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Microsoft on GitHub

73 points by kevcampb 12y ago

erowtom 12y ago
http://www.microsoft.com/openness http://www.microsoft.com/openness
- scope 12y ago
  has anyone noticed the 'openness blog' where there's a custom scroll bar where if you want to scroll you have to DRAG it --- hey maybe it's because am using Firefox, maybe i should try it on IE :) edit: maybe this will get me more down-votes --- has anyone noticed how on the 'About Openness' menu, something pops up on hover but you can't click it --- PS: to notice this wonderful effect you have to use Firefox 31 yeah, am pretty sure this site is not just for show ;) also the copyright year is 2013 - maybe they are serious after all
  - harshreality 12y ago
    To be fair, their javascript mousewheel hackery breaks mousewheel scroll on all three major browsers. I guess they think people still click and drag scroll bars, so didn't run into the scroll wheel problem during cursory "testing". There's another interesting bug, if you click on the thin part of the scroll bar, below the thick bar representing visible content, the bar centers on where you click. If you then click above the thick bar, the top of the bar moves to where you clicked, rather than centering on where you clicked. Apparently the developer(s) believe that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds (either that or testing is). On mobile (android), that scrolling section is disabled and all the content displays normally. @dimitry it's not 1px, even in IE, when I view the page. They shouldn't have tried to make a custom scrollbar without more testing, but they evidently thought the stock scrollbar look didn't measure up to the grandeur of the rest of the microsoft openness page.
    - dmitrypopov 12y ago
      I was talking about "rail" which is indeed 1px, and the area around it is clickable. .mCSB_draggerRail { width: 1px; }
    - mr_sturd 12y ago
      It's probably just a touchstart event that it's listening for - just as their Metro interface neglects anything to do with mouse and keyboard.
  - dmitrypopov 12y ago
    Shame that mouse wheel doesn't work, but you can click on the scrollbar (which is not obvious, because it looks like it's 1px wide). And I used IE. Makes me wonder why did they want a custom scrollbar in the first place.
  - usingpond 12y ago
    Microsoft's web developers are pretty notoriously horrendous in both their approach and execution. One common mistake across ALL Microsoft sites is not bothering to embed their fonts, or declare fallbacks. So it looks great on their boss' computer but everybody else gets goddamned Times New Roman.
wsh91 12y ago
"Microsoft has changed as a company and is becoming more open in the way that we collaborate with others." Interesting that they lead with an apology.
- erowtom 12y ago
  I was thinking the same thing
- skrebbel 12y ago
  How is that an apology?
  - oliyoung 12y ago
    in that it's an admission that they're guilty of not being open and collaborative
    - bpodgursky 12y ago
      It's an admission that the world is changing and they have to keep up.
    - laureny 12y ago
      No, they're saying they are going to be "more open", which implies they were already open. No apology there (nor should there be).
      - umurkontaci 12y ago
        Though it means they were not open "enough". I agree on no apology part, it is just an "open" statement.
    - skrebbel 12y ago
      wtf, "guilty of not being open". Not being open is a crime now? It's a perfectly valid business strategy.
c54 12y ago
TypeScript is a nice start, hopefully we'll see this fill with several more Microsoft repos in the coming months.
rileyt 12y ago
All 11 people...
- baq 12y ago
  started with just one.
Asla 12y ago
Is git integrated into visual studio or something?
- shearnie 12y ago
  It has been for a while now.
  - stinos 12y ago
    And before it was built-in there were plugins - should really mention 'git diff margin' here. Most editors have this kind of functionality to show little git diff stats directly in the editor, but this one is really top notch as it can actually show the diff and let you revert to or copy the original lines. Can't live without it anymore.
    - grogs 12y ago
      IntelliJ (by JetBrains, the company behind Resharper) has similar functionality, for all the VCSs it supports. Very nice feature!
      - Chronic29 12y ago
        So does Eclipse.
BorisMelnik 12y ago
I never thought I'd see the day where Microsoft is openly talking about open source.
- jenscow 12y ago
  It's for publicity + out of desperation. They have treated developers (like myself) badly over the years, many are moving away. So they've released some throw-away products as open-source, on different project collaboration site to their own. While other larger members of the industry have had their core products open source for years.
  - Chronic29 12y ago
    The early bird gets the worm. I don't see Google making these announcements. Facebook, yes. Apple, lol.
sspiff 12y ago
I wonder if they'll be moving some of their other open (or shared) source projects to GitHub as well. Most of them are on CodePlex today.
rat87 12y ago
Other Microsoft Github accounts(I think) https://github.com/msopentech https://github.com/msopentech https://github.com/OfficeDev https://github.com/OfficeDev https://github.com/Azure https://github.com/Azure
- tphan 12y ago
  There's also: http://github.com/aspnet http://github.com/aspnet
- julianz 12y ago
  No longer within Microsoft, but it started there (and was their first open source project): https://github.com/wixtoolset/ https://github.com/wixtoolset/
- jfurness 12y ago
  Yammer is also part of Microsoft: https://github.com/yammer/ https://github.com/yammer/
DrinkWater 12y ago
how ironic!
ethana 12y ago
Is it too much to ask for .NET to be opensourced and on github?
- yarou 12y ago
  Not sure why you were downvoted, but apparently, it is too much to ask.
- lars 12y ago
  Well, here's the source: http://referencesource.microsoft.com http://referencesource.microsoft.com (under the MS reference license)
  - jenscow 12y ago
    That's not opensource. (I know you know that, but I'm just saying) Also, it provides nothing more than ilspy does (and ilspy shows the actual code on your machine)
    - MichaelGG 12y ago
      Decompiling certainly does not provide the same code or info as reference source.
      - jenscow 12y ago
        When debugging, you usually want to see the exact code that's being run - not a "reference" version which may not have the certain bit of code that you're trying to workaround/call. The only advantage that the reference code is the variable names are original, and there's a few comments (but no XML documentation?).
- rcarmo 12y ago
  vNext is, under a separate account: https://github.com/aspnet/Home https://github.com/aspnet/Home
antr 12y ago
FWIW, I have the feeling that the best exit for Github is getting acquired by Microsoft. Github is a large, savvy, community, constantly sharing interesting and valuable projects. I think MSFT needs that public perspective of being 'open', valuable community, new technologies, etc. The enterprise side of Github also plays nice with MSFT.
- ckaygusu 12y ago
  Oh dear god no.
- tonyedgecombe 12y ago
  I don't think it would be a good cultural fit.
- deleted 12y ago
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nicohvi 12y ago
I love how microsoft.github.io redirects to microsoft.com/openness which instantly brings back the feel of webdesign from the 90s. In my opinion they could've made a statement here, actually demonstrating by example that they're moving away from their previous corporate image, with a nice landing page, ala facebook react's github.io page.
- mynameisvlad 12y ago
  I'd rather they focus their time on actual open source technologies and tools, as opposed to landing pages. In the end, the quality of the things they put out should be what is being judged, not some landing page.
  - Stately 12y ago
    Yeah because everybody knows that if Microsoft lacks something is resources to build a static landing page.
    - mynameisvlad 12y ago
      In their open source teams? They probably do.
nspattak 12y ago
Part of me is very excited to see such an advancement. The other part of me (the one that has been "beaten" by MS for so many years) just doesn't trust them. I would most certainly check their code but I would be extra-super careful before using their code! I would consider even using an anonymous or home account to login github and download their source!
- WorldWideWayne 12y ago
  What part of you has been "beaten" by MS for so many years and how?
cies 12y ago
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- M. Gandhi[1] [1]: Disputed, as discussed here http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Disputed http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Disputed
fibo 12y ago
Microsoft and also IBM now feel sorry about their wrong behaviour, but it is really ridicolous that they say in the TypeScript project "if you want to help us, go to GitHub" ... come on, they have a lot of money and they ask help? Hiring people would be smarter! I went to an IBM meeting talking with the IBM Cloud Leader in Italy and all that hi profile people. All of them use Firefox (no one uses Chrome), did they sponsor Firefox? It seems they are a poor company that now need help. Shame on you Microsoft and IBM!
- dspillett 12y ago
  > come on, they have a lot of money and they ask help? They are not going to be able to buy community buy-in that they want, no matter who they hire and what other money they throw around. Asking the wider populous for their input early (assuming the filtering and acknowledging of that input is done right, and they continue to "play nice" once they've got what they want) is a good thing for both them and the end user: they'll more likely be able to release something right earlier (rather than everyone hating it until version 3). > did they sponsor Firefox? I'm going to have to ask you to explain the IBM connection here as I'm just not seeing a logical link between these statements and your point about Microsoft. How is IBM people preferring to use Firefox instead of something else? I wan't aware that IBM had any particular axe to grind in the current browser game.
  - rcarmo 12y ago
    It's probably just an IT thing. Many companies opted to deploy Firefox internally as an alternative to IE because it played well with their software management tools (as opposed to Chrome, which only got centralized version management later). In IT/helpdesk settings, you want to know what specific browser version your users are running to ensure intranet apps are compatible. Because, you know, legacy. Anyone who's used Siebel, Oracle intranet apps, etc. knows what it's like.
    - dspillett 12y ago
      I know why a browser would be install across the board - the thing that confused me was why the person I was replying to thought it was significant to this thread - there was an implication that it was the same sort of thing as "MS asking for help", which I don't see.
seanmcdirmid 12y ago
59 karma points, 5 hours old, in the middle of the night USA time, and...on the third page? Is someone flagging this as off topic?
deleted 12y ago
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Microsoft on GitHub

73 points by kevcampb 12y ago

erowtom 12y ago

http://www.microsoft.com/openness http://www.microsoft.com/openness

scope 12y ago
has anyone noticed the 'openness blog' where there's a custom scroll bar where if you want to scroll you have to DRAG it --- hey maybe it's because am using Firefox, maybe i should try it on IE :) edit: maybe this will get me more down-votes --- has anyone noticed how on the 'About Openness' menu, something pops up on hover but you can't click it --- PS: to notice this wonderful effect you have to use Firefox 31 yeah, am pretty sure this site is not just for show ;) also the copyright year is 2013 - maybe they are serious after all
- harshreality 12y ago
  To be fair, their javascript mousewheel hackery breaks mousewheel scroll on all three major browsers. I guess they think people still click and drag scroll bars, so didn't run into the scroll wheel problem during cursory "testing". There's another interesting bug, if you click on the thin part of the scroll bar, below the thick bar representing visible content, the bar centers on where you click. If you then click above the thick bar, the top of the bar moves to where you clicked, rather than centering on where you clicked. Apparently the developer(s) believe that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds (either that or testing is). On mobile (android), that scrolling section is disabled and all the content displays normally. @dimitry it's not 1px, even in IE, when I view the page. They shouldn't have tried to make a custom scrollbar without more testing, but they evidently thought the stock scrollbar look didn't measure up to the grandeur of the rest of the microsoft openness page.
  - dmitrypopov 12y ago
    I was talking about "rail" which is indeed 1px, and the area around it is clickable. .mCSB_draggerRail { width: 1px; }
  - mr_sturd 12y ago
    It's probably just a touchstart event that it's listening for - just as their Metro interface neglects anything to do with mouse and keyboard.
- dmitrypopov 12y ago
  Shame that mouse wheel doesn't work, but you can click on the scrollbar (which is not obvious, because it looks like it's 1px wide). And I used IE. Makes me wonder why did they want a custom scrollbar in the first place.
- usingpond 12y ago
  Microsoft's web developers are pretty notoriously horrendous in both their approach and execution. One common mistake across ALL Microsoft sites is not bothering to embed their fonts, or declare fallbacks. So it looks great on their boss' computer but everybody else gets goddamned Times New Roman.

wsh91 12y ago

"Microsoft has changed as a company and is becoming more open in the way that we collaborate with others." Interesting that they lead with an apology.

erowtom 12y ago
I was thinking the same thing
skrebbel 12y ago
How is that an apology?
- oliyoung 12y ago
  in that it's an admission that they're guilty of not being open and collaborative
  - bpodgursky 12y ago
    It's an admission that the world is changing and they have to keep up.
  - laureny 12y ago
    No, they're saying they are going to be "more open", which implies they were already open. No apology there (nor should there be).
    - umurkontaci 12y ago
      Though it means they were not open "enough". I agree on no apology part, it is just an "open" statement.
  - skrebbel 12y ago
    wtf, "guilty of not being open". Not being open is a crime now? It's a perfectly valid business strategy.

c54 12y ago

TypeScript is a nice start, hopefully we'll see this fill with several more Microsoft repos in the coming months.

rileyt 12y ago

All 11 people...

baq 12y ago
started with just one.

Asla 12y ago

Is git integrated into visual studio or something?

shearnie 12y ago
It has been for a while now.
- stinos 12y ago
  And before it was built-in there were plugins - should really mention 'git diff margin' here. Most editors have this kind of functionality to show little git diff stats directly in the editor, but this one is really top notch as it can actually show the diff and let you revert to or copy the original lines. Can't live without it anymore.
  - grogs 12y ago
    IntelliJ (by JetBrains, the company behind Resharper) has similar functionality, for all the VCSs it supports. Very nice feature!
    - Chronic29 12y ago
      So does Eclipse.

BorisMelnik 12y ago

I never thought I'd see the day where Microsoft is openly talking about open source.

jenscow 12y ago
It's for publicity + out of desperation. They have treated developers (like myself) badly over the years, many are moving away. So they've released some throw-away products as open-source, on different project collaboration site to their own. While other larger members of the industry have had their core products open source for years.
- Chronic29 12y ago
  The early bird gets the worm. I don't see Google making these announcements. Facebook, yes. Apple, lol.

sspiff 12y ago

I wonder if they'll be moving some of their other open (or shared) source projects to GitHub as well. Most of them are on CodePlex today.

rat87 12y ago

Other Microsoft Github accounts(I think) https://github.com/msopentech https://github.com/msopentech https://github.com/OfficeDev https://github.com/OfficeDev https://github.com/Azure https://github.com/Azure

tphan 12y ago
There's also: http://github.com/aspnet http://github.com/aspnet
julianz 12y ago
No longer within Microsoft, but it started there (and was their first open source project): https://github.com/wixtoolset/ https://github.com/wixtoolset/
jfurness 12y ago
Yammer is also part of Microsoft: https://github.com/yammer/ https://github.com/yammer/

DrinkWater 12y ago

how ironic!

ethana 12y ago

Is it too much to ask for .NET to be opensourced and on github?

yarou 12y ago
Not sure why you were downvoted, but apparently, it is too much to ask.
lars 12y ago
Well, here's the source: http://referencesource.microsoft.com http://referencesource.microsoft.com (under the MS reference license)
- jenscow 12y ago
  That's not opensource. (I know you know that, but I'm just saying) Also, it provides nothing more than ilspy does (and ilspy shows the actual code on your machine)
  - MichaelGG 12y ago
    Decompiling certainly does not provide the same code or info as reference source.
    - jenscow 12y ago
      When debugging, you usually want to see the exact code that's being run - not a "reference" version which may not have the certain bit of code that you're trying to workaround/call. The only advantage that the reference code is the variable names are original, and there's a few comments (but no XML documentation?).
rcarmo 12y ago
vNext is, under a separate account: https://github.com/aspnet/Home https://github.com/aspnet/Home

antr 12y ago

FWIW, I have the feeling that the best exit for Github is getting acquired by Microsoft. Github is a large, savvy, community, constantly sharing interesting and valuable projects. I think MSFT needs that public perspective of being 'open', valuable community, new technologies, etc. The enterprise side of Github also plays nice with MSFT.

ckaygusu 12y ago
Oh dear god no.
tonyedgecombe 12y ago
I don't think it would be a good cultural fit.
deleted 12y ago
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nicohvi 12y ago

I love how microsoft.github.io redirects to microsoft.com/openness which instantly brings back the feel of webdesign from the 90s. In my opinion they could've made a statement here, actually demonstrating by example that they're moving away from their previous corporate image, with a nice landing page, ala facebook react's github.io page.

mynameisvlad 12y ago
I'd rather they focus their time on actual open source technologies and tools, as opposed to landing pages. In the end, the quality of the things they put out should be what is being judged, not some landing page.
- Stately 12y ago
  Yeah because everybody knows that if Microsoft lacks something is resources to build a static landing page.
  - mynameisvlad 12y ago
    In their open source teams? They probably do.

nspattak 12y ago

Part of me is very excited to see such an advancement. The other part of me (the one that has been "beaten" by MS for so many years) just doesn't trust them. I would most certainly check their code but I would be extra-super careful before using their code! I would consider even using an anonymous or home account to login github and download their source!

WorldWideWayne 12y ago
What part of you has been "beaten" by MS for so many years and how?

cies 12y ago

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- M. Gandhi[1] [1]: Disputed, as discussed here http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Disputed http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Disputed

fibo 12y ago

Microsoft and also IBM now feel sorry about their wrong behaviour, but it is really ridicolous that they say in the TypeScript project "if you want to help us, go to GitHub" ... come on, they have a lot of money and they ask help? Hiring people would be smarter! I went to an IBM meeting talking with the IBM Cloud Leader in Italy and all that hi profile people. All of them use Firefox (no one uses Chrome), did they sponsor Firefox? It seems they are a poor company that now need help. Shame on you Microsoft and IBM!

dspillett 12y ago
> come on, they have a lot of money and they ask help? They are not going to be able to buy community buy-in that they want, no matter who they hire and what other money they throw around. Asking the wider populous for their input early (assuming the filtering and acknowledging of that input is done right, and they continue to "play nice" once they've got what they want) is a good thing for both them and the end user: they'll more likely be able to release something right earlier (rather than everyone hating it until version 3). > did they sponsor Firefox? I'm going to have to ask you to explain the IBM connection here as I'm just not seeing a logical link between these statements and your point about Microsoft. How is IBM people preferring to use Firefox instead of something else? I wan't aware that IBM had any particular axe to grind in the current browser game.
- rcarmo 12y ago
  It's probably just an IT thing. Many companies opted to deploy Firefox internally as an alternative to IE because it played well with their software management tools (as opposed to Chrome, which only got centralized version management later). In IT/helpdesk settings, you want to know what specific browser version your users are running to ensure intranet apps are compatible. Because, you know, legacy. Anyone who's used Siebel, Oracle intranet apps, etc. knows what it's like.
  - dspillett 12y ago
    I know why a browser would be install across the board - the thing that confused me was why the person I was replying to thought it was significant to this thread - there was an implication that it was the same sort of thing as "MS asking for help", which I don't see.

seanmcdirmid 12y ago

59 karma points, 5 hours old, in the middle of the night USA time, and...on the third page? Is someone flagging this as off topic?

deleted 12y ago

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