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iPhone SE
- zimbatm 11y agoUK prices are crazy. The entry price model is £359 which is $516 USD instead of $399. The 64GB one is £439 which is $631 USD instead of $499. So in short $100+ for shipping. http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-se/16gb-silver http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-se/16gb-silve...
- TheTrotters 11y agoVAT is included in the list price, the sales tax is not. Excluding the VAT, the UK price is ~300 GBP, which is roughly 430 USD. All we have is ~30 USD difference.
- MengerSponge 11y agoApples and oranges, because you're not accounting for taxes. The UK entry model is actually £300, which is closer to $430, plus tax.
- ousta 11y agoas usual nothing that sony didnt do first and apple copied. with an hipster marketing behind.
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- boondaburrah 11y agoIf they don't offer a (limited) model styled after the Mac SE, they're doing it wrong.
- devindotcom 11y agoThat's what I was hoping for. Rainbow logo, beige trim. Maybe have a 3.5" drive accessory for the lightning port.
- boondaburrah 11y agoI don't need the floppy drive but if it could come pre-installed with hypercard I'm so there.
- strangecasts 11y agoComplete with the loud BING as the startup sound?
- boondaburrah 11y agoYou bet. Also a 1-bit dithered screen mode and rounded screen corners.
- devindotcom 11y agonot sure why you were getting downvoted, i would love a monochrome rounded display.
- duskwuff 11y agoNot to burst your bubble, but the sampled startup sounds didn't come until after the SE. The SE just went BEEEEEEEEEP.
- marssaxman 11y agoNot sure what process generated that tone, but it really was a bell-like BINNNNGGGG and not a flat PC buzzer-like BEEP. At least, that's the sound I remember from the 512K and the Plus - I never had an SE myself, so I am assuming it used the same sound as the original models.
- boondaburrah 11y agoYeah but the beep had an envelope to it. There was definitely a strong attack followed by a less-than-square wave rather than a uniform beep. Though whether that was part of the sample (which the mac SE definitely could've played) or an artifact of some analogue circuitry I don't know.
- duskwuff 11y agoIt was a software thing. Here's the story of how it came to be: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Boot_Beep.txt http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Boot_Beep.txt
- jdc0589 11y agoI immediately thought "Secure Edition" when I read the title...
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- yeukhon 11y agoI read it special edition like motherboard / slimmed edition. Usually SE is a trimmed down edition...
- roymurdock 11y agoOr "Standard Edition" ala Java SE...really not doing themselves any favors with the ambiguous, expanded naming conventions here.
- ameen 11y agoFunnily, I thought they'd say "Small Edition" :)
- chejazi 11y ago...And I was hoping it would be. No big security updates here, it seems.
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- alpb 11y agoThe name is strikingly similar to Windows 98 SE (second edition).
- macrael 11y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_SE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_SE
- devindotcom 11y agoOr Apple's own Macintosh SE
- philwelch 11y agoI was about to joke that I was going to hold out for the iPhone SE/30.
- dham 11y agoI'm one of those hold outs. I had a iPhone 6 for a month and it literally gave me anxiety because I couldn't thumb around Spotify and other apps like I was used too. I traded it in for a 5s and have been using it ever since. I figured I would have to keep it until they stopped putting iOS updates on it. Really glad they did this.
- giarc 11y agoI predict they will sell a ton of the SE's. I'm in the same boat, the 5S was great and the 4.7" and larger screens just seem too big. I have been waiting for the SE to come out.
- jonkiddy 11y agoAgreed. My 5S broke over winter, 4.7" was too big as a replacement. I tested a 6 in my jeans pocket and it felt odd to me. I immediately purchased another 5S instead. Looking forward to a SE.
- giarc 11y agoI could have upgraded a few months ago but held out as rumours of this phone have been around for awhile. I'll be happy to upgrade as I suspect the iPhone 7 will be a 4.7 or 5.5 and those are just too big for me.
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- afreak 11y ago$399 USD is great, but why are we still stuck with 16 GB of storage on base model phones? You can barely put a day's worth of music on your phone and you cannot always stream via services like Spotify. Spotify accounts for 2 GB of traffic per month on my phone and some plans are barely affordable when you want more than that--fortunately I can do up to 6 GB before I am traffic shaped, but that isn't the say the same for all carriers in this country.
- agildehaus 11y agoIt encourages people to spend an extra $100. If the base model were 32GB, far fewer would.
- phesse14 11y agoand do not forget the cloud storage. Moore's law is in decadence
- duaneb 11y agoNot bandwidth, though.
- grandalf 11y agoIf the 16GB phone would just treat the local storage like a cache for everything it would be plenty of storage. With rare exceptions the expiry rules for my usage would be quite simple. That app I use once every two months can be re-downloaded when I want to use it (it's probably less than 20 MB in size anyway).
- Blaaguuu 11y agoThat seems great in theory, but many people still have really restrictive data caps on their plans, so I'm not sure we are quite ready for that model. It would also suck if you had an app on your phone like a star/constellation map, which you only use every once in a while when you are out in the middle of nowhere... To have your phone automatically delete that app, then try to re-download it when there isn't any way to do so would be a pretty awful experience. Works well for something like the Apple TV - I don't think it's good for phones yet.
- savanaly 11y agoI'm still on the 5 and was reluctant to upgrade mainly due to the size. Might consider this one when the 5 finally breaks down.
- yeukhon 11y agoI used to be in your camp but honestly, after using iPhone 6 (not PLUS) I am okay. I actually don't use my phone all the time. It is mainly sitting on my desk or in my pocket on the go. My hand is not huge per se, just regular size, like any grown up male in his 20s. Comparing to the old model with smaller screen, the larger screen does increase read space which is quite pleasant. Give it a try.
- agildehaus 11y agoIf you really want to use an iPhone 6 or 6 Plus with one hand, just double-tap (not press, tap) the home button and the software adjusts the display size for you.
- masklinn 11y agoExcept IME it's not very good because (with a 6S) you have to hold the phone very low to reach the home button comfortably enough for a double tap (which is lower than extending a bit for a firm press), which makes the phone top-heavy and much less hand-safe. I've dropped my 6S a lot, I've probably dropped it more in the few months I've had it than I dropped my 4S (at all) I expect a Plus has an even worse hold and I wouldn't be able to use it 1-handed at all.
- the_hangman 11y agoI'm not sure I follow. I just sat here with my 6S trying various ways of holding it for a good 10 minutes, and I can't figure out for the life of me what you're talking about when you say that you have to hold it lower to double tap the home button than you do to firmly press it. If anything, I find the exact opposite to be true: I need to support the bottom of the phone less when I am simply double-tapping on the home button, while I need to have more support towards the bottom of the phone if I want to firmly press it. This seems to make sense, intuitively, as well: I'm applying way more pressure to the bottom of the phone with a firm press of the home button than I do when I lightly tap it, even if I have to tap it twice.
- nodesocket 11y agoThe market is not impressed with the announcements so far. http://i.imgur.com/IfkUcJ9.png http://i.imgur.com/IfkUcJ9.png
- ikeboy 11y ago"Buy the Rumor and Sell the News" http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/news-trader.asp http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/news-trader.asp Not uncommon.
- tosseraccount 11y agoCheck again; only down 0.2 percent for the day. (2:02pm)
- prewett 11y agoThe market is probably ignoring the announcement. Anything less than a 1.5% change is pretty much noise and random jitter (APPL is currently down .5%).
- prklmn 11y agoThe market hasn't ever been impressed after an Apple announcement.
- BFatts 11y agoAnd now it's +0.18% Spot prices are useless.
- SixSigma 11y agoMaybe this is positively offsetting other bad news you don't know about.
- csixty4 11y agoThat's normal for Apple announcements. It'll be back up to previous levels by tomorrow.
- rsynnott 11y agoThis pretty much always happens. See http://blogs-images.forbes.com/chuckjones/files/2014/09/Apple-BMO-analysis-of-stock-price-changes-post-product-launches.png http://blogs-images.forbes.com/chuckjones/files/2014/09/Appl... The only release that resulted in a substantial rise was the iPhone; the rest of them lead to nothing or a small fall. Totally standard.
- maxaf 11y agoThe 16GB storage size is a deal breaker. :( Going to stay on the 4S, see how things pan out later on.
- giarc 11y agoThere is a 64GB model.
- maxaf 11y agoIt isn't competitively priced. The 32G used to be a sweet spot I could go for, but it's gone now.
- giarc 11y agoWhy not upgrade to a 5 or 5S now though? The 4S is quite a ways behind, and with the 5 and even the 5S being out for so long, you could get some great deals.
- maxaf 11y agoIt all comes down to AppleCare: I don't want to own an aftermarket phone that isn't covered for damage by anything other than my own wallet. The 5/5S can only remain a viable option for me if they're sold directly by Apple & allow me to purchase AppleCare. Anything less means I take on the risk of having to keep repairing/replacing the phone every time it breaks. Unfortunately, this happens far too often.
- giarc 11y agoI could be wrong but I believe Apple is still selling the 5S's (can't check now as the apple store is down). Could also likely buy through carrier and purchase applecare through them as well.
- 1123581321 11y agoI think your math is a bit off. A refurb or MNVO 5S costs about $200 right now. AppleCare costs $99 + $79/replacement up to two on top of the phone. So, if Apple sold you a new 5S for $250, you'd pay $349 for it, $428 if you had to replace it, and $507 if you had to replace it twice. Replacing once sounds nearly breakeven until you factor that the price of a refurb 5S will continue to fall but the deductible on your replacement will stay fixed. Two breaks would still justify AppleCare, but the odds are pretty low. I understand if you just greatly value getting service from Apple and want to pay for that privilege, but if you won't buy a 5S only because it's risky, then you should reconsider.
- fiatpandas 11y agoAs a stubborn iPhone 4 user, I was excited for this press conference because of the return to a smaller form factor. I'm not sure the SE is going to push me over the edge just yet, despite the price. Think I can hold out for a couple more months, just in case something amazing happens with the 7.
- giarc 11y agoYou're using a 6 year old, 3.5 inch phone. 7 is going to be bigger than 5, 5S, 5SE, I would upgrade if I were you. Can iphone 4 even get iOS 9?
- fiatpandas 11y agoYes I understand 7 is going to be bigger than the 5S/SE size. I'm willing to go bigger if there something really compelling about the 7, so I want to wait. (and 4 is stuck on iOS 7)
- giarc 11y agoWhat about the SE doesn't appeal to you then?
- sosborn 11y agoOP didn't say that the SE doesn't appeal to him/her, just that they prefer to wait to see what the 7 brings.
- giarc 11y agoI guess I assumed they weren't impressed with this statement "I'm not sure the SE is going to push me over the edge just yet" If the SE doesn't push you over the edge from an iPhone 4, then I don't know what will... iPhone 28?
- canadev 11y agoJust in case you don't know about this feature that scrolls the top of the screen down the screen: http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-reachability-on-iphone-6-6-plus/ http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-reachability-on-iphone...
- tsunamifury 11y agoNo 3D touch is a very odd fragmentation. You'd think they'd want to shore up their devices to be completely compatible with this across the spectrum to motivate developers to use it as a key part of their UX. Now when only X<80% of devices lack compatibility, I'm not likely to take the time to make 3D Touch a core interaction. So your apps have to optionally use 3D Touch, Pencil, adaptive layout, fingerprint, and several other interactions that only cover fractions of their hardware line.
- Negitivefrags 11y agoIt's because Apple has realised 3D touch is bad and it's also a very expensive feature to add to a phone. The real question is if they will admit it was a misstep by removing it from their flagship model or just keep pretending and keep it in. Companies really hate admitting they were wrong so my bet is that they are stuck with it for the forseeable future.
- yoz-y 11y agoSays who? 3D touch is an awesome addition. Granted it has discoverability problems but I think that adding a new dimension to the interaction is great. It is a nice way to avoid a cluttered interface while providing advanced power-user functionality.
- cwbrandsma 11y agoSays who? 3D touch is a horrible addition. It has lots of discoverability problems and is inconsistent across applications. We avoid cluttering the interface by adding easter eggs to the interface for features that everyone would like to use.
- yoz-y 11y agoBut people already CAN use those features, force touch is but a shortcut mechanism. If some applications uses it in a terrible way then that is not the Apple's problem (unless, of course, the app is made by Apple)
- jason46 11y agoAt first I thought this was Security Enhanced, its not right? Retina flash must be the gotta have feature
- jasondecastro 11y agoMore like Second Edition?
- danieltillett 11y agoAny news on security?
- jMyles 11y agoYeah, I'm surprised that amidst all the kerfuffle that they aren't touting the security features.
- acidfreaks 11y agoGreat Price, great specs. Really loving the SE so far. I can't wait to put my hands on the device. I thought this was smaller in size but really is the same as 5S
- alexgrist 11y agoIt's the same size.
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- manuelflara 11y agoWeird they didn't call this the iPhone 6S Mini, but I'll be getting one. Downgraded from an iPhone 6S to a 5S because the big screen is hard to use with one hand, so I'm ecstatic they released this.
- rythie 11y agoI wonder if this will get updated in September with the other phones or stay out of step with the main release cycle.
- cryptoz 11y agoCurious that the Sensors list does not include a barometer. It used to be the case that the A9 with coprocessor carried a barometer inside it. Has this changed for this phone? That would be incredibly sad if they removed sensors. Did the M9 iteration of the coprocessor remove the barometer? http://www.apple.com/iphone-se/specs/ http://www.apple.com/iphone-se/specs/ Edit: Interestingly, the new iPad Pro does have a barometer in the Sensor list: http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/ http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/
- mey 11y agoOut of curiosity what use did people find in a barometer?
- cryptoz 11y agoApple themselves use it to count the number of flights of stairs you climb. Google uses it in Android phones for faster GPS and for indoor location mapping. I'm using it to forecast the weather by crowdsourcing billions of live atmospheric pressure measurements at Sunshine (https://thesunshine.co https://thesunshine.co). Other use cases are for migraine headache prediction/prevention and other health-related issues. The primary and most exciting use case however is weather forecasting! Edit: Basically, barometers are useful for any altitude-related task, as their error margins for relative altitude changes are very small. Additionally, if you can filter out the altitude data as noise, you're left with atmospheric data, which has immense applications when crowdsourced at scale.
- meritt 11y agoHey, an upgrade path for the 5s form-factor. I'm actually liking this announcement. The absurd size has been why I've avoided 6.
- dave2000 11y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11329939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11329939
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoNo 3D touch shows you how important Apple views it. It adds a level of inconsistency amongst their phones meaning developers can never depend on it which means it'll likely get used less and less. Oh well it was a neat idea but adding multiple dimensions to a 2D screen always seemed kinda awkward to me.
- davidw 11y agoHere's hoping that they'll include something like this in the Google Nexus lineup. They keep growing the phones, but my pocket is the same size.
- dominotw 11y agoI lost my phone once and almost lost it many times because I can never put it in my pocket. Hope google adds smaller phones to their lineup.
- nharada 11y agoHave you considered gaining weight?
- benologist 11y ago"You're eating it wrong", said Steve.
- sjwright 11y ago(Had he said that, it would have been a remarkably ironic comment, as he spent years fighting his oft-survivable pancreatic cancer not with the best current science, but with the healing power of a high fruit diet. A terrible diet for anyone, but also a particularly terrible diet for managing cancer, being very high in fructose. By the time he finally started taking the advice of cancer experts, it was too late.)
- tracker1 11y agoThere's always trying to get the fashion industry to push cargo pants again.
- JoshTriplett 11y agoI'd really like to see this as well. I enjoy my Nexus 6, but it's at the upper limit of what I can comfortably use, and I've seriously debated whether I care more about screen size or one-handed usability, since the Nexus 6 sacrifices some of the latter for me. And people I know with smaller hands could really use something closer in size to the iPhone 4s or iPhone SE, which the current generation of Nexus devices completely ignore.
- zorpner 11y agoAww, no barometer in the SE: http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
- gigq 11y agoThis bummed me out as well, but it's worth noting if you have an Apple Watch that has a barometer in it.
- mpweiher 11y agoI was hoping (against hope) for an @3 display. Sniff.
- tracker1 11y agoI wouldn't mind something closer to the Nokia E70 (loved that phone), with a syncing to my google account for docs, keep and contacts, a modern camera and not much else. Yes, I use my phone for a lot more, but that's almost as much a bad thing as good The E70 was my last not-smart-phone, replaced it with the original G1 (first android phone). It was great for taking notes, and imho was a better form factor than blackberry.
- brandon272 11y agoI'm becoming rather impatient with the stagnating Macbook/MBA/MBP product category. Would very much like a lightweight retina Macbook 13" or larger.
- TheOtherHobbes 11y agoCook's design heuristic seems to be some combination of faster/smaller/bigger/thinner - which leads to exactly the kind of line fragmentation that Jobs hated. The overlap between the MacBook Air, the MacBook, and the iPad Pro is making less and less sense from a customer POV. If you just want a content consumption, browsing, and email device that maybe supports some basic text/photo editing - which is the use case for most users - which should you buy?
- masklinn 11y ago> The overlap between the MacBook Air, the MacBook The overlap there is generational, just as there was generational overlap between the final polycarbonate macbooks and the initial second-gen Airs.
- gergles 11y agoAs indicated in the keynote, Apple views iPads as the future of personal computing. This was said multiple times by multiple people. I wouldn't be surprised to see the MacBook lines continue to stagnate.
- tengkahwee 11y agoThat will be incredibly shortsighted though. Developers are looking for more powerful machines all the time.
- randommodnar 11y agoBut developers are not the majority of customers.
- mojuba 11y ago> The only camera you’ll ever need. Apple, you are usually good at slogans and titles, but this one... At least three flops in one sentence: "The only camera" - so no more Canons, Nikons and Leikas? "...you'll ever" - so there will be no more innovation ever, even from you, Apple? "...need" - so you are confident everyone needs a camera?
- mlex 11y agoSince you seem to love nitpicking so much, it's a Leica.
- mojuba 11y agoDon't know, it used to be difficult to nitpick on Apple's marketing materials. They were always pretty good at that.
- sotojuan 11y agoThe average consumer doesn't need a Canon, Nikon, or Leica (definitely not a Leica!) for everyday photography. The iPhone is "good enough". Of course, it's a middle/upper middle class tradition to get your teen a DSLR but as we all know the end up using the iPhone more.
- mojuba 11y agoI thought Apple wasn't quite for "average consumers" though. Again, I used to bring Apple as an example of good, minimum-BS, no exaggerations, well though out marketing. "Your iPhone is beautiful. Give it a complement." Nice, to the point, with a neat pun (complement, as in accessories). The phrase about the camera is awful. I don't know why I'm getting downvoted so much.
- wiml 11y ago"Good enough for the average consumer" isn't usually Apple's marketing message, either.
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- erickhill 11y agoThis phone's naming convention (which at least seems better than the confusing iPad names: mini, Air 2, Pro, Pro) brings back fond memories of the Mac SE.
- sotojuan 11y agoThat said, I think Apple has too many devices now. I remember reading the book "Insanely Simple", in which the author lauded how simple Apple's lineup was. While it's not too confusing, it's definitely going in that direction. Of course, I am being hypocritical. The 5s is my favorite iPhone, so this new product is what I wanted all along.
- erickhill 11y agoTo think that for an instant a thought might have crossed a product manager's mind to call the new iPad the Apple iPad Air 2 Pro mini (or nano).
- chrisBob 11y agoWhat does SE mean?
- opiuse 11y ago"Special Edition"
- omarforgotpwd 11y ago"Small Edition"
- rmaus 11y ago"Stagnant Edition"
- strictnein 11y agoAccording to their presentation, it apparently somehow meant "China Edition".
- nerfhammer 11y agoSino Edition?
- iagooar 11y agoStrange Experiment
- mmphosis 11y ago"System Expansion" http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=14&id=1509 http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=14&id=1509
- xd1936 11y ago"Settle for Ergonomic"
- hwang89 11y agoSelect Edition. We've moved to car models. CE, LE, XLE, and LX are next.
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- chiph 11y agoSo, 6mm longer than the iPhone 4, but 1.7mm thinner. And with an A9 processor. Seems like a good size - I haven't cared for their "thinness at all costs" trend lately, as it makes the phone hard to hold onto. This appears to be much more hand-friendly.
- wrigby 11y agoIt looks like it's the exact same case dimensions as the iPhone 5/5s to me. I'm pretty tempted to get one... my iPhone 6S just feels a smidgen too big.
- Someone1234 11y agoPlus battery life is the first thing to go when they aim for thinness. I know they've improved battery life in the SE, but still, overall the trend is thinner with a smaller capacity battery (but more efficient components, so you ultimately break even). I have a phone with a 3100 mAh battery @ 5.1" 1080p, it isn't the thinnest phone around, but boy does it last three or four days. It is super nice. We need more phones like that.
- Philipp__ 11y agoIt seems to me like Apple almost wants you to charge your phone almost daily... I do not know... I do not see the reason for them too keep slimming their phones when it noticeably affects the battery. I kinda dislike their attitude. Expected to do the same as they did with laptops, for example, where MacBook Pro came so light and thin that I was like, it's a little heavier than Air and a little thicker, but hell it works better! They didn't sacrifice anything at brought amazing performances both in terms of raw computational power and battery life. What bugs me is that iPhone SE got thinner... WHY?! Why Apple didn't fill that space that saved by battery... Nobody would say, HEY CHANGE IT! Never enough battery power
- lis 11y agoIf the battery lasts 1.5 days, people have to start charging their phones in the middle of the day - which is usually a bad time and a huge inconvenience. If you have to charge it every day, you don't notice it, if the battery runs out in your lunch break, you will curse Apple for the bad battery life. In contrast, if you charge your phone daily anyway, you don't gain anything by 0.5 days of added battery life.
- c-slice 11y agoWhy the exact same shape as the iPhone 5S? I feel like a significant reason people buy new iPhones is the idea that people will notice you have the newest model. With SE, it will just appear like you have an out of date iPhone 5. Why not round the edges like the iPhone 6?
- untog 11y ago> I feel like a significant reason people buy new iPhones is the idea that people will notice you have the newest model Ha. No. The significant reason people buy new iPhones is because their cellular contract is up for renewal and they will get one for for free/cheap.
- Ambroos 11y agoHa. No. Not in many countries outside the US. Here in Belgium most people don't even have a contract, and almost all contracts don't come with a device.
- jlebar 11y agoPresumably it's substantially cheaper to reuse their existing production processes.
- BorisMelnik 11y agoI definitely see your point, but when thinking about my grandparents / parents who are 60 years of age and older, I think a lot of ppl in that demographic really don't want a "big" phone and mostly use it for phone calls, text messaging and light web browsing. I see this as a real win for Apple and a way to score a big portion of that demo.
- x1024 11y agoWut... Because the iPhone 5S had great design? Contrary to the popular meme, not all people buy Apple because they're shallow appearance-obsessed hipsters.
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- bliti 11y agoAnybody have any data on pricing? Edit From Techcrunch's post: The iPhone SE will come in two models, 16GB and 64GB, priced at $399 and $499 respectively. Kinda expensive for device that does not feature an SD card slot. :(
- giarc 11y agoNo iPhones have ever had an SD card slot. So you are comparing iPhones to phones made by other companies with other operating systems.
- bliti 11y agoYes, you are right. Although given how phones are now pocket computers I expect them to have additional storage options that are not cloud based. I find it that paying $500 for a device that does not allow additional physical storage is absurd. Given how good of a camera it seems to have.
- giarc 11y agoThe problem is that if you add an SD card slot, you have to eliminate something else (or decrease something else). I feel that between cloud services and 64gb+ phones, I wouldn't want an SD card slot. Accessing files on an external storage device is slow, so I wouldn't want to save direct to SD. You wouldn't want to save any apps to the SD for speed issues. So you would be limited to accessing photos and music. I just don't see a need for it, and if I did, there are plenty of android phones out there that would allow me expansion for storage.
- bliti 11y agoGood points. I feel that we are discussing the same issue from two different sides. You are OK with an iPhone device that does not have expandable physical storage and I am not. I do want an iPhone (even though I develop for Android) but that keeps me away. :)
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- ljk 11y ago6-7inch screens are getting too big but 4-inch is a little too small imo...
- jonknee 11y agoWell then you should love the iPhone 6s with its 4.7" display.
- roymurdock 11y agoHere is the fundamental problem for Apple WRT new iPhones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eSrdgTHhK0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eSrdgTHhK0 The processing power wall. The difference in processing power is extremely negligible between the latest models. What application are you going to be running on your phone that needs more power than the A7/A8, which can load webpages almost instantaneously? More processing power at this point seems like it will only be abused to allow sloppier code to slip through the cracks. Additionally, innovation in the app ecosystem is basically dead to me at this point. Differentiation through size, color, camera stabilization, 3D touch, fingerprint reader, lower price point, etc. is cool...but not really $500 cool to me as a user who would like (more than) 64gb on a phone. It's also interesting that they are still pricing the phone at $400 and not really making it an accessible play for growth markets where Android reigns supreme...maybe we'll see another "C" version made of plastic that will continue Apple's push into the lower-price-point markets. Interested to see if the tradeoff of market share for product focus and brand value is worth it in the long run, and how the market reacts.
- agumonkey 11y agoThey will milk the cow as long as possible, since getting cash is probably the safest path to high innovation by funding their R&D labs nicely. In my mind the only innovation is to make software invisible, which would somehow lower the visible value proposition of devices.
- callalex 11y agoParadoxically, increasing processing power actually improves battery life, which is one of the most important features of a smartphone. If the CPU can finish its tasks extremely quickly, it can spend more time in a low-power state. Also shrinking transistors usually causes both an increase in performance per watt and a reduction in the number of watts used.
- iKenshu 11y agoWhy SE?
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- grandalf 11y agoI wonder if reverting to the iPhone 5 design indicates that the design of the 6 is viewed as a flop by Apple. I've dropped my 6+ so many times that I love the design (it's indestructible) but perhaps Apple's market research is showing that some people love the look of their 5 and are avoiding upgrading for that reason.
- hollander 11y agoThis is the iPhone 4 design, not?
- justinv 11y agoNo, the 4 was glass all around. This is the 5/5s with metal back.
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- osi 11y agoI love the size of the 5 and love the rounded edge of the 6 because it doesn't eat the insides of my jean pockets. If they made a 4" phone with the design of the 6, perfect.
- dbot 11y agoThey've never built a 6-style model with a 4" screen. Seems more like a case of just taking the old chassis and upgrading a few components. Not that I'm complaining, but in a perfect world, it should match the design language of the current generation.
- pmontra 11y agoThey say it has the same general dimensions of the iPhone 5s from 2013. I quote two specs of that phone (source Wikipedia) Dimensions 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm (4.87 x 2.31 x 0.30 in) Weight 112 g (3.95 oz) I'm about to buy a new Android phone (or an iPhone SE if I could flash Android on it :-) ) and the problem is that there are only mid (few) and low range (many) phones with that size and weight. Hopefully the SE will sell well and in a year Samsung and the like will start selling again something with the size of a Galaxy S2 which was their flagship in 2011 - a few months before the iPhone 4s. Apple is proving that you can do it with modern chips and modern amounts of RAM and storage. What's closest to that in the Android world now are Samsung's A3 and Alpha and the Sony Z5 Compact, but they're not really there on all specs. If you haven't guessed it yet, I really don't care about the size of the screen, I care more about the dimensions and weight: I've got a tablet and a PC at home when I need a large screen, I want something small and light for when I'm outside. I'm still looking forward to something like this http://www.yankodesign.com/2012/01/20/not-a-pamphlet-its-a-smartphone/ http://www.yankodesign.com/2012/01/20/not-a-pamphlet-its-a-s... or the more realistic http://phandroid.com/2016/01/08/samsung-might-launch-its-foldable-smartphone-this-year-according-analysts/ http://phandroid.com/2016/01/08/samsung-might-launch-its-fol...
- stephenitis 11y agoDid they exclude battery life from the presentation?
- acchow 11y agoSeems so. They probably didn't want to point out that it lasts longer than both the 6S and 6S plus, lest their ASP drop.
- skrause 11y agoNo, I saw it in the presentation, but the slide was only shown for a very short time.
- tricolon 11y agoThey definitely included a slide featuring measured battery life.
- wolfhammer 11y agoI don't like the touch id and touch pay that they're pushing. Fingerprint scanners everyone is probably not a good thing. I'm sure they're all going to end up in a database somewhere.
- cm2187 11y agoBut it term of convenience to unlock your iphone it is unbeatable.
- morley 11y agoTouch ID data is stored in Secure Enclave; it doesn't leave your device. And it doesn't store an image of your fingerprint.
- wrigby 11y agoMy impression is that the Touch ID (on the iPhone at least) stores the fingerprints locally, and it's pretty hard to get at them, but I admittedly haven't done much research on it.
- bendykstra 11y agoThe Touch ID module hashes fingerprints as part of its scanning process, so the representation of a fingerprint would be of limited use if stolen. In addition, the hashes are stored within hardware that is not accessible by the iPhone's processor, so liberating the hash from the phone would require physical access and sophisticated tools.
- josefdlange 11y agoYour failure to research the feelings behind this statement is obvious. Fingerprints on an iOS device are stored in the Secure Enclave, a hardware module on the device itself, used for checking fingerprints, answering yes or no to the question "is this the user's fingerprint?" As for Apple Pay, your card details are used once -- exactly once -- to generate an obfuscated alias card identifier, again, only useable by the device. There is no database. Fingerprint data doesn't leave the phone. No one stores your credit card details. https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf Research before writing.
- cm2187 11y agoI would buy it if there was a 128GB version. It's the only form factor that works for me. I can't reach the whole of the screen with a single hand on the 6s and 6s plus.
- aiabgold 11y agoYou're probably already aware, but there's a nice feature on the 6s and 6s plus which somewhat handles this: double touch the home button (without pushing it down) and the screen moves down by half, leaving only the top half of the screen visible. Makes it a lot easier to reach options located at the top of the screen.
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- cm2187 11y agoI actually am aware, but that doesn't make up for not being able to reach the whole screen, not even close.
- cauterized 11y agoDoesn't help much if your hands are too small to reach more than a third of the way across the screen while holding the phone even vaguely securely.
- csomar 11y ago$399 for the 16GB version? Seems pretty affordable to me. So instead of buying a used iPhone you can get a new one for the same amount of $$.
- scope 11y agoThis seems very interesting / surprising, comparing[1] SE and 6S shows SE doesn't have second generation Touch ID. I understand the 3D Touch with the space avaliable & all but why not the second generation Touch ID? [1] http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
- downandout 11y agoI know they don't talk about RAM and we won't find out until after release, but I wonder if this has 1GB or 2.
- mratzloff 11y agoLooks like it's still 1 GB according to a leak from a few days ago. http://www.besttechguru.com/apple-iphone-se-retail-box-image-leaked-confirms-1gb-ram-and-a9-cpu/ http://www.besttechguru.com/apple-iphone-se-retail-box-image... Too bad; I would love to have a smaller form factor than my 6S. I waited for awhile to upgrade from my 4S to see if they would introduce something like this, but with ad-cluttered pages, web browsing can be really painful on 1 GB.
- downandout 11y agoYeah, that's about the only reason I wouldn't buy this thing. I hate 3D touch so the fact that it's missing isn't a concern to me, but the missing ram is a huge problem.
- jamisteven 11y ago399??! L M A O
- mortenjorck 11y agoOnly Apple would launch a new phone that looked physically almost identical to one that has been out for two and a half years. Similar to keeping the design language of the MacBook family the same across generations of the product, it's a reaffirmation of Massimo Vignelli's famous quote "Styles come and go. Good design is a language, not a style."
- rsynnott 11y agoI still kind of wish they'd bring back the iPhone 4 industrial design; as far as I'm concerned it was their high point. The 5/5S is a close second, though.
- Nicholas_C 11y agoI was not a fan of the glass back.
- sharkjacobs 11y ago> two and a half years. The iphone 5 came out in 2012, that's 4 years now.
- vacri 11y agoBefore smartphones, it was normal for a line of phones to look similar for years.
- ubasu 11y agoI couldn't identify all the car company logos. Specifically, in 1-based (row, column) format: (1,3), (3,2), (3,6), (4,4), (4,6), (4,7), (5,9) Can people please chime in with the correct identifications? (There seems to be a logo behind the speaker, which I am not counting)
- ubasu 11y agoNever mind, found them all here: http://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/ http://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/
- wintorez 11y agoI'm excited about this phone, especially the screen size. Not having 3D touch is not a deal breaker for me. I'm going to buy it as soon as it becomes available.
- robertwalsh0 11y agoI remember Jobs talking about never making a larger phone. I really wonder if it was a case of him caring about "taste" over "giving people what they want." There was some leaked Apple internal document where they said that people wanted larger phones. The post-Jobs Apple created larger phones to meet market demands. One thing that always makes me giggle, though, is the fact that if you double tap the home button the screen slides down so you can reach the navigation bar at the top of the screen. If you have to provide a hardware solution like that, isn't it proof that the larger phone provides a worse user experience? I'm excited about the smaller phone. My iPhone 6s is overly difficult to maneuver.
- carlisle_ 11y agoThis is a user preference thing. I cannot stand using the smaller sized iPhones, my fingers and thumbs are too large to accurately use the screen. My vision isn't very good either so I wind up having to squint and/or hold small phones very close to my face. I love my gigantic Nexus 6, some people hate it. I like that I can make the text big and still see enough of it on one screen. I can accurately input text, and comfortably hold the phone in my hand. At this point if somebody told me that my large phone was a poor user experience and I had to use a smaller phone, I would be very upset.
- ufmace 11y agoI'm a smaller phone fan, and that's perfectly fine with me. You're welcome to your large phone if that's what works for you; I just wish more manufacturer would also make high-end phones that are under 4.5" screen size, i.e. with good screen, memory, camera, speed, etc. I've never had an iPhone, but I'm glad that Apple is making this. Hopefully some of the android manufacturers will follow suit, or I might seriously consider switching.
- braythwayt 11y agoI bought the phone with the largest battery and thus the longest battery life and the fewest "Oh, shit" moments when I'm traveling to conferences or out on my mountain bike. The phone with the largest battery happened to have a larger screen glued to its back. I'm sure I'm representative of a market segment, although possibly not the only market segment.
- bigmattystyles 11y agoMade especially for Trump sized hands!
- BocceBaal 11y agoHe threatened a boycott. Apple has to do something.
- coetry 11y agoJust in time! My iPhone 6 just broke and its about time to get a new one. I have no problems going back to a smaller phone if it still carries the class and power of the phones that have recently come out. Not to mention the price makes me happy as well :)
- huhtenberg 11y agoNow if they ditch the flat UI nonsense and back to the original look & feel, they may actually see me upgrade from the best iPhone ever made - the iPhone 4.
- AlexandrB 11y agoiPhone4 is still my favourite phone in terms of feel. Dense and substantial in the hand.
- mariodiana 11y agoI had my iPhone 4 for three years and dropped it not once. I'm used to my 5s now, and appreciate the bigger screen, but I agree with you. The 4-inch screen is a trade-off. I'll admit to preferring it, but the form factor of the iPhone 4 was superior in terms of hand feel.
- rimantas 11y agoThere is nothing flat about iOS7+
- jokoon 11y agoI still don't understand how people can spend so much money on a small device like this. I guess I'm not so much on the move, but to me, $200 is the most I would spend on such device format. I have a $60 Huawei, and yes it's not the best android, but I'll always think that software should be adapted to take less cycles, instead of just having a umpf-ier CPU. HTML is a good example of that. There should be HTML formats that are optimized for smartphones, like preparsed HTML. Maybe expensive patents will expire soon, which might make smartphones cheaper and cheaper, but still.
- Sir_Vival 11y agoI don't care how small the device is - I use my cell phone a lot every day, and my business depends on it. For a lot of people it's the primary computer, primary communication device, primary camera, etc.
- mrweasel 11y ago>I still don't understand how people can spend so much money on a small device like this I don't think the size is really relevant, but yeah, that's an insane amount of money. If you need it for work, and generally use your phone a lot, it can make sense to pay a premium for a better device, but for the average person, I can't see it being justified. The marked penetration of the iPhone is way to high compared to the price, suggesting to me that to many people are spending their money recklessly.
- yborg 11y ago>This device is not at my price point, therefore those that buy it are spending their money recklessly It is possible that others have more money than you do.
- lowlevel 11y agoI have no reason to suspect this isn't the case, but does anyone know if the iPhone SE has the same glass as the 6s?
- pgz 11y agoWTF. €609 in Europe vs $499 in the US for the 64GB model. I will not let them get away with this pricing model. Keeping my trusted Nokia 2700 :)
- rsneekes 11y agoUS price is $499 for 64GB, but that's without tax. NL price is €588 inc 21% VAT.
- godgod 11y agoI'm not going to buy another apple product until the case with the FBI is settled.
- whizzkid 11y agoI think it is one of the first times Apple couldn't bring the best out of a specific technology/concept. As you can see from very beginning, Apple most of the time took an existing technology/concept, made it better and made it so user-friendly, usable, and simple that it always took off and became a standard. People loved it. Look at touch screen phones, tablets, buying music online, beautiful keyboard design (mac) and etc. With forced touch technology, even though it really is promising and advanced, Apple's user base did not really consider it as a key feature yet. It has been some time and you don't feel like you are missing something if you don't have it. I guess we will see with the iPhone SE if Apple thinks the same way. They may still think that it is an essential technology and put their time on it and I believe forced touch will be great if they continue working on it.
- jedp 11y agoSweet, but it's always risky getting the first generation hardware. I'm holding out for the iPhone SE/30.
- pcurve 11y agobeige plastic would seal the deal for me.
- abledon 11y agoWould the Wifi power/signal strength be stronger or weaker than that of the similarly sized iPhone4?
- curo 11y agoI need a banana for comparison.
- kingnight 11y agoWhat is going on with Apple's HealthKit UI. Right now they are showing two different UI's: NEW?: http://www.apple.com/researchkit/ http://www.apple.com/researchkit/ NEW in 9.3: http://www.apple.com/ios/updates/ http://www.apple.com/ios/updates/ The NEW in 9.3 is a big step back IMO from all previous versions' widgets that had line graphs; the NEW in the researchkit page looks like a reasonable improvement...
- blinkingled 11y agoI haven't looked at an iPhone in a while but doesn't the SE look a lot thicker than people would like in 2016? Is that because of bigger battery or Apple wanted to differentiate on thickness? It's good to see they are making a $399 model available - but I am not sure it had to be this small and this thick. A 1080p 4.7" model would have been the sweet spot at this price point.
- ant6n 11y agoVanilla Iphone 6 has 4.7inch albeit higher resolution.
- blinkingled 11y agoOh, ok. I guess even for the sake of differentiation lot of people would have still loved a 4.5" 1080 on SE - at least it covers a larger audience.
- goerz 11y agoActually, being too thin is what I hate most about the iPhone 6. Instead of making phones thinner, they should use that space for the battery. If they had the thickness of an iPhone 4 (which in my view was perfect), the battery might last twice as long!
- ourmandave 11y agoThe Siri example says, "Hey Siri, remind me about this when I get in my car." Does it only work with an iCar?
- hellofunk 11y agoThis really good news. My iPhone 4S has never had a case on it and is still in like-new condition after close to 5 years. Those were built like little tanks, and this SE appears to have the same body. Great news. I like a phone that fits in a pocket easily and these monsters they've made since just aren't for a lot of people. Yay for the SE.
- dosshell 11y ago>With 64‑bit desktop-class architecture Desktop-class architecture!? What do they really mean? For me desktop architecture is x86-64...
- eddd 11y agoNew iPhone compared to a model from 2013, apple you can do better than that. It is going be 4inch, but how thin? Same as 6s, don't think so...
- klunger 11y agoMeanwhile, did anyone else find it hilarious that folders were pointed out as one of the great new feature upgrades for Apple TV?
- qwertyuiop924 11y agoNote how they say, "A beloved design," not, "The S5 design." Whenever a company is not detailing what their customers already know in order to emphasize that their devices are SO good that they're revisiting the old design, it's to avoid saying, "We fucked up."
- rjurney 11y agoI drop my iPhone 6, but never dropped my iPhone 4. They've gotten too big to hold, I'll be buying one of these.
- senorgusto 11y agoUgh... Apple is so boring these days.
- lolive 11y agoMy iphone 5 and ipad Air are renewed for another season.
- muterad_murilax 11y agoI just noticed that the domain iphone.se is up for sale. (I'm not affiliated.) More info: http://www.iphone.se/till-salu http://www.iphone.se/till-salu (Swedish)
- AngryFromPurley 11y agoWe'll put this deck chair over here, and that one over there. There's no way this ship sinks now, the Titanic is truly unsinkable.
- metheus 11y agoI'm perplexed by all the suggestions that 3D touch is a misstep. Arguments center around it being useless, hard to discover, or a source of platform fragmentation and therefore confusion. 1) "3D touch is useless." 3D touch adds a new affordance to interacting with screen elements. Perhaps you do not use 3D touch, perhaps applications have not yet incorporated the feature in a compelling way, but 3D touch is no more useless than analog pressure sensitivity in game controller buttons. I would be shocked if driving games available for iOS didn't adopt pressure sensitive accelerator features this year. Ditto drawing apps; Pixelmator has already added support. Additionally, 3D touch means that interactions that previously had to depend on introducing latency (long-press) can now happen more quickly. 3D touch also promises a high degree of real-time feedback to a user, for example in the case of peek and pop. Application shortcuts are also very convenient and hold even more promise as apps become more powerful and complex, and if anything serve to highlight that Apple needs to improve the springboard environment. 2) "3D touch suffers from poor discoverability." I agree somewhat, but it doesn't make the feature bad. There is room for improvement here, and hidden features can still be good features. The solution is to improve the extent to which the elements embody press-ability. My guess is that future iOS versions will incorporate more visual cues for the interface elements that afford 3D interaction. Consider, for example, how the lock screen camera icon bounces when you tap on it -- suggesting that it should be swiped up (IIRC it used to launch the camera when you tapped on it). At the moment it's pure conjecture, but, just to toss out some ideas, elements could appear to depress slightly when touched normally, or be given a (very) minor 3D treatment... or down the line, haptic feedback could simulate texture (see http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=17&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=(345%2F173.CCLS.+AND+20150423.PD.)&OS=ccl/345/173+and+pd/4/23/2015&RS=(CCL/345/173+AND+PD/20150423) http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=H...) (Are any 'discoverability' critics emacs users?) 3. "3D Touch is confusing because some hardware supports it and some do not." Other people have already argued very effectively against this point. Also... Some mice have more mouse buttons than others. Some iPhones have processors that support power-free "Hey Siri". Some cars have built-in GPS. In general, people are not confused by higher cost/prestige features being absent from some models of a product.
- siliconviking 11y agoJust wanted to make sure I got the dates right -- today isn't April 1 right?
- ps4fanboy 11y agoThe slow march to phone commoditization continues. There are only so many "hardware" features a phone can get, incremental spec upgrades each year really wont excite people and value shopping will slowly become the norm. This isnt a good trend for apple.
- arthurcolle 11y agoYou guys are crazy. 3D Touch actually makes a screen full of apps useful. Instead of needing to have a million folders that I classify by behavior I can just have apps sprawled across a few screens and then apply a little more force on the app and then get a few actions that are related to the app. I'm actually shocked that I'm seeing such a Luddite response to something that's objectively better. I agree that the software needs improvement (for example, what makecheck says about deleting apps) and there are a few things that are kind of stupid. For example, one can't move a full window of apps as you can with Android without moving each individual app (which is pretty ridiculous). Apple definitely seems to be falling behind but 3D Touch is a great, solid feature. It was a mistake for them to omit it from this model.
- imranq 11y agoWhy are we still using the same designs / ideas approved by Steve Jobs in 2016? Its been 5 years and the new iPhones look almost exactly the same as the old ones - aside from some obvious local optimizations like processing speed and screen quality. It would be great to see something different come out of Apple, but right now it seems like the company is scared of coming out with anything truly revolutionary.
- sengork 11y agoSo much for tech specs page, it doesn't list the battery capacity. Does anyone know how many mAh it is?
- jtouri 11y agoI always liked the smaller size compared to the bigger ones. Kind of happy about it.
- altitudinous 11y agoA great play by Apple for growth in developing markets. Not so flash elsewhere, don't judge by your own standards. Clearly only low on device capacity to keep a low price point (No 3D touch - same reason). Capacity on board device is not really necessary anyway - thats the reason that Apple have been developing the iCloud.
- alessioalex 11y agoI know my iPhone 5c cannot use the ads blocking feature. Can this one?
- jkirsteins 11y agoIt should. Content blocking extensions are compatible with A7+, and the SE model has A9.
- alessioalex 11y agoThank you!
- hkmurakami 11y agoI was really really hoping for the 5c plastic body. It was great being able to drop the phone and not have to worry about the screen shattering on the vast majority of drops.
- gbog 11y agoI found 7 occurences of sentences starting with "And", it seems a bit too much to my ears. Having one or two may add some weight to something important, but if everything is important, nothing is.
- hathym 11y agoSE -> Still Expensive
- amai 11y agoFor the rest of the world: 4 inch = 10.16 cm
- colincarter41 11y agoThe A9 chip is at the core of this smaller iPhone, which gives it the same power as iPhone 6s. It brings impressive responsiveness and speed with its 64-bit desktop-class architecture. iPhone SE has clearly merged the best of both worlds by merging the features of iPhone 6s and the beloved design of iPhone 5s, that too at a lot cheaper price.
- tdsamardzhiev 11y agoAt first I got really hyped, but then.. "Non-removable Li-Po 1642 mAh battery" Ugh. Come on, Apple!