gonvaled

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by gonvaled 10y ago
We are tired of your exceptionalism. You had a great (unfair for the rest) deal, and you were still complaining. We do not care one bit about the “concerns of the leave side“. Just go.
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by gonvaled 10y ago
It seems it matters. It seems that having a hugely conflicting refugee camp in your territory is something you are prepared to do for a close ally, but nothing you will risk for a comercial partner. The EU was more than a market for the UK.
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Exactly. That was a favour France was doing the UK as a sign of good will, internally risking huge amounts of political capital. It seems leaving the EU will reduce the amount of good will France is ready to spend for Britain. We are simply
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Why do you want a treaty with a failing institution?
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by gonvaled 10y ago
I dont understand your Greece reference, but the EU has zero interest in having a blocker in its rangs, and politicians are acting accordingly: “EU leaders call for UK to leave as soon as possible“ http://www.theguardian.com&#x2F
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Sure it will. Do you think it won't? Can you ellaborate?
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by gonvaled 10y ago
I feel with you my friend, but your (older?) countrymen have taken a very unpleasant decission, hoping that british exceptionalism will bring everybody ringing at your door. But we in the EU are getting a bit tired of hearing that you brits
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by gonvaled 10y ago
That is sad. Blaming the EU for what esentially is a global recession, a period of wealth redistribution fostered by globalization and technology, and massive demographic movements caused by multiple crisis around the world. Getting out of
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by gonvaled 10y ago
> In other words you do not want the EU to respect the terms of the treaty. What part of the treaty spells the exact details? None. You have the right to leave, but not to drag your feet while you clarify your internal petty politics, hu
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by gonvaled 10y ago
100% with you. If contagion can be avoided, the EU got today its indepence day.
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by gonvaled 10y ago
We will respect that treaty. But, as all treaties, there is room for interpretation, which requires good will. Good will towards the UK has run out, and EU should be looking at its interests and nothing more. During the negotiations process
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by gonvaled 10y ago
You are right but: > “We will not continue to guard the border for Britain if Britain is no longer in the European Union.” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/03/calais-borde...
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Zimbabwe also wants good deals. And Burkina Fasso. It does not mean they get them. There are around 200 countries on Earth. Sorry, 200 countries and the UK, which is special, by natural right. So let's say that those 201 countries have
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by gonvaled 10y ago
> The UK gets to decide when they trigger the process but the 'official' process can't start until the UK triggers it. If the UK spends the next 15 years making trouble in the EU, blocking a Brexit agreement, not taking de
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by gonvaled 10y ago
You can try, but I do not think it is in the interest of the EU to let this drag for years, so we should force the UK to get out asap. Your interests and the EU's interests are now very loosely alligned, and in this particular matter p
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by gonvaled 10y ago
You are not suggesting that the UK leaving the EU will be done on UK terms only, do you? Like "we get that funding chunk and then we leave" or "we attend that EU parliament session and then we leave" or "we don&#x27
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Correcting myself, partially: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_U... Greenland and Algeria left the EEC (EU precursor)
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by gonvaled 10y ago
If the UK starts muddling through, the EU should firmly act and suspend UK membership: we can not allow uncertainty, and a future ex-member abusing the good will of the rest of the EU. Cameron promised to trigger article 50 immediately: if
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Interesting angle. Ireland? EDIT I think that even without the UK (and Ireland), the EU would still use English as official language. For better or worse, English is a useful method of communication, even between lets say Spanish and Polish
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by gonvaled 10y ago
That's just how referendums work: better to have 48% of unhappy people than 52% of unhappy people. You will never have 100% agreement anyway.
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by gonvaled 10y ago
There is absolutely no way that the British parliament is not going to ratify this. The bigger question is how this can be implemented. This is unexplored territory, for all involved parties.
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Sorry to hear that: UK has been bitching about the EU for a long time, so I hoped that getting out would just be something to be extremely excited about. But my other point stands: I think this will definitely be good for the EU, if contagi
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by gonvaled 10y ago
> Well, there's a four-hundred-year-old "special relationship" between the two that Obama unilaterally has decided doesn't mean anything. You'll keep your special relationship. You'll simply not get a new
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by gonvaled 10y ago
It would achieve nothing: what would happen if the UK stays in the EU while the British have voted to leave? EU criticism and discontent would become so loud it would be impossible to lead a normal life. Everything would be blamed on the E
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Which is exactly the same agreement they have now - except the refugees and asylum seekers, which have recently been regulated, but not implemented yet in most EU countries. The great majority of foreigners in the UK are coming from non-EU
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by gonvaled 10y ago
There has never been a drop out in the EU as of yet (not even the UK)
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by gonvaled 10y ago
> Obama threatened the UK of no trade deal They don't have one, and they assumed they would get one. Why? Obama just clarified: you do not have it, and will not get it. Why does the UK think they deserve a trade deal? Just because?
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by gonvaled 10y ago
The EU needs to move carefully now: it must not punish, or slap, or threaten. Just accept the result, making clear the benefits of EU membership to the rest of the members, including suspending the benefits that the UK had. Calmly, but clea
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Scotland coming back to the EU would be great, but not easy, since lots of EU countries would be willing to prevent it in order to make an example for their own separatist regions (Catalonia / Basque Country in Spain, for example)
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by gonvaled 10y ago
Not so sure on this one: one thing that the UK is an example of is its respect for democracy. I hope the parliament accepts this non-binding vote, and take the necessary steps to swiftly break with the EU. We in the EU can then proceed unhi

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