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MacOS Sierra

151 points by amingilani 10y ago

aaronharnly 10y ago
> "Copy a quote, image, or video from an app on one device and paste it into an app on another device." Oh my I'm looking forward to this. How many silly workarounds (pastebins, email drafts, iMessages to self, Safari bookmarks) have we used to approximate this?
- fokinsean 10y ago
  You should check this out, I've been using and enjoying it for a while. My previous solution was sending emails to myself, so painful lol https://www.pushbullet.com/ https://www.pushbullet.com/
  - singularity2001 10y ago
    Sign up with Google or Facebook ... no thanks
    - dabockster 10y ago
      Pushbullet was developed more with Android in mind.
- pazimzadeh 10y ago
  Do you know if you have to be on the same wifi network for this to work, like with AirDrop?
  - rgovostes 10y ago
    You don't need to be on the same Wi-Fi network to use AirDrop.
  - zyang 10y ago
    It's backed by iCloud so I assume it would work across networks.
  - tomku 10y ago
    AirDrop doesn't require you to be on the same wifi network, or even for the devices to have internet access. I use it to toss files from my Macbook to my (completely offline) iPad regularly.
- quantumhobbit 10y ago
  While they're at it, can we make paste and match style the default? I can never remember the four key chord to do this and as a result send emails that look like ransom notes because of mismatched formatting.
  - harlanlewis 10y ago
    I also find this frustrating. For applications where it happens frequently, you can map paste/paste-and-match to keystrokes you can remember using System Prefs > Keyboard > Shortcuts > App Shortcuts. There isn't a global change you can make without 3rd party tools, AFAIK. For frequently-used shortcuts that have hard-to-remember modifiers, I change them to the full set of shift-ctrl-opt-cmd so that just mashing my hand across the entire corner of the keyboard will get the job done. Has the nice side effect of (usually) avoiding the unexpected overwrite of other default app shortcuts.
    - uonce 10y ago
      Can't you put it under "All Applications" to have it take effect in all apps?
      - ianferrel 10y ago
        Yes, but it will break Cmd-V as "Paste" on apps that don't have a "Paste and Match Style" option. :(
  - colmvp 10y ago
    My occasional workaround has been to paste in a text editor as plain text. I agree though, that the paste and match style should be default.
  - pkamb 10y ago
    You can do the "paste into address bar and re-copy" dance. I'm getting pretty fast! CMD-C CMD-T CMD-V CMD-A CMD-C CMD-W CMD-V
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- israrkhan 10y ago
  Having I iCloud access to your clipboard is scary ( unless it is encrypted E2E). Now your data, that was otherwise not meant to go to cloud, will endup being there.
  - giovannibajo1 10y ago
    I assume it will be backed by the same transport channel used for Handoff / Continuity, which is E2E-encrypted between devices and work on either wifi or bluetooth.
  - nyc640 10y ago
    Do you have a source for that? According to this (not so definitive) source [1] it's peer to peer like the rest of the continuity features. [1] http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/23/macos-sierra-preview-univeral-clipboard-desktop-documents-sync/ http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/23/macos-sierra-preview...
    - israrkhan 10y ago
      I dont know the exact implementation. But following article suggests that there is some lag due to data being exchanged with iCloud. http://www.cnet.com/au/how-to/macos-sierras-universal-clipboard-is-awesome/ http://www.cnet.com/au/how-to/macos-sierras-universal-clipbo...
  - yaegers 10y ago
    Agreed. "Copy Password to Clipboard", anyone? The thought of having that being transmitted unencrypted to a cloud server is not a nice one...
- pault 10y ago
  Great, I'm so looking forward to apple having access to all of my porn links.
  - hundchenkatze 10y ago
    If you're using iOS or Mac OS X/macOS then Apple already has access to far more than links you copy into the clipboard.
- ismail 10y ago
  I recall hacking together a something like this with automator,short cut key and an api call that would send my iPhone 3g/3gs a push notification or mms around 2008-2009. Moved off iPhone eventually.
- odbol_ 10y ago
  Pushbullet nails it. Bonus: it works with your non-Apple devices too!
- josteink 10y ago
  > How many silly workarounds have we used for this? As a Linux and android user, I would have to say none. KDE Connect does this and is absolutely great. It's a good feature and I'm not surprised that Apple copied it. What does surprise me is how it's seemingly copied in a insecure way which includes cloud transfer, and not keeping it constrained to your LAN. Oh well.
prh8 10y ago
Heads up for anyone using Karabiner to remap their keyboard-- it's not updated for Sierra yet. I figure that's a more popular app among HN crowd than most places, and losing it is really painful.
- easychris 10y ago
  Oh, thanks. That saved me from a lot of trouble. :) This is the Github issue if anyone needs to subscribe to this issue: https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner/issues/660 https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner/issues/660 EDIT: I read the comments at above issue; the version for MacOS Sierra is being developed as "Karabiner-Elements" [1] And you can make a donation to the author here[2]. [1] https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements [2] https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/donation.html.en https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/donation.html.en
  - ctrlrsf 10y ago
    This README[1] has instructions for installing Karabiner-Elements and has a few examples for mapping some common keys such as caps-lock to escape: [1] https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements/blob/master/usage/README.md https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements/blob/master/usa...
    - hyh1048576 10y ago
      Does that mean Karabiner and Seil are now combined? I mapped my Caps Lock to escape, but I just realized that it's not by Karabiner, and I need Seil from the same author to do it.
- ralfd 10y ago
  What can Karabiner do better than Ukelele? http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=ukelele http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=...
  - prh8 10y ago
rubidium 10y ago
"Siri makes its debut on Mac"<- because cortana received such positive reviews? Siri has been in iOS since 2011 and still can't handle basic parsing/questions. There was that demo of something that looked a lot better, but I've never seen it actual rolled into the product.
- matwood 10y ago
  Is it a voice/accent thing? Siri and Google both do fine with my general questions and commands. If you have some list, I would love to test them.
  - tomschlick 10y ago
    Same here. I use Siri to dictate text messages over my car's audio system and it works 9/10 times without a typo.
  - BinaryIdiot 10y ago
    > Siri and Google both do fine with my general questions and commands I think it depends. For instance asking Siri while my phone is locked what time it is and Siri will tell me (useful when I'm across the room, in the shower, etc). Google? I ask it for the time and it tells me to unlock the phone. Yet Siri can't handle asking anything about current events whereas Google can. If only there were a way to combine them or at least see progress on them working on their shortcomings.
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- pfranz 10y ago
  I keep hearing, both from the media and individuals, Apple Watch is way better at dictating than iPhone (nobody really knows why). I have seen increases both in latency and accuracy using the same phone/mic. I wonder what the major issues are for bad Siri experience? It does seem like they're continuously improving it. Often, it seems like a technology like this gets released, it kind of works, and you don't see any more development.
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amingilani 10y ago
OP here. OT, but I came across a post on HN saying macOS Sierra was out, and it gave instructions on how to navigate to it from the App Store for download. So I did, then I copied the direct link and posted it. Now I'm on the front page. HN is funny.
- BinaryIdiot 10y ago
  Your post provided less friction. The least amount of friction typically wins :)
acdanger 10y ago
I'd rather see updated Mac hardware. According to MacRumors, it's been 490 days since the last MacBook Pro Retina was released.
- whorleater 10y ago
  We'd all like to see new Mac hardware but it's not like the OS X team is pulling engineers from the hardware team.
- jamesfmilne 10y ago
  MacMini 705 days (2 years) Mac Pro 1009 days (almost 3 years) Appalling!
  - newscracker 10y ago
    Yeah, it is appalling. Making Macs has truly become a tiny side business for Apple in more ways than one. It's clear that Macs don't make a dent in its profits and so aren't important. Considering how much money Apple has, it's not an issue of not having people to work on this or of lack of talent.
    - csydas 10y ago
      I'd love a new Mac as much as anyone else, but really for what they do, they do most everything well right now. Until prices favor a major upgrade or Apple favors a major change to macOS, I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to do an iterative update of the non-mobile line. A new iPhone moves products. A new Mac, not as much. The desktop/laptop realm enjoys a great amount of freedom in that most everything works well and there just aren't a lot of features that Apple is ready to compete on. They aren't going to win with gaming, they aren't controlling enough of the market to battle for niche programs, and the major software suites they do have run pretty damn well on current hardware. It would be a numbers update only and I just don't really see a lot of reason until Apple starts doing something to justify the numbers. Youtube and Facebook can only load so fast for their users.
dtang 10y ago
Is there anything noteworthy under the hood that would compel power users to upgrade? None of the features listed on Apple.com look like things that would be useful from my perspective.
- teamhappy 10y ago
  I guess the new file system is kind of exciting.
  - newscracker 10y ago
    The new file system (APFS) will be released in 2017. It's available only as a developer preview now with macOS Sierra.
    - teamhappy 10y ago
      Shoot. (Siri, wake me in 2017.)
      - nyreed 10y ago
        Okay, I found this on the web for 'wake me in twenty seventeen'
- jasonkostempski 10y ago
  I'm sure there are plenty of new insane defaults with obscure configurations to disable on which to test their powers.
- zZorgz 10y ago
  I look forward to having tabs for most document based apps.
- shawkinaw 10y ago
  APFS (pre-release)
- martinp 10y ago
bitsweet 10y ago
Sierra wiped my iTunes library
- givinguflac 10y ago
  That sucks. Are you sure you weren't using iCloud library and need to enable it to download the music? Or perhaps iTunes by default doesn't show music in the cloud? Would be interested in your resolution, though I've not heard of this anywhere else.
- taigeair 10y ago
  That's a problem... Can you elaborate?
  - bitsweet 10y ago
    It wiped my playlists. Every time I restore my playlist backup it syncs and rewipes it. Will report back when I figure out the fix
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  That sucks. I hope you had a good backup but even that is an inconvenience.
- r00fus 10y ago
  Good reminder to backup before you upgrade, whether its your phone or your desktop.
CJefferson 10y ago
I've been running the final beta for a couple of weeks, tonight I plan on downgrading to El Cap, and staying there for a few months. I have not found a single useful feature, and many bugs, both on the OS (time machine seems more broken than usual) and in other apps (notably Emacs keeps crashing). Maybe I'm getting old, but I would strongly recommend leaving this one until at least .1, if not .3
- fogleman 10y ago
  That seems to be the norm for OS X / macOS releases lately... I definitely won't be upgrading any time soon.
- pier25 10y ago
  I usually only upgrade to a major OSX version when the next version comes out. I broke that rule with El Capitan because Yosemite was so fucking broken.
- aivosha 10y ago
  this is what microsoft used to do with their releases. get it out of the door then start working on service packs. funny how history repeats itself.
heydonovan 10y ago
I'm not seeing it on the "Updates" tab within the App Store. Are people usually supposed to search for it?
- andrewpi 10y ago
  The update should show up later today. If you are impatient, you can search for it in the meantime.
- makecheck 10y ago
  New OS versions are not considered "updates" to anything so you have to look for them on the Mac App Store. Though Apple usually puts a big link on the front page.
hakcermani 10y ago
Finally need a new Mac ! My 2009 MBP has been cast off from the upgrade train - forever to be stuck in ElCapitan :( Over the years I could upgrade the HD speed and size from 5400 rpm -> 7200 -> Momentus -> 512 GB SSD. Can't say that about the newer MBPs .. (waiting for October to see what comes out)
- ralfd 10y ago
  Same. I guess 7 years is a good run. Also I can't play 1080p Youtube videos anymore (I could play it at 30 fps, but Youtube almost always delivers 1080p as 60fps which is too taxing.)
- oppositelock 10y ago
  Bummer, no support for my 8-core, 32GB Mac Pro which has been working great since 2009. It's still a fast machine.
- easychris 10y ago
  I have the same feelings about my infrequently used but trusted 2009 Mac Pro. After upgrading RAM, GPU and spending SSD disks it was performing "well-enough" after all these years. It's sad that I have to replace it not because of performance issues but being stuck with an old OS now.
  - Finnucane 10y ago
    Is this so terrible? Presumably El Capitan will get security updates and your machine will continue to work for some time to come.
    - Lio 10y ago
      It's kind of a pain though as there's no current equivalent machine if you've got an older Mac Pro with decent graphics card in it For desktops it's either the aging and not user upgradable Mac Pro or the aging (but less so) iMac.
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mtgx 10y ago
The new file system has been delayed by a year, right?
- runjake 10y ago
  APFS was never delayed. There is a preview version included that works with sparse image files.
- newscracker 10y ago
  When it was announced in WWDC, Apple clearly said APFS would be released in 2017. As announced then, what's available now is a developer preview. > "So Apple File System will ship, by default on all devices in 2017. So to summarize, Apple File System will be the default file system for all Apple products 2017,... " [1] [1]: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/701/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/701/ (go to the transcript and search for "2017")
kenOfYugen 10y ago
Does any method of converting the store image to a bootable disk, like the previous versions, exist? Anybody tried it? I prefer testing major upgrades as clean installs. EDIT: createinstallmedia method is reported to be working. Haven't tried it yet myself.
- redial 10y ago
  http://macdaddy.io/install-disk-creator/ http://macdaddy.io/install-disk-creator/
- arthurfm 10y ago
  > createinstallmedia method is reported to be working. Why wouldn't it work? createinstallmedia has been bundled with every single installer since Mavericks.
wyldfire 10y ago
While waiting for the webpage to load I eagerly imagined a port of all my favorite old games to OS X.
- abritinthebay 10y ago
  If you mean DOS games... use Boxer (it's basically a way to package DOSBox into self-contained apps).
taylodl 10y ago
Standard protocol applies: wait 90 days after GA and assess if it's time to upgrade. There should be one or two minor updates by then.
b3b0p 10y ago
It's not a macOS release with out the Ars Technica review: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/macos-10-12-sierra-the-ars-technica-review/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/macos-10-12-sierra-the-... They also have an article to create a bootable USB install drive for clean installs: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/how-to-make-your-own-bootable-macos-10-12-sierra-usb-install-drive/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/how-to-make-your-own-...
- tambourine_man 10y ago
  I miss Siracusa's review. Not to diminish the current author at all. But it was as old as OS X itself. The style, depth, hidden jokes and all, kind of a tradition. Something I would look forward to almost as much as the upgrade itself
  - mixmastamyk 10y ago
    and complaints about the Finder.
- jedberg 10y ago
  The Ars Techinca review is missing the most important section though -- the conclusion. Usually I would just skip to that and do whatever they said, and then go back and read the rest while it downloaded.
  - btgeekboy 10y ago
    The last section, titled, "Improved software that runs on coasting hardware," is the conclusion.
    - jedberg 10y ago
      Ah excellent. Thank you. I wonder why they didn't just call it "conclusion" like every other time.
joshmn 10y ago
Hopefully this means that Pascal drivers aren't far away for Hackintosh setups with Nvidia's 1000-series line.
jfoutz 10y ago
I'm not so sure how i'll use siri. I think i'll be faster and more precise with the keyboard, forever. There is the inverse, the good old "say" command. "say" is wonderful. Try peppering bash scripts or build systems with verbal status about success or failure. Seems to cut through the context switch time really well.
qwertyuiop924 10y ago
So, there's no new features that anybody asked for, save the clipboard thing, which has unfortunate security implications, and there's a ton of nonsense none of us will ever use, as the Mac platform gets increasingly complex ("the computer for the rest of us" is now anything but), moves away from Unix compatability, and doesn't do anything useful with this additional complexity, but does cause emacs to crash. I'd wait until they stabilize it a bit before upgrading. Or just don't upgrade.
- h1d 10y ago
  Funny I don't particularly find anything interesting after Snow Leopard. After Jobs left, they decided not to decide on anything and just sit on what was already there. At least they're free. Perhaps the most interesting thing these days is what kind of new name they come up with. It seems to only break apps.
  - pfranz 10y ago
    Feel free to continue using Snow Leopard if you're happy with it. Here are a few things I've liked in subsequent releases (sorry if some are actually in Snow Leopard and I forgot): * Notifications * Air Drop * Face Time * Native Full Screen apps * Multi-touch gestures (mostly use with multi-desktop and fullscreen apps) * Mac App Store (I like it better for OS updates) * Recovery Partition * App Resume * Terminal improvements (I stopped using iTerm) * Air Play mirroring * Notes (and syncing with phone) * Compressed memory * Full Disk encryption * Improved multi-monitor support * Spotlight improvements A few things I'm looking forward to when I do upgrade my hardware: * updating while asleep * hi dpi monitor support
    - h1d 10y ago
      Maybe it upset you but apparently keep using Snow Leopard would not let me use any of the recent third party apps and it is totally useless to do so now. - Notifications : Had Growl, nothing new. - Air drop : Perhaps but personally in no need. - Native fullscreen : This is crazy. I turn iTunes fullscreen on secondary display and somehow it blacks out the primary screen for no good reason. Never using this feature. - Multi touch gesture : Customizability is a joke. BetterTouchTools is what is keeping my sanity by applying custom trackpad gestures. - Mac app store : Apparently this is big. - Recovery partition : One of the great invention was network recovery but not like I use it often at all. - Terminal : It was ok back then. Perhaps better if you say so. I do use SSH all the time. Never needed third party terminal. - Air play mirroring : Don't have experience. - Notes : Calendars, notes, reminders, stickies... What's coming next for note taking app? It's just cluttering my app folder. - Compressed memory : Sorry I don't know what this is. Does this help you daily? - Full disk encryption : Important feature. - Multi monitor support : It was fine back then. As said above, part of it is a joke now. - Spotlight : Maybe. I keep my files and mails all tidy, so I don't need a search helper. I mean, Leopard brought Time Machine, grid view folder display from dock, quick look just to remember from top of my head which are all vastly useful and Snow leopard perfected it by making it lighter than previous OS. And today they boast they added like 100 new stuff which almost doesn't matter and I doubt things ever get lighter than previous OS these days. Ever since they thought merging iOS feature into OSX was a good idea, it keeps adding useless pieces and they call it the best release ever. Back then I thought Windows had tons of crapware on newly bought machine but funnily lately OSX is almost a victim of that from the vendor itself... I love using OSX because of high quality third party apps. And in my opinion frankly Windows is still far worse. And for OSX naming... I thought Apple is an international company. Tiger, Leopard etc was easy to read and understand as a word for us foreigners and now what? El capitan? I must think their vision is just getting narrower naming a OS to some local name they thought was cool.
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apazzolini 10y ago
Let's count the useful features since Snow Leopard: 1. Messages integration to text from laptop 2.
- oneplane 10y ago
  For you maybe, for others, many of the new features have been very useful.
caseyf7 10y ago
As someone who doesn't connect my phone to my work computer, there are very few new features I can use. Picture-in-picture is the main one.
schappim 10y ago
We really just need new hardware!! What is worse is they're selling their hardware at full price. I was in the Apple Store and the rep was trying to sell an iMac / Mac Pro to a poor punter who had no idea of their age. I didn't quite have the courage to interrupt the conversation but I did leave this little gem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgury35bsickbvu/MacProProtest.jpeg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgury35bsickbvu/MacProProtest.jpeg...
- enqk 10y ago
  They're probably busy working on the ARM architecture switch.. that would explain the long delay
- dabockster 10y ago
  If you had put it in the form of years, then more people would have caught on.
geekbri 10y ago
Worth noting that the GPGMail plugin doesn't work yet with sierra. https://gpgtools.org/ https://gpgtools.org/
fuzzywalrus 10y ago
Anyone config apache locally by hand? Every year seems to be another game of "What do I have to re-enable for vhosts, php versions, etc".
- cmg 10y ago
  I'm using MAMP Pro, which has its own version of Apache so the config files won't get overwritten. https://www.mamp.info/en/mamp-pro/ https://www.mamp.info/en/mamp-pro/
- adis-me 10y ago
  You should test your Apache configuration with `apachectl configtest`.
izacus 10y ago
Hmm, there's surprisingly little in there if you don't have (or want) an iPhone. Is it time for us that don't want to use (and only use) Apple devices to shop elsewhere?
- oneplane 10y ago
  It's free, what does it matter what's in there for new features? Just upgrade for the security and technical improvements, see it as a patch...
- coldtea 10y ago
  It's free, adds lots of stuff in the backend (libs etc), it's the default version from now on (the one with all the new hardware support, security updates, etc), it fixes several bugs from older versions (and of course will introduce some new of its own, nothing is perfect), and for those "without an iPhone" it has better voice control, tabs everywhere, new Messages and Photos app, updated Mail app, and a nice Cloud integration to save you space, with on-demand transparently downloaded files. OS X is not like some third party program that works for decades and you decide whether to bother to uprgade to the next version or not. It's more like modern browsers: it's evergreen and you're supposed, if your hardware supports it, to be running the latest version.
rhapsodyv 10y ago
Anyone having trouble with macports or homebrew?
- brianjking 10y ago
  I haven't installed yet as I'm just waiting for a current backup to complete. However, generally you have to run the command below after every OS update since El Cap. sudo chown -R $(whoami) /usr/local
  - rhapsodyv 10y ago
    how disappointing... everything is working fine, even stuff installed by macports.. the only thing that doesn't works is the port command itself
- ajoy39 10y ago
  had to reinstall xcode command line tools (which I should have seen coming) and then run an update on home-brew itself but all appears well now. brew doctor passes, and it updated my outdated packages just fine
DiabloD3 10y ago
For non-technical users, is there a good tutorial I can point them at to disable iCloud Desktop/Document deleting? This is extremely bad behavior and I have no clue why Apple thought this was a good idea. Like, this is class action material imho. You can't just take people's files and lock them behind a paywall just because they previously opted into the paywall on a case by case basis. Edit: For those downvoting, it doesn't change the fact that Apple is turning file deletion on by default. This is not a good idea, especially when most of the world and part of the US still has pretty shitty Internet, or people have Internet caps. Apple fanboyism helps no one.
- josho 10y ago
  Can you elaborate on this? Is OSX deleting iCloud documents if you run out of space?
  - DiabloD3 10y ago
    No, migrating files off your local HDD in Desktop and Documents to the iCloud.
  - FireBeyond 10y ago
    No, it deletes documents off your computer and puts them in the cloud. If you subsequently stop paying for iCloud, you risk losing them. Or having to pay to restore them. Yeah, it's opt-in and somewhat "implied", but I think the OP is saying there really should be an "* if you use this feature, an active iCloud subscription is required"
- mbourgon 10y ago
  The "Optimize Mac Storage" functionality you're referring to is not enabled by default. You can manage settings for this and other storage optimization features in About this Mac -> Storage -> Manage, and System Preferences -> iCloud -> Option... (beside iCloud Drive).
  - DiabloD3 10y ago
    Apple does not make this clear on their Sierra micro-site, and acts as if it either enables by default, or asks you with their typical confusing dialogs to enable it when low on space (which most users would get confused and click enable).
cefstat 10y ago
Does anybody know if the upgrade to Sierra also takes an eternity if you have many files in /usr/local? (homebrew, tex, etc.) Previous upgrades moved all files, one by one, out of /usr/local and then back in during the upgrade.
newscracker 10y ago
Who else is going to wait for the .2 or .3 release for better stability? It used to be that Windows was the one that was always made fun of for its instability and bugs, and everyone would upgrade to a new version only after SP1 was released. Well, at one point it got even more funny (for other reasons) when the very first release of Windows Server 2008 was actually Windows Server 2008 SP1 (so the first "service pack" released later was SP2). [1] The scene on the OS X/macOS front has not been good for a long time with respect to .0 releases. If there is one release of Mac OS X that will be held dear and always remembered of fondly, that'd be Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. It came nearly two years after its predecessor, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, and had only under-the-hood improvements. [2] But subsequent releases after it have become more bloated and not provided a great experience in their .0 versions. After a long gap, OS X El Capitan was supposed to be like Snow Leopard, with improvements mainly in stability and performance. The problem with bloated and less stable major releases is that whenever a better release comes along, many Macs may not be eligible to upgrade to them. This leaves the owners of those machines stuck with a relatively newer but somewhat crippled OS with no easy way forward. It would be good to have Apple focus more on the stability and performance aspect in every single major release, but that's just a dream. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2008#Service_Pack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2008#Service_Pa... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard
- pfranz 10y ago
  I think your feeling that Apple keeps dropping support for computers by releasing bloated, less stable releases is a bit off base. I can't remember who, but I was hearing an ex-Apple employee (it was someone like Don Melton who lead the Safari and WebKit team) talk about Snow Leopard after they left Apple. They were saying the "No Major Features" tagline was something that was thought up by marketing very late in the process. Also, the bug count was on par with other releases. Sorry to drop such a bold claim without a specific citation. I think if it was more rock-solid than other releases it was more luck than anything else. While that may not have been their goal marketing/Steve Jobs might have picked up on how that version developed. Snow Leopard dropped PPC support, which I'm sure streamlined a lot of things and shrank the size of their fat binaries. Finder was rewritten in Cocoa--which is very user-facing (and could have introduced major bugs). With the drop of PPC support it dropped support for the largest number of computers I saw in use by friends and family. OSX releases from Mountain Lion (2012) until just today with Sierra, didn't drop support for any computers. Even then, the newest computers they dropped support for were from 2010.[1] I'm not saying new versions aren't slower than predecessors. OSX 10.0 was incredibly slow and I think there was a lot of low-hanging fruit to increase performance (heck, moving desktop rendering/compositing to the GPU lightens the load on the CPU a lot). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Sierra#System_requirements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Sierra#System_requiremen...
Lio 10y ago
Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? (I ask because I'm not keen on my data being exported to foreign country with very different privacy laws and I'd also like to be able to shop around without being tied to a single storage supplier).
- coldtea 10y ago
  >Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? Obviously not. There was not even a chance in hell that that could even be possible.
  - Nullabillity 10y ago
    Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front. So there's no technical reason it couldn't be pluggable, just Apple being Apple as usual.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front. If we oversimplify to death, yes. In the real world, it's an application created on a deadline, to work on a specific backend and take advantage of its features, and to serve as a basis for future development (and to work across OS X, iOS, etc). Some of the stuff also includes tight integration with the filesystem and/or kernel -- which would be a gaping security hole to pass to third parties to play with. >So there's no technical reason it couldn't be pluggable, just Apple being Apple as usual. It's a for profit company being a for profit company as usual. No proprietary OS maker develops such a flagship feature as an interchangeable pluggable infrastructure to hand to competitors (Google Drive, MS equivalent, etc). Not only it makes no sense from a competitive point of view, it would limit them technologically too, as they would need to specify entry points and APIs that they then can't change.
      - Nullabillity 10y ago
coldtea 10y ago
I've written it elsewhere, but it might be worse repeating here: OS X is not like some third party program that works for ages and you decide whether to bother to upgrade to the next version or not. It's more like modern browsers: it's evergreen and you're supposed, if your hardware supports it, to be running the latest version. Regardless of any major new features, a new version gets the security updates going forward, the bugfixes that stop for the previous OS, is the one compatible with new hardware, etc.
- pfranz 10y ago
  To play devil's advocate; I honestly don't see that many bugfixes in new OS releases that weren't introduced by the major release. I think a lot of people might be much happier if they just stuck to what was installed when they bought it. You don't have to worry about performance degradations, things in the UI moving around, new bugs, etc. People complain about their phones becoming so slow and unusable they feel "forced" to upgrade. If they stuck with the version of software installed when they got it, it would perpetually perform the same. In the old days Windows was an exception to this. As you used it, it would get slower, required routine maintenance and seemed to benefit from the occasional re-install. Phone calls, e-mail, audio playback, twitter, basic browsing, and the fitness app you might use doesn't really need the latest version. Like you mentioned, you miss out on modern security updates. The other big thing (you also mentioned) is buying a new shiny device and finding out you need a newer OS to support it. I tend to update everything, but I'm also willing to take the time to read and debug so I know what's happening inside and out. I don't blame people for not wanting to spend that energy or deal with the hassle.
stirner 10y ago
When I try to visit this page on my iOS device, it opens the App Store instead, where I am shown a nearly-blank screen informing me that "macOS Sierra is only available on macOS". I can then click a link to "Learn More [sic] about this app", which opens the page I originally wanted to view in Safari.
ca35 10y ago
Can someone help me use the github issue? All I need to do is remap the enter key to p. I dont understand how to use it though as there is no .json file on my computer. thanks
rosstex 10y ago
https://puu.sh/rikNL/c0ecb8bcff.png https://puu.sh/rikNL/c0ecb8bcff.png outlook unclear
lurkinggrue 10y ago
Also note: They removed support for PPTP vpn. While good for security may screw you if that's all you can use.
scaphandre 10y ago
In case anyone is doing anything in Matlab and is considering macOS Sierra, watch out this incompatibility with some non-US locales: http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/303757-is-matlab-compatible-with-macos-10-12-sierra?s_tid=answers_rcts http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/303757-is-mat...
ctrlrsf 10y ago
If you use tmux you need to use reattach-to-user-namespace if you want copy and paste to work. I had removed this from my config since I didn't need it for El Capitan, but just had to re-add it for Sierra. set-option -g default-shell "/bin/bash" set-option -g default-command "reattach-to-user-namespace -l $SHELL"
DeAndre222 10y ago
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151 points by amingilani 10y ago

> "Copy a quote, image, or video from an app on one device and paste it into an app on another device." Oh my I'm looking forward to this. How many silly workarounds (pastebins, email drafts, iMessages to self, Safari bookmarks) have we used to approximate this?

fokinsean 10y ago
You should check this out, I've been using and enjoying it for a while. My previous solution was sending emails to myself, so painful lol https://www.pushbullet.com/ https://www.pushbullet.com/
- singularity2001 10y ago
  Sign up with Google or Facebook ... no thanks
  - dabockster 10y ago
    Pushbullet was developed more with Android in mind.
pazimzadeh 10y ago
Do you know if you have to be on the same wifi network for this to work, like with AirDrop?
- rgovostes 10y ago
  You don't need to be on the same Wi-Fi network to use AirDrop.
- zyang 10y ago
  It's backed by iCloud so I assume it would work across networks.
- tomku 10y ago
  AirDrop doesn't require you to be on the same wifi network, or even for the devices to have internet access. I use it to toss files from my Macbook to my (completely offline) iPad regularly.
quantumhobbit 10y ago
While they're at it, can we make paste and match style the default? I can never remember the four key chord to do this and as a result send emails that look like ransom notes because of mismatched formatting.
- harlanlewis 10y ago
  I also find this frustrating. For applications where it happens frequently, you can map paste/paste-and-match to keystrokes you can remember using System Prefs > Keyboard > Shortcuts > App Shortcuts. There isn't a global change you can make without 3rd party tools, AFAIK. For frequently-used shortcuts that have hard-to-remember modifiers, I change them to the full set of shift-ctrl-opt-cmd so that just mashing my hand across the entire corner of the keyboard will get the job done. Has the nice side effect of (usually) avoiding the unexpected overwrite of other default app shortcuts.
  - uonce 10y ago
    Can't you put it under "All Applications" to have it take effect in all apps?
    - ianferrel 10y ago
      Yes, but it will break Cmd-V as "Paste" on apps that don't have a "Paste and Match Style" option. :(
- colmvp 10y ago
  My occasional workaround has been to paste in a text editor as plain text. I agree though, that the paste and match style should be default.
- pkamb 10y ago
  You can do the "paste into address bar and re-copy" dance. I'm getting pretty fast! CMD-C CMD-T CMD-V CMD-A CMD-C CMD-W CMD-V
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israrkhan 10y ago
Having I iCloud access to your clipboard is scary ( unless it is encrypted E2E). Now your data, that was otherwise not meant to go to cloud, will endup being there.
- giovannibajo1 10y ago
  I assume it will be backed by the same transport channel used for Handoff / Continuity, which is E2E-encrypted between devices and work on either wifi or bluetooth.
- nyc640 10y ago
  Do you have a source for that? According to this (not so definitive) source [1] it's peer to peer like the rest of the continuity features. [1] http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/23/macos-sierra-preview-univeral-clipboard-desktop-documents-sync/ http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/23/macos-sierra-preview...
  - israrkhan 10y ago
    I dont know the exact implementation. But following article suggests that there is some lag due to data being exchanged with iCloud. http://www.cnet.com/au/how-to/macos-sierras-universal-clipboard-is-awesome/ http://www.cnet.com/au/how-to/macos-sierras-universal-clipbo...
- yaegers 10y ago
  Agreed. "Copy Password to Clipboard", anyone? The thought of having that being transmitted unencrypted to a cloud server is not a nice one...
pault 10y ago
Great, I'm so looking forward to apple having access to all of my porn links.
- hundchenkatze 10y ago
  If you're using iOS or Mac OS X/macOS then Apple already has access to far more than links you copy into the clipboard.
ismail 10y ago
I recall hacking together a something like this with automator,short cut key and an api call that would send my iPhone 3g/3gs a push notification or mms around 2008-2009. Moved off iPhone eventually.
odbol_ 10y ago
Pushbullet nails it. Bonus: it works with your non-Apple devices too!
josteink 10y ago
> How many silly workarounds have we used for this? As a Linux and android user, I would have to say none. KDE Connect does this and is absolutely great. It's a good feature and I'm not surprised that Apple copied it. What does surprise me is how it's seemingly copied in a insecure way which includes cloud transfer, and not keeping it constrained to your LAN. Oh well.

prh8 10y ago

Heads up for anyone using Karabiner to remap their keyboard-- it's not updated for Sierra yet. I figure that's a more popular app among HN crowd than most places, and losing it is really painful.

easychris 10y ago
Oh, thanks. That saved me from a lot of trouble. :) This is the Github issue if anyone needs to subscribe to this issue: https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner/issues/660 https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner/issues/660 EDIT: I read the comments at above issue; the version for MacOS Sierra is being developed as "Karabiner-Elements" [1] And you can make a donation to the author here[2]. [1] https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements [2] https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/donation.html.en https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/donation.html.en
- ctrlrsf 10y ago
  This README[1] has instructions for installing Karabiner-Elements and has a few examples for mapping some common keys such as caps-lock to escape: [1] https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements/blob/master/usage/README.md https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements/blob/master/usa...
  - hyh1048576 10y ago
    Does that mean Karabiner and Seil are now combined? I mapped my Caps Lock to escape, but I just realized that it's not by Karabiner, and I need Seil from the same author to do it.
ralfd 10y ago
What can Karabiner do better than Ukelele? http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=ukelele http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=...
- prh8 10y ago

rubidium 10y ago

"Siri makes its debut on Mac"<- because cortana received such positive reviews? Siri has been in iOS since 2011 and still can't handle basic parsing/questions. There was that demo of something that looked a lot better, but I've never seen it actual rolled into the product.

matwood 10y ago
Is it a voice/accent thing? Siri and Google both do fine with my general questions and commands. If you have some list, I would love to test them.
- tomschlick 10y ago
  Same here. I use Siri to dictate text messages over my car's audio system and it works 9/10 times without a typo.
- BinaryIdiot 10y ago
  > Siri and Google both do fine with my general questions and commands I think it depends. For instance asking Siri while my phone is locked what time it is and Siri will tell me (useful when I'm across the room, in the shower, etc). Google? I ask it for the time and it tells me to unlock the phone. Yet Siri can't handle asking anything about current events whereas Google can. If only there were a way to combine them or at least see progress on them working on their shortcomings.
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pfranz 10y ago
I keep hearing, both from the media and individuals, Apple Watch is way better at dictating than iPhone (nobody really knows why). I have seen increases both in latency and accuracy using the same phone/mic. I wonder what the major issues are for bad Siri experience? It does seem like they're continuously improving it. Often, it seems like a technology like this gets released, it kind of works, and you don't see any more development.

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amingilani 10y ago

OP here. OT, but I came across a post on HN saying macOS Sierra was out, and it gave instructions on how to navigate to it from the App Store for download. So I did, then I copied the direct link and posted it. Now I'm on the front page. HN is funny.

BinaryIdiot 10y ago
Your post provided less friction. The least amount of friction typically wins :)

acdanger 10y ago

I'd rather see updated Mac hardware. According to MacRumors, it's been 490 days since the last MacBook Pro Retina was released.

whorleater 10y ago
We'd all like to see new Mac hardware but it's not like the OS X team is pulling engineers from the hardware team.
jamesfmilne 10y ago
MacMini 705 days (2 years) Mac Pro 1009 days (almost 3 years) Appalling!
- newscracker 10y ago
  Yeah, it is appalling. Making Macs has truly become a tiny side business for Apple in more ways than one. It's clear that Macs don't make a dent in its profits and so aren't important. Considering how much money Apple has, it's not an issue of not having people to work on this or of lack of talent.
  - csydas 10y ago
    I'd love a new Mac as much as anyone else, but really for what they do, they do most everything well right now. Until prices favor a major upgrade or Apple favors a major change to macOS, I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to do an iterative update of the non-mobile line. A new iPhone moves products. A new Mac, not as much. The desktop/laptop realm enjoys a great amount of freedom in that most everything works well and there just aren't a lot of features that Apple is ready to compete on. They aren't going to win with gaming, they aren't controlling enough of the market to battle for niche programs, and the major software suites they do have run pretty damn well on current hardware. It would be a numbers update only and I just don't really see a lot of reason until Apple starts doing something to justify the numbers. Youtube and Facebook can only load so fast for their users.

dtang 10y ago

Is there anything noteworthy under the hood that would compel power users to upgrade? None of the features listed on Apple.com look like things that would be useful from my perspective.

teamhappy 10y ago
I guess the new file system is kind of exciting.
- newscracker 10y ago
  The new file system (APFS) will be released in 2017. It's available only as a developer preview now with macOS Sierra.
  - teamhappy 10y ago
    Shoot. (Siri, wake me in 2017.)
    - nyreed 10y ago
      Okay, I found this on the web for 'wake me in twenty seventeen'
jasonkostempski 10y ago
I'm sure there are plenty of new insane defaults with obscure configurations to disable on which to test their powers.
zZorgz 10y ago
I look forward to having tabs for most document based apps.
shawkinaw 10y ago
APFS (pre-release)
martinp 10y ago

bitsweet 10y ago

Sierra wiped my iTunes library

givinguflac 10y ago
That sucks. Are you sure you weren't using iCloud library and need to enable it to download the music? Or perhaps iTunes by default doesn't show music in the cloud? Would be interested in your resolution, though I've not heard of this anywhere else.
taigeair 10y ago
That's a problem... Can you elaborate?
- bitsweet 10y ago
  It wiped my playlists. Every time I restore my playlist backup it syncs and rewipes it. Will report back when I figure out the fix
JustSomeNobody 10y ago
That sucks. I hope you had a good backup but even that is an inconvenience.
r00fus 10y ago
Good reminder to backup before you upgrade, whether its your phone or your desktop.

CJefferson 10y ago

I've been running the final beta for a couple of weeks, tonight I plan on downgrading to El Cap, and staying there for a few months. I have not found a single useful feature, and many bugs, both on the OS (time machine seems more broken than usual) and in other apps (notably Emacs keeps crashing). Maybe I'm getting old, but I would strongly recommend leaving this one until at least .1, if not .3

fogleman 10y ago
That seems to be the norm for OS X / macOS releases lately... I definitely won't be upgrading any time soon.
pier25 10y ago
I usually only upgrade to a major OSX version when the next version comes out. I broke that rule with El Capitan because Yosemite was so fucking broken.
aivosha 10y ago
this is what microsoft used to do with their releases. get it out of the door then start working on service packs. funny how history repeats itself.

heydonovan 10y ago

I'm not seeing it on the "Updates" tab within the App Store. Are people usually supposed to search for it?

andrewpi 10y ago
The update should show up later today. If you are impatient, you can search for it in the meantime.
makecheck 10y ago
New OS versions are not considered "updates" to anything so you have to look for them on the Mac App Store. Though Apple usually puts a big link on the front page.

hakcermani 10y ago

Finally need a new Mac ! My 2009 MBP has been cast off from the upgrade train - forever to be stuck in ElCapitan :( Over the years I could upgrade the HD speed and size from 5400 rpm -> 7200 -> Momentus -> 512 GB SSD. Can't say that about the newer MBPs .. (waiting for October to see what comes out)

ralfd 10y ago
Same. I guess 7 years is a good run. Also I can't play 1080p Youtube videos anymore (I could play it at 30 fps, but Youtube almost always delivers 1080p as 60fps which is too taxing.)
oppositelock 10y ago
Bummer, no support for my 8-core, 32GB Mac Pro which has been working great since 2009. It's still a fast machine.
easychris 10y ago
I have the same feelings about my infrequently used but trusted 2009 Mac Pro. After upgrading RAM, GPU and spending SSD disks it was performing "well-enough" after all these years. It's sad that I have to replace it not because of performance issues but being stuck with an old OS now.
- Finnucane 10y ago
  Is this so terrible? Presumably El Capitan will get security updates and your machine will continue to work for some time to come.
  - Lio 10y ago
    It's kind of a pain though as there's no current equivalent machine if you've got an older Mac Pro with decent graphics card in it For desktops it's either the aging and not user upgradable Mac Pro or the aging (but less so) iMac.
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mtgx 10y ago

The new file system has been delayed by a year, right?

runjake 10y ago
APFS was never delayed. There is a preview version included that works with sparse image files.
newscracker 10y ago
When it was announced in WWDC, Apple clearly said APFS would be released in 2017. As announced then, what's available now is a developer preview. > "So Apple File System will ship, by default on all devices in 2017. So to summarize, Apple File System will be the default file system for all Apple products 2017,... " [1] [1]: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/701/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/701/ (go to the transcript and search for "2017")

kenOfYugen 10y ago

Does any method of converting the store image to a bootable disk, like the previous versions, exist? Anybody tried it? I prefer testing major upgrades as clean installs. EDIT: createinstallmedia method is reported to be working. Haven't tried it yet myself.

redial 10y ago
http://macdaddy.io/install-disk-creator/ http://macdaddy.io/install-disk-creator/
arthurfm 10y ago
> createinstallmedia method is reported to be working. Why wouldn't it work? createinstallmedia has been bundled with every single installer since Mavericks.

wyldfire 10y ago

While waiting for the webpage to load I eagerly imagined a port of all my favorite old games to OS X.

abritinthebay 10y ago
If you mean DOS games... use Boxer (it's basically a way to package DOSBox into self-contained apps).

taylodl 10y ago

Standard protocol applies: wait 90 days after GA and assess if it's time to upgrade. There should be one or two minor updates by then.

b3b0p 10y ago

It's not a macOS release with out the Ars Technica review: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/macos-10-12-sierra-the-ars-technica-review/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/macos-10-12-sierra-the-... They also have an article to create a bootable USB install drive for clean installs: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/how-to-make-your-own-bootable-macos-10-12-sierra-usb-install-drive/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/how-to-make-your-own-...

tambourine_man 10y ago
I miss Siracusa's review. Not to diminish the current author at all. But it was as old as OS X itself. The style, depth, hidden jokes and all, kind of a tradition. Something I would look forward to almost as much as the upgrade itself
- mixmastamyk 10y ago
  and complaints about the Finder.
jedberg 10y ago
The Ars Techinca review is missing the most important section though -- the conclusion. Usually I would just skip to that and do whatever they said, and then go back and read the rest while it downloaded.
- btgeekboy 10y ago
  The last section, titled, "Improved software that runs on coasting hardware," is the conclusion.
  - jedberg 10y ago
    Ah excellent. Thank you. I wonder why they didn't just call it "conclusion" like every other time.

joshmn 10y ago

Hopefully this means that Pascal drivers aren't far away for Hackintosh setups with Nvidia's 1000-series line.

jfoutz 10y ago

I'm not so sure how i'll use siri. I think i'll be faster and more precise with the keyboard, forever. There is the inverse, the good old "say" command. "say" is wonderful. Try peppering bash scripts or build systems with verbal status about success or failure. Seems to cut through the context switch time really well.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago

So, there's no new features that anybody asked for, save the clipboard thing, which has unfortunate security implications, and there's a ton of nonsense none of us will ever use, as the Mac platform gets increasingly complex ("the computer for the rest of us" is now anything but), moves away from Unix compatability, and doesn't do anything useful with this additional complexity, but does cause emacs to crash. I'd wait until they stabilize it a bit before upgrading. Or just don't upgrade.

h1d 10y ago
Funny I don't particularly find anything interesting after Snow Leopard. After Jobs left, they decided not to decide on anything and just sit on what was already there. At least they're free. Perhaps the most interesting thing these days is what kind of new name they come up with. It seems to only break apps.
- pfranz 10y ago
  Feel free to continue using Snow Leopard if you're happy with it. Here are a few things I've liked in subsequent releases (sorry if some are actually in Snow Leopard and I forgot): * Notifications * Air Drop * Face Time * Native Full Screen apps * Multi-touch gestures (mostly use with multi-desktop and fullscreen apps) * Mac App Store (I like it better for OS updates) * Recovery Partition * App Resume * Terminal improvements (I stopped using iTerm) * Air Play mirroring * Notes (and syncing with phone) * Compressed memory * Full Disk encryption * Improved multi-monitor support * Spotlight improvements A few things I'm looking forward to when I do upgrade my hardware: * updating while asleep * hi dpi monitor support
  - h1d 10y ago
    Maybe it upset you but apparently keep using Snow Leopard would not let me use any of the recent third party apps and it is totally useless to do so now. - Notifications : Had Growl, nothing new. - Air drop : Perhaps but personally in no need. - Native fullscreen : This is crazy. I turn iTunes fullscreen on secondary display and somehow it blacks out the primary screen for no good reason. Never using this feature. - Multi touch gesture : Customizability is a joke. BetterTouchTools is what is keeping my sanity by applying custom trackpad gestures. - Mac app store : Apparently this is big. - Recovery partition : One of the great invention was network recovery but not like I use it often at all. - Terminal : It was ok back then. Perhaps better if you say so. I do use SSH all the time. Never needed third party terminal. - Air play mirroring : Don't have experience. - Notes : Calendars, notes, reminders, stickies... What's coming next for note taking app? It's just cluttering my app folder. - Compressed memory : Sorry I don't know what this is. Does this help you daily? - Full disk encryption : Important feature. - Multi monitor support : It was fine back then. As said above, part of it is a joke now. - Spotlight : Maybe. I keep my files and mails all tidy, so I don't need a search helper. I mean, Leopard brought Time Machine, grid view folder display from dock, quick look just to remember from top of my head which are all vastly useful and Snow leopard perfected it by making it lighter than previous OS. And today they boast they added like 100 new stuff which almost doesn't matter and I doubt things ever get lighter than previous OS these days. Ever since they thought merging iOS feature into OSX was a good idea, it keeps adding useless pieces and they call it the best release ever. Back then I thought Windows had tons of crapware on newly bought machine but funnily lately OSX is almost a victim of that from the vendor itself... I love using OSX because of high quality third party apps. And in my opinion frankly Windows is still far worse. And for OSX naming... I thought Apple is an international company. Tiger, Leopard etc was easy to read and understand as a word for us foreigners and now what? El capitan? I must think their vision is just getting narrower naming a OS to some local name they thought was cool.

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apazzolini 10y ago

Let's count the useful features since Snow Leopard: 1. Messages integration to text from laptop 2.

oneplane 10y ago
For you maybe, for others, many of the new features have been very useful.

caseyf7 10y ago

As someone who doesn't connect my phone to my work computer, there are very few new features I can use. Picture-in-picture is the main one.

schappim 10y ago

We really just need new hardware!! What is worse is they're selling their hardware at full price. I was in the Apple Store and the rep was trying to sell an iMac / Mac Pro to a poor punter who had no idea of their age. I didn't quite have the courage to interrupt the conversation but I did leave this little gem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgury35bsickbvu/MacProProtest.jpeg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgury35bsickbvu/MacProProtest.jpeg...

enqk 10y ago
They're probably busy working on the ARM architecture switch.. that would explain the long delay
dabockster 10y ago
If you had put it in the form of years, then more people would have caught on.

geekbri 10y ago

Worth noting that the GPGMail plugin doesn't work yet with sierra. https://gpgtools.org/ https://gpgtools.org/

fuzzywalrus 10y ago

Anyone config apache locally by hand? Every year seems to be another game of "What do I have to re-enable for vhosts, php versions, etc".

cmg 10y ago
I'm using MAMP Pro, which has its own version of Apache so the config files won't get overwritten. https://www.mamp.info/en/mamp-pro/ https://www.mamp.info/en/mamp-pro/
adis-me 10y ago
You should test your Apache configuration with `apachectl configtest`.

izacus 10y ago

Hmm, there's surprisingly little in there if you don't have (or want) an iPhone. Is it time for us that don't want to use (and only use) Apple devices to shop elsewhere?

oneplane 10y ago
It's free, what does it matter what's in there for new features? Just upgrade for the security and technical improvements, see it as a patch...
coldtea 10y ago
It's free, adds lots of stuff in the backend (libs etc), it's the default version from now on (the one with all the new hardware support, security updates, etc), it fixes several bugs from older versions (and of course will introduce some new of its own, nothing is perfect), and for those "without an iPhone" it has better voice control, tabs everywhere, new Messages and Photos app, updated Mail app, and a nice Cloud integration to save you space, with on-demand transparently downloaded files. OS X is not like some third party program that works for decades and you decide whether to bother to uprgade to the next version or not. It's more like modern browsers: it's evergreen and you're supposed, if your hardware supports it, to be running the latest version.

rhapsodyv 10y ago

Anyone having trouble with macports or homebrew?

brianjking 10y ago
I haven't installed yet as I'm just waiting for a current backup to complete. However, generally you have to run the command below after every OS update since El Cap. sudo chown -R $(whoami) /usr/local
- rhapsodyv 10y ago
  how disappointing... everything is working fine, even stuff installed by macports.. the only thing that doesn't works is the port command itself
ajoy39 10y ago
had to reinstall xcode command line tools (which I should have seen coming) and then run an update on home-brew itself but all appears well now. brew doctor passes, and it updated my outdated packages just fine

DiabloD3 10y ago

For non-technical users, is there a good tutorial I can point them at to disable iCloud Desktop/Document deleting? This is extremely bad behavior and I have no clue why Apple thought this was a good idea. Like, this is class action material imho. You can't just take people's files and lock them behind a paywall just because they previously opted into the paywall on a case by case basis. Edit: For those downvoting, it doesn't change the fact that Apple is turning file deletion on by default. This is not a good idea, especially when most of the world and part of the US still has pretty shitty Internet, or people have Internet caps. Apple fanboyism helps no one.

josho 10y ago
Can you elaborate on this? Is OSX deleting iCloud documents if you run out of space?
- DiabloD3 10y ago
  No, migrating files off your local HDD in Desktop and Documents to the iCloud.
- FireBeyond 10y ago
  No, it deletes documents off your computer and puts them in the cloud. If you subsequently stop paying for iCloud, you risk losing them. Or having to pay to restore them. Yeah, it's opt-in and somewhat "implied", but I think the OP is saying there really should be an "* if you use this feature, an active iCloud subscription is required"
mbourgon 10y ago
The "Optimize Mac Storage" functionality you're referring to is not enabled by default. You can manage settings for this and other storage optimization features in About this Mac -> Storage -> Manage, and System Preferences -> iCloud -> Option... (beside iCloud Drive).
- DiabloD3 10y ago
  Apple does not make this clear on their Sierra micro-site, and acts as if it either enables by default, or asks you with their typical confusing dialogs to enable it when low on space (which most users would get confused and click enable).

cefstat 10y ago

Does anybody know if the upgrade to Sierra also takes an eternity if you have many files in /usr/local? (homebrew, tex, etc.) Previous upgrades moved all files, one by one, out of /usr/local and then back in during the upgrade.

newscracker 10y ago

Who else is going to wait for the .2 or .3 release for better stability? It used to be that Windows was the one that was always made fun of for its instability and bugs, and everyone would upgrade to a new version only after SP1 was released. Well, at one point it got even more funny (for other reasons) when the very first release of Windows Server 2008 was actually Windows Server 2008 SP1 (so the first "service pack" released later was SP2). [1] The scene on the OS X/macOS front has not been good for a long time with respect to .0 releases. If there is one release of Mac OS X that will be held dear and always remembered of fondly, that'd be Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. It came nearly two years after its predecessor, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, and had only under-the-hood improvements. [2] But subsequent releases after it have become more bloated and not provided a great experience in their .0 versions. After a long gap, OS X El Capitan was supposed to be like Snow Leopard, with improvements mainly in stability and performance. The problem with bloated and less stable major releases is that whenever a better release comes along, many Macs may not be eligible to upgrade to them. This leaves the owners of those machines stuck with a relatively newer but somewhat crippled OS with no easy way forward. It would be good to have Apple focus more on the stability and performance aspect in every single major release, but that's just a dream. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2008#Service_Pack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2008#Service_Pa... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard

pfranz 10y ago
I think your feeling that Apple keeps dropping support for computers by releasing bloated, less stable releases is a bit off base. I can't remember who, but I was hearing an ex-Apple employee (it was someone like Don Melton who lead the Safari and WebKit team) talk about Snow Leopard after they left Apple. They were saying the "No Major Features" tagline was something that was thought up by marketing very late in the process. Also, the bug count was on par with other releases. Sorry to drop such a bold claim without a specific citation. I think if it was more rock-solid than other releases it was more luck than anything else. While that may not have been their goal marketing/Steve Jobs might have picked up on how that version developed. Snow Leopard dropped PPC support, which I'm sure streamlined a lot of things and shrank the size of their fat binaries. Finder was rewritten in Cocoa--which is very user-facing (and could have introduced major bugs). With the drop of PPC support it dropped support for the largest number of computers I saw in use by friends and family. OSX releases from Mountain Lion (2012) until just today with Sierra, didn't drop support for any computers. Even then, the newest computers they dropped support for were from 2010.[1] I'm not saying new versions aren't slower than predecessors. OSX 10.0 was incredibly slow and I think there was a lot of low-hanging fruit to increase performance (heck, moving desktop rendering/compositing to the GPU lightens the load on the CPU a lot). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Sierra#System_requirements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Sierra#System_requiremen...

Lio 10y ago

Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? (I ask because I'm not keen on my data being exported to foreign country with very different privacy laws and I'd also like to be able to shop around without being tied to a single storage supplier).

coldtea 10y ago
>Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? Obviously not. There was not even a chance in hell that that could even be possible.
- Nullabillity 10y ago
  Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front. So there's no technical reason it couldn't be pluggable, just Apple being Apple as usual.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front. If we oversimplify to death, yes. In the real world, it's an application created on a deadline, to work on a specific backend and take advantage of its features, and to serve as a basis for future development (and to work across OS X, iOS, etc). Some of the stuff also includes tight integration with the filesystem and/or kernel -- which would be a gaping security hole to pass to third parties to play with. >So there's no technical reason it couldn't be pluggable, just Apple being Apple as usual. It's a for profit company being a for profit company as usual. No proprietary OS maker develops such a flagship feature as an interchangeable pluggable infrastructure to hand to competitors (Google Drive, MS equivalent, etc). Not only it makes no sense from a competitive point of view, it would limit them technologically too, as they would need to specify entry points and APIs that they then can't change.
    - Nullabillity 10y ago

coldtea 10y ago

I've written it elsewhere, but it might be worse repeating here: OS X is not like some third party program that works for ages and you decide whether to bother to upgrade to the next version or not. It's more like modern browsers: it's evergreen and you're supposed, if your hardware supports it, to be running the latest version. Regardless of any major new features, a new version gets the security updates going forward, the bugfixes that stop for the previous OS, is the one compatible with new hardware, etc.

pfranz 10y ago
To play devil's advocate; I honestly don't see that many bugfixes in new OS releases that weren't introduced by the major release. I think a lot of people might be much happier if they just stuck to what was installed when they bought it. You don't have to worry about performance degradations, things in the UI moving around, new bugs, etc. People complain about their phones becoming so slow and unusable they feel "forced" to upgrade. If they stuck with the version of software installed when they got it, it would perpetually perform the same. In the old days Windows was an exception to this. As you used it, it would get slower, required routine maintenance and seemed to benefit from the occasional re-install. Phone calls, e-mail, audio playback, twitter, basic browsing, and the fitness app you might use doesn't really need the latest version. Like you mentioned, you miss out on modern security updates. The other big thing (you also mentioned) is buying a new shiny device and finding out you need a newer OS to support it. I tend to update everything, but I'm also willing to take the time to read and debug so I know what's happening inside and out. I don't blame people for not wanting to spend that energy or deal with the hassle.

stirner 10y ago

When I try to visit this page on my iOS device, it opens the App Store instead, where I am shown a nearly-blank screen informing me that "macOS Sierra is only available on macOS". I can then click a link to "Learn More [sic] about this app", which opens the page I originally wanted to view in Safari.

ca35 10y ago

Can someone help me use the github issue? All I need to do is remap the enter key to p. I dont understand how to use it though as there is no .json file on my computer. thanks

rosstex 10y ago

https://puu.sh/rikNL/c0ecb8bcff.png https://puu.sh/rikNL/c0ecb8bcff.png outlook unclear

lurkinggrue 10y ago

Also note: They removed support for PPTP vpn. While good for security may screw you if that's all you can use.

scaphandre 10y ago

In case anyone is doing anything in Matlab and is considering macOS Sierra, watch out this incompatibility with some non-US locales: http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/303757-is-matlab-compatible-with-macos-10-12-sierra?s_tid=answers_rcts http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/303757-is-mat...

ctrlrsf 10y ago

If you use tmux you need to use reattach-to-user-namespace if you want copy and paste to work. I had removed this from my config since I didn't need it for El Capitan, but just had to re-add it for Sierra. set-option -g default-shell "/bin/bash" set-option -g default-command "reattach-to-user-namespace -l $SHELL"

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