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monerozcash
10mo ago
I don't think I've stated anything that requires evidence, but please feel free to be more specific.
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monerozcash
10mo ago
Whether or not the US action here was "unilateral" depends entirely on how one views the electoral fraud claims.
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monerozcash
10mo ago
The only comparable large-scale extraction projects in the world would be the oil sands in Canada. This is a super small niche, with oil margins constantly getting squeezed around the world it'd probably be tricky to convince anyone
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10mo ago
Ah, but then who can? I think my assumption that the legitimacy of a government rests in the eye of the beholder is pretty reasonable.
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monerozcash
10mo ago
I haven't seen any reporting suggesting that they continued bombing after they grabbed Maduro
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10mo ago
This is especially silly because the US is always going to control oil extraction in Venezuela because nobody else has the technical capabilities required to do so profitably at a large scale. There's no need to really fight with the V
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monerozcash
10mo ago
There's not loads of idle refinery capability just waiting for more Venezuelan crude in the US.
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monerozcash
10mo ago
Yeah, literally nobody but the US could possibly profitably extract Venezuelan oil at any meaningful scale.
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monerozcash
10mo ago
Yeah, basically. The rest of the world, of course, gets to assess those claims on an individual basis.
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10mo ago
I think you're stretching a bit, I'm simply proposing they have a pretty good case here because much of the world openly agrees with the US claim that Maduro did not actually win the previous elections. >In this case the actual
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10mo ago
>Were they? And is that the justification the US has cited? If not, you're writing fan fiction and that's not really interesting. This is all necessarily speculative, we might never have sufficient visibility to know all the fa
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10mo ago
It's only unilateral if you reject the electoral fraud claims. >And if you think this intervention is about protecting democracy I have a bridge to sell you. No, I certainly don't think that. I'd suspect it's mostly a
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10mo ago
Depends on the point of view. I certainly agree that there are many very good reasons to see this as bad, but I don't think that concerns about Venezuela's national sovereignty rank very highly on that list. From the perspective t
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10mo ago
Yeah, probably not. I'd also imagine that the significant show of force by the US would have forced many in the military to assess their options, even if they might otherwise have supported Maduro.
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10mo ago
No, I don't think anyone seriously doubts whether or not Trump actually won the elections after which he was appointed president. The same however is not true of Maduro, where "Maduro did not actually get sufficient votes to win t
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10mo ago
I think it's not an unreasonable assumption to start from that the US government is working in collusion with the opposition it openly backs in Venezuela? It also feels silly to imagine that Venezuelan opposition was really hoping anyt
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10mo ago
I like how we went from "international law" to "noble goals", I suppose that's pretty on point :) > Also, shouldn't he then be doing this in many other places in the world? No, I don't see how that woul
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10mo ago
What if he was the leader of a brutal coup and the legitimately elected government requested foreign help to have him removed? It's really really difficult to paint this as inherently bad, it's hard to see how the conclusion here
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10mo ago
>It doesn't matter what Americans consider to be the representatives of the legitimate government. Really? I thought the US just arrested Maduro. To me, that seems like something that would matter. >Maduro was the legitimate gove
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10mo ago
Your question rests on the assumption that Maduro is the legitimate leader of Venezuela, that's a huge assumption.
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10mo ago
Sure, yeah, but you'll just give yourself a headache trying to keep track of all the ridiculous things this admin puts out. The reality is that there a lot of people across the political divide at very high levels of government who dee
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Why would it be invading the country if they were invited in by what they consider to be representatives of the legitimate government? I think to begin with you'll have to actually present the argument as to why Maduro should be consid
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10mo ago
> we just straight up kidnap a foreign head of state Head of state according to whom? >Is the goal now to just put Maduro through a televised sham trial as a new cover for the Trump admin? Would they really need a sham trial?
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10mo ago
Why would it be illegal? Or disgusting? Presumably US actions are backed by the people they consider to be legitimately elected representatives of Venezuelan government, and if so amount to little more than assistance in local law enforceme
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10mo ago
I'd suggest twz, they'll have much better informed takes than wikipedia https://www.twz.com/news-features/explosions-ring-out-across...
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U.S. Has Captured Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro
(twz.com)
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I certainly don't doubt the competence of the US army, but the fact that they spent only minutes on active SEAD bombing raids to enable this operation suggests that it wasn't just cool tech or super competent SOF operators that tr
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The obviously reply to that would be "The US forces were invited by the democratically elected Venezuelan leadership to put a stop to the ongoing coup" The concept of "international law" here is pretty confusing because
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I mean, do they really need to justify it any further? They just arrested Maduro while causing very little collateral damage, if they'd failed dramatically then they'd have much more questions to answer.
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Maduro arrested https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1158304287678... Considering the general incompetence of this administration, this level of success with such a surgical operation seems completely ou
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