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Updated MacBook Pros
- KhalPanda 12y agoFor those wondering, they've upped the base specs and dropped the prices slightly. Nothing completely 'new', per se.
- benaiah 12y agoDoes anyone know what the previous prices were?
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- ezzaf 12y agoArchive.org does: https://web.archive.org/web/20140722172840/http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140722172840/http://www.apple.... The new base model has double the RAM and a .2ghz bump for the same price.
- andyfleming 12y agoYeah, a small bump, but still nice. It was already rumored that we wouldn't see a new gen of processors until next year.
- gutkowski 12y agoI hope they will release 12" Macbook Air this year.
- jdmitch 12y agosummary of changes from macrumors.com: The new notebooks feature faster versions of Intel's Haswell processors, as all 13-inch models now come with 8GB of RAM standard while all 15-inch models now feature 16GB of RAM. The high end 15-inch model also received a $100 price cut, going from $2599 to $2499. and this analysis: Today's minor refresh is primarily a stopgap measure until Apple can launch a more significant update to its Retina MacBook Pro line once Intel's next-generation Broadwell processors hit the market.
- asenna 12y agoFrom what I have read, the Broadwell processors will only be ready by Q1 2015 and not the holiday season 2014?
- jamespo 12y ago£200 more for 128 -> 256GB SSD on the 13" stings a bit
- kgorin 12y agoNow base 15" model has 16 gigs of RAM, that's actually pretty sweet improvement
- bfwi 12y agoFor those of you who choose Pros over Airs; why does a Pro serve you better than an Air? Is it because it's your only machine, and you need the hardware to be beefy?
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoRetina. Once you stop seeing pixels, it's painful to start seeing them again.
- shortnamed 12y ago*distinguishing
- rbanffy 12y agoI second that. My MBPr13, while natively having a screen equivalent to the 800x1280 of the old 13, is now configured to the 1050-line display once found on the 17 inch model and it still looks great. Once you can't see the pixels, the display becomes infinitely flexible.
- swah 12y agoÌ'm waiting for the retina iMac/display, because working without external mouse and keyboard never worked for me (and 15" is probably too small for the desktop)
- rbanffy 12y agoI have mine on a stand, plugged to a large screen, with an external trackpad and a Microsoft Natural keyboard. The next step is to upgrade the display to 4k.
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoPity, apple has the best trackpad. My wife is also waiting for the iMac UHD, though I'm tempted to buy a samsung 28" UHD myself.
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- pppaul 12y agobattery life isn't improved?
- rsynnott 12y agoThis is only a minor iteration; they've bumped the processors, but left them at the same TDP, and bumped the RAM. That's about it. Battery life changes will happen when Broadwell Macs show up, late this year or early next depending on how Intel's schedule works out.
- deusebio 12y agoLooks like you can get the 13" at close to the specs of the 15" now. Seriously considering downsizing on my next one.
- weiran 12y agoLack of quad core is the only serious issue I have with the 13" now. Hopefully Broadwell will let Apple put a quad core into the 13".
- SandB0x 12y agoAm I right in thinking you need to buy the top ($2500) model if you want to do any CUDA work? Or am I misreading the table and all the MBP models have both the Intel and nvidia GPUs?
- hav 12y agoNo, you are right. Only the higher end MBP comes with a separate discrete nvidia card.
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoFor CUDA HPC work, you really need a desktop/server Linux machine that you can use remotely from your laptop. Only the highest end MBP has a discrete nvidia GPU.
- mdda 12y agoYes to the more reasonable px/performance of a desktop/server Linux backend for HPC. OTOH, if you were doing OpenCL instead of CUDA, the i5 would happily run that as an OpenCL target (albeit more slowly), so that you could do compilation/test dev on any newish laptop.
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoThe intel integrated GPUs also support Opencl, though I'm not sure how useful that is.
- SandB0x 12y agoI agree that is the better setup, however I'm often on a train or other environment where I can't rely on a connection. In that situation a weak CUDA device is better than nothing.
- Udo 12y agoI'm seriously wondering what my upgrade path is supposed to be. I have an ancient 2011 15" MBP, which was also the last user-upgradeable Apple laptop ever, but I remain hesitant to buy a new model. There is just not enough storage in the new ones, or in models that come close to my old one (1TB+) it's prohibitively expensive. At some point soon, my old MBP will probably disintegrate or get stolen, and it has features I'm not going to get back. I'm used to having my music, my ebooks, my documents, my photos, and my code with me at all times. It's really convenient.
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- Udo 12y ago> Replacing the HDD in MBPs is really easy to do. So you do what you should do with most Apple products if you're technically competent. Buy the minimum spec for memory and storage and upgrade it aftermarket. Isn't the SSD soldered to the board now? Do the new models even have SATA connectors? Do normal drives even fit in that slim enclosure? I'm not even certain if the RAM is upgradeable anymore, are you sure about this?
- jongold 12y agoYou actually can upgrade the SSDs http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Air-Retina/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-2012-Drive-Internal-Flash http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Air-Retina/Apple-MacB...
- Udo 12y agoExcusive me if I'm daft about this, but aren't these 480GB max? How is that going to help with anything?
- andor 12y ago* The SSD is replaceable, but based on PCIe, not SATA. Replacements are available from Transcend ("Jetdrive") and others. "Normal drives" don't fit. * RAM is soldered to the board
- duiker101 12y agowow, I bought one less then a week ago for £2200 and now it costs £1999 and has more stuff... did I just gifted them £200 or if I complain I might at least get the new model? EDIT: thanks all, yes I remember asking the return policy is 14 days. I will do that.
- mrknmc 12y agoIf it's less than one week you could probably return it and get a refund or the new model.
- ewang1 12y agoNot sure what the return policy is where you're located. But in the US, I'd just return it within the 14 days and get the new model.
- hyperliner 12y agoI am sure it is still under warranty and you can bring it back to where you bought it and decide to get cash or beefier.
- collyw 12y agohttp://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple
- duiker101 12y agoWant to know even a funnier thing? I don't like Apple at all, the last product I bought was an iPhone 3G because I didn't like their business practice but I gave in to the mbp because it's a nice machine and I wanted to expand myself instead of keep developing only on Windows. Guess I was right when I decided to ditch Apple.
- coldtea 12y ago>Guess I was right when I decided to ditch Apple. You came to the conclusion that you "were right when you decided to ditch Apple" because they just put out newer, better models that the one you just bought? Sure makes sense...
- hyperliner 12y agoDoes anybody have an estimate for when Airs will get their next refresh?
- weiran 12y agoUnlikely to have a major upgrade until the Broadwell is out in mid-2015.
- waitingkuo 12y agoYou can reference mac buyersguide http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Air http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Air
- tkubacki 12y agoNice but my next laptop will be some Chromebook + ElementaryOS rooted - if all you use is terminal/sublime and browser - Mac is a waste of money.
- thejosh 12y agosublime runs on ARM?
- pgeorgi 12y agoThere are tons of x86 chromebooks
- jokoon 12y agowill you be able to make work some C++ IDE on it ?
- tkubacki 12y agodunno - I'm not working with C++. To be honest I work mainly on Linux desktop now, so maybe I'm overestimating Chromebooks perf (eg. seen Chromebook with i3-4005U)
- rbanffy 12y agoI understand the appeal of a more or less throwaway computer, but I have to add the Retina screen is outstanding, the OS is good enough and the machines are incredibly well built. My wife was in a car crash about two years ago and, while the car was totalled, her MBP survived with exactly one scratch.
- FireBeyond 12y agoThat's kind of a weird thing to support that - not that I disagree, I love the build of my MBP... but a) it takes very little to consider a car totaled, and b) as a firefighter/paramedic, the very large majority of the time, even the most serious of car accidents don't result in the vehicle being crushed to the point where a laptop sitting on a seat is destroyed.
- frik 12y agoWhy doesn't Apple ship MacBooks with optional anti-glare display anymore? Is a third party anti-glare matte screen protector useful? I would like to use the notebook outside too. Using the iPad outside on a sunny day strains the eyes.
- tim333 12y agoI think there was low demand for the anti-glare stuff. For what it's worth I've been using my macbook air (2013, 11 in) outside without much issue. I think as long as the screen image is sufficiently brighter than the reflected scenery it kind of looks ok.
- taude 12y agoI think a lot of professionals who like the anti-glare have it on their second screens, so it's not a deal breaker as much as it once was. Last time I got a new Mac, I didn't feel like waiting for the special anti-glare screen version to be shipped to my house. I now just make do with the glossy while traveling, and still have a nice matte screen to plug into.
- coldtea 12y ago>Why doesn't Apple ship MacBooks with optional anti-glare display anymore? Is a third party anti-glare matte screen protector useful? Because it was not of very high demand, plus it's awful for color accuracy and deep blacks, not to mention that it destroys a lot of the niceties of having a retina screen -- it's literary adding a diffusion material over your screen, that besides reducing glare also makes it more blurry. Plus, the solution to glare is quite easy: turn the display away from a light source. It being a portable computer, that's quite easy.
- frik 12y ago> turn the display away from a light source Working outside in nature (country side) or on a train/bus (next to a window), a glare display doesn't work well. I like to work outside under the shadow of trees and the wind constantly blows through the leaves and shake them around. A business notebook with mate display works fine in such conditions and the colors are good and not blurry at all (one can always attach a high quality monitor).
- jedanbik 12y agoI'll upgrade when I start seeing 32 GB RAM options.
- andyfleming 12y agoWhy do you need 32 GB RAM in a laptop? (not criticizing, just asking) I've found with the speed of these SSDs, memory swap is almost unnoticeable anyway.
- hippiefahrzeug 12y agoWhile I can't speak for someone else, I find myself in the same place: I have 16GB in my mid 2010 MacBook and it's not enough when you develop with Xcode (incrementally eats memory up to and over 1GB), have an IntelliJ (~1.5GB) up while having one or two ubuntu VMs running (each 4 GB). Add to that the fact that Chrome eats a terrible amount of memory and all these developer tools running at the same time (kaleidoscope, sourcetree, db browser, xemacs, sublimetext, etc) have their demands as well, and I find myself running out of memory all the time. Fast paging doesn't do the trick.
- jedanbik 12y agoI don't need it now, but I like it when my equipment lasts as long as possible. I've seen other manufacturers creating laptops with 32 GB RAM, so I know that it can be done. If I'm going to buy a state of the art computer, I want it to have state of the art specs, know what I'm saying? I think it's inevitable that 32 GB RAM on a MacBook will be a thing, so that's what I'm waiting for.
- ghshephard 12y agoNote for application performance (as opposed to Data Usage), OS X seems to scale a lot better than my Windows 7 system (more effective use of shared libraries? I have no clue). I've got a Dell Desktop with 16 GB of Ram - and, when I have roughly the same app load as my MacBook Air with 8 GB of Ram - the Windows 7 system starts running low on memory (Google Earth is a common culprit), whereas I never seem to have memory pressure with my MacBook Air for baseline application usage. Obviously, applications that need the data space (as opposed to executable), will greatly benefit (Oracle, Scientific Apps, Analytics, etc...) - but my 2010 MacBook Air continues to be a rock solid performer with an average of 20 Apps running. I will certainly benefit from the greatly increased SSD storage performance, but I'm not really that interested in a 16GB system anymore. I used to say I was going to hold out for a 16 GB MacBook air to upgrade, but, the reality is 8GB is sufficient for my reasonably power-user-intensive ways.
- jongold 12y agoThe best time to buy a Mac is when you need one; if you wait forever you'll never end up buying one. My work machine died less than a month ago; a little bit annoying that this happened but there's always going to be a better, faster, cheaper Mac in the future.
- supercoder 12y agoNo the best time to buy one is immediately after they release a refresh.
- Deinos 12y agoThat is assuming that being on the cutting edge matters to you. If you just need a machine spec'd to accomplish the tasks that you perform on a daily basis, you buy when your old machine can no longer get that job done (and the smart money might even be on an older model at a discount if it suits those needs).
- jsmeaton 12y agoPicked up a new one about 2 months ago just knowing in the back of my mind that something new would be released soon. Glad I didn't miss out on too much =)
- jon-wood 12y agoIf you bought it less than a month ago there's a pretty good chance that Apple will replace it free of charge (I even got a small refund in one case, when they dropped the price of MacBook Airs at the same time as a hardware refresh).
- blackaspen 12y agoSigh... I'd still like to see real graphics on the 13".
- chx 12y agoThis is the same; there's nothing new; the whole laptop market is dead. There's not a single machine I would buy -- the combination of decent keyboard, screen and user replaceable components is nonexistent now. ThinkPads had good keyboards and replaceable components and (unless you want to go back to T60 times) shitty screens. Now they have shitty keyboard, many don't have replaceable components but the screen is good. The Apple trajectory is not better.
- teekert 12y agoCompared to my 2011 MBP I Like the Retina, 16GB is nice as a standard but I have that now (and honestly I don't foresee needing more soon). But man would I trade that 256GB SSD for a 2 or 4 TB HDD in a heartbeat.
- mrvagabond 12y agoJust add an external HDD if you need the storage. Booting and running your OS off an SSD is a major speed improvement over HDD.
- jontro 12y agoWhat is the difference of the high end models compared to the release last fall? Only thing I can see is a faster cpu, is there anything else?
- skrause 12y agoSlightly faster CPUs, more RAM for some models and somewhat lower prices. The real update has to wait because Intel's Broadwell CPUs are delayed until 2015, so they're releasing a minor spec dump today to keep customers happy.
- jokoon 12y agoif only they could serve warfare tested windows drivers. I can't believe when people tell me my macbook pro 2009 with 2GB of ram is a "little too cheap" for mavericks or xcode 5. I can't even install windows on it because the superdrive is busted. I managed to install ubuntu, but there's ALWAYS a wifi/touchpad/heating issue. Not to mention the hardship getting some C++ project working on xcode. (like ogre for instance). Making games on it seems to be a pain since you need to find a way to move around the displaylink. I won't try to get a mac again. If a computer cannot be nice enough to build C++ projects with, I won't use it. You all are working on web based apps, but I'm clearly not a customer of this. preference: 1. windows laptop 2. linux laptop 3. mac laptop It's a shame because the hardware is great, but since apple force feeds you with itunes and doesn't really want you using windows, I'll pass. Their hardware is dedicated to their OSX thingy, and I don't want it.
- andyfleming 12y agoYeah, it doesn't seem like Apple really focuses on any development outside of their platforms (iOS, OS X). It has naturally become a popular choice for web design and development because of the strong graphic design user base. Over time, the community has built a lot of great tools for web dev on the mac, though. "Their hardware [being] dedicated to their OSX thingy" is actually a great thing for every day use. Their software (OS as well as other pieces) can be testing against very specific hardware and think that is a big part of why it is pretty reliable. That and being unix-based is a big win over windows IMO.
- WorldWideWayne 12y agoI tried to use OS X as my main OS, but I just couldn't get past what I considered "illogical" and "inconsistent" keyboard acceleration, keyboard navigation and user interactions. For instance, in Windows and Gnome I can hunt through menus with the keyboard by simply press ALT and then the underlined letter of a menu (then use the arrow keys to look around and press ENTER or SPACE to pick one). This is consistent throughout those environments but on OS X you can't navigate like that, you have to memorize 2,000 hot-key combinations. Microsoft kind of ruined that nice feature with the "Ribbon" but the new keyboard navigation system for the ribbon is still more logical and consistent than what I've seen with OS X. That's why I like to just put my Unix dev environment in a VM on Windows. I get the best desktop experience (for me) and when I need it, I have Unix.
- philliphaydon 12y agoI currently have a 2012 MBP/r, but considering getting the Asus NX500. After 2 years of seriously using a mac... I still can't stand it. I feel much more productive in Mint or Windows. /opinion
- defective 12y agoThanks for mentioning the NX500 -- I have the 2012 as well, and I have been looking for months for something that could be a better Windows laptop than the rMBP -- I've come up with nothing. I like OSX when I'm a user, but not for working. The NX500 looks like it might be the one -- but I'm probably filling in the information gaps with hopes and dreams.
- sellmyair 12y agoI just got a Mac Book Air for similar price two days ago. Should I refund it and get these? Will apple refund it? When will these start shipping?
- rbanffy 12y agoYou can return it and get a new model.
- mattcornell 12y agoIn the "mine is older than yours" category, I still program on a mid-2007 15" MBP! I recently upgraded it to 6GB RAM (I don't know why I waited so long), but I now have those vertical lines on the display that are from the internal connector (or something similar). Drat! Now I feel dumb for upgrading the RAM. The machine isn't bad, but replacing the screen is a no-go given that I could buy one on ebay for the price of a replacement screen. And I agree re: new ones' not being upgradable. I'd rather have a relatively bulkier form factor that's hackable, but Apple disagrees. Also, $2K is a lot for me.
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- XorNot 12y agoI'm not seeing the 4K screen option there...
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- XorNot 12y agoNo I meant the linked page you gave had just the one model. But clicking around I see it now. The main issue for me is what I really want is "longer then 2 hours battery life" for "upto 5 hours" doesn't inspire confidence. To some extent its why I don't want to upgrade just for that either - battery technology hasn't fundamentally improved enough, so really it's all clever power saving tricks. Give me an ultabook padded out to an inch thickness with a solid sheet of NiMH batteries that can be charged to a couple hours of runtime in a few minutes.
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- underlines 12y agoI needed to buy a MacBook Pro 2013 13" retina for live music performances. The 1000$ soundcard has optimized OSX core audio drivers and Win7 drivers. Danger: Cynical, heavy stereotyping and biasing comment following... I can work with OSX, nix and Win boxes, no problem, but OSX' interface isn't optimized for simple tasks like cutting and pasting various folders form one to another, where some of them will be overwritten, as there is no merge option and no CTRL+X short cut. Are they nuts? Yeah, I can write a shell script to do it, or I can install XtraFinder and also have Folders on top of Files in lists. But wtf? Is that system designed for idiots and grandmothers? Oh yeah and I love to pay a shtload of money for kinda outdated hardware components... Still some things are cool on OSX. It's snappy, fast and it has a decent shell. The retina display is even usable, when installing the 5$ pupil.io to natively switch resolutions for non-idiots (Actually seeing the resolution as xxx X xxx value instead of Small, Middle, Large) Enough OS bashing for today. PS.: Windows sux and *nix as well.
- underlines 12y agoAnd I love the fact that the "upgrade path" of Mac users is kind of "buy it, use it until the next gen comes, throw it away". Thats super cool and totally fits into the common starbucks customer, wearing neon colored running shoes while listening music on beats head phones.
- vten 12y agoIf one can afford it then why not? It's everywhere, not just gadget industry. People buy new models of premium cars when they come out, people buy a new pair of $600 shoes when new collection arrives. Those people don't quite fit to your description of a common Starbucks customer.
- underlines 12y agoEnvironment anybody? god damn. Do you want to throw away everything when it's still usable, just because it's cool to have the new thing?
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