPhone 7, Apple now signals clueless consumption rather than high-status to me. Will be interesting to see what happens with the upcoming arrival of Pixel2. Edit Why the downvotes? If you disagree I'd prefer (and be interested) to hear how I'm wrong, rather than drive-by downvotes with no communication.
- minimaxir 9y agoYou can use any Bluetooth headphones with the iPhone, it's not hardware lock-in. I believe Android phones are starting to abandon the headphone jack as well.
- simonh 9y agoThey started years before Apple did.
- Brendinooo 9y ago>Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire iPhone sales have been mostly fine, right? It's not like the removal of the headphone jack cratered sales or anything. >Needlessly locking customers to Apple-only ecosystem of hardware since iPhone 7 Pretty sure non-Apple Bluetooth headsets work with the 7. >Apple now signals clueless consumption rather than high-status to me Anyone here with an iPhone might not like being called clueless; might have led to a downvote or two.
- simonh 9y agoI'm an iPhone owner who downvoted, but honest truth if he'd been taking about Samsung I'd have downvoted. Uninformed bile like that has no place on HN. Passion, high standards, a critical attitude fine, but at least get the facts right.
- crgt 9y agoCourage! In all seriousness, if you were expecting a reintroduction of the headphone jack, you might as well wait for them to reintroduce floppy disks. Apple only looks forward. That's just how they roll.
- jra101 9y agoFirst Apple SoC using their own GPU design, no more PowerVR IP.
- Crespyl 9y agoAnd still pushing Metal...
- tryingagainbro 9y agoI was in tech when iPhone came out, the original one. I thought that they might make money but to a tiny, tiny percent of people. Boy was I wrong...in some countries an iPhone costs like 6 months of net-salary, yet they buy it. Status symbol, you don't know I'm a "loser" making $150 a month, but you know that I have an iPhone. So I'm willing to trust that Apple knows what they do. Of course they will know what they do....until they don't :)
- monkmartinez 9y ago> Status symbol, you don't know I'm a "loser" making $150 a month, but you know that I have an iPhone. So very sad. Generally you see this with people that can afford it the least. $999 for the base model is just ridiculous. Next year Apple will offer the "first ever", "incredible" 10 year amortization on the iPhone XI. Soon they will reach price parity with the MBP and one could have apple gear or a down payment on a nice house Phoenix.
- a_c_s 9y agoThe iPhone 8 is $699 for the base model in the USA. ($999 is for the iPhone X, which has a separate discussion thread)
- shinratdr 9y ago> $999 for the base model is just ridiculous. Why? It's not the "base model" it's the lowest capacity of the absolute highest end phone in the lineup, which now comprises five different phones at much more reasonable price points. So your argument is basically that no phone should be that expensive? I can't speak for anyone else but I hate that. What is wrong with a super-premium phone? If anything phones are frustratingly constrained by their price point. People use them in the way they used laptops 10 years ago, they're your central communication hub and for many people their secondary or even primary computer. What's wrong with having a high end option for those that use their phone more than everything else. I'm buying the iPhone X day one. Why wouldn't I? I haven't upgraded my desktop, laptop, gaming PC, tablet, or smartwatch in 2-4 years, but that's because I don't use any of those things even close to as much as I use my phone. If I'm spending multiple hours a day every day using something, you'd better believe it should be the best one available. If you don't feel that way, there are four other iPhone options and countless Android options at your disposal.
- CydeWeys 9y agoWho wants an all-glass phone? I get that the designers want this, but do actual users really want something so fragile? I've only ever had phones with plastic or metal backs, and I've never bemoaned the fact that they weren't breakable enough.
- wlesieutre 9y agoiPhone 4S was my first and favorite smartphone. Glass front/back with a metal edge. Back when phones were hand-sized they were a lot harder to drop.
- NathanCH 9y agoiPhone 4/4S design was awesome. It's funny how Apple is calling this an all-new glass design when other phones on the market have a similar design and Apple themselves had this design five years ago.
- jsjohnst 9y ago> all-new glass design It's technically true, it is all new. No other phone was the same (just very very damn similar). Yes, it's a cheap marketing phrase that's meaningless, kinda par for the course with an Apple keynote.
- djrogers 9y agoIt is an all-new design - they never said or even implied that being all glass was new, but it is clearly an all-new design.
- Shivetya 9y agoand it created a wonderful market for people sell replacement back glass. still does it really matter? how many phones are not in cases?
- mynegation 9y agoNo kidding, iPhone 4/4S was a paramount of iPhone design and it all went downhill from there. I was almost literally crying when I had to upgrade my iPhone 4 that got unbearably slow and dated, to monstrosity that is iPhone 6.
- clydethefrog 9y agoYes, the planet got destroyed, but for a beautiful moment in time we created a talking poo app.
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- saagarjha 9y agoAre you trying to make a reference to the environment here? iPhone is one of the most environmentally friendly phones you can buy.
- mannigfaltig 9y agoUnfortunately, the most environmentally friendly phone is still a horrible polluter because it is purposefully built to justify an upgrade each year, as required to survive in our beautiful free market.
- partycrusherr 9y agoWhy are all smartphones so thick and heavy nowadays??? Even my 3 years old iPhone 5S is 7.6mm and weights 112 gramms. New model is 7.3mm and weights 150 gramm. It is worse than a 3 years old model!!!
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- Androider 9y agoNeat, wireless charging, exactly like I had on my Nexus 5, around 5 years ago :) The best thing about the iPhone 8 is that it might finally make wireless chargers more commonplace, they are extremely convenient as Android users have been trying to tell for years. Here's another one trick Apple might want to pick up on: I own both an iPhone 7 and a Nexus 6P, and the fingerprint sensor being in the middle of the back on 6P is unquestionably a better choice (Samsung messes up the placement). You can pick up the phone, unlock, and pull down the notification shade in one single natural motion. Maybe a few years from now...
- whipoodle 9y agoThe wireless charging is a gimmick. If you have a new iPhone, a new Apple Watch, and AirPods with apparently the proper case, then it could be compelling. I prefer to just have fewer things that need charging. As you point out, it could have been done earlier but I'm guessing they waited because the utility is so small. Whereas Android manufacturers seem to want the most features, the most checks on the list, even if they don't necessarily work too well.
- jamesrcole 9y agoI haven't used wireless charging and am neutral about it. Why do you think it's a gimmick?
- Karunamon 9y agoGenerally you can mentally sub out "gimmick" for "feature I don't use or understand" in any discussion. It's equally as meaningful and conveys the same information.
- majormajor 9y agoI've owned one phone with wireless charging and I have no particular need for another one. It'll be handy if it becomes ubiquitous - put the phone on a pad at the coffee shop is more convenient than carrying a cable to plug in to a USB outlet - but a relatively minor thing for me. I'm often not at my desk at work, so when I am, I want wired so it charges as fast as possible. Additionally, both for during the day and at night, charging with a wire has the big convenience advantage of being able to use the phone while charging it.
- _benj 9y agoI'm so underwhelm right now... They are giving so much marketing to wireless charging, seriously?? that's $11 on amazon years ago!! FaceID, hasn't Microsoft and Android been experimenting with that for quite a while now? Apart from what has been motioned here already... can I just find a facebook picture of the person and unlock the phone!? I miss the days when Android imitated apple...
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- Crespyl 9y agoThe "picture of person" attack works for basic version of facial recognition, like the one Google or Samsung have been doing for ages (though I think both now allow you to require a moving face with blinking or whatever). What Apple (and Microsoft via Hello) are doing is a little more interesting, and they're actually capturing a 3D model of the face, using an IR projector that works a bit like the Kinect did. They feed that model into an on-device hardware accelerated machine learning engine to do the recognition, and the results are substantially more robust than the traditional 2D versions. Personally, I'm still not entirely sold on using any kind of biometrics to unlock my device, but this does represent an interesting improvement. I'm more interested in just having that machine learning hardware readily available and built into every new phone, it will be really interesting to see what devs do with it.
- theshrike79 9y agoBiometrics is always better than no passcode, using just a finger or 3D face model is a major hurdle for your basic phone thief. If your threat model includes state actors, then you shouldn't be using any of these. Also start to toughen up your body for rubber hose crypto :)
- astrange 9y agoThe recent attack videos on Samsung phones are apparently because the store demo script doesn't do face matching, and actually accepts any face at all.
- bryanlarsen 9y agoNo update to the SE? My wife has been holding on to her 4S for a long time because she thinks the 4.7" model is too big.
- a_c_s 9y agoNope, unless one counts dropping the price. However since it was released in March many Apple-watchers expect any updated version to also be released in the Spring as well. (This seems more likely now since Apple didn't kill the iPhone SE)
- 333c 9y agoI seem to recall reading rumors somewhere that Apple doesn't have plans for another SE. I hope this isn't true, though, because I love my SE and I hope that when it's time for a new phone, it can be an SE.
- acomjean 9y agoThe memory is finally enough even on the base model (64/256). I know a couple people who bought the lowest before (16gb) and it was painful. They'd actually swap apps in and out. Solid upgrade. I'll hang onto my 6s and my wired headphone ways a bit longer though.
- giarc 9y agoI'd argue that 64GB is not enough. I was surprised to see that level of memory. I imagine 4K video at 60fps would eat up a lot of that 64GB.
- Lramseyer 9y agoThis may sound like the most ridiculous criticism, but I was really disappointed that the iPhone still uses the lightning charger port and not USB-C. Every other device charges with it including Apple's own laptops. Though seeing how long they take to adopt some features that seem standard to android users (like 4G LTE and wireless charging) in their smartphones, I guess this is to be expected.
- TazeTSchnitzel 9y agoIt's because of licensing fees and controlling the accessory market.
- ianai 9y agoIt might be that and that they moved to the lightning connector too recently. Those cables and adapters add up to a lot of angst from people.
- umeshunni 9y agoIt's very valid criticism. I was hoping that with the move to Qi for wireless, Apple would also move to USB-C for wired charging. It's ridiculous that you can buy a new iPhone and a new Macbook pro and they need a USB to lightning adapter to connect to each other.
- whyenot 9y agoIt's pretty silly, Apple used to pay attention to details like this. But, how often do people plug their phones into their computers these days? Speaking for myself, it's probably been a couple of years since I last did that.
- hobarrera 9y agoI do so when I need to charge it anywhere outside home. I don't bring a power adapter, just the cable. Also, for those who have USB-C laptops, it would mean one-cable to rule them all -- even if they don't plug the phone into the laptop itself.
- Alex3917 9y agoI'm disappointed that this doesn't support any of the 600mhz spectrum that is now coming online. This actually provides a fairly strong reason not to upgrade, since anyone buying a phone this year is going to miss out on this functionality next year unless they want to upgrade after only a year.
- bpicolo 9y agoI don't think Qualcomm/Intel are ready to ship 600mhz chips at scale yet (is probably the issue)? That's what's suggested by a cursory googling
- benbenolson 9y ago21.26MB is quite a high price for a single webpage. That's what's so obnoxious about the Apple website; it's a huge amount of marketing and huge images.
- givinguflac 9y agoYou realize this page is specifically for marketing right? Would you prefer they just posted a .txt?
- ngrilly 9y agoThe only thing my S7 Edge lacks compared to this is the telephoto lens.
- brunt 9y ago>All battery claims depend on network configuration and many other factors; actual results will vary. They may not be the only offenders but it bugs me that the tech specs don't tell you the battery capacity in mAH. Instead they give a relative number of hours and compare to previous phones. Those aren't tech specs, they're claims-- which they can say in fine print are unreliable.
- 333c 9y agoOn the other hand, a capacity in mAH is not the only spec about battery life they should provide. Each new phone tends to consume more battery, due to new processors, bigger screens, or other factors, so an indication of typical battery life is useful.
- GFischer 9y agoNot always. The newer Qualcomm chips consume significantly less battery due to changing to 14nm and 10nm processes. Switching to OLED (as Apple did) also increases battery life.
- djrogers 9y agoWhat would mAH tell you? Do you know the power consumption of the A11 chip, OLED screen, wireless stack, motion coprocessor, etc? It's not like you can compare battery life between an iPhone and a JoJoMe $20 android phone based on mAH - that would be even less useful than an estimate of battery life.
- stevewillows 9y agoThis is a pretty phone -- but I really wish they'd make a smaller phone around the size of the 5S with the option to change the resolution (e.g. LittleBrother in Cydia). My 5S is slowly dying -- but I can't find a good replacement (new or used) that can be jailbroken. For me its the perfect phone, but I'm an extremely light phone user (email, phone, imessage, Simon Tatham's Net and Galaxy puzzles). I guess I was hoping that they'd update the SE. Dear Google, please build a native desktop client for one of your many SMS apps. -
- jotjotzzz 9y agoI'm happily using the iPhone SE. I switched from an iPhone 6 because I like the form factor of the iPhone 5. I too wish that they would update the SE, but in all honesty it is powerful enough with the right camera specs and it is a perfect traveler camera... For now, I'm staying put. I also still love using the headphone jack.
- stevewillows 9y agoThis is fantastic. I'm definitely going the SE route. It seems that with most new designs of Apple hardware there is a design choice I actively want to avoid -- e.g. lack of headphone jack with the new phones, the bar on the MBPs. A week or two ago a few dead spots started happening with my 5S. I can do most things, but I can't use the delete button when entering a phone number, and a certain row in Net can't be moved (this is my main concern...) Now, if I can only find one on 9.3.3 I will be in paradise.
- Fezzik 9y agoThey still may, I hope. The SE was first released in March (2016), and it has been selling like hot-cakes... or very well, at a minimum. Having a iPhone on an alternative release schedule seems smart as well. edit: to add the date of release.
- akvadrako 9y agoThe SE was updated in the spring, so you're complaining that the model is already 6 months old.
- gallerdude 9y agoDoesn't seem like a huge improvement over the 7 - I guess they're trying to put all the focus on the X, but it'll be curious to see where they go from here.
- Skunkleton 9y agoI like the neural processor. More things being local is nice.
- maxxxxx 9y agoDo people still get excited about phones? It seems they are pretty much commodity now. I haven't seen anything really interesting over the last few years.
- LeoPanthera 9y agoI am shocked that this is the top comment. It's entirely negative and has nothing useful to say. The fact that this post is on the front page pretty strongly implies that people care, doesn't it? We live with our phones with us practically 24/7. If you're a dev, surely that's still exciting.
- pc2g4d 9y agoThis 8/X split is confusing me. Is one supposed to be higher/lower end? Or are they just different?
- nostrademons 9y agoX is the flagship phone, and it's implied that it's the beginning of a new line of phones (the same way OS X was the beginning of a new line of operating systems, breaking with MacOS 9). 8 is the latest generation of the traditional iPhone line, succeeding the iPhone 7.