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This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on.
by ebbv 13y ago
This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of:
- $100 more expensive than PS4.
- Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off.
- Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4.
Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And it's supposed to be the center of your home theater but only has a single HDMI input.
- dualboot 13y agoPersonally, I don't care if the Kinect is always connected if the thing isn't online at all. Also a $100 Discount doesn't have any traction with me regarding all of the bad will they created from the decades of pushing highly proprietary technologies into the market. Their terrible practices for me hit a crescendo when they made my life miserable via in-laws putting Sony rootkit audio-cd's into their PC. Nope. Not getting any more of my dollars.
- ebbv 13y agoSony has certainly done some heinous things in the past, but so has Microsoft. So, pick your poison.
- dualboot 13y agoI agree. Sony's actions have just been more insidious from my admittedly anecdotal perspective.
- Erwin 13y agoWhat has Microsoft done to compete with the Sony rootkit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootki...
- jamesaguilar 13y agoThere was this antitrust case where Microsoft tried to illegally take ownership of the entire desktop computing ecosystem. It would have probably done more harm than any one rootkit. You may have heard of it. Also, Sony-BMG is not the same company as Sony Computer Entertainment, and indeed no longer exists.
- kalininalex 13y agoI guess the question requires further qualification, "What has Microsoft done, in the last 12 years, to compete with the Sony rootkit?"
- jamesaguilar 13y agoWith some other company's rootkit that was also a child company of the same parent conglomerate.
- freshhawk 13y agoBlatantly lying about the Skype backdoor? Does it matter than much though? They are both awful in the context we are discussing. I'll likely not buy either, although that Tom Clancy 3rd person shooter MMO looks like a lot of fun and is console only. The Steambox is an interesting alternative, it's scheduled for this year (insert valve release date joke here).
- georgemcbay 13y agoAt least this is the first Steambox (will be released very late) and not the Steambox 3 (will never be released).
- AdrianRossouw 13y agoto echo another sibling response: yes, the steam box just keeps looking better. They might be enabling game sharing soon too[1] [1] www.theverge.com/2013/6/19/4445844/valve-steam-game-sharing
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- CJefferson 13y agoHas Microsoft ever done anything like the removal of Linux from the PS3? That is what will stop me personally from buying another Sony console.
- wolfgke 13y agoHas Microsoft ever given the possibility to install Linux on the XBox 360?
- chrisbolt 13y agoNo, but Sony gave that possibility then took it away.
- mercuryrising 13y agoNot entirely on the same page, but the RRoD bricked two of my 360s. One was in warranty, they sent me a new one. It RRoRed a little while later, but I was out of warranty now, so no replacement for me. I bought a new one, then that one RRoRed after about 3.5 years. I'll never purchase another Microsoft product just because I don't have faith in their ability to create a hardware product after that debacle. Such a waste. My NES, Playstation, PS2, N64, etc. all still work. 360s die within three years of purchase.
- ralfd 13y agoWith that logic Sony never should have allowed (like the Xbox) a second OS on the PS3, so people wouldn't bitch about the removal.
- maxhowell 13y agoIndeed, never offer features that you don't intend to fully support. People hate change, but they hate you more if you take away something they use, especially if they feel they paid for it.
- baddox 13y agoI pick neither, and the Nintendo 64 will continue to be the most recent console I have purchased.
- marcosdumay 13y agoI know that sounds crazy, but I'm seriously considering drinking no poison at all.
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- OSButler 13y agoI think Sony is doing a good job of redeeming themselves again. Yes, there were the rootkit issues, PSN hack, propietary memory card requirements, ... However, I feel like they have finally noticed that the consumer just doesn't take it anymore being treated this way and that they need to rethink their approach to earn back the trust of the consumer. PS+ is an excellent example. You pay a minimal fee for the service every month and receive free games, which you can use as long as you are subscribed to their service. You don't need to do anything and your game collection keeps on growing anyway! This is a genius offering, which allows any adopter to quickly build up a collection of games, without having to shell out an additional $20-50 for each individual title. Add their recent announcements in regards to PS4 & PS Vita and it really sounds like they are trying their hardest to convince the consumer on buying their products based on the actual features instead of trying to lock them in with proprietary hardware and devious protection schemes. It's the first time where I feel Sony is showing off a product again saying "look how awesome this is" without adding a page full of * trying to explain how & why certain features will or will not work.
- nsmartt 13y agoWhy wouldn't it be online?
- sz4kerto 13y agoReally? It's not possible to turn on Kinect? Even if you unplug it? Even if you cover it? Even if you put it in a cupboard? Whoa, that must be a marvelous piece of hardware.
- proland 13y agoConsole won't boot without it plugged in. It's also not clear if there will be a physical power button, meaning the only way to turn the damn thing on will be for Kinect to hear the phrase "Xbox On", meaning stuffing it in a cupboard won't be a particularly effective idea.
- taopao 13y agoWhere'd you get that bit of FUD from? They wouldn't ever do that, the console would be inaccessible to deaf/mutes.
- C1D 13y agoWhen I turn it off I'll probably disconnect the power and turn it back on when I want to play it. In fact I bet it would be easy to create a pi hack that let's me turn the power on and off with a button. I also doubt they won't have a button, what happens if my mic breaks?
- HelloMcFly 13y agoThe Netflix thing is the only one stopping me, really. I love the idea of voice commands (if they work smoothly) and combining my OTA channels with my games. I'm willing to pay an extra $100 for what I assume (and will wait to see verified) will be a much better cohesive media experience than the PS4 that includes those two things. By pay an annual fee for Netflix on top of what I pay Netflix? Never. I also don't care about the always-semi-on Kinect.
- WayneDB 13y agopay an annual fee for Netflix on top of what I pay Netflix? Never. Same here! Also, I'm a casual gamer and I go months...YEARS without playing video games. I do not want another subscription that I'm going to forget about. I had an Xbox 360, but I never paid for the Gold service - so the only online gaming in my house is done on my PC workstation. I will probably get a PS4 this time around.
- dragontamer 13y agoConsider the WiiU. Netflix support and Video Chat, new games that neither system can do. WiiU + PC will probably get you more coverage than PS4 + PC. As far as I can tell anyway...
- pandaman 13y agoAll consoles have exclusive games so every single one has "new games that neither system can do", however Wii U has the weakest third party support so it won't get most of the games either system can do. It's a current generation system so it will get some multi-plat still coming into this gen, otherwise it's pretty much Nintendo first party titles all the way.
- untog 13y agoThe OP did say "I go months...YEARS without playing video games".
- anoncow 13y agoWithout the retraction, Xbox one would probably have been dead on arrival. This move takes them back to where they were. The malarkey about how XBox one wanted to be a better steam and would offer cheaper games(this was what some xbox dev said in response to the xbone bashing), now stands squashed. Your points about how netflix is behind a paywall and how there isn't a dvr or multiple hdmi inputs in xbone are spot on. If microsoft implements these features, then xbox one could be a great bet. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5876761 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5876761
- l0c0b0x 13y agoYeah, $100 less Netflix netflix free on PS4 and Wii... sorry Microsoft!
- sivam 13y agoHow is the Kinect different from every smartphone, tablet with microphones and cameras that we all always carry around even to bathrooms, bedrooms and confidential meetings? > $100 more expensive than PS4. You get the easy to use Kinect voice control and things like fitness games that can help you be in your target heart rate zone.
- rocky1138 13y agoIt's Microsoft.
- alyx 13y agoStop spreading privacy FUD. Kinect can be controlled and disabled. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy
- bwilliams 13y agoIt still has to be connected at all times so I think his point is still valid.
- mikelat 13y agoThis page says it's disabled by software - not by hardware. So it really depends on how much you trust the software and the people making it. The software is closed source and the people making it also happened to be the first ones to sign onto PRISM.
- nhangen 13y agoNetflix has always been behind the Xbox gold paywall. Give them credit for addressing some of the more pressing issues. It was enough to sway me back after considering a PS4.
- georgemcbay 13y agoNetflix has always been behind the Xbox Live gold paywall, but it has never been behind the PS+ paywall, and won't be on the PS4 either. So I don't really see this as a point in Microsoft's favor.
- georgemcbay 13y agoAdd: - Indie self-publishing (PS4 allows, Xbox One doesn't, this is a big deal for me personally).
- jameshart 13y agoHow many HDMI inputs does a blu-ray-playing digital-media-playing console need? I think they're assuming you're not going to wire a Playstation or an Apple TV into it, there's no need to plug in a blu-ray player, so that just leaves the cable box... ... oh, and the old Xbox 360, I guess. That'll have to just use the composite input to the TV.
- Kiro 13y agoI haven't been following this thing but I presumed it was something outrageously wrong with the Xbox One that triggered all this backlash. I'm baffled to see that these are the reasons. Seriously?
- zamalek 13y agoSo long as we are comparing Sony and Microsoft let's not forget which company has actively sued hardware hackers and which hasn't. So add this to your list: - Doesn't hide behind a marketing facade. Sony has made a big following with their marketing campaigns that contrast them with Microsoft, but I am really interested to see how the chips actually fall a few months or years in.