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Did a Human or a Computer Write This?
- joe_the_user 12y agoWhat does "written by a computer" even mean? I mean, computer-written can be anything from filling in some blanks to rendering a formula by reverse-parsing. And suppose that an apparently fancy formula actually results in blank-filling-in most of the time? Lots of professional writers are described as following a formula. Lots of writers and non-writers construct text using word-processors and even an occasional search-and-replace. -- Oh, and add to that "The Eliza Effect"[1], in which it's pretty easy for humans to ascribe greater meaning to some kinds of computer generated text than it really has. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect
- serve_yay 12y agoIt means what it means, the sentences were not composed by a human. I used to work for a financial news website that started to make extensive use of this. Then management started using the phrase "talent cloud" an awful lot. Then my job started to suck, so I left. This is all about labor costs, of course.
- GhotiFish 12y agoThat might not be as clear a meaning as you think. For example, say we used an algorithm to generate 100 sentences from a markov chain generated off a book. If I show you the top 5 of that 100, is the computer composing the sentences? Or are we just hoping the computer lands on a configuration that we ourselves would write? It's not exactly "Computers emulating humans" when the result is a Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
- cowpig 12y agoI got 7/10, but I think I would do better on prose with 3-4 sentences rather than a single one. Poetry is probably a bit tougher though. I don't find computer-generated snippets that impressive--I mean, a lot of it is just pumping out variations or markov-generated mix-and-matches of things humans wrote in the first place. More impressive would be passing the Turing Test :D
- carbocation 12y agoI believe it's out of 8, so either you missed 3 and got 5/8 or you nailed it and got 7/8 :-) I, for one, was wholly duped by the computers, with a 50% success rate.
- mod 12y agoI got 6/8, but I had already heard of robots writing box-scores (more than one of the questions). I was duped by the old english poetry, and also the novel which was dictating a human experience. I imagined it too difficult to write that for any current type of writing programs. They need to get this technology into spam bots, pronto! http://xkcd.com/810/ http://xkcd.com/810/
- MetaCosm 12y agoThe box scores were really good. They are the two that got me, I guess the word complexity is low -- so templating can be high, but they felt to me very human-ish.
- TillE 12y agoA lot of templates and checking for noteworthy conditions. Seems pretty straightforward when you're interpreting a consistently structured set of data, just a lot of grunt work and polishing.
- marssaxman 12y agoI was not duped by the old english poetry, but only because I recently wrote a Markov-chain / rhyming dictionary based Shakesperean sonnet generator. It's amazing to see a computer generate plausible but meaningless words in a register we generally regard as profound due to age!
- electromagnetic 12y agoI got 7/8, one of the game scores got me. I'm a writer, so it's reassuring I'm able to tell the difference even in something so trivially short as game scores, and I don't follow a single sport.
- jerf 12y agoFor computer graphics, I have a standard that I use where instead of asking "Is this rendering technology 'realistic'?", as in, a binary question, I ask "At what resolution is this render indistinguishable from reality?" For instance, there's a lot of car photos and architecture renderings that use that use certain expensive rendering techniques that look great even at 720p, but you start getting into 1080p or above and it once again becomes clear it's a computer rendering. Other techniques may only be able to work up to 320x200 or something. Similarly, telling whether a computer has written something or not is very challenging at this snippet size because there's hardly any room for "voice" to shine through. I actually did pretty well, but to be honest I got more mileage out of a meta-heuristic ("how is the author trying to fool me? ah, this one seems really, really human so it must be computer... yup...") than actual analysis of the text. I mean, drop those computer-generated sports sentences into the middle of a human sports column and you're not going to pick them out specially... they're facts. They fit. However, an entire column written like can be pretty obvious. I get some financial news from some Google Alerts on a couple of companies and it's incredibly obvious that there are computer algorithms out there that can take the daily outcome for a stock, how the market did that day, and how the entire industry did that day, and spin that into several hundred words of completely and utterly useless speculation about "why" the stock did a certain thing. (Not that it hasn't become clear to me just how shallow a lot of the "free" analysis is, but, well, in no way does outsourcing the shallow analysis job to a computer make it any better...!) (One of them in particular that I've come to enjoy reading in an almost Dadaist sort of way really loves the phrase "The bears had a field day with..." as in, "The bears had a field day with $STOCK as it dropped 0.01% in light trading.") Increase the sample size and you'd probably get a better sense of whether or not it is fooling you. I was going to write "and you might do better", but that's not necessarily true... for instance, to be honest I've never been "into" poetry, I've even tried seriously a couple of times, just can't do it, and I'm pretty sure the poetry-writing program could fool me for quite a few stanzas before I eventually caught on because, to me, it's all the same. [1] I'd eventually guess more on meta-analysis like observing grammatical structures being repeated for what would not be a good reason. [1]: Have I caveated this sufficiently that nobody will feel compelled to reply and explain to me just how objectively awesome poetry is? I'd say my thing is more music, but to be honest, a surprising number of "human" composers already sound pretty computer-y to me....
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- dkarapetyan 12y agoI missed 3. Some of these are getting pretty good but they probably chose the best examples. I'm guessing with a bit more context it would have been much easier to disambiguate.
- nether 12y ago"Hi" did a human or computer write this?
- lcnmrn 12y ago100% human on Sublevel.net
- jimkri 12y agoThis actually gives me a idea for an independent study I need to do to finish my computer science minor. It is basically what the article is about, an algorithm that I could use to write my papers. It could be for major papers or for a cover letter or even a blog post that I have to write for a class. Does anyone have any thoughts on that? I have not done any research on the topic of algorithms writing articles other than reading this article and the other article that is on the front page as well.
- daniel134 12y agoGot 7/8 correct!
- ricardobeat 12y agoGot 10/10. I already knew about Quill so knew what to expect. The funny thing is that perfectly correct sentences are more likely to have been written by a computer than a human, it's a pretty good signal.
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- hyperion2010 12y agoI missed 3 because I have a low opinion of human punctuation. For sports and business or most things with numbers I assume that it is a computer because that is the kind of data that is reasonably easy to write domain specific sentence construction for. For poetry looking for whether there seems to be underlying meaning or intent that surfaces without excessive mental gymnastics also seems like a reasonable strat.
- yzh 12y ago6/8. Got 5 and 6 wrong. I wonder what kind of errors are more often: treating a computer-generated text to be the work of a human, or vice versa?
- Guillaume86 12y ago7/8. Number 5 got me, but also helped me get the last ones correctly. I would probably got more errors if the answers were all given at the end.
- pcurve 12y agoYes me too. 5 is when the quiz got harder.
- hammerandtongs 12y agoThere is a non-zero amount of reporting that would be improved by algorithmic and model driven story generation. Quite a bit of reporting has become thinly veiled rewrites of press releases, what could be improved by an algorithm that actually had background context and a consistent model for a type of story like a simple preview of a coming game? The amount of statistics in reporting that lacks any context for the numbers spewed out? Why couldn't a machine do a better job in enforcing context for the numbers? For example -- "there is a %50 murder increase in the first six months of this year" (common problem with human reporting) vs "there is %50 murder increase from 2 in the first six months of last year to 3 in the first six months of this year, this is down from 20 in the previous year" (an algorithm that automatically enforces context)? I realize this is a complex topic but wow the average ;) news story is soooo bad that...
- TheSpiceIsLife 12y ago"Also distorting our sense of danger is our moral psychology. No one has ever recruited activists to a cause by announcing that things are getting better, and bearers of good news are often advised to keep their mouths shut lest they lull people into complacency. Also, a large swath of our intellectual culture is loath to admit that there could be anything good about civilization, modernity, and Western society." Steven Pinker in 'The Better Angles of Our Nature - Why Violence Has Declined'. Pinker makes a convincing argument -with extensive references- that things are getting better. That's no to say that violence isn't still a problem, things have improved though. What is the collective toll of inducing FUD in our society? But then... if there's humans tweaking the algorithms machines will just say whatever we want them to.
- TeMPOraL 12y agoI'm pretty sure they're "soooo bad" on purpose. News sites can get away with blatant lies because no one holds them responsible, and they get the ad-dollars as people are attracted to controversy...
- dagw 12y agoYou're assuming incompetence where one might very well expect malice or at least interests at odds with the ones you'd prefer.
- weitzj 12y agoAh. 9/10. Failed nr. 3
- jafingi 12y agoBut, if the algorithm is written by a human, isn't it a human writing the text?
- tomek_zemla 12y agoIt's an interesting question that has already been playing out for a while in visual arts. Artists who create images by writing computer programs (computational/generative arts and design) are often looked down upon in comparison with traditional painters for example. Photographers were also accused of not being artists for many years until general public warmed up to photography and 'important' museums accepted them. Because... it was a machine that took pictures.
- adventured 12y agoThere are still far too many obvious tells here. "Apple’s holiday earnings for 2014 were record shattering." An algorithm isn't going to use the slightly unusual "holiday earnings" reference (it would have said X quarter or end of year perhaps), it's also not going to understand (yet) that they were record shattering without human direction. "Benner had a good game at the plate for Hamilton A’s-Forcini. Benner went 2-3, drove in one and scored one run. Benner singled in the third inning and doubled in the fifth inning." That's maybe the easiest out of all of them. Repeating Benner that way over and over again, is nothing like how a sports writer would write. Maybe another six to ten years of evolution, and it'll be nearly impossible to tell the difference. It's certainly a significant improvement over what you would have seen ten years ago in this sort of exercise.
- WhitneyLand 12y agoDisagree on both points. It would trivial to work out a list of contextual variations like "holiday earnings". The Benner repetition likewise seems not that difficult to polish up. Definitely less than 6 years.
- adventured 12y agoIt would be obviously trivial to do so. That's part of the point. That's how primitive the situation is presently. It will take six to ten years before these sorts of mass common mistakes or weaknesses are widely wiped out of AI systems.
- logicallee 12y agoBut I couldn't believe the poetry one. It's a complete, natural, well-crafted stanza! (And complete sentence - with a dependent clause.) When I in dreams behold thy fairest shade Whose shade in dreams doth wake the sleeping morn The daytime shadow of my love betray’d Lends hideous night to dreaming’s faded form While I wasn't following the imagery closely (I was just trying to parse if it's grammatical, etc), this is absolutely a par stanza. It's completely grammatical and refers to the same thing in several different ways, very nicely parallel (starting with "when I in dreams" and ending with "the daytime shadow...lends hideous night to dreaming's faded form." It has a slant rhyme between morn and form.) There was no way this was written algorithmically, I was thinking. This 100% passes the turing test for me. It even tells a nice story. There is nothing in here that isn't as nonsensical as what you'd try to interpret reading poetry on your own. Yes, trying to pay better attention you notice "Whose shade in dreams doth wake the sleeping morn" doesn't make that much sense (wake a sleeping morning?). But that is practically irrelevant, it's perfectly fine especially given that morn was needed for rhyme. This happens in poetry from time to time. The point is that it's completely grammatical, rhymes, and tells a story: When I in dreams behold thy fairest shade Whose shade in dreams doth wake the sleeping morn The daytime shadow of my love betray’d Lends hideous night to dreaming’s faded form I like it. Sleeping morn morphs into a daytime shadow and the faded form of dreaming, previously about somebody's fairest shade, morphs into a hideous night. The whole thing even depends on an EXCELLENT double meaning of shade - "fairest shade" obviously means best color (best version) whereas the sense then changes. So I would translate the sentence as: When I dream about you and see the best version of you, a version so real in my dreams that I wake up from it in the morning, then the shadow that comes over me when I remember how you betrayed my love (cheated on me) makes it seem as though it were night-time still, and the fast-fading beautiful dream becomes a hideous nightmare. Or more freely, "I wake up in the morning having dreamt about you so vividly, but remembering how you betrayed me it might as well be night again." The point is, I could not possibly understand how an algorithm wrote this. Again, not perfect but absolutely par for poetry, completely (100%) grammatical despite heavy rhyme constraints and scanning (iambic pentameter) perfectly, clearly tells a story, avoids repeating words but refers to the same concepts, etc. So I clicked through. Well, look here. That poem continues: http://www.psfk.com/2014/01/shakespeare-machine-learning-poetry-app.html http://www.psfk.com/2014/01/shakespeare-machine-learning-poe... The sentence continues (or a new one starts), and it is now complete gobbledegook. You cannot even parse the next line, it's complete nonsense, as are the lines after that. But we didn't have that quoted in the original article! The original article quoted four lines that made sense. And only did so because they made sense. So is it fair to say that a computer wrote it? Or did a computer spit out thousands of nonsensical sonnets, did someone pick the best one of them to publish, and did a New York Times author quote just the first four lines of that? Since this is what in fact happened, it is unfair to say that a computer wrote them. Of course a computer can pass the Turing test, if it has someone to select the best version of thousands of responses. Of course it can write verse "algorithmically" if someone is looking through thousands of pages of its algorithmic nonsense. I would say that given the process involved here, the article paints a highly misleading picture. I would go as far as saying that a human wrote the selection - certainly more entropy was put into the (manual selection) process, than the amount of entropy it would take to input the above stanza using a similar method to how it was generated. And that means that practically speaking, the manual selection process is simply a convoluted method of typing words into a computer. The computer didn't write that stanza. It just enumerated it, among tens of thousands of nonsensical enumerations. I feel that is a rather large distinction. After all, we wouldn't say a random number generator can write perfect French. (Although by definition it can, because if you excluded perfect French from its possible outputs - you would reduce the entropy and could no longer call it random.) I feel a bit duped by the article and feel it should give a wider sample. (For example the complete poem above.)
- GizaDog 12y agoHumans are computers so it does not matter.
- hurin 12y agoSome of these are clearly computer-generated in a way where the human has done most of the work. Take “In truth, I’d love to build some verse for you To churn such verse a billion times a day So type a new concept for me to chew I keep all waiting long, I hope you stay.” Now I'm going to bet a generator algorithm does not actually comprehend the meaning of any that - most likely the generator aspect was filling in some blanks, or picking out one random phrase structure out of pre-coded structures.
- TheSpiceIsLife 12y agoStandard set of questions: How else would a machine do it? What you describe is similar to how a human would do it, no? When we look at the brain we don't see awareness, similarly how do we know the machine isn't aware? Some poetry is so obscure it means nothing to me anyway.
- hurin 12y ago> How else would a machine do it? I think in this case the machine is fed human input directly, instructing it what to modify - it is not "discovering" a subject. So presumably it's output range is limited by the set of human input. As to how else? Well if I knew that presumably I'd have a job at Google. > What you describe is similar to how a human would do it, no? Not similar, but surely a human can replicate the mechanical process of taking some ordinary input and turning it into a rhymed stanza - my point was that the ordinary input is clearly not machine generated. > When we look at the brain we don't see awareness, similarly how do we know the machine isn't aware? Reflexivity isn't a bad metric - of course there's no proof a human that wrote a poem about a machine writing poems is aware - but most likely I can ask him a simple question about it. If I asked the machine in question, I would probably get my own question back in rhymed stanza form. Consider also: That profit was more than any company had ever earned in history. The obvious guess is that this is written by a human - since history is not a simple concept. Of course one could write an algorithm which is something like if max(current_event, reference_set) == current_event, write <current_event> for the first-time-in-history. But clearly this would have nothing really to do with the concept of history only with substituting a boolean evaluation with ordinary-language, precoded by a human.
- hcarvalhoalves 12y agoSurprised by the poetry.
- Udik 12y agoCompletely meaningless. "Written by a computer" doesn't really mean anything. What's important it's the breadth and variety of the content an algorithm can generate, its ability to choose the most relevant among its input data, and the amount of meaningless content that has to be discarded by a human supervisor before publishing. Take fragment 6: “Tuesday was a great day for W. Roberts, as the junior pitcher threw a perfect game to carry Virginia to a 2-0 victory over George Washington at Davenport Field.” Cool. And who told the computer it was a great day for him? Who told the computer he was playing? Who told it his game was "perfect"? This sentence can be written by a professional human journalist in about ten seconds, how long does it take to input in a computer the data that make up the story or to check among hundreds of possible variations for one that doesn't contain obvious mistakes? Or: “Kitty couldn’t fall asleep for a long time. Her nerves were strained as two tight strings, and even a glass of hot wine, that Vronsky made her drink, did not help her. Lying in bed she kept going over and over that monstrous scene at the meadow.” Ok, it's a novel, written by a computer. Now, everybody can write a software that produces one single novel: just store it as a single string in the program and print it out. The magic happens when the computer can write something that goes way beyond the data that was stored in it exactly for that purpose. So how many different novels can this program write? Does the result exceed considerably the effort of the programmers put in the program itself? Most probably not, otherwise we'd be talking of a general AI.
- bobbles 12y agoFragment 6 would be interesting if the same player happened to receive a career ending injury on the same day. Would it still talk about how great his day was based purely on the stats it received?
- TheSpiceIsLife 12y agoand the amount of meaningless content that has to be discarded by a human supervisor before publishing. If that actually happened the web would be a pretty barren place. Some of the most popular tech and science news websites publish short news articles that make you wonder about this sort of stuff. I suppose an algorithm, whether machine or human, is only as good as the operator.
- demarq 12y agoOnly got two wrong [bragging!], and both were sports commentary. but then again I'm not really a sports guy. Either way that was impressive... I could imagine in the future your phone/tablet scans your favourite websites and generates news stories for you to read, replacing traditional media. If you are into food you can have an entire newspaper generated about the goings on of food!
- tomasien 12y agoThe problem with this quiz, and so many like it, is a bunch of the passages were so badly written. A badly written passage could be a human or a computer, there's no real way to distinguish that. There are 3-4 in here that are well constructed, 1 by a human and a couple by computers. For each, to me, it was obvious which wrote it. The rest I was like "who knows, either a bad writer or a computer but it could be either".
- TheSpiceIsLife 12y agoThere are at least three comments here sayings "got x/10" Every time I load the page I get the same eight enumerated questions. Is there something going on here I'm not aware of?
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- eob 12y agoThe Shakespeare sonnet wasn't written by a computer. IIRC Nate just had a text editor with a type-ahead suggest box that was weighted by an n-gram lookup into your corpus of choice. It was up to the human to choose which word to use.
- vonnik 12y agoFormer reporter hear who has been in professional talks with a natural-language generation firm, dabbles in NLP, and has some insight into this process. A lot of what machines churn out is based on templates that humans have created. Many of the things we read that are supposedly written by machines required major human intervention, and the application of strict constraints on the machine so that it wouldn't screw up. Number stories about baseball and the stock market are good for machines to write about. Most qualitative things aren't, for the moment. Even Google's results generating captions from images last November actually included a lot of variance. The algorithm was good at recognizing some things and not others. To the commenters on this thread who criticize news organizations, I would simply ask: Do you consume your news for free? Do you believe that synthesizing complex events using multiple sources of data happens without cost? Do you believe that news organizations pay reporters much to write stories? Please reflect on your role in the news ecosystem. Most readers today are free riders, and unwilling to subsidize quality journalism. That's one reason why it's dying.
- TheSpiceIsLife 12y agoSlightly tangential: while everyone's banging on a lot recently about how 'quality journalism is dying', has anyone actually run the numbers - has anyone done a quantitative analysis? Was it really the case that 20 or 30 years ago, and early, all / most journalism was high quality, or was it mostly trash back then too? And do we really have proportionately less quality journalism now that we did 'back then'? If we take in to account all the amazing podcasts we have access to now (eg. 99% Invisible, Australia's ABC Radio National podcasts, etc.) and the NYT, the New Yorker, Saudi Aramco News, etc etc, I'd hazard a guess there's actually a lot more quality journalism kicking about now than there ever was at any time in human history. (Edited to add: at least in this particular human's short history) I'm just stumbling around in the dark here though. Someone should do a Steven Pinker on this aphorism.
- vonnik 12y agoI respect your contrarian tendency, and have only anecdotal evidence to offer. I spent about 10 years abroad as a foreign correspondent and editor for some major publications. During that time, I saw the foreign bureaux of most major US news organizations eviscerated. Staff was chopped, layoffs every year, offices consolidated, many newspapers simply gave up on covering foreign news with people on the ground. That was a really disappointing time. There's always been a lot of trash in journalism. And there's still a lot of high-quality stuff. But as the news changes, there's a structural problem is measuring how good it is. Only newsmakers (the people behind the closed doors negotiating and making decisions) know what's really going on. Only they possess the test set to measure the reporting against. And unless there's an investigative reporter who has built relationships with them and convinces them to talk, the public will never know what actually happened, or know what public figures are hiding. The substitute for great investigative reporting isn't necessarily bad journalism. It's usually silence. How do you measure that? How do you know that no one wrote a story about something that you weren't conscious of? You don't. You're simply unaware. And that makes the parasitic special interests undermining the general welfare of this country and every other incredibly happy. There's a reason why investigative reporting is the first to fall: It's incredibly costly in terms of time, money, effort and even social relationships. News organizations and publishers put their reputations and networks on the line every time they blow the lid off a huge story. Reporters work for months cultivating sources' trust and learning where to look for and understand obscure documents. This kind of reporting doesn't make sense now that ad dollars have moved to Google. It doesn't have a place at Buzzfeed or Upworthy, because it's a huge risk and doesn't necessarily drive traffic, even if it impacts policy and elections.
- tek-cyb-org 12y agoIt was all written by humans. computers just do what humans want them to do. period.
- getdavidhiggins 12y agoI brought up this scenario a few months ago with 'content engines', or 'content as a service'. Natural Language Generation (NLG) is no trivial matter. The ones who have mastered algorithmic writing are the new gods of our time. Can you imagine not having to pay the team of writers at NYT? Exactly ― you can't imagine: http://blog.higg.im/2014/03/14/percolate-content-marketing/ http://blog.higg.im/2014/03/14/percolate-content-marketing/
- backlava 12y agoprint "This sentence was written by a computer."
- Ih8SF 12y agoYou know what? This is what I think about most of the comments on Socialist Media sites like digg, reddit, and this place. Most of the comments are probably bots that push the "conversation" in the direction that absolutely fits the sites owners political agenda. This is what has actually destroyed this new internet bubble. You can shout me down as wrong all you want, but it won't change the undeniable fact that you are getting scrutinized harder and harder for your schemes of making IPOs out of shell companies who's big tech is some crappy app that can be copied in about 2 days of coding.
- 20edward 12y agoGood Article, Thanks. I can answer the question after read article.
- andrew8200m 12y agoGood Article, Thanks. I can answer the question after read article.
- Anfield 12y agoGood Article, Thanks. I can answer the question after read article.
- stretchwithme 12y agoAre computers actually writing things? Or filling in a template covering an event that produces data that is expected? I could write an app that fills out this template: "Wow, did you see that post on Hacker News? Got X number of views within Y minutes!" That's not writing. The guy who made the template wrote most of it. The rest is plug and play.
- joelrunyon 12y agoWould love this technology to auto-analyze politicians (or anyone's statement) and be able to automatically 'fact check' or reference them to keep them honest & improve news quality.
- ridiculous_fish 12y agoHere's a humorous failure mode of computer-authored articles. Zillow bought the real estate company Trulia. The website equities.com then shared its wisdom: Trulia Inc (TRLA) established a new 52-week low yesterday, and could be a company to watch at the open. After opening at $0.00, Trulia Inc dropped to $0.00 for a new 52-week low. The article goes on to speculate as to whether this is a buy or sell signal. It's since been deleted but I put the text up here: http://pastebin.com/ihgWNVJU http://pastebin.com/ihgWNVJU
- Tyguy7 12y agoI got 1 wrong. Those algorithms still need work.
- tdubhro1 12y agoLeaving aside the gimmicks in some of these examples, it is a fact that when you need to communicate quantitative information machine generated text is a great solution. Our company builds analytics and dashboards for fund managers and traders (the people who manage most pension funds). Infographics and charts only go so far; eventually, the user has to extract the key information, or communicate it with a colleague, which means verbalizing. [ShowHN:] We built our report generation system (in Haskell) that can create a custom report for every portfolio or market index, and can be tuned to the user's risk profile. We've released a public version that anyone can use for free that covers most global indices and sectors: https://apps.otastech.com/morningreport?listtype=marketindex&listid=11&apikey=5AA46437DEDE6DC9C7ABCD56DF5CB&search=true https://apps.otastech.com/morningreport?listtype=marketindex... In our experience, the turns of phrase that initially give the impression that the text has been written by a human quite quickly become irritating noise. Our users need to absorb information quickly and accurately, and comprehension is aided by adhering to a standard structure and avoiding figurative language.
- arithma 12y ago"6" Was this number written by a human or a computer? If you sift through a stream of mumbo jumbo written by a thousand chimps and selectively extract meaningful words, is it written by chimps or selected by humans. That is just to say, an algorithm can't be "judged" by single outputs, much less output selected by a human.