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Google Nexus 5x and 6P
- bigpeopleareold 11y agoNexus 5x: Now with a slightly better power button that will not fail after the warranty expires.
- osipovas 11y agoThis, absolutely this!
- dangrossman 11y agoMy Nexus 4's speaker failed just after a year. I replaced it with a Nexus 5, whose speaker and microphone failed after 7 months. I did a warranty exchange and the refurbished Nexus 5 now in my pocket's speaker and microphone just went out about a week ago. They share a flex cable that runs under the battery and seems to go bad somehow. I messed with the connection but it didn't fix it. I've preordered the 5x, but this time with the 2-year warranty.
- chetanahuja 11y agoHuh... bought a bunch of Nexus4's 3 years ago for family members (a mix of younger and older people). Some of them are still in use, some of them upgraded. Not a single complaint about random hardware failures (except for worsening battery life of course). Also haven't heard this particular complaint about Nexus devices on the forums etc. Are you sure this is not something specific to your use patterns?
- dangrossman 11y agoOh, it's not uncommon. I've commiserated over these issues with dozens of others in Android message boards. There are YouTube videos where people show how to "fix" it, mostly involving jamming things inside the case to hold the flex cable connector in place more firmly. I don't do anything with my phone except put it in my front pant pocket, hold it in my hand, or set it on a wireless charging pad.
- tdkl 11y ago> (except for worsening battery life of course) Compliments of 5.0 Lollipop. It's sad they're going to leave the N4 with that abomination.
- nly 11y agoThe N4 has 5.1.1, and it'll get M via community ROMs for sure.
- rjbrock 11y ago16gb and 32gb? Why is storage always so low?
- patrickaljord 11y agoBecause most people don't need that much, especially with the new auto-delete of photos that have been copied to the cloud in Google Photo, love this feature.
- o_____________o 11y ago> new auto-delete of photos that have been copied to the cloud in Google Photo Source on that?
- julbaxter 11y agoWhere can I turn on this feature?
- patrickaljord 11y agoSlide to the assistant, if your phones is full, it will suggest deleting photos that have been copied to the cloud already.
- untog 11y agoI listen to music on my (underground, subway) commute to work, so I really need that storage.
- codemac 11y agoDoes this work with Project Fi?
- kensuke155 11y agoYes.
- Glide 11y agoDang.... Should have waited on signing up for Project Fi.
- huangc10 11y agoBoth 5X and 6P work with Project Fi.
- codemac 11y agoI just checked the fi website and they don't mention it, and I see it nowhere mentioned on the device's pages either.. Where can I see this confirmed? Any references you can point me to? Thanks for you help :)
- birdmanjeremy 11y agohttps://fi.google.com/about/ https://fi.google.com/about/ bottom of the page.
- codemac 11y agoAwesome! Thanks for the link
- bdcs 11y agoYes the 5X and 6P work with Project Fi, according to CNET. http://www.cnet.com/news/googles-new-nexus-phones-to-work-on-google-fi/ http://www.cnet.com/news/googles-new-nexus-phones-to-work-on...
- huangc10 11y agoSuccessor to best Nexus phone ever. The LG Nexus 5.
- INTPenis 11y agoI still have that phone and I can't imagine upgrading. Anything 5" and up doesn't fit well in my hand, and I'm a relatively big guy. The specs are more than enough for my needs, phone, work, messaging, music.
- noir_lord 11y agoI'm still on a Nexus 4, I'll upgrade when it breaks or the battery dies, neither of which seems to be likely. It's a cracking little phone and does everything I'd want.
- cylinder 11y agoBest besides the horrendous battery life. Absolutely abysmal. Doesn't look like this improves much.
- fizzbatter 11y agoCompletely agree. I just ordered an N6 because of the lower price, but the N5 is by far the best phone i have owned to date.
- orf 11y agoThis looks awesome, I'm looking to update my Nexus. I don't really see the point of the 6p though, everything is slightly better than the 5X but not by that much
- welder 11y agoIt's open for preorders (Leaves warehouse in 4 - 5 weeks)
- wnevets 11y agoIs there really no qi wireless charging?
- cheald 11y agoThe metal body apparently precludes it.
- eli 11y agoIsn't the 5x plastic?
- cheald 11y agoAh, you're right. I thought that it was metal from earlier leaks, but it looks like it's polycarbonate.
- Someone1234 11y agoThat's a little disappointing as now even a few new cars have it available in the tray area.
- josu 11y agoQualcomm Becomes First Company to Enable Wireless Charging for Mobile Devices with Metal Cases https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/07/28/qualcomm-becomes-first-company-enable-wireless-charging-mobile-devices https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/07/28/qualcomm-b...
- Sanddancer 11y agoThe press release on that is only two months old. This phone was probably in or near final testing by then, and definitely laid out. Components like this usually take at least six months to start to flow into end devices, because of the lead time required for manufacturing complex devices.
- bdcs 11y agoWireless charging was a great feature for in the car. I would set my phone down and it would play music over BT while charging. C'est la vie.
- washt 11y agoI think I'll hold out for my 1 plus 2 invite.
- devbug 11y agoI'm waiting too... but I'm getting rather antsy.
- cpncrunch 11y agoA lot of people are saying that the oneplus one has unreliably hardware and buggy software. Reliability is much more important to me than saving a few bucks. I was planning on getting the Note 5 when the 64gb variant is available in Canada, but now I'm considering the 6P.
- darklajid 11y agoI had a OnePlus One, now my wife uses it and I watch with envy, holding the crap-phone that is a S6E. Would go back in an instant.
- smacktoward 11y agoThe Nexus 6P appears to be up now too: https://store.google.com/product/nexus_6p https://store.google.com/product/nexus_6p The Google Store doesn't do a great job of indicating which kind of customer would prefer one of them over the other, surprisingly.
- newjersey 11y agoThey've changed the link to go to google dot com slash nexus. I don't want to whine but if the guys are reading can you please swap out to https if possible? https://www.google.com/nexus/ https://www.google.com/nexus/
- fumar 11y agoGoogle did a good job of avoiding the lack of OIS on both the 5X and 6P. I don't mind not having wireless charging capability, but OIS has proven to be a helpful feature when taking photos in less than ideal situations. I think, if size isn't an issue, the Nexus 6 is still a solid option at the reduced price point.
- dozy 11y agoThough hard to say if this is true, it seemed their argument during the presentation was that the bigger sensor/pixels in both devices make up for the lack of OIS, and they specifically compared performance against the Nexus 6.
- cheald 11y agoThe 1.55 micrometer pixel sensors are interesting. If they actually do what they're supposed to, then exposure times should be decreased which would theoretically reduce the usefulness of OIS. I guess we'll see once the reviews start coming in.
- mtgx 11y agoOnly partially. OIS is still useful for video stabilization. Bigger pixels won't help there.
- cheald 11y agoGranted, but you can make that up with software stabilization, so long as each individual frame isn't blurry. I'd definitely have preferred OIS, but I'm not convinced that it's a dealbreaker just yet.
- bitmapbrother 11y agoDxOMark has already ranked the Nexus 6P as 2nd best behind the S6 Edge. http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles
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- dantillberg 11y agoAnd unsurprisingly, it's half a foot tall (159mm, or 6.2 inches). My hands continue to cry. Is it what the future holds, that we should eventually hold mainframes up to our heads?
- hn9780470248775 11y agohttps://store.google.com/product/nexus_5x https://store.google.com/product/nexus_5x is a bit smaller.
- dantillberg 11y agoSure, the 5X is smaller, but at 5.8 inches (147mm) it's still bigger than my nexus 5, which clocks in at an already-hefty 5.4 inches (138mm).
- barrkel 11y agoThe 5X is 5.2 inches.
- dantillberg 11y agoThe display on the 5X is 5.2 inches. The physical dimensions of the phone are a bit larger.
- Jtsummers 11y agoThe 5X has a 5.2" diagonal display and a 6.4" diagonal for the device with bezel and all. It's dimensions (in inches) are 2.9"x5.8".
- bryanlarsen 11y agoIt's smaller than the device it's replacing.
- rurounijones 11y agoNexus 5 : 137.9 x 69.2 x 8.6 mm ( Front face 9,542.68 sq mm ) Nexus 5X: 147.0 x 72.6 x 7.9 mm ( Front face 10,672.2 sq mm) The front face will be larger. The only way it is smaller is the reduction in thickness. [EDIT] My mistake, thought you were talking about the Nexus 5
- Navarr 11y agoI really need to see a comparison between 6P, Moto X Pure, and current 6. Those are the phones I need to decide between. Current 6 only b/c it should get cheap and the Snapdragon 820 comes out next year, but I'm not sure I can wait a year with my aging Moto X 2013.
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoMaybe it's not worth it to you but I'd love to see a comparison between the phones you listed but also toss the iPhone 6S+ in there. I don't have any brand loyalty and bounce back and forth between iOS and Android so it's always helpful for me when someone includes the iPhone in comparison.
- Navarr 11y agoWould be a nice edition for other's without brand loyalty. I just have no desire to ever switch into the Apple ecosystem, and I've significantly bought into Google's
- 21echoes 11y agohttp://www.theverge.com/2015/9/29/9414419/google-nexus-5x-6p-spec-price-feature-comparison http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/29/9414419/google-nexus-5x-6p...
- crypteasy 11y agoI was looking at the same phones as you a few weeks ago, then the Nexus 6 price dropped to $350 on Amazon and I quickly jumped on it. Pretty solid phone for the price.
- Navarr 11y agoThat's what's making me consider it. The Nexus 6 is a solid phone (my wife has it), it has wireless charging, a good camera, the Nexus brand - everything I want. It's just no longer "top of the line." It'll have Marshmallow, so if it's cheap enough.. it's worth getting it and waiting for the 820 and hopefully new top of the line phones from Motorola and Google next year making use of them.
- quasse 11y agoThe price is certainly right, but I really don't feel like the specs are any kind of leap that makes me want to upgrade from my Nexus 5. Hexa-core is neat, but honestly I'd rather have software polish that meant rotating my phone while using the camera in video mode didn't mean some probability of a system reboot. Unfortunately my experience with both the Nexus 4 and 5 is that the stability is either never quite there or actually decreases dramatically as OS updates come out and Google's focus shifts.
- georgefrick 11y agoYes. With only 32GB, the "Use the cloud, Luke" is a bit pushy. The only thing selling me is the desire to get the USB Type C. I've experienced what you are talking about, every time I get an OTA for the Nexus 5; the performance seems to degrade dramatically. We're looking at spending $400 every 2 years to stay every other gen Nexus? That isn't horrible (55 cents a day or so). But if we pay for services to avoid storage on the phone, the cost rises. Nothing about the CPU/Etc makes me think it's time for an upgrade.
- quasse 11y agoHonestly the cloud push doesn't bother me, although I'd suspect I don't go about it the way Google wants. I host my own Subsonic media server which means that I can just set a cache size in Android (5GB right now) and let it automatically download my media as I consume it and push old stuff out of the cache. Combined with Dropbox camera uploads I generally don't use much more than 10GB of storage on my phone.
- georgefrick 11y agoI'm going to check Subsonic out, thanks for the recommendation. Now I really don't need to upgrade.
- trampi 11y agoJust out of curiosity: what mobile network traffic do you have? Over here in germany, i would certainly kill my free 1 gigabyte per month, even with cache size set to ~ 25 gigabyte.
- AdmiralAsshat 11y agoWhy did Google bother with all of that work to fix SD storage in Android M[0] if they're still not going to put an SD card in their Nexus phones!?! I was holding out hope that I would finally have a reason to buy a Nexus phone with the 5X or 6P, but now that we have the final spec sheet, I think I'm going to just grab an HTC One M9 or something. The lack of expandable storage really kills it for me. [0]http://www.android.gs/android-m-feature-spotlight-sd-cards-can-be-used-as-internal-storage/ http://www.android.gs/android-m-feature-spotlight-sd-cards-c...
- jjcm 11y agoSerious question - do you really use more than 128GB on your phone? If so, at what point would internal storage be good enough for you to not require extendable storage?
- AdmiralAsshat 11y ago128 GB would be enough, but I resent having to pay an extra $150 for it as internal storage when I can find a 128gb memory card for about $60 on Amazon.
- cpncrunch 11y agoThe internal memory is much faster than SD cards, and potentially more reliable. I think Google and Samsung have decided to ditch sd cards to prevent the user having a shitty experience. Also, Google is offering 128GB, which is pretty decent. And their pricing is much less than Samsung's for 64gb vs 32gb.
- mtgx 11y agoIt may be, but you only have to buy one high-speed (U3?) microSD card once (every 4-6 years), while if you need 128GB storage in your phone but it only comes as internal, then with every phone you buy you'll have to pay that extra premium.
- Someone1234 11y agoI have the Z3 which is also 5.2" and has a 3100 mAh battery compared to the 2700 mAh battery in this. And seemingly that costs you no thickness as the Z3 is actually slightly thinner (7.3 mm vs 7.9 mm for this). They're both 1920 x 1080 LCD at 423 ppi. In my experience 3000 mAh at 5.2" is the sweet spot, as below that you might rarely run out of juice under heavy usage. Above that no matter how heavy your usage is you'll get that whole day (and multiple days under light load). You can buy an unlocked Sony Z3 for $400 right now (32 GB storage).
- chetanahuja 11y agoWhere? A simple google search yields links like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1091325-REG/sony_1289_4869_xperia_z3_lte_phone.html http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1091325-REG/sony_1289_... which is $560.
- Someone1234 11y agoThis person has 70 to sell, Buy It Now, New, unlocked, 32 GB, for $420.90 (free shipping offered, from Texas). Well reviewed for selling similar items: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-XPERIA-Z3-D6616-32GB-Black-GSM-UNLOCKED-Smartphone-/252060108280?hash=item3aaff405f8 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-XPERIA-Z3-D6616-32GB-Black-GSM-...
- pfalke 11y agoWhat's the price? Couldn't find it on the page, only the "join the waitlist" button. Any help appreciated
- pierre_massat 11y agoThey announced $399 for the 16GB and $429 for the 32GB.
- dangrossman 11y ago$379, not $399. There's an optional $69 2-year protection plan, which would cost $99 from SquareTrade. It also comes with a $50 Play Store credit. If you would've spent the money on the warranty and Play Store anyway, that makes it a $300 phone.
- khc 11y agothe protection plan is not included
- delecti 11y agoI think they meant that, because the Google provided protection plan is cheaper, you're saving money, assuming you're going to get the protection plan either way.
- shostack 11y agoWow...really do not like the forced purchase of $50 of app store credit.
- rch 11y agoLooks like they are available in the store: https://store.google.com/product/nexus_6p https://store.google.com/product/nexus_6p ($499) https://store.google.com/product/nexus_5x https://store.google.com/product/nexus_5x ($379) Shipping in 3-4 weeks for the 5x (noted at checkout).
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- xd1936 11y agoI'm gonna be all over that 5X with Project Fi.
- Grazester 11y agoI wanted the 5X but it seems like that only comes with 2 gigs of Ram and gets 32 gigs max storage. For future proofing I prefer to have more memory and storage.
- blisterpeanuts 11y ago+1 on Fi. It's the sleeper feature that justifies trading up to one of these bad boys. I spend much of my time in wifi, as does my wife, and I suspect we can shave minimum $40 a month off our phone bills if we were both using Fi phones. It wouldn't take long to pay for itself.
- morsch 11y agoThe price is fine -- in the US. The markup in Germany, and presumably the other EUR-countries, is enormous. The $380 Nexus 5X 16 GB will be sold (when? who knows) for 480 EUR. $380 at today's rates with the 20% VAT added on top is 405 EUR. Maybe I'm missing some massive import duties that go on top of the VAT. Too bad, I was looking forward to it.
- zeveb 11y ago> The markup in Germany, and presumably the other EUR-countries, is enormous. Elections have consequences. Presumably the great mass of your countrymen are happy getting additional social services in return for higher taxes.
- morsch 11y agoYour tone is uncalled for. I included the 20% VAT which results in ~405 EUR, and I'm fine with it. I do mind the remaining 75 EUR that go on top of it. Though I just found out that about half of that goes to the copyright industry[1]. [1] http://www.giga.de/unternehmen/gema/news/smartphone-abgabe-36-euro-fuer-jedes-geraet-gehen-an-gema-und-co/ http://www.giga.de/unternehmen/gema/news/smartphone-abgabe-3... (German)
- RyanZAG 11y agoI'd guess the other half is going towards things like localizing text and dealing with getting the device certified for the market, etc. You could say the same about the initial English version and USA certifications - but those are generally bundled into the core product while the German part would be extras. Yeah that does mean you're paying for both the English version and USA certifications when you buy the device in Germany even though you aren't using those, but that's life.
- bruceb 11y agoThe US price will be $380+ state/city sales tax which almost every state has. Add 5%-9.9% to that $380 price
- thom_nic 11y agoMinor gripe: Who thought it was a good idea to make a charger with a permanent cable attached? https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_charger https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_charger Also, does anyone have full specs? I don't see it anywhere.
- mmastrac 11y agoI agree that it's not a great idea, but I assume it has something to do with the abnormally high current that it can provide.
- gouggoug 11y agoThis is probably right. They mention: "15W of power so you can charge your USB Type-C enabled phones and tablets quickly. Also works with large USB Type-C devices, like laptops.¹". And the footnote: "¹Wattage is optimized for smaller devices, like phones and tablets. Larger devices, like laptops, will take longer to charge. Delivers maximum charge speed to Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P. Charge time depends on USB Type-C device. Larger devices, such as the Chromebook Pixel, will typically need more charge time with this adapter (Pixel estimated charge time is 5.6 hours at 15W with system off)."
- baddox 11y agoSo does that mean that normal USB A connector for some reason can't handle the current? That seems odd.
- sbierwagen 11y agoYes, in fact. USB1 tops out at 2.1A, USB3 here is 3A. (Watts is volts times amps. 15W/5V = 3A) USB Power Delivery chargers can deliver quite a lot more.
- baddox 11y agoI'm only talking about the physical connector.
- legulere 11y agoI wonder how the fingerprints will be stored. Secure from access by the operating system? Or will they be uploaded to Google like wifi passwords?
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoI would imagine they implemented it exactly like Google in that they're stored only on the OS and it needs your code to decrypt them. Anything else just doesn't sit right.
- mtgx 11y agoUgh. First off they need to only store hashes of fingerprints, not the fingerprint images themselves. But I hope they are smart enough to do that by now. Second, it's not supposed to be "on the OS". It's supposed to be in TrustZone, the "secure world" separated from the OS. I hope that's what they did, but I worry they may have adopted a more "universal" solution that's a little higher level and less secure (even though TrustZone should be in virtually all ARM chips).
- thaumasiotes 11y ago> First off they need to only store hashes of fingerprints, not the fingerprint images themselves. But I hope they are smart enough to do that by now. That sounds pretty impressive. How would this be done? You're not going to get the same file by scanning the same physical finger twice. Fingerprints are recognized by comparing an image to a stored record of salient features, not to another image. But as far as I can see (and I have no further knowledge of the area), you kind of need the actual record, and the identifying information it contains, in order to see if an image matches it.
- dagw 11y agoThere are lots of algorithms that take an image and produce a so called perceptual hash that matches all images that 'look' the same. phash.org is a popular open source implementation of one such algorithm
- fenaer 11y agoThe US prices are reasonable, but the UK prices are just horrendous. £500 for the 6P brings it out of the range of "I'm due an upgrade anyway" into luxury territory. I think I'll stick with my Nexus 5.
- davidw 11y agoIn terms of the software, the Nexus phones are some of the best I've ever had, because they don't mess around with Android to try and 'improve' it, and because they get regular, timely upgrades. My Nexus 4 is still going strong several years after I got it. I'm tempted by the 5x, though I wish it were a bit smaller.
- acconrad 11y agoAnother Nexus 4 owner! My girlfriend has been giving me crap about how my phone is going to be 3 years old in a month and how I need a new phone. I don't. They are all plastic/glass bricks with the same Android operating system in them. I wish my battery life were better, which I guess would warrant a new phone. I don't like that the battery is under 3000 mAh but it is only $380...though I guess others are saying that the Moto X Pure and the Xperia Z3 are around the same price point but better?
- davidw 11y agoThe Nexus 4 had great battery life initially - you could get through nearly 2 days with it. After a lot of use, mine is not so great any more, but still quite usable - I don't have to worry about whether it'll make it through the day.
- cheald 11y agoMy N4's battery life is really hit-and-miss. If I wander into an area with poor HSPA+ coverage the battery just tanks.
- MrBusch 11y agoSame here - actually the Nexus 4 still is a great solid phone. But besides the battery life, storage space for apps is a problem for me. Since the latest Android updates, apps got a lot bigger and I regularly need to delete stuff to be able to get all the app updates. Maybe it's time for a new phone now.
- shadeless 11y agoAs an owner of Nexus 5 I must say I'm a bit disappointed with this announcement. I was looking forwards to upgrading my almost two year old phone to Nexus 5x, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason unless Nexus 5 stops getting new Android updates. They have the same resolution, same amount of memory, same amount of storage. I don't shoot video, and I probably won't use fingerprint reader - but I do use wireless charging every day.
- stormbrew 11y agoWait, these don't have wireless charging? Ugh.
- oconnore 11y agoWhy are you disappointed? It sounds like a device you bought a few years ago has a longer useful lifespan than you thought. You get to have a state of the art phone for less money when you own it longer. I wonder if devices will start to be built better, with more replaceable components as the rate of spec improvements in mobile devices slows down.
- x0x0 11y agoMy phones seem to last 24-30 months; they just eventually take enough damage from being in my pocket and moved around all day every day that they die. And battery life goes to crap. I too was hoping for a nice nexus 5 upgrade.
- tcdent 11y agoYow. Here's a perspective from someone who has only owned two iPhones: I purchased the first gen on release day (2007) and carried it my pocket every day without a case until the 5 came out in 2012. I still have it, it still works. I bought my iPhone 5 in 2013 and carry it my pocket every day without a case. It has some cosmetic damage. Not fanboy-ing; I think it's legitimately interesting that most smartphones are still designed the way early cell phones were: plastic case around components, clipped or screwed on, flimsy from day one.
- chdir 11y agoMy biggest gripe with Nexus series has been the camera. None of the releases has made a quantum leap in terms of picture quality. I don't care about gimmickries like HDR, live photos, sphere etc., all I want is a $300 Point & Shoot quality. Something that won't make me feel guilty for using a camera phone for preserving spontaneous memories. Please Google :) Samsung has done a great job with the S6, the others like G4 & Moto aren't far behind.
- stephengillie 11y agoI've heard nothing but compliments about the photos from my Nexus 5 camera. They're very high resolution and look great. I'll post some from Imgur if you want. What problems are you having with yours?
- Grazester 11y agoYou kidding right? Maybe your have the art of taking photos with that phone down or something but pictures I take with it always seems to washed out compared to my Moto X(another bad one)
- stephengillie 11y agoThis one looks alright to me, and didn't get any comments that it was taken with a "potato": https://m.imgur.com/wzMqO8p https://m.imgur.com/wzMqO8p
- y2bd 11y agoTo be honest, to me it looks a bit noisy, washed out colors, and it must not have been taken in bright lighting because you can see some camera shake. There's also a lot of smudging in the carpet and wall textures, which makes me think that either there originally was a lot of noise before post-processing, or the noise removal software on the phone isn't very good.
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- tedunangst 11y ago> 518 pixels per inch To the moon! Considering it's a six inch phone, how close to my face am I going to be holding this thing? I wonder what's coming next. 240Hz refresh rates?
- caskance 11y agoIf they're serious about putting your phone in a headset to use it as a VR display, that wouldn't be a bad idea.
- megablast 11y agoA feature maybe 1% of people would do.
- tdkl 11y ago> I wonder what's coming next. 240Hz refresh rates? Don't give Samsung new ideas for spec boasting.
- eertami 11y agoI'd be more than fine with investments into high refresh rate screens, a true 240Hz desktop monitor wouldn't be spec boasting it would be the dream.
- tedunangst 11y agoWhat makes 240 better than 120?
- tdkl 11y agoWe aren't discussing desktop monitors, but mobile screens and the sanity of putting "moar pixels and them refresh rates" in it.
- JaRail 11y agoWe just need input methods that can keep pace with negligible delay. It would make dragging/writing so much nicer.
- darklajid 11y agoAny known statements about CyanogenMod support in the future for those? Nexus devices should be fine, right?
- chillydawg 11y agoI'd be very surprised if CyanogenMod isn't ported very, very quickly. (that's lots of very's)
- libso 11y agoAs an owner of Nexus 6, I was taken aback by the Nexus 6P pricing. Effectively you can get 6P for 500-50$ vs 650$ for Nexus 6 (32GB). Agreed Nexus 6P is smaller than Nexus 6 but if they can sell 6P at 450$ I wonder why they jacked up Nexus 6's price so much.
- jlebar 11y ago> I wonder why they jacked up Nexus 6's price so much. The new thing is cheaper than the old thing, so the old thing must have been overpriced? Is it possible instead that in the intervening time components have become cheaper, Google has been able to negotiate better deals (perhaps due to higher projected volume), and so on?
- ksk 11y agoIt's kind of interesting to see this cycle of flexibility and consolidation happen with software and hardware. I'd say that the ideal time to use a technology is when it's at the consolidation stage i.e. when the Company figures out which features to consolidate/cut/remove and creates a streamlined version of their product. All the ways in which third party code (often buggy) can plug into an OS have slowly been giving way to a more stable and robust OS. Until we hit the next flexibility cycle and start seeing all kinds of bloat.
- NiekvdMaas 11y agoLink for non-US people: http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/nexus/ http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/nexus/
- ricardobeat 11y agoThe site looks completely broken on both mobile Safari & Chrome desktop. What gives?
- lars_francke 11y agoI understand that I'm not the majority but I do not understand the big deal about cameras on smartphones. Yes, I take a few pics on the phone per year but that's it. Looking around with friends and family I see the same. Again: I understand that there are lots of people that really do take lots of pictures and videos but I can't help but think that lots of regular smartphone users are not as concerned about the camera quality as the marketing makes me believe.
- myth_buster 11y agoThe whole Instagram ecosystem is a testament to the need for phone camera! Additionally, given that most people only have their phone cameras with them and don't invest in SLRs/Mirrorless/Compact cameras, the need for good quality for preserving their memories seems important.
- Marazan 11y agoThen you'd be wrong. The truism of the best camera you have is tbr the one thats always on you is a massive driving force of smartphone sales. Before smart phones were camera phones and camera quality was a key factor mobile phobe sales. The original IPhone was hesvily criticised for its crappy camera quality. You and your cricle might not take loads of photos on your phone but me and the gneral public take hundreds.
- tfinniga 11y agoI think there are lots of people who do use their smartphone cameras extensively. For example, check out the Flickr most common cameras: https://www.flickr.com/cameras https://www.flickr.com/cameras The best camera is the one that is always with you.
- jinushaun 11y agoEven when I carry a DSLR, I probably shoot about 4:1 on my iPhone versus my DSLR. I used to argue the same, but this is no longer true. The cameras are really good now. Smartphone cameras have beaten point-and-shoot. They won't ever beat DSLR, but most people don't need a DSLR. The future of the camera is the phone.
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- tcdent 11y agoPretty insightful to compare this to Apple's recent release where they've introduced a brand-new input method, in addition to the usual spec-bump. Meanwhile, Google is still building phones that are trying to keep up with what are essentially PC hardware specs (memory, clock speed, etc). I'm amazed they think that protrusion for the camera is cool, too. There are obviously two very different mentalities inside these companies. How do customers get excited about buying a phone that was obsolete months ago?
- drewrv 11y agoI switched to an iPhone recently and can't wait to switch back. Already preordered the new nexus. PC hardware specs are important, my biggest complaint about the iPhone is how little RAM it has. My nexus 5 could support doing simple things like running an email app, web browser, and maps app simultaneously. My iPhone is constantly reloading stuff when I attempt this.
- lmedinas 11y agoWith the new iPhone 6s you shouldn't have this problem as they have 2GB RAM. At least i have much more issues in my Nexus 5 than with my iPad Air 2 (with 2GB RAM)
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- kllrnohj 11y ago> Pretty insightful to compare this to Apple's recent release where they've introduced a brand-new input method The stylus and touch long-press both predate Apple's usage by years. All Apple contributed was marketing names.
- tcdent 11y agoThe feature I was referring to is not a long press. I'm sure it was prototyped somewhere 10 years ago, but that is not the same as bringing it to market at all. Styli and pressure sensitivity on Android is a great example of what you are talking about; it literally is the same product someone came up with 10 years ago. Google has not contributed anything to make it revolutionary.
- rdl 11y agoOrdered a 5X because its cheap, to use for exploring ROMs. Curious if there's a secure element for the Nexus Imprint thing.
- iraphael 11y agoFor how much can I expect to get a Nexus 5 (last year's model)?
- mkonecny 11y agoPrevious Nexus 5 was released in 2013. Last year was the Nexus 6 (6 meaning it was 6 inch device)
- oblio 11y agoGoogle, please, please, just let me see the stupid page even if I'm not in the US. Just put a huge, red warning sign saying that the product is not available in my country.
- ljk 11y agoNow I'm curious, what does it look like outside of U.S.?
- oblio 11y agoI think they might have fixed the link meanwhile? Anyway, this is what I got: The Google Store isn't available here yet.
- elboru 11y agoFor Mexico it shows what it seems like a broken CSS page, with the previous models: http://snag.gy/DCtTt.jpg http://snag.gy/DCtTt.jpg
- MichaelGG 11y agoFor other things, like their solar power calculator, they actually serve up a 404, saying "that's all we know". Google does a terrible job with globalization.
- morsch 11y agoThe direct link to the product page should work: https://store.google.com/product/nexus_5x https://store.google.com/product/nexus_5x At least it did for me. Even let me sign up for a waitlist.
- beyondcompute 11y agoPoor website. It delivers no information, it does not convey the vision (because there is no, probably) it does not create a product impression. What are "Advanced photo and video features", for example? Why Google is so brilliant in terms of engineering and so miserable in terms of design?
- JimmaDaRustla 11y agoCanadian prices suck, they're higher than what our terrible exchange rate equates to when compared to USD prices. Also sounds like they're going to be locked to carriers? Nexus phones aren't the easy choice anymore.
- cpncrunch 11y ago>Also sounds like they're going to be locked to carriers? Nope. "Phone is carrier-unlocked with wide-range band support for service providers worldwide. Check with your service provider for more information."
- sologoub 11y agoThe placement of the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone strikes me as a bit odd. I get that they had to not copy iPhone placement, but this means you have to pickup the phone to unlock it, as opposed to just touch it. Wonder how phone cases are going to handle that placement.
- tdkl 11y agoWith a hole ?
- bitmapbrother 11y agoWhy is it odd? That's where your fingers are - the back of the phone when holding it.
- sologoub 11y agoWhat if the phone is on your desk or holder in the car? You can always unlock it the normal way with pin or pattern, but it's not as convenient as the fingerprint reader.
- shostack 11y agoI can't think of a single use case where you are using your phone without touching the front of the screen in some way, whereas I can think of plenty where you have zero need to touch the back (ie. any time you have it in a mount or on a flat surface). Seems like a PITA.
- johnward 11y agoMy Nexus 4 was the best phone I've ever had. I've been suffering with the HTC one since and it is awful. Now I'm stuck because I like the Nexus and vanilla android but I have an upgrade through my provider that would get me a Galaxy s6 for $129 with two year contract. So far as I can tell these Nexus devices won't be released on a carry and I don't think AT&T gives you any discount for not using your upgrade. It would be nice to save $10 a month if you don't subsidize a phone but since I can't I'm leaning towards the S6 because it's $250 cheaper than the Nexus 5x. Also, did everyone abandon Qi charging? It wasn't necessary but it was one like that was cool about the N4.
- pkudel4 11y agoand the flashlight will still not work.... nexus5 owner
- rsync 11y agoI am finally in the market for a new mobile phone - my trusty MOTO FONE (F3)[1] finally died after three years. One of my absolute no-compromise feature needs is removable media ... an SD card slot that can accept the new 128 GB cards. This is because my current music collection is 68 GB in size and carrying the entire collection is one of my use-cases. But ... I also want a non-crapware, pure android phone, and the nexus "reference model" idea always appealed to me. So here's the new phone, and I need one, and click through, ready to pre-order. And then I see my storage choices are 16 and 32 GB. Like it's 2010 or something. So I'm ready to purchase, card in hand, full price ... and willing to add on $250 or whatever clown-markup they have for the (non-existent) 128 GB model. And unfortunately we can't do business at all. Maybe next time. [1] The best phone I ever had - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Fone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Fone
- yoavm 11y agoWait, you had some kind of special edition of the Fone that had 128GB ?
- Sanddancer 11y agoNo, he had a Fone and a 128GB microsd card in it
- rsync 11y agoThe requirement to hold all of my music is as I make the switch to a smartphone. My dumbphone requirements were just redial and alarm clock.
- nickysielicki 11y agoGet a clip zip (~$30) and a 128gb sd card (~$50), put rockbox on it ($0), enjoy your entire collection in whatever codec you want, in a form factor that works better for exercising, with a week battery life to boot.
- irl_zebra 11y agoGood suggestions, I didn't know about the Clip or Rockbox until now. You wouldn't happen to know any way to listen to Spotify on a similar device do you? I don't have any mp3s as I've been using Spotify for years. Right now my solution has been to have a super cheap/small Android phone, install Spotify, and use it in offline mode reconnecting at least every 30 days. I got the phone for like $15 on a Radioshack sale or something.
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- kozukumi 11y agoHonest question: why would I get a 5X over a Moto X Play which is cheaper or Moto X Style which is only £20 more (in the UK at least) and has better specs?
- ihsw 11y agoYou shouldn't -- they intentionally gimped the 5X in order to make the 6P more appealing. And it's working, I wouldn't be surprised if first-day 6P purchases outnumber 5X first-day purchases by a magnitude.
- rjbwork 11y agoI'll tell my reason for going 6P: I loved my N5, but the lacking battery life was annoying, and a total bricking after a full discharge (not eligible for another repair, since it was already fixed from being dropped in a puddle a few months earlier...) brought it's life to an end. I've been scraping by on a Nokia Lumia 530 for about 3-4 months now. Great little phone for 40 dollars, but I'm getting tired of the subpar GMail, HipChat, SubSonic, etc clients that come with having a Windows phone. I figure that as long as the 6P is as good as the original N5, with a better battery life, I should be satisfied for a good long while. I didn't go with the 5X because I am genuinely worried about the subpar battery life again.
- cabbeer 11y agoThe Snapdragon 615 in the XPLay is simply terrible.
- voltagex_ 11y ago$659AUD for the 5x, $899AUD for the 6P. Not bad considering the atrocious exchange rate, but it puts the 5X out of "I accidentally a new phone" territory.
- nradov 11y agoIt's really a shame that they still won't offer replaceable batteries. Some of us spend all day travelling around without access to a charger, and it's a lot easier to carry a little spare battery and swap it instead of plugging in a large bulky external power pack.
- darkstar999 11y agoI have a little "lipstick-sized" charger that gives the Nexus 5 (old one now) a full charge. It's less than $10, just search for "portable phone charger". Honestly I'd rather haul this thing around rather than a spare battery.
- apricot13 11y agoI think you're thinking of this: http://www.ianker.com/product/A1105011 http://www.ianker.com/product/A1105011 I get about 5 full charges on my phone from this - my phone is a moto e though so not exactly high capacity!
- darkstar999 11y agoYep, that's it.
- upbeatlinux 11y agoThe Nexus 5 was the best Android phone I've owned. I upgraded from a Nexus One which was an upgrade from the original G1. The only reason I'm upgrading to a 5x is because my Nexus 5 died and is no longer covered under LG's warranty. Coming from the Nexus One (Cyanogen) and loosing SD expansion was a bit unsettling at first but the automated camera backups were a huge win. Wireless charging was an added bonus from a usability perspective but non-essential. The best part though is Nexus Protect - to some this might seem unnecessary but for heavy users is a must. Almost a year to the day I purchased my Nexus 5 my battery died. Google replaced it for free. The SIM card slot on the replacement stopped working a few weeks ago and it would've been nice to be covered under a plan like Nexus Protect. For me Nexus Protect makes up for the lack of SD or wireless charging. My only hesitation pulling the purchase trigger is fingerprinting which IMO, whether encrypted or hashed locally, is simply an invasion of privacy.
- Scarbutt 11y agoDoes the Nexus phones have the "Active Display" feature of the Moto X? I love these feature, there are apps that try to mimic it but don't come close, the MotoX has specific hardware for this feature. http://www.motorola.com/us/Moto-X-Features-Active-Display/motox-features-3-active-display.html http://www.motorola.com/us/Moto-X-Features-Active-Display/mo...
- mtgx 11y agoCamera review for the Nexus 6P: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-Nexus-6P-review-Serious-contender-for-mobile-photography http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-Nexus-6P-review-Seriou...
- diakritikal 11y agoUK Pricing seems to be £339/£379 (5X) - £449/£499/£579 (6P) That's the same numerical point, but gouged for living in the UK. The cheapest phone to purchase in the UK is about $515 dollars. Yeah, no thanks Google.
- nicktelford 11y agoYou're forgetting sales tax. US prices are quoted excluding sales tax (as it varies state-to-state), whereas UK prices include VAT (currently 20%): Excluding VAT, the UK prices are a bit closer to what you'd expect. As an example: The 16GB Nexus 5x, excluding VAT: £282.50 US price, converted to GBP: £249.65 So while there's definitely an inflation to the price, it's not nearly as much as it seems. Well, not until you realise that sales tax in most (all?) states is dramatically lower than the 20% we have in the UK. But we only have our government to blame for that.
- tfinniga 11y agoThat's a good point. There's also another issue - profits made outside of the US can't be used in the US without paying a separate US repatriation tax, which can be as high as 35%.
- adnam 11y agoI have a Nexus 7 which was completely bricked by the "upgrade" to Android 5. I'm so furious I will never buy another Nexus device again. (I made the same promise about Nike shoes 20 years ago and so far haven't bought anything elseby that brand).
- shandddd 11y agoWhy is there a special Hong Kong version of the 5X? Specwise it's missing a couple bands the rest-of-world version supports.
- digitalzombie 11y agoOn Nexus 4, this is disappointing. Nexus 6 is too big. Finger print is not a big deal. They steal your finger print you can't exactly change it. I also get cuts from my fingers when I work out so bandaid and all that would suck badly if I need to verify via fingerprint. SD card is something I really want not the cloud. Not everybody got unlimited data or even good signal. There are tons of people that takes pictures, videos and selfies that would like to have a large memory (sd enable this). All they had to do was a good camera, good battery, fast charge and sd card. The screen could be amoled for bonus. I have to skip this phone now. Waiting to see black berry priv. Moto X pure is seems good but their parent company Lenovo got caught with spyware on mobile and laptop (thinkpad included). That's very sketchy.
- transfire 11y agoNot to worry, in a few more years they'll force you to put everything on the cloud. Who needs 32GB when 0GB will do?
- rl3 11y agoAs nice as the new fingerprint sensors are, they come with some nasty drawbacks[0]: Namely, your defense against legally compelled decryption is significantly weakened via use of a fingerprint sensor, since the phone's unlock mechanism is the same authentication system that the phone's encryption mechanism uses (it would be really nice to have some sort of separation there). The last drawback, I'll simply quote verbatim from the article: >What would happen if some government “asked” phone manufacturers to create a back door to store or send it fingerprint information, and to lie to the public with denials of the existence of such a program. Considering the news of the past few years such a scenario seems far from impossible. On that note, I wonder how compatible smartphone fingerprint data is with data you'd find in a fingerprint database. If not immediately compatible, would it still be possible to convert it to a standardized format? [0] http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephsteinberg/2015/03/05/wh-you-should-not-use-the-new-smartphone-fingerprint-readers/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephsteinberg/2015/03/05/wh-yo...
- vinay427 11y agoThe same is the case on my Nexus 6, for example. It's probably for convenience so that decrypting the device on boot also unlocks the lock screen, and also so that people don't have to remember two methods of authentication.
- redxdev 11y agoI'd argue that the fingerprint sensor has no effect on your second scenario, as manufacturers could make a backdoor to send the government your normal password too. The fingerprint sensor doesn't make that bit any easier.
- rl3 11y agoThe point was more the notion of fingerprint data itself being collected, and not necessarily for device access purposes.
- shirro 11y agoRidiculous. Suffer with 2GB ram and 32GB max storage or go with a phone that is too big to get 3GB ram and 64/128GB storage. Why even make a 16GB model. I prefer a device without vendor bloatware and with regular software updates but this round of Nexus is a fail.
- tuananh 11y agoHuawei seems rather sketchy. Or basically, anything from China. My phone recently died and i'm in market for a new phone. The 5X looks like a decent one.
- rifung 11y agoWhy's it sketchy? They seem to be highly reviewed; as far as I know a lot have been actually hoping they would finally enter the US market as they sell a lot of nice phones we don't get. It actually seems like they have better quality and use better materials than most of the non Chinese manufacturers
- tuananh 11y agoGoogle for "Huawei spying" returns quite a number of articles on this.
- pjc50 11y agoI had a Huawei Ascend P1 LTE for a while, and it was rubbish: flaky wifi and screen delaminating.
- GFischer 11y agoThat's a 2012 phone. I saw the Huawei G610 in 2013 and chose not to buy it at the time, due to very bad reviews concerning their software mainly, but also due to some hardware problems. I chose an LG G2 mini that had much more reliable hardware, but ironically their software was incredibly crappy (and some incredibly idiotic decisions like their volume keys on the back of the device). Huawei are making their phones a LOT better these days, I have an Ascend P7 that's been working extremely well.
- GFischer 11y agoI have a Huawei Ascend P7. It's miles better than my last phone (LG G2 mini). I find the build quality to be very good. I had it survive a very bad fall. The performance is decent, not as good as modern flagships, but an awesome price to performance ratio (I got it for 180 dollars, it goes for 250 unlocked these days). They did do a Volkswagen-style cheat on the FutureMark benchmark: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8403/examining-huaweis-benchmark-optimizations-in-the-ascend-p7 http://www.anandtech.com/show/8403/examining-huaweis-benchma... so yes, they might be on the "sketchy" camp. But I've found most of the premium stuff from China to be as good or better than equivalents from other countries, my girlfriend has a Lenovo phone and it's excellent too. Since I'm from Latin America, I don't have to cheerlead any American or Japanese or European phone brands (we have none), and I'm extremely price sensitive, so Chinese brands like Huawei or Lenovo are great news for us.
- rl3 11y agoThe Nexus 5X is built by LG. The 6P by Huawei. It's only been a few years since CBS/60 Minutes went on a veritable crusade[0][1] against Huawei, alleging security and espionage concerns. However, it's been confirmed since that the modus operandi of Western intelligence has been to simply to own everything in the telecommunications sector[2][3], so it's not a large leap of logic to imagine they probably have copies of every single IC schematic and piece of software that goes into a Huawei product anyways. By that logic, a sound conclusion might be that the 6P renders you no more or less vulnerable to Western intelligence, but perhaps far more vulnerable to Chinese intelligence? This might not be a concern for the average user, though it's something to consider for anyone high-profile or powerful. Of course, doing anything sensitive on your smartphone is generally not a good idea to begin with, but not everyone is tech savvy (or careful). Besides, if a phone is compromised, its owner can still be tracked and recorded against their will anyways. [0] http://www.cbsnews.com/news/huawei-probed-for-security-espionage-risk/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/huawei-probed-for-security-espio... [1] http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/update-on-huawei/ http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/update-on-huawei/ [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/22/nsa-huawei-china-telecoms-times-spiegel http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/22/nsa-huawei-chin... [3] http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/19/nsa-gchq-sim-card-billions-cellphones-hacking http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/19/nsa-gchq-sim-...
- cbsmith 11y agoThere is always the black phone...
- unsignedint 11y agoWas looking at 6P (and I was very close to press an order button), but it turns out both 5x and 6P won't cover T-mobile VoLTE / Band 12, at least at its launch, which is a bit disappointing. [1] At least it seems to be supporting Wi-Fi calling, but makes me curious about their time frame, if ever, VoLTE / Band 12 will be supported on these devices. [1]: http://www.tmonews.com/2015/09/nexus-5x-and-nexus-6p-dont-support-band-12-or-volte-but-google-said-to-be-working-on-it/ http://www.tmonews.com/2015/09/nexus-5x-and-nexus-6p-dont-su...
- conorwade 11y agoHopefully the camera and battery life have had major improvements. They were my major annoyances with the Nexus 5, everything else was great.
- djabatt 11y agoLooks good, but I am over Android. Moreover I feel like Google is never in it to win with their phone hardware. I am hippyish with my Apple iPhone but look forward to killer open option.
- simoncion 11y ago> Moreover I feel like Google is never in it to win with their phone hardware. 1) [Pedantry warning:] Google doesn't make phone hardware. ;) 2) The OLED Nexus S was a really nice phone back in the day. It's still pretty nice today. So, -in short- I don't agree with your heavy-on-managerial-platitudes sentiment.
- knappe 11y agoAs someone who purchased a Galaxy S4, I'll _never_ purchase another Google phone. The entire reason I purchased a google phone was to avoid the lack of updates, like I had when I was at the whim of Motorola with my Droid2. I was stuck on 2.3 and never saw an upgrade in the time I owned the phone. I figured that Google would be a better actor and actual push updates, but boy was I in for a wild ride. When I saw that 5.0 had been pushed, I upgraded, thinking that Google had vetted the release. Instead what I had was wifi that never stayed connected and seg faults ALL over the place in virtually every app that I used on a regular basis, including apps developed by Google (hangouts, photos [which were trapped on the phone unless I wanted to connect external and download them], my SMS app, WeChat, Strava, Kindle ect). They broke my phone, no way around it. It was miserable and I stuck with it, because I paid for a premium device and wasn't about to go blow another $650 on another device. Three weeks ago I got the 5.1 upgrade, just shy of a year after it was released. I'm now a firm believer of the shit phone. https://medium.com/matter/shitphone-a-love-story-a44e66434807 https://medium.com/matter/shitphone-a-love-story-a44e6643480... Buyer beware.
- jordanthoms 11y agoThree interesting bits of hardware that are in both of these new phones - Nexus Imprint (the fingerprint sensor), the Android Sensor Hub (which appears to be a new chip, but no confirmation on what it is or who designed it), and a very nice camera module which seems to be performing nicely. I've long felt that a major disadvantage for the Android ecosystem is that the OEMs simply don't have the resources to compete with Apple when it comes to designing new hardware, and it leads to situations where the iPhone is years ahead for certain features. One solution for that is for Google to invest in these technologies and make them available to all the OEMs, a bit like Android but for hardware too. I wonder if that's what is happening here? Looking forward to a teardown.
- Tsagadai 11y agoUnfortunately, Google Ireland (yes, that is who sells it) has priced the Nexus 6P at $899 AUD. That's a 25% mark up for absolutely no reason (Google isn't paying sales tax in Australia because they are selling from Ireland and charging under $1000 AUD). What a joke, why can't we just all pay the same price?
- eru 11y ago25% mark up compared to what?
- modi123 11y agotest2
- riquito 11y agoIn Europe is going to cost 479€ (16GB), it won't be a success there.
- intopieces 11y agoAnd the reference to Google-Fi is buried at the bottom of the page. Seems like they'd want to promote this feature heavily. Makes me wary of their support.
- bilalq 11y agoThey do work with Fi: https://fi.google.com/about/ https://fi.google.com/about/
- intopieces 11y agoI suppose Google-Fi is still in it early, water-testing stages and they're trying to be careful not to imply that the new phones only work with Google-Fi. Still, I'm ever wary of adopting an innovation from Google. I don't change carriers often and I'd prefer not to adopt Google-Fi, only to have it be shelved a year later.
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- majordouchebag 11y agoGalaxy S6 Active all day