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John Nash Has Died

1282 points by rcina 11y ago

piyushpr134 11y ago
Thats just sad :(
fennecfoxen 11y ago
sigh I suppose it's a sign of the times that there are already Uber-vs-Taxi rants in the source article's comments (while there are some valid points there, it's rather tasteless.)
- protomyth 11y ago
  Sadly, a lot of people subscribe to the mantra "never let a crisis go to waste". I miss the quite contemplation of the dead and then a thoughtful analysis of if we have a problem and what we can do to solve it. I guess that's long gone or only alive in niche areas. rest in peace troubled brilliance
  - tomjen3 11y ago
    As much as I hate to argue against thoughtful analysis, sometimes never letting a good crisis go to waste can radically improve chances that others don't die - and at that point I can live with not giving sufficient respect to the death.
    - protomyth 11y ago
      I guess I've only seen half-baked solutions come out of crisis thinking. Also, there seems to be a tendency for some parties to put their little "pet project" into effect after a crisis. Since I just traveled, I would suggest the TSA as one of the prime examples of the way the road leads. [edit: oh come on downvoters, tomjen3 is stating an opinion held by many and it kills any hope of discussion when someone gets downvoted into oblivion]
    - tacon 11y ago
      And often a good crisis shifts more power into elite hands: http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
- Apocryphon 11y ago
  It's ridiculous to even think about ridesharing in this context. Better to focus on advancing self-driving vehicles, so that we may one day live in a world without the possibility of car accidents. Such an unnecessary source of injury and death.
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po 11y ago
Such a tragic loss. Like many people, I never wore a seatbelt while riding in a taxi. I'm not really sure why, it just seemed somehow to be the social norm and I went along with it. Then one day, my co-worker and his girlfriend were both severely injured while in an accident crossing the east river in manhattan. Ever since then, I've gotten in the habit of using my seatbelt while in a taxi, car, bus, or whatever. Sometimes I get weird looks from it. Sometimes I find that the seatbelt is buried in the seat because seemingly nobody has used it for months. I do the same thing here in Tokyo and I believe its still rare for passengers to care but at least the cars are cleaner and the belts are better maintained. It's a bit odd that we (New Yorkers in this case) allow the TLC to push back on those regulations and win.
- msutherl 11y ago
  I'm going to start buckling up in cabs now. Same as wearing earplugs at clubs, you might get weird looks, but it's better to be uncool than dead (or living with tinnitus).
  - po 11y ago
    Does it surprise you at all that I also carried around a set of earplugs on my keychain all through my college years? I highly recommend these as they don't change the audio spectrum very much compared to the foam kind: http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection/er20.html http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection/er20.htm... I think I just really like low-impact high-reward behaviors. People tend to over-insure for common and minor issues and under-insure fore rare but costly ones.
    - uxp100 11y ago
      Here's a tip for those who may read this and pick up a pair of these. It may sound obvious, but do take some time to adjust the depth of the plug based on what sounds good. I spent a year using them, but taking them out for a favorite song, or only for bands I didn't like much, because they rolled off the highs too much. Then, (at an underwhelming Wolves In The Throne Room show) I backed them out of my ear just a little. It was a touch louder, and I got the highs I wanted.
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tobiasu 11y ago
Rest in peace
cletus 11y ago
The culture around seatbelts in the US confounds me. As an Australian I've spent my entire life wearing seatbelts. It's second nature. I don't even think about it. Taxis or otherwise. In fact I think it's required in all cases. But in the US people seem to view the choice to turn a mild car accident into a severe or even fatal one as some kind of moral stance or personal freedom. Or rather any effort to require their use as Big Government or the Nanny State. Some states still don't require rear passengers to wear seatbelts. [1] Personally I wear a seatbelt in cabs and don't think twice about it. I'd feel uncomfortable without one. Anyway, sad news. [1] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_...
- munin 11y ago
  we might die in car accidents but at least we don't have an anti porn great firewall...
- kiba 11y ago
  As an American, I wear seatbelts automatically. I don't know anyone who don't.
  - efdee 11y ago
    As a person with half a brain, so do I.
- vinay427 11y ago
  The state I live in apparently has one of the highest seat belt usage rates (despite no rear seat belt enforcement for those 16+), which would explain why I almost never see people avoiding them. Sorting by usage in the Wikipedia table, I don't see much of a correlation between policy and the actual use except with primary vs. secondary enforcement, which would imply it's more cultural than not. That said, I agree that it's very disappointing that people don't understand the importance of wearing a seat belt when the cases are all around us showing that in almost every situation they are beneficial. "Self-reported seatbelt use among adults in the United States increased steadily between 2002 and 2010, with the national prevalence reaching 87% in 2010. However, seatbelt use in states with secondary laws continues to lag behind that of states with primary laws. This lost opportunity has tremendous costs. NHTSA estimated that nearly 450 additional lives would have been saved, 12,000 nonfatal injuries prevented, and $1.6 billion in societal costs saved in 2009 alone if all states had primary laws." http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022437512000977 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022437512... Random anecdote: I travel to India on a reasonably regular basis to visit family, and I'm inevitably the one person that insists on wearing a seat belt and gets called out on it. Before traffic laws were actually (sort of) enforced in the city I generally visit, front seat occupants never really wore them either in my experience. It boggles my mind that people would travel at 120 km/h on inconsistently paved roads with insane drivers on the road and no seat belt to hold them in place.
vinceguidry 11y ago
Lucky motherfuckers. I hope when I'm that old I can get a nice quick death too. And to top it off, they got to die together! That just takes the cake. None of that nasty grieving business, feeling like your life is over but you're still alive. Really, I can't think of a better way to go. Hats off to you, Mr. Nash.
- kristofferR 11y ago
  Your language is pretty inflamatory, but you do actually have a legitimate point. Would it really be better if they died a slow death due to disease (there's really no such thing as "dying of old age", despite the myth)? Yet, it's understandable why people get angry when people start philosophizing about death when someone dies.
  - vinceguidry 11y ago
    > (there's really no such thing as "dying of old age", despite the myth)? There is. I was talking to a buddy of mine, whose in his seventies, says that some people don't really have anything wrong with them, just that everything slowly stops working. Nothing to point to as wrong, just a slow decline. > Yet, it's understandable why people get angry when people start philosophizing about death when someone dies. My biggest problem with secular culture is that we've lost a certain perspective and ability to handle our own mortality. People just get utterly irrational when it comes to death. Life is beautiful, certainly, but death also has a dignified beauty to it too, and if you strip death of its dignity, then what you get is an abomination to life. So you see this culture where you lose control over your own dignity to satisfy other peoples' lack of emotional maturity. Really sad. A car wreck isn't at the top of my list of preferred ways to die, but it's far from the bottom. Way more dignified than a lot of the alternatives.
    - unclebucknasty 11y ago
      >biggest problem with secular culture is that we've lost a certain perspective and ability to handle our own mortality. Dylan Thomas might have disagreed.
mmrasheed 11y ago
A person who I knew nothing about became one of the inspiring figures in my life after I watched the movie, "A beautiful mind". I am neither a mathematician, nor an economist. So, I didn't get to dig his work deep. But, I often use his struggle with schizophrenia and his recovery as an example of unlimited potential of human mind.
- zemanel 11y ago
  it was a very good and surprising movie.
- gus_massa 11y ago
  Nice movie, but remember to read the diff with the real life: [spoiler alert] http://monkeymigraine.blogspot.com.ar/2007/12/beautiful-lie-truth-behind-beautiful.html http://monkeymigraine.blogspot.com.ar/2007/12/beautiful-lie-...
  - atmosx 11y ago
    Interesting article but I don't think the movie is bad. It's just romanticised. In my view it doesn't distort the real story in a meaningful way for the audience.
  - triangleman 11y ago
    I just watched the movie last night for the 2nd time, thinking that I was in for a completely fictionalized story, because I had uncritically accepted sensational blog titles like the one you linked to. Turns out, the movie is a rather good depiction of the struggles that Nash went through. He published a groundbreaking paper as a grad student, married Alicia, suffered from schizophrenia, and learned how to manage it, eventually going back to Princeton as a damaged but wiser man, and worthy of a Nobel prize in economics. All of these major points were covered in the movie. Nash himself found the movie to be close to reality, except that it may have suggested that he went back on newer antipsychotics--see the interview he gave to a Nobel reporter 10 years ago[1]. In fact, the movie was much more fair to his point of view than he admitted in the interview. Some details of his life were left out, but his reputation as the "Ghost of Fine Hall" was preserved. I see the film as a fair presentation of his life, especially compared to the Hollywood standard for "true stories"--see The Hurricane, American Gangster, JFK, etc. [1] http://www.nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=429 http://www.nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=429
kvcc01 11y ago
Seeing Prof. Nash enjoying his walks on campus is one of my fondest memories from grad school. This is very sad. I was curious to learn more about his work a while ago and had looked up his PhD thesis. Here's a link: http://www.princeton.edu/mudd/news/faq/topics/Non-Cooperative_Games_Nash.pdf http://www.princeton.edu/mudd/news/faq/topics/Non-Cooperativ.... What struck me was that it only had 2 references to prior work! That's how you know you're doing innovative research.
- theOnliest 11y ago
  And one of those was to his own earlier work!
- jedbrown 11y ago
  I'd say that lack of references is more often a sign of ignorance than innovation. I see that every day; transformative work like John Nash's thesis only come along once in a while.
  - sitkack 11y ago
    The way we publish research is broken. So much prior art goes unpublished because it is never accepted by a journal. Negative results, meh results, and flawed research all have value. Proper citation is often difficult but can be as important as the work itself, other wise the knowledge graph is fractured.
    - zootar 11y ago
      You're not in academia, are you? There're hundreds of obscure journals and conferences with very low standards. As long as you choose venues that are within your league, you can publish anything that remotely resembles research, and it will show up on Google Scholar. A new academic paper is published every 15 seconds, and most of them are "negative results, meh results, and flawed research".
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namecast 11y ago
Just under 64 years ago, Nash's Ph.D dissertation 'Non-Cooperative Games' was published in the Annals of Mathematics. The most legible copy I've found on the web is here: http://www.cs.upc.edu/~ia/nash51.pdf http://www.cs.upc.edu/~ia/nash51.pdf Requesciat in pace.
- anon012012 11y ago
  I didn't feel sad, but reading that paper I feel something which knows no name. It is between respect, appreciation for beauty, and the need to do some maths. It isn't griefful, but it is truthful, and surely M.Nash would have liked it truthful.
bane 11y ago
Absolutely tragic. Just a note, New Jersey, like most states in the U.S. requires the use of seat belts for drivers and passengers, even in a taxi and police will cite you and passengers for not wearing them. Drivers will get double cited if passengers are not wearing them.
plg 11y ago
I was once in a taxi in which the driver would snort cocaine when we stopped at a traffic light. Needless to say I got out and walked. Another time I was in a taxi and the driver fell asleep on the highway. We were in stop and go traffic and after a long "stop" the traffic started moving but we did not. I noticed the driver sort of slumped over in his seat. I yelled "hello?" and he startled awake. Couldn't just get out and walk, we were on a highway in the middle of winter in Montreal.
- k-mcgrady 11y ago
  Look, programmers who are also murderers [0][1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser [1] http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edward-metcalfe-computer-programmer-killed-5232843 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edward-metcalfe-compute...
- catshirt 11y ago
  ...and your point is....?
  - plg 11y ago
    Taxis can be very dangerous
saadmalik01 11y ago
Wow, this is shocking. My buddy and I rode past the accident. The cops kept signaling to us to keep driving. They posted this yesterday shortly after the crash, but at that point they did not have the bodies identified: http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2015/05/2_dead_in_nj_turnpike_crash_police_say.html#incart_river http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2015/05/2_dead_in_nj_t...
naturalethic 11y ago
I've never worn a seatbelt in a taxi, but I've always worn them in an Uber.
yesbabyyes 11y ago
Oh no. RIP John and Alicia Nash. Where's the black ribbon?
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axaxs 11y ago
I never understand why people don't wear seat belts, even in cabs. I think the thought is that it's the city, you probably won't be going fast. But humans are really bad at judging just how fast they are travelling. Imagine I asked you to absolutely sprint full speed into a tree while blindfolded. So no time to brace yourself or slow down. You'd probably refuse, thinking this will either hurt very badly or even permanently injure you in certain circumstances. And that is at 12-15mph for most of us. In a car you are going at least twice as fast at all times, and have all sorts of fun objects to break your motion, like steering wheels and dashboards.
- willis77 11y ago
  Cycling is great for giving an appreciation for what 20-30mph really feels like, without the car disconnect. Same as your sprinting example: go get a bike, find the steepest hill you know of, pedal as fast as you can down the hill (this is going to be 30-40 mph), then ask yourself if you'd like to hit a brick wall in that moment. Most people who are otherwise comfortable riding without seatbelts would be peeing pants and grabbing brakes long before 40mph.
  - Jach 11y ago
    These are both pretty terrible arguments, due to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_%28physics%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_%28physics%29 Cars have crumple zones for a reason. This is not to say seat belts aren't good, as they along with air bags contribute to impulse, but there's a huge difference between shooting an egg (or person) at a brick wall at 50 mph while naked, vs. encasing it in sufficient amounts of bubble wrap first. I'll gladly sprint into a tree, or ram a bike into a wall, at such speeds provide I or the tree/wall are sufficiently padded. (https://youtu.be/DEP8juRSBRo https://youtu.be/DEP8juRSBRo)
    - axaxs 11y ago
      Neither are terrible arguments. They are not exactly equivalent, obviously. A car does have crumple zones, meant to slow deceleration of the vehicle itself. It is assumed that passengers and objects are somehow attached to the car, such as by a belt device of some sort I imagine. The crumpling effect doesn't help you when you propel into the person in front of you, or as in many cases, through the windshield itself and into something that's not so crumply. You absolutely would not drive into a wall sans seatbelt at 30mph, even with a newer car. You'd be a fool to do so, as you will get injured and MAY not survive said injuries.
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todayiamme 11y ago
It is always strange when people who have had an outsized impact upon others die. Prof. Nash wasn't just someone who was killed in a traffic accident. He was someone who touched the lives of many, many people in surprising ways. His work itself has a large sphere of influence that will exist without him, but I'm talking about a more personal kind of influence. He was an example of living to who you could be regardless of what was broken inside of you or what was "missing." When I was a teenager, I had the good fortune of attending a lecture by Prof. Nash. Although I did not have the maturity to truly grasp what he was trying to explain - the event did influence my later life. I started reading up about him and his struggles with his schizophrenia, the work he wanted to do, the fears he had of never achieving it, and how despite everything he ended up manifesting his work anyway. This influenced my own struggle with teenage depression and made me realise that there was probably more I could contribute beyond the seemingly staunch limits of my own mind. That altered my life trajectory in a "tiny" but measurable way, so that I - a complete stranger - feel moved by the loss. I'm sure he stands for so much more to so many people and that's a testament to the power of a life well lived.
- elmar 11y ago
  "He was an example of living to who you could be regardless of what was broken inside of you or what was "missing."" This is a wonderful legacy and i just love the way you where able to describe it on one sentence, thanks.
  - verbin217 11y ago
    I think that sort of excellence is born from resignation to "brokenness". Many many people waste their potential trying to fix the things they think they're missing.
    - bbcbasic 11y ago
      Sounds interesting, can you expand on that?
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SpaceManNabs 11y ago
This feels really odd. I just saw John Nash a few days ago in the Fine Hall elevator. Hell, I used to see him all the time in Fine Hall. I will surely remember and miss him as I walk through campus next year and remember all the "sightings." What a loss.
rglovejoy 11y ago
Obligatory xkcd: http://xkcd.org/182/ http://xkcd.org/182/
- triangleman 11y ago
  OK this is probably the best evidence for the inaccuracy of A Beautiful Mind.
rayiner 11y ago
His wife Alicia was also killed in the accident.
nnutter 11y ago
The metro buses I ride in to St. Louis do not have seat belts, do not have soft seats, and are not high but they drive on the freeway at 65+ MPH. It's even legit just to stand which I've done when the bus is crowded. None of this has ever felt safe to me but I assumed someone had determined that it was. For instance, I had not known how effective school busses' high, padded seats were at protecting its passengers until reading this thread and had assumed similarly that they didn't seem safe but must be.
- tim333 11y ago
  Apparently (1998 figures) in the US about 41,000 people die in road accidents of which about four are motorcoach passengers. So in general anything to get people onto busses rather than cars would be a plus. http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Pages/Bus_Crashworthiness.aspx http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Pages/Bus_Crashworthiness.as...
mckoss 11y ago
Bob Simon of 60 Minutes also died this way in February. Wear your seatbelts in cabs and Ubers, people!
chx 11y ago
In Canada, wearing a seat belt is the law, plain and simple. http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/safe-driving-practices.shtml http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/safe-driving-practic... http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/osmv/road-safety/seatbelts.htm http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/osmv/road-safety/seatbelts.htm and so on I won't list all the provinces but you get the picture. You will be stopped and ticketed if you ride in a cab w/o a seatbelt.
martindale 11y ago
Black bar.
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haloboy777 11y ago
god bless noble soul... sigh i am numb :/
dluan 11y ago
John Nash's 1950 thesis: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ze91a751btm2lkr/PhD_Thesis_John_Nash.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ze91a751btm2lkr/PhD_Thesis_John_Na... I've stumbled on it a while ago, now is a fitting time to share it. Thanks John Nash for teaching me how to cut a cake, and many other things in life.
efm 11y ago
Terry Tao says they were returning from the Abel prize ceremony: https://plus.google.com/+TerenceTao27/posts/F6dLkQietJg https://plus.google.com/+TerenceTao27/posts/F6dLkQietJg
dsacco 11y ago
He was a beautiful human being, I wish he had been wearing a seatbelt. Maybe when we have self-driving cars men and women like John and Alicia won't have to be killed in "accidents" caused by people who don't understand how to drive without murdering others.
- GigabyteCoin 11y ago
  Just because you "understand how to drive" doesn't mean you are protected from being killed while driving.
allpratik 11y ago
RIP Professor! :( sad
allpratik 11y ago
RIP Professor! :( sad
rdl 11y ago
Self driving cars can't come soon enough. I'd be fine with 100x the current punishments for drunk driving if someone has the option of a self driving car and actually chooses not to use it.
armansu 11y ago
Remembering John Nash It was an afternoon of Monday, May 9 2011 (the so-called ‘Victory Day’ in post-Soviet Union countries - that’s how I remember). For the previous 2 weeks, I was busy working on my final project for the Information Retrieval course - Natural Language Processing project which aimed to teach Japanese grammar with example sentences. The Spring semester was about to end, and I was struggling with my New Jersey pollen allergies while having a lunch with a friend at the Frist Campus Center. We were sitting at the table right next to the tray return conveyors, so when I spotted a familiar figure returning his tray, I decided to approach him. That was indeed Prof. Nash. The topic for the conversation was not hard to find, as just a couple of days before on the Kazakh news sites, I saw that he was one of 6 Nobel Laureates who attended the annual Astana Economic Forum in my hometown. Apparently, he just got back from the forum past Friday. We talked about his meeting with the Prime Minister, the fact that the meeting with the President was cancelled on the last minute. He said it was his first time in Kazakhstan and his second time in the former Soviet Union country (he's been to Saint Petersburg a couple of times) and one thing that surprised him was the fact that all the signs in the Central Asian country were in Cyrillic (not Chinese). We chatted for about 5-10 minutes. I guess, that’s how you blow an opportunity to talk mathematics with the legendary mathematician. Next year in May 2012 he attended the Astana Economic Forum once again. It just so happened that he flew back on the same Lufthansa Astana -> Frankfurt flight with my family who were traveling to the US for my graduation. My mom told me how over the course of the flight a few times on his way back from the restroom he stopped by my younger brother Nurym and in complete silence watched him time his 4x4x4 Rubik’s cube solves. One year later in May 2013 while browsing the shelves of The Labyrinth Bookstore in downtown Princeton I stumbled upon the book “The Essential John Nash” which with plain and informal style attempts to explain the Nash’s diverse contributions to game theory as well as pure mathematics. It was so good that I finished one chapter right at the store and took the book home. The world lost a beautiful mind. Rest in peace, Prof. Nash. The Phantom of Fine Hall.
shruubi 11y ago
Such sad news, it almost feels like it doesn't do the man justice to go like that. Even worse it was with his wife.
DigitalSea 11y ago
It was through the movie A Beautiful Mind that I came to know about the man that is John Nash. an inspiring talented guy who is will be sadly missed. I have been guilty of not wearing a seatbelt in a taxi a few times before, as many others seem to point out there is this socially accepted practice of not buckling up in a taxi and I have no idea why. If there is one thing we should take away from this highly tragic loss it is: seatbelts save lives.
cekanoni 11y ago
May he rest in pice now. :(
vvpan 11y ago
Can anybody sum up what his main achievements are?
davnicwil 11y ago
Very sad. The non-wearing of seatbelts in taxis is something I'm acutely aware of at the moment as I'm in Bogota, Colombia, where taxis very rarely have seatbelts in the back seats and driving conditions are erratic. In my experience, i.e. just the people I've met (mostly in their mid-20s), locals here don't care. In the rare cases seatbelts are available, they don't wear them, and they even laugh off my suggestions to do so. The taxi drivers generally do wear them in their front seat, but I've also noticed them going without. It's very strange and infuriating to me that not wearing a seatbelt in taxis seems to just be the culture here. I'm from the UK so wearing a seatbelt has always been a natural instinct. It's such a simple, low-cost action that can have such a high payoff in the event of a crash. It just seems obviously a better strategy to wear one than to not, but maybe that's based on my points system where fitting in with the traditional, 'done thing' weights much lower than trying to optimise my personal safety. I've noticed this in other Latin American countries too, in particular Brazil. In Brazil if I remember correctly the taxis did actually have seatbelts fairly often, but locals (again, just people I met in their 20s) don't wear them. Indeed, when I suggested a friend buckle up in a taxi doing 80 km/h on a city road, I was told something like "that's not the Brazilian way". I was absolutely dumbfounded! Back in Bogota, one interesting side point is that Uber cars generally do have seatbelts, and are in much better condition than the typical street minicabs. As a result, when I can order an Uber, I do. I think it's a very interesting thing that's happening there - the Uber cars aren't just disrupting on price, but on standards too. The latter is far easier than the former here, I'm sure, and despite the non-seatbelt-wearing culture you'd imagine it has to appeal to enough people to give them a competitive edge, which may go some way to pushing up standards all round.
foolinaround 11y ago
I initially came to hear about Nash through the movie, and Crowe did such a wonderful job! I never heard of game theory before, and it piqued my interest, and it is quite amazing how much watching a movie did to increase my knowledge!
backtoyoujim 11y ago
His boardgamegeek page: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/1630/john-nash https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/1630/john-nash
Mitchhhs 11y ago
At Princeton, John Nash sat at my lunch table in the campus center a few times. The first time it happened, I didn't know for sure it was John Nash, but there was something about him that just told me that it was. It happened many more times and I always felt a sense of awe to be in his presence. Another example of the fine line between brilliance and insanity and how they are interrelated. Not the way you would have expected John Nash to go. Rest in Peace and thank you for your contributions to the world.
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paulgeop 11y ago
This was no accident.
jc123 11y ago
Very nice short video Nash did for the Abel prize http://www.abelprisen.no/artikkel/vis.html?tid=63683 http://www.abelprisen.no/artikkel/vis.html?tid=63683
mmuelly 11y ago
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/376qv4/john_nash_taught_me_the_connection_between/ http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/376qv4/john_nash_taugh...

1282 points by rcina 11y ago

Thats just sad :(

sigh I suppose it's a sign of the times that there are already Uber-vs-Taxi rants in the source article's comments (while there are some valid points there, it's rather tasteless.)

protomyth 11y ago
Sadly, a lot of people subscribe to the mantra "never let a crisis go to waste". I miss the quite contemplation of the dead and then a thoughtful analysis of if we have a problem and what we can do to solve it. I guess that's long gone or only alive in niche areas. rest in peace troubled brilliance
- tomjen3 11y ago
  As much as I hate to argue against thoughtful analysis, sometimes never letting a good crisis go to waste can radically improve chances that others don't die - and at that point I can live with not giving sufficient respect to the death.
  - protomyth 11y ago
    I guess I've only seen half-baked solutions come out of crisis thinking. Also, there seems to be a tendency for some parties to put their little "pet project" into effect after a crisis. Since I just traveled, I would suggest the TSA as one of the prime examples of the way the road leads. [edit: oh come on downvoters, tomjen3 is stating an opinion held by many and it kills any hope of discussion when someone gets downvoted into oblivion]
  - tacon 11y ago
    And often a good crisis shifts more power into elite hands: http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
Apocryphon 11y ago
It's ridiculous to even think about ridesharing in this context. Better to focus on advancing self-driving vehicles, so that we may one day live in a world without the possibility of car accidents. Such an unnecessary source of injury and death.

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po 11y ago

Such a tragic loss. Like many people, I never wore a seatbelt while riding in a taxi. I'm not really sure why, it just seemed somehow to be the social norm and I went along with it. Then one day, my co-worker and his girlfriend were both severely injured while in an accident crossing the east river in manhattan. Ever since then, I've gotten in the habit of using my seatbelt while in a taxi, car, bus, or whatever. Sometimes I get weird looks from it. Sometimes I find that the seatbelt is buried in the seat because seemingly nobody has used it for months. I do the same thing here in Tokyo and I believe its still rare for passengers to care but at least the cars are cleaner and the belts are better maintained. It's a bit odd that we (New Yorkers in this case) allow the TLC to push back on those regulations and win.

msutherl 11y ago
I'm going to start buckling up in cabs now. Same as wearing earplugs at clubs, you might get weird looks, but it's better to be uncool than dead (or living with tinnitus).
- po 11y ago
  Does it surprise you at all that I also carried around a set of earplugs on my keychain all through my college years? I highly recommend these as they don't change the audio spectrum very much compared to the foam kind: http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection/er20.html http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection/er20.htm... I think I just really like low-impact high-reward behaviors. People tend to over-insure for common and minor issues and under-insure fore rare but costly ones.
  - uxp100 11y ago
    Here's a tip for those who may read this and pick up a pair of these. It may sound obvious, but do take some time to adjust the depth of the plug based on what sounds good. I spent a year using them, but taking them out for a favorite song, or only for bands I didn't like much, because they rolled off the highs too much. Then, (at an underwhelming Wolves In The Throne Room show) I backed them out of my ear just a little. It was a touch louder, and I got the highs I wanted.

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tobiasu 11y ago

Rest in peace

cletus 11y ago

The culture around seatbelts in the US confounds me. As an Australian I've spent my entire life wearing seatbelts. It's second nature. I don't even think about it. Taxis or otherwise. In fact I think it's required in all cases. But in the US people seem to view the choice to turn a mild car accident into a severe or even fatal one as some kind of moral stance or personal freedom. Or rather any effort to require their use as Big Government or the Nanny State. Some states still don't require rear passengers to wear seatbelts. [1] Personally I wear a seatbelt in cabs and don't think twice about it. I'd feel uncomfortable without one. Anyway, sad news. [1] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_...

munin 11y ago
we might die in car accidents but at least we don't have an anti porn great firewall...
kiba 11y ago
As an American, I wear seatbelts automatically. I don't know anyone who don't.
- efdee 11y ago
  As a person with half a brain, so do I.
vinay427 11y ago
The state I live in apparently has one of the highest seat belt usage rates (despite no rear seat belt enforcement for those 16+), which would explain why I almost never see people avoiding them. Sorting by usage in the Wikipedia table, I don't see much of a correlation between policy and the actual use except with primary vs. secondary enforcement, which would imply it's more cultural than not. That said, I agree that it's very disappointing that people don't understand the importance of wearing a seat belt when the cases are all around us showing that in almost every situation they are beneficial. "Self-reported seatbelt use among adults in the United States increased steadily between 2002 and 2010, with the national prevalence reaching 87% in 2010. However, seatbelt use in states with secondary laws continues to lag behind that of states with primary laws. This lost opportunity has tremendous costs. NHTSA estimated that nearly 450 additional lives would have been saved, 12,000 nonfatal injuries prevented, and $1.6 billion in societal costs saved in 2009 alone if all states had primary laws." http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022437512000977 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022437512... Random anecdote: I travel to India on a reasonably regular basis to visit family, and I'm inevitably the one person that insists on wearing a seat belt and gets called out on it. Before traffic laws were actually (sort of) enforced in the city I generally visit, front seat occupants never really wore them either in my experience. It boggles my mind that people would travel at 120 km/h on inconsistently paved roads with insane drivers on the road and no seat belt to hold them in place.

vinceguidry 11y ago

Lucky motherfuckers. I hope when I'm that old I can get a nice quick death too. And to top it off, they got to die together! That just takes the cake. None of that nasty grieving business, feeling like your life is over but you're still alive. Really, I can't think of a better way to go. Hats off to you, Mr. Nash.

kristofferR 11y ago
Your language is pretty inflamatory, but you do actually have a legitimate point. Would it really be better if they died a slow death due to disease (there's really no such thing as "dying of old age", despite the myth)? Yet, it's understandable why people get angry when people start philosophizing about death when someone dies.
- vinceguidry 11y ago
  > (there's really no such thing as "dying of old age", despite the myth)? There is. I was talking to a buddy of mine, whose in his seventies, says that some people don't really have anything wrong with them, just that everything slowly stops working. Nothing to point to as wrong, just a slow decline. > Yet, it's understandable why people get angry when people start philosophizing about death when someone dies. My biggest problem with secular culture is that we've lost a certain perspective and ability to handle our own mortality. People just get utterly irrational when it comes to death. Life is beautiful, certainly, but death also has a dignified beauty to it too, and if you strip death of its dignity, then what you get is an abomination to life. So you see this culture where you lose control over your own dignity to satisfy other peoples' lack of emotional maturity. Really sad. A car wreck isn't at the top of my list of preferred ways to die, but it's far from the bottom. Way more dignified than a lot of the alternatives.
  - unclebucknasty 11y ago
    >biggest problem with secular culture is that we've lost a certain perspective and ability to handle our own mortality. Dylan Thomas might have disagreed.

mmrasheed 11y ago

A person who I knew nothing about became one of the inspiring figures in my life after I watched the movie, "A beautiful mind". I am neither a mathematician, nor an economist. So, I didn't get to dig his work deep. But, I often use his struggle with schizophrenia and his recovery as an example of unlimited potential of human mind.

zemanel 11y ago
it was a very good and surprising movie.
gus_massa 11y ago
Nice movie, but remember to read the diff with the real life: [spoiler alert] http://monkeymigraine.blogspot.com.ar/2007/12/beautiful-lie-truth-behind-beautiful.html http://monkeymigraine.blogspot.com.ar/2007/12/beautiful-lie-...
- atmosx 11y ago
  Interesting article but I don't think the movie is bad. It's just romanticised. In my view it doesn't distort the real story in a meaningful way for the audience.
- triangleman 11y ago
  I just watched the movie last night for the 2nd time, thinking that I was in for a completely fictionalized story, because I had uncritically accepted sensational blog titles like the one you linked to. Turns out, the movie is a rather good depiction of the struggles that Nash went through. He published a groundbreaking paper as a grad student, married Alicia, suffered from schizophrenia, and learned how to manage it, eventually going back to Princeton as a damaged but wiser man, and worthy of a Nobel prize in economics. All of these major points were covered in the movie. Nash himself found the movie to be close to reality, except that it may have suggested that he went back on newer antipsychotics--see the interview he gave to a Nobel reporter 10 years ago[1]. In fact, the movie was much more fair to his point of view than he admitted in the interview. Some details of his life were left out, but his reputation as the "Ghost of Fine Hall" was preserved. I see the film as a fair presentation of his life, especially compared to the Hollywood standard for "true stories"--see The Hurricane, American Gangster, JFK, etc. [1] http://www.nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=429 http://www.nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=429

kvcc01 11y ago

Seeing Prof. Nash enjoying his walks on campus is one of my fondest memories from grad school. This is very sad. I was curious to learn more about his work a while ago and had looked up his PhD thesis. Here's a link: http://www.princeton.edu/mudd/news/faq/topics/Non-Cooperative_Games_Nash.pdf http://www.princeton.edu/mudd/news/faq/topics/Non-Cooperativ.... What struck me was that it only had 2 references to prior work! That's how you know you're doing innovative research.

theOnliest 11y ago
And one of those was to his own earlier work!
jedbrown 11y ago
I'd say that lack of references is more often a sign of ignorance than innovation. I see that every day; transformative work like John Nash's thesis only come along once in a while.
- sitkack 11y ago
  The way we publish research is broken. So much prior art goes unpublished because it is never accepted by a journal. Negative results, meh results, and flawed research all have value. Proper citation is often difficult but can be as important as the work itself, other wise the knowledge graph is fractured.
  - zootar 11y ago
    You're not in academia, are you? There're hundreds of obscure journals and conferences with very low standards. As long as you choose venues that are within your league, you can publish anything that remotely resembles research, and it will show up on Google Scholar. A new academic paper is published every 15 seconds, and most of them are "negative results, meh results, and flawed research".
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namecast 11y ago

Just under 64 years ago, Nash's Ph.D dissertation 'Non-Cooperative Games' was published in the Annals of Mathematics. The most legible copy I've found on the web is here: http://www.cs.upc.edu/~ia/nash51.pdf http://www.cs.upc.edu/~ia/nash51.pdf Requesciat in pace.

anon012012 11y ago
I didn't feel sad, but reading that paper I feel something which knows no name. It is between respect, appreciation for beauty, and the need to do some maths. It isn't griefful, but it is truthful, and surely M.Nash would have liked it truthful.

bane 11y ago

Absolutely tragic. Just a note, New Jersey, like most states in the U.S. requires the use of seat belts for drivers and passengers, even in a taxi and police will cite you and passengers for not wearing them. Drivers will get double cited if passengers are not wearing them.

plg 11y ago

I was once in a taxi in which the driver would snort cocaine when we stopped at a traffic light. Needless to say I got out and walked. Another time I was in a taxi and the driver fell asleep on the highway. We were in stop and go traffic and after a long "stop" the traffic started moving but we did not. I noticed the driver sort of slumped over in his seat. I yelled "hello?" and he startled awake. Couldn't just get out and walk, we were on a highway in the middle of winter in Montreal.

k-mcgrady 11y ago
Look, programmers who are also murderers [0][1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser [1] http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edward-metcalfe-computer-programmer-killed-5232843 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edward-metcalfe-compute...
catshirt 11y ago
...and your point is....?
- plg 11y ago
  Taxis can be very dangerous

saadmalik01 11y ago

Wow, this is shocking. My buddy and I rode past the accident. The cops kept signaling to us to keep driving. They posted this yesterday shortly after the crash, but at that point they did not have the bodies identified: http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2015/05/2_dead_in_nj_turnpike_crash_police_say.html#incart_river http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2015/05/2_dead_in_nj_t...

naturalethic 11y ago

I've never worn a seatbelt in a taxi, but I've always worn them in an Uber.

yesbabyyes 11y ago

Oh no. RIP John and Alicia Nash. Where's the black ribbon?

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axaxs 11y ago

I never understand why people don't wear seat belts, even in cabs. I think the thought is that it's the city, you probably won't be going fast. But humans are really bad at judging just how fast they are travelling. Imagine I asked you to absolutely sprint full speed into a tree while blindfolded. So no time to brace yourself or slow down. You'd probably refuse, thinking this will either hurt very badly or even permanently injure you in certain circumstances. And that is at 12-15mph for most of us. In a car you are going at least twice as fast at all times, and have all sorts of fun objects to break your motion, like steering wheels and dashboards.

willis77 11y ago
Cycling is great for giving an appreciation for what 20-30mph really feels like, without the car disconnect. Same as your sprinting example: go get a bike, find the steepest hill you know of, pedal as fast as you can down the hill (this is going to be 30-40 mph), then ask yourself if you'd like to hit a brick wall in that moment. Most people who are otherwise comfortable riding without seatbelts would be peeing pants and grabbing brakes long before 40mph.
- Jach 11y ago
  These are both pretty terrible arguments, due to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_%28physics%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_%28physics%29 Cars have crumple zones for a reason. This is not to say seat belts aren't good, as they along with air bags contribute to impulse, but there's a huge difference between shooting an egg (or person) at a brick wall at 50 mph while naked, vs. encasing it in sufficient amounts of bubble wrap first. I'll gladly sprint into a tree, or ram a bike into a wall, at such speeds provide I or the tree/wall are sufficiently padded. (https://youtu.be/DEP8juRSBRo https://youtu.be/DEP8juRSBRo)
  - axaxs 11y ago
    Neither are terrible arguments. They are not exactly equivalent, obviously. A car does have crumple zones, meant to slow deceleration of the vehicle itself. It is assumed that passengers and objects are somehow attached to the car, such as by a belt device of some sort I imagine. The crumpling effect doesn't help you when you propel into the person in front of you, or as in many cases, through the windshield itself and into something that's not so crumply. You absolutely would not drive into a wall sans seatbelt at 30mph, even with a newer car. You'd be a fool to do so, as you will get injured and MAY not survive said injuries.

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todayiamme 11y ago

It is always strange when people who have had an outsized impact upon others die. Prof. Nash wasn't just someone who was killed in a traffic accident. He was someone who touched the lives of many, many people in surprising ways. His work itself has a large sphere of influence that will exist without him, but I'm talking about a more personal kind of influence. He was an example of living to who you could be regardless of what was broken inside of you or what was "missing." When I was a teenager, I had the good fortune of attending a lecture by Prof. Nash. Although I did not have the maturity to truly grasp what he was trying to explain - the event did influence my later life. I started reading up about him and his struggles with his schizophrenia, the work he wanted to do, the fears he had of never achieving it, and how despite everything he ended up manifesting his work anyway. This influenced my own struggle with teenage depression and made me realise that there was probably more I could contribute beyond the seemingly staunch limits of my own mind. That altered my life trajectory in a "tiny" but measurable way, so that I - a complete stranger - feel moved by the loss. I'm sure he stands for so much more to so many people and that's a testament to the power of a life well lived.

elmar 11y ago
"He was an example of living to who you could be regardless of what was broken inside of you or what was "missing."" This is a wonderful legacy and i just love the way you where able to describe it on one sentence, thanks.
- verbin217 11y ago
  I think that sort of excellence is born from resignation to "brokenness". Many many people waste their potential trying to fix the things they think they're missing.
  - bbcbasic 11y ago
    Sounds interesting, can you expand on that?
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SpaceManNabs 11y ago

This feels really odd. I just saw John Nash a few days ago in the Fine Hall elevator. Hell, I used to see him all the time in Fine Hall. I will surely remember and miss him as I walk through campus next year and remember all the "sightings." What a loss.

rglovejoy 11y ago

Obligatory xkcd: http://xkcd.org/182/ http://xkcd.org/182/

triangleman 11y ago
OK this is probably the best evidence for the inaccuracy of A Beautiful Mind.

rayiner 11y ago

His wife Alicia was also killed in the accident.

nnutter 11y ago

The metro buses I ride in to St. Louis do not have seat belts, do not have soft seats, and are not high but they drive on the freeway at 65+ MPH. It's even legit just to stand which I've done when the bus is crowded. None of this has ever felt safe to me but I assumed someone had determined that it was. For instance, I had not known how effective school busses' high, padded seats were at protecting its passengers until reading this thread and had assumed similarly that they didn't seem safe but must be.

tim333 11y ago
Apparently (1998 figures) in the US about 41,000 people die in road accidents of which about four are motorcoach passengers. So in general anything to get people onto busses rather than cars would be a plus. http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Pages/Bus_Crashworthiness.aspx http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Pages/Bus_Crashworthiness.as...

mckoss 11y ago

Bob Simon of 60 Minutes also died this way in February. Wear your seatbelts in cabs and Ubers, people!

chx 11y ago

In Canada, wearing a seat belt is the law, plain and simple. http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/safe-driving-practices.shtml http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/safe-driving-practic... http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/osmv/road-safety/seatbelts.htm http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/osmv/road-safety/seatbelts.htm and so on I won't list all the provinces but you get the picture. You will be stopped and ticketed if you ride in a cab w/o a seatbelt.

martindale 11y ago

Black bar.

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haloboy777 11y ago

god bless noble soul... sigh i am numb :/

dluan 11y ago

John Nash's 1950 thesis: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ze91a751btm2lkr/PhD_Thesis_John_Nash.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ze91a751btm2lkr/PhD_Thesis_John_Na... I've stumbled on it a while ago, now is a fitting time to share it. Thanks John Nash for teaching me how to cut a cake, and many other things in life.

efm 11y ago

Terry Tao says they were returning from the Abel prize ceremony: https://plus.google.com/+TerenceTao27/posts/F6dLkQietJg https://plus.google.com/+TerenceTao27/posts/F6dLkQietJg

dsacco 11y ago

He was a beautiful human being, I wish he had been wearing a seatbelt. Maybe when we have self-driving cars men and women like John and Alicia won't have to be killed in "accidents" caused by people who don't understand how to drive without murdering others.

GigabyteCoin 11y ago
Just because you "understand how to drive" doesn't mean you are protected from being killed while driving.

allpratik 11y ago

RIP Professor! :( sad

allpratik 11y ago

RIP Professor! :( sad

rdl 11y ago

Self driving cars can't come soon enough. I'd be fine with 100x the current punishments for drunk driving if someone has the option of a self driving car and actually chooses not to use it.

armansu 11y ago

Remembering John Nash It was an afternoon of Monday, May 9 2011 (the so-called ‘Victory Day’ in post-Soviet Union countries - that’s how I remember). For the previous 2 weeks, I was busy working on my final project for the Information Retrieval course - Natural Language Processing project which aimed to teach Japanese grammar with example sentences. The Spring semester was about to end, and I was struggling with my New Jersey pollen allergies while having a lunch with a friend at the Frist Campus Center. We were sitting at the table right next to the tray return conveyors, so when I spotted a familiar figure returning his tray, I decided to approach him. That was indeed Prof. Nash. The topic for the conversation was not hard to find, as just a couple of days before on the Kazakh news sites, I saw that he was one of 6 Nobel Laureates who attended the annual Astana Economic Forum in my hometown. Apparently, he just got back from the forum past Friday. We talked about his meeting with the Prime Minister, the fact that the meeting with the President was cancelled on the last minute. He said it was his first time in Kazakhstan and his second time in the former Soviet Union country (he's been to Saint Petersburg a couple of times) and one thing that surprised him was the fact that all the signs in the Central Asian country were in Cyrillic (not Chinese). We chatted for about 5-10 minutes. I guess, that’s how you blow an opportunity to talk mathematics with the legendary mathematician. Next year in May 2012 he attended the Astana Economic Forum once again. It just so happened that he flew back on the same Lufthansa Astana -> Frankfurt flight with my family who were traveling to the US for my graduation. My mom told me how over the course of the flight a few times on his way back from the restroom he stopped by my younger brother Nurym and in complete silence watched him time his 4x4x4 Rubik’s cube solves. One year later in May 2013 while browsing the shelves of The Labyrinth Bookstore in downtown Princeton I stumbled upon the book “The Essential John Nash” which with plain and informal style attempts to explain the Nash’s diverse contributions to game theory as well as pure mathematics. It was so good that I finished one chapter right at the store and took the book home. The world lost a beautiful mind. Rest in peace, Prof. Nash. The Phantom of Fine Hall.

shruubi 11y ago

Such sad news, it almost feels like it doesn't do the man justice to go like that. Even worse it was with his wife.

DigitalSea 11y ago

It was through the movie A Beautiful Mind that I came to know about the man that is John Nash. an inspiring talented guy who is will be sadly missed. I have been guilty of not wearing a seatbelt in a taxi a few times before, as many others seem to point out there is this socially accepted practice of not buckling up in a taxi and I have no idea why. If there is one thing we should take away from this highly tragic loss it is: seatbelts save lives.

cekanoni 11y ago

May he rest in pice now. :(

vvpan 11y ago

Can anybody sum up what his main achievements are?

davnicwil 11y ago

Very sad. The non-wearing of seatbelts in taxis is something I'm acutely aware of at the moment as I'm in Bogota, Colombia, where taxis very rarely have seatbelts in the back seats and driving conditions are erratic. In my experience, i.e. just the people I've met (mostly in their mid-20s), locals here don't care. In the rare cases seatbelts are available, they don't wear them, and they even laugh off my suggestions to do so. The taxi drivers generally do wear them in their front seat, but I've also noticed them going without. It's very strange and infuriating to me that not wearing a seatbelt in taxis seems to just be the culture here. I'm from the UK so wearing a seatbelt has always been a natural instinct. It's such a simple, low-cost action that can have such a high payoff in the event of a crash. It just seems obviously a better strategy to wear one than to not, but maybe that's based on my points system where fitting in with the traditional, 'done thing' weights much lower than trying to optimise my personal safety. I've noticed this in other Latin American countries too, in particular Brazil. In Brazil if I remember correctly the taxis did actually have seatbelts fairly often, but locals (again, just people I met in their 20s) don't wear them. Indeed, when I suggested a friend buckle up in a taxi doing 80 km/h on a city road, I was told something like "that's not the Brazilian way". I was absolutely dumbfounded! Back in Bogota, one interesting side point is that Uber cars generally do have seatbelts, and are in much better condition than the typical street minicabs. As a result, when I can order an Uber, I do. I think it's a very interesting thing that's happening there - the Uber cars aren't just disrupting on price, but on standards too. The latter is far easier than the former here, I'm sure, and despite the non-seatbelt-wearing culture you'd imagine it has to appeal to enough people to give them a competitive edge, which may go some way to pushing up standards all round.

foolinaround 11y ago

I initially came to hear about Nash through the movie, and Crowe did such a wonderful job! I never heard of game theory before, and it piqued my interest, and it is quite amazing how much watching a movie did to increase my knowledge!

backtoyoujim 11y ago

His boardgamegeek page: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/1630/john-nash https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/1630/john-nash

Mitchhhs 11y ago

At Princeton, John Nash sat at my lunch table in the campus center a few times. The first time it happened, I didn't know for sure it was John Nash, but there was something about him that just told me that it was. It happened many more times and I always felt a sense of awe to be in his presence. Another example of the fine line between brilliance and insanity and how they are interrelated. Not the way you would have expected John Nash to go. Rest in Peace and thank you for your contributions to the world.

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paulgeop 11y ago

This was no accident.

jc123 11y ago

Very nice short video Nash did for the Abel prize http://www.abelprisen.no/artikkel/vis.html?tid=63683 http://www.abelprisen.no/artikkel/vis.html?tid=63683

mmuelly 11y ago

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/376qv4/john_nash_taught_me_the_connection_between/ http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/376qv4/john_nash_taugh...