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It's almost comical how overcrowded BART has gotten at rush hour. Embarcadero and Powell stations become standing room only. I live deep in the east bay, and th
by aphextron 9y ago
It's almost comical how overcrowded BART has gotten at rush hour. Embarcadero and Powell stations become standing room only. I live deep in the east bay, and the new apartment building going up across the street has 1 bedroom layouts starting at $2800. Something has to give, or people will simply give up.
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- vidoc 9y ago> Riding BART into and out of SF as a commute is ridiculous at a new level nowadays. Especially given the shocking number of uneducated people who insist on keeping their backpacks on their shoulders despite the train being packed. Totally pisses me off!
- hossbeast 9y agoHow do you know they're uneducated?
- noobermin 9y agoPerhaps they mean "uneducated in riding public transport in a way that doesn't hassle other passengers."
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- Sleeep 9y agoAnecdotal I know but from what I've seen they probably know they should put their backpacks in front, they just don't care. I went to a museum once where patrons were asked to either wear their backpacks in front of them or lock them up near the entrance. Literally almost everyone disregarded those instructions and put their backpacks on their back despite being asked directly multiple times to put their backpacks in front. They would for a quick second then move them to their back once the museum staff looked away. It was a real eye opener on people's self centeredness.
- nwatson 9y agoIn Spanish and Portuguese "mal educado" == literally "poorly educated" is used to mean "someone with poor etiquette ... doesn't know how things should work" ... writer probably means in that sense.
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- richardknop 9y agoHe meant "uneducated" on how to behave in the tube. We would say the same thing in Europe if somebody is walking on the wrong side of escalators or similar, it doesn't mean we are literally saying they are uneducated.
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- hossbeast 9y agoThanks, I'm unfamiliar with this usage. It was an honest question, don't know why I got downvoted.
- santaclaus 9y agoOk, while we are on BART gripes: what is the deal with people trying to squeeze their way upstream and board the cars before everyone has fully detrained? In NYC peeps form little ad-hoc queues to the left and right of the doors, let the exiters exit, then enter in two quick streams. In the Bay, I feel like MFing Moses trying to part the sea when exiting a train. Don't even get me started on the weird station lines that people form at Embarcadero/Montgomery/Powell...
- ihaveajob 9y agoIt's even more annoying given that passengers waiting to board know EXACTLY where the door will be when the train stops, thanks to those black edge marks. It might not be a bad idea to ask BART to add some floor marks telling people where to line up on crowded stations.
- kcanini 9y agoSeems like adding these stickers would be useful: http://thesource.metro.net/2013/02/13/new-platform-decals-reinforce-the-message-let-people-off-the-train-before-boarding-the-train/ http://thesource.metro.net/2013/02/13/new-platform-decals-re...
- makr17 9y agoYou'd think, but at crowded platfroms people are still standing right in the middle of the yellow, and don't budge when the train arrives. :-(
- Draco_Au 9y agoI hear ya. SF is a cowtown compared to NYC, a true capital of the world. Our role is to educate these people I guess, but this place is being overrun by the Chinese and they don't have the best of manners. I don't appreciate families hogging the Muni, sitting their last three generations in the first Mickey Mouse seats of the Vehicle, ugh...
- amelius 9y agoI like those backpacks. They provide a nice buffer between me and the next person, allowing for some breathing space.
- deepGem 9y agoI've seen the same behavior in London tube and Singapore MRT as well, despite display boards that indicate removing backpacks in crowded trains. Mumbai locals handle this in the best possible way, you simply cannot get on the train during peak traffic if you have a backpack. I mean you probably can wiggle in, your backpack might not :)
- eeZah7Ux 9y agoPlacing the backpack at your feet takes almost the same space, unless you are really fat, plus it becomes a tripping hazard and gets kicked.
- yardie 9y agoUnless you are a slug, or have elephantitis, your torso and arms take up twice the volume of your legs.
- cat199 9y agoIt's called 'straddling'. This way, the space between your legs (which is about the same width as your shoulders) serves as a convenient location to store said bag, while also allowing you to stand over it and thereby protect it from trips/kicks and reduce your overall surface footprint.
- orblivion 9y agoPisses me off that I have to take off my bag. I have to keep my feet together to protect it, which doesn't help my balancing leverage.
- vidoc 9y agoTry to just hang it with your hands, you'll see, it's not that bad and the bonus is that you don't piss off other people.
- stale2002 9y agoCorrect. And the best way to fix Bart overcrowding is to build apartments near where people work so they don't HAVE to commute.
- smashingfiasco 9y agoJust want to point out that Detroit built itself this way through the 1950's and 1960's. At the time, urban planners thought it would be efficient and sensible design. What ended up happening, though, is that as factories shuttered, the neighborhoods that were built around them started to collapse. The net result was pockets of localized decay, that eventually led to the entire urban area rotting as more people left. It's actually kind of stunning to see in person. (I live about 50 min South of Detroit). And oh, the riots of 1967 didn't help, either. It's hard to imagine that happening the the metro-Bay area, but I remind myself that people once thought GM, Chrysler and Ford could never go under.
- jtmcmc 9y agoif your entire economy rapidly contracts then you're going to have pockets of decay regardless. Detroit also is a massively sprawling city with 138 sq miles of land vs. SF's 49 square miles of land and oakland's 55 sq miles of land.
- ben_jones 9y agoI had a similar thought seeing all the office/luxury condo construction going up in Redwood City. Their can't be more then a handful of "large" tech companies in the immediate vicinity and what will happen when they inevitably downsize (as almost all companies do over the course of decades...)?
- astrange 9y agoRWC is a great place to commute as far as Hayward, SJ near 101, or SF near Caltrain. I wouldn’t be worried about living there at all.
- posguy 9y ago
- fatbird 9y agoPeople should give up. People should leave the area. They should move where they can find a job and a cost of living that's reasonable. The fact that people don't give up is why landlords can afford to charge $2,800/month for a 1 bedroom. You can't rent at $2,800/month if no one will sign the lease.
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- Houshalter 9y agoMove where exactly? So many people want to live there for a reason. If moving to another city saves you $1k a month on rent, but you lose $1.5k in income, it doesn't make any economic sense.
- timothycrosley 9y agoSeattle. Lose ~2-5 thousand a year in income on average as a Software engineer, save 1-2 thousand a month on rent, and no income tax: https://www.codementor.io/blog/best-cities-software-engineer-earnings-271vpf599k https://www.codementor.io/blog/best-cities-software-engineer...
- toephu2 9y agoEvery city has its pros and cons. Seattle is no exception. You move to Seattle so you can save a couple bucks, okay so what? Then you get seasonal depression because its overcast all the time.* *except during summer when it's beautiful
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoEh, I've been in LA for a year and it's too darn sunny. I can't wait to move back to Seattle and get some good pine scented rain again. But I get your intention, and it's been our strategy for a few decades now: over exaggerate seattle's rain problem to keep Californians from moving up and driving housing prices up even further. Unfortunately, it's no longer working, Seattle just keeps getting more popular and more pricey every year.
- poisonarena 9y agoI live in Mexico City, riding the metro here.. well during rush hour... I wont go into it
- richardknop 9y agoThat's normal in every major city. Tube is stand only during rush hour.