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As a Swiss, I'm happy they finally try it. It's only around 5% of all government machines, but at least it's a start and I wish them all the best! We have to ge
by Atariman 26d ago
As a Swiss, I'm happy they finally try it. It's only around 5% of all government machines, but at least it's a start and I wish them all the best!
We have to get independent asap from the US, they never were our (or any other countries) "friends" and most likely never will be.
OSS ftw!
- unethical_ban 26d ago[flagged]
- MichaelZuo 26d agoFrom what I heard, the shakedown of the Swiss government over the F35 contract couldn’t have happened without the active support of many actors in the beltway. So it seems sensible for them to doubt the intentions of many hundreds of decision makers, not just a single person.
- csomar 26d agoThe US singlehandedly dismantled the swiss offshore banking industry. You can’t say they were doing it for moral or legal purposes since they have now moved the activities to the US. So, yeah, they were never their friends but they were kinda in an abusive yet still beneficial relationship.
- 8note 26d ago"never were" is something US diplomats have themselves said over time: the US has interests, not allies.
- illiac786 26d agoBut doesn’t every country, every kingdom throughout human history?
- mrits 26d ago[flagged]
- Atariman 26d agoWe were neutral, but it's always funny how many US-guys always bring up WW2. That was maybe the last time, the US did anything "good" for the world. But yeah, I think it's useless to argue with you.
- embedding-shape 26d agoWW2 was long enough ago that no one you end up talking about it actually experienced it themselves, but it's recent enough that people who felt their country did "Good", can still ride that high wave without being pulled down by everything that came after.
- palata 26d agoWhat? My grandmother experienced it herself, she saw bombings.
- embedding-shape 26d agoRight, I didn't mean "Everyone who was alive during WW2 is today dead", that's obviously not true, it was just 80 years ago or so. What I meant was that most people who discuss WW2 with others online, mostly talk from the perspective of not having experienced the war themselves, nor did the person who they speak to, most likely.
- palata 26d agoI think it depends a lot on the country. If you go to countries that were invaded, people have been in contact with their grandparents. It's not "something that happened far away", it's "stories from family I've known". Of course in the US it's very different. That's possibly why Elon Musk can do Nazi salutes there and nothing happens. Of course not everybody cares: many people still buy Teslas in Europe. But I think the WW2 memory is not as far as you make it sound.
- glimshe 26d agoLinux is largely financed by American corporations. Without that, Linux wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today.
- embedding-shape 26d agoHow far you wanna go back to figure out what Linux would/wouldn't be without specific companies and individuals? You're taking "stealing credit for something" to a whole new level.
- sebmellen 26d agoLinux is 100% created by an ethnically Swedish guy in Finland. Your point is?
- ButlerianJihad 26d agofnord
- embedding-shape 26d agoOuch, so many wrong statements with your comment, where to begin. For starters, you seem to imply that Linux is done created, but Linus is still actively creating more of Linux, so check mate, mate.
- ButlerianJihad 26d agoYou sunk my battleship!
- embedding-shape 26d ago> as American citizens As a Finish/American citizen. Not sure why people should trust the rest of what you write when you cannot even get the basics correctly. Edit: Aww, you were so wrong you had to edit the complete comment to say something else? Boo! Come on, stand up for being wrong when it happens.
- Rochus 26d agoWouldn't a true Swiss person be neutral and cautious, and wouldn't they refrain from parroting all sorts of nonsense in public about other countries? Anyway, it doesn’t exactly seem like smart move when a government agency tasked with protecting its citizens’ sensitive information switches on a large scale from local, closed networks with energy-efficient desktop applications to externally hosted SaaS infrastructure, with wasteful, fragile, unsecure browser-based applications, sending each byte over many borders. This development should never have happened in the first place.
- khalic 26d agoThat’s a lot of misconceptions for one paragraph…
- Rochus 26d agoWhat misconception? The administration wrote themselves few years ago: https://www.edoeb.admin.ch/de/07032023-bundesverwaltung-fuehrt-public-cloud-gestuetzte-anwendung-microsoft-365-ein https://www.edoeb.admin.ch/de/07032023-bundesverwaltung-fueh... Now (eventually) they seem to reconsider that this dependability might not have been a good idea. I worked for the Swiss administration myself as an external consultant for many years and have I pretty good insight.
- palata 26d agoI believe they are saying two things: - They feel like the Swiss person above shouldn't say stuff like "the US were never friends". And... you know... they are entitled to their feelings, I guess? - Switzerland should not have become dependent on BigTech (or any kind of external tech). Which goes in the direction of digital sovereignty.
- Rochus 26d agoTo the point, thanks.
- wallst07 26d ago[flagged]
- robertacion 26d agoPlease follow the comment guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Gud 26d agoSwitzerland and Europe in general didn’t start a trade war against their long term ally. The USA did. It makes sense to decouple yourself from a country that decided to vote in an unhinged con artist as their president that is actively hostile towards you.
- BLKNSLVR 26d agoBe nice if a bunch of you woke up to fucking vote once in a while.
- unethical_ban 26d agoThe number of so-called liberals in my life who didn't vote in 2024 because "both sides suck" is greater than zero, and this gnaws at me every time I think about it. I am not offended at the idea of countries decoupling from cloud- and AI- laced US business software. Dunno how manageable Linux DEs are via enterprise MDM but KDE rocks these days.
- noname120 26d agoI’m disappointed they did. M365 represents a tiny proportion of the budget especially in light of the high Swiss salaries in government (~ $100-250k per employee per year) and all the surrounding infrastructure costs. Microsoft software became really good over time and the loss of productivity and the inefficiencies introduced by the change to clunky software will absolutely not be worth it.
- functionmouse 26d agoSorry, none of what you just said makes any practical sense.
- noname120 26d agoCould you elaborate?
- dh2022 26d agoI think I can. In 2026 Excel is unusable for me (I cannot see the active cell at a glance, I cannot trace dependent cells to “debug” my formulas, I cannot save directly to my local hard disk with a keystroke combination- I have to click around to avoid OneDrive) Outlook freezes all the time. And in the past year or so AI “helpers” became very intrusive and distracting. Office 365 usually has an authentication snafu twice a year-those days are completely lost for me. But even in the days without outages Office 365 is glitching and requires multiple attempts to login.
- NetMageSCW 26d agoWhy are you logged into OneDrive if you don’t want to use it?
- dh2022 26d agoActually I am not logged on OneDrive (AFAIK I did not create any OneDrive accounts) Excel insists that I should save my spreadsheets on OneDrive. Thus the infuriation.
- aaron695 26d ago[dead]