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OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
- minimaxir 1mo agoObligatory question: who is still using OpenClaw? It's been a minor meme about how much discussion about OpenClaw fell of a cliff after March; the Google Trends graph is funny: https://trends.google.com/explore?q=OpenClaw&date=today%201-y&geo=US https://trends.google.com/explore?q=OpenClaw&date=today%201-...
- radcod3 1mo agoMost people I know use hermes now
- timcobb 1mo agoAll the people you know, or claw users?
- pixelesque 1mo agoHermes' Github has 12K open issues and 25K pull requests. I assume they're using agents to sort through all the slop?
- dgellow 1mo agoIssues and PRs created by agents, triaged by agents, handled by agents?
- corv 1mo agoHard to keep track of a project that keeps renaming…
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- N_Lens 1mo agoI remember when everyone was ordering Mac Minis. "How many mac minis you got" down at the local pub. Funny times.
- ozim 1mo agoI don't believe this happened. Why would you go to a pub to talk to people if you have all those agents at home. Especially if one spent money on mac minis in bulk I wouldn't have money to spend on beer at the pub, just get cheap 6-pack from grocery store. Maybe bar fights enjoyers? Well with bots I just unplug it and I win :)
- meeq 1mo agoLMFAO, all of Wyoming apparently still using OpenClaw. What's up with that?
- small_model 1mo agoEveryone is switching to Grok bot that I know, it's the best so far of this kind of stuff.
- system2 1mo agoOpenClaw trend was like Pokémon Go from 2016. A bunch of mindless people followed a trend just because it was a trend.
- ik_ben_paul 1mo agoAnd, perhaps in both cases, because they had fun with it?
- teekert 1mo agoImho it say something about you that you see people that experiment with new things as "mindless people". I'll go search for my mind now, thanx.
- croes 1mo agoDid they create test cases, wrote a protocol about the results? Just trying something out and see what happens isn’t experimenting
- arjie 1mo agoIt was first, but it's like Langchain built tools first. Nowadays, everyone's got a better assistant. Grok's looks like the most exciting, though I just have a custom built one. Has a headed browser when it wants and everything that I can pop into from my phone. It's so easy to write this kind of software it's a waste to pay someone for it.
- hanrelan 1mo agoHow do you deal with auth/bot detection/captchas in that browser? That's where my agent consistently gets stuck
- arjie 1mo agoCaptchas are handed to me to solve. Because the operations are in the background I usually make the agent be a little more human with typing and navigating. The slowness isn't a concern for backgrounded jobs. It is imperfect, of course, I triggered something on Grainger. And the truth is I should be using Luminati, but it's good enough to be useful to me.
- MagMueller 29d ago[dead]
- FergusArgyll 1mo agoThis was useful for the 1-2 months where models were good enough to use all their newfound tools but not good enough to vibe code them themselves. Now, just install codex (or claude code or whatever) on a vps, tell it to make a way to email it, then email it to make a way to text it etc etc. takes a few minutes and when you need another bridge just have codex make it.
- stingraycharles 1mo agoI think what changed is that coding agents adopted some of the features from Openclaw, eg the ability to access it remotely and for one Claude Code instance to “talk” to another, etc.
- eru 1mo agoI'm fairly sure you can vibecode all these things, but given the state of agent produced code at the moment, I would suspect that your email and sms gate will have horrible security holes.
- sandos 1mo agowho is going to target _your_ specific holes and infrastructure though? :)
- Micrococonut 1mo agoAutomated scripts that target everything they can. Isn’t that one of the core lessons to take away from the last year? As hacking becomes commoditized and the cost per attack shrinks, it becomes more profitable to cast a wide net, and everyone will become a target.
- eru 29d agoAnd thanks to AI, every bespoke system can get a bespoke attack.
- ozim 1mo ago
- blfr 1mo agoI like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?
- Skunkleton 1mo agoI wouldn't trust it with a credit card, or really any sort of non-reversable decision making. Most of what I do outside of work either requires physical interaction, or is something I do for fun. For now, I assume that is what people use this stuff for. Fun.
- Flere-Imsaho 1mo agoI don't use OpenClaw, but rather Hermes. I have a set schedule that kicks off Hermes to scan my home network for anything out of sorts, and generate a summary that it sends to me via SimpleX. For this, Hermes uses tools such as nmap, etc (it decided which tools were best). I think if I was running my own business or organisation, I'd be using it more. However, for "home" stuff, like you I struggle to think of useful tasks for agents to do for me.
- petesergeant 1mo agoHas it ever found anything? If so, what? I've been marginally tempted to do something similar
- Flere-Imsaho 1mo agoYeah loads. Some of which I was aware of, and didn't consider enough of a risk to mitigate. It found others which I wasn't aware of, such as open ports on printers, etc. LLMs are really good at the cyber security stuff. I've also tried using the LLM to tell me what it sees in my security cameras, which it's also really good at. For example identifying a rabbit run in my garden, which I built from scratch, so I know no other exists like it in the universe. I've not hooked that up in an automated fashion though.
- jesse_dot_id 1mo agoStill a no from me until these things can display any degree of intuition, and even then it's probably still a no. You're asking for trouble if you hook an autonomous agent up to anything that you care about. You're insanely naive if you give it access to everything. OpenAI can't even monitor its own shit properly with teams of well paid engineers, and you are one novel prompt injection technique away from your entire digital life going up in smoke. Also... >Today we released by far the largest update in the history of OpenClaw. It was built by 933 contributors, including 569 first-time contributors, and is composed of over 16,000 pull requests. This is not the flex you think it is. That's horrifying lol
- hirako2000 1mo agoOpenAI bought a hyped ingenious idea, plagued with holes, thinking it could surf the wave.
- trueno 1mo ago569 first time contributors yea i shall continue to not use openclaw
- madaxe_again 1mo agoTotally. Nothing has really changed since GPT-2.0, it’s a stagnant technology.
- asah 1mo agonah they have AI bots for checking security, performance, etc so it's all fine!
- asaddhamani 1mo agoSo at least 569 vibe coders have made a huge mess of an already hugely messy piece of software and they somehow think this is a flex? Yeah I’m gonna continue to not use openclaw. I installed it once in a VM and was immediately like what is this and why would I ever want it? Seriously Claude code already does everything openclaw can and with a much better harness?
- nsonha 1mo agohow many people fall into the openclaw trap because they just need a way to command agents from mobile, and cron tasks? Only thing I am missing with codex is the ability to recall anything from any session (I see it in this openclaw "2" release note so I guess it wasn't in openclaw "1" anyway). I guess claude and codex can look up transcripts globally too, just not as a first class feature.
- opwizardx 1mo agoThat is exactly what I'm building pond for myself: one store for all my sessions, Codex and Claude Code both and a bunch of others including OpenClaw, and my agents can access it over MCP. It also happens really often that when my agents cannot find something, they just call pond search themselves. Faster that way. Whenever I need a session from a while ago now, I just know it's in pond. Repo, if you'd be willing to give it a try: github.com/tenequm/pond
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- soundworlds 1mo agoOne thing I really like about Claude Code, Hermes, and other harnesses, is how much feedback they give about what they are doing. They take you along for the ride, which builds trust. I tried OpenClaw for about 10 minutes, and the feedback I got (even using Claude under the hood) felt very "trust me bro, I've got this" - which made me trust it less. I'm sure there's a way to get more verbose feedback? But I did feel too out of the loop to feel comfortable.
- mgrandl 1mo agoSounds like paseo is for you. It wraps whatever harness you want and makes it accessible on the go. I am the same way as you and openclaw is not for me. https://paseo.sh https://paseo.sh
- netniuq 1mo agoThanks! I've been using happier, but this looks maybe even better https://happier.dev/ https://happier.dev/
- Schlagbohrer 1mo agoI have found the Pi agent harness, running in a docker container, with Qwen3.8-27B in back in LM Studio, to be amazing and i use it daily. Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do. I have never tried OpenClaw so maybe I am missing out but considering how much my agent can modify the Pi environment to work better, I am happy with the workflow I have established. Does anyone have a good pro vs con for Pi vs OpenClaw? I have never tried using a cloud model via a local agentic harness.
- eyeris 1mo agoNo problem/con here, but I think the main reason for openclaw became famous is that it was a harness you could connect via messaging apps (esp telegram). That way you could have an assistant with your full computer context available on the go. Additionally, it’s super battery-included, pretty much the opposite of pi
- sketchysandwich 1mo agoPi agent supports messaging apps now. I'm actually building my own version of Open Claw, custom tailored to me using the Pi agent SDK and Discord.
- lfx 1mo agoIs this something native by pi, or from 3rd party devs?
- viccis 1mo agoThe story in the "The Daily Claw" thing they are showing is like Claudese dialed up to max
- larodi 1mo agoSomehow people are suddenly not impressed nor amazed by such announcements…
- worldsavior 1mo agoMaybe because openclaw is a security hazard and an unmaintainable codebase without LLMs?
- larodi 1mo agofor various reasons,... but my guess is one can easily have Pi or something similar tuned to one's needs in hours, perhaps minutes.
- nkzd 1mo agoOpenClaw is a vibecoded mess. Updates break default installation flow all the time.
- layla5alive 1mo agoOpen claw: aka. open door to a remote privilege escalation potentially granting root access to your computer (and if you're using it "as intended" possibly all of your email/internet logins/accounts, your credit card, etc.) to any text your model ingests from the internet... It's already true of LLMs in general that they represent a privilege escalation opportunity to any text they ingest. But with human in the loop, and a well-formed sandbox, the blast radius and risk are both reduced.. Convenience is the root of much evil.
- HyperAI 1mo agoConvenience always wins until it doesn't. I learned this the hard way — had an API key leak because an agent decided to "helpfully" paste it into a log output. Didn't notice until the bill came. Now I run everything in isolated containers with scoped tokens. Not because I'm paranoid, but because I'm lazy. Rotating a key is annoying, rebuilding a container is not. What's the actual breaking point for people here? Root access? API keys? Or just "can see my data"?
- FallCheeta7373 1mo agocode was secured for convenience not convenience for secure code
- LaurensBER 1mo agoNot only is it unsecured root access to your computer, it also adds a thousand layers of "security" (which will break on every update) to pretend that it's safe.
- stbenjam 1mo agoThe risk here is wildly overstated, prompt injection risk is becoming vanishingly small with the latest frontier models. I would not run an OpenClaw with full access to my bitwarden, but it certainly has some logins available to it, and can make purchases with link-cli which has human-in-the-loop.
- pixl97 1mo agoOvert prompt injection is becoming harder, but research into conversation stearing has lead to new less obvious ways to modify what direction they move in. Also any longer running agent can lose track of the original prompt and start going off the rails.
- syntaxing 1mo agoHow do people bypass captcha or robot checks? All I wanted is a price aggregator but it always gets blocked by major retailers.
- jgalt212 1mo agoI'm with you here. Every demo I asked for where I knew a captcha / cloudflare would block an AI directed scraper was unsuccessful / produced unsatisfactory results. WebMCP for the win, or loss, depending on your perspective. Personally, I could get behind WebMCP if micropayments ever became a thing. Of course, then my incentive to trick your Agent in crawling millions of pages and paying me lots of cash would be rather high.
- nickthegreek 1mo agohttps://github.com/Flaresolverr/Flaresolverr https://github.com/Flaresolverr/Flaresolverr
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- whinvik 1mo agoI actually think I would like to use OpenClaw but everytime I go to the docs I give up. It feels so intimidating. There's so much stuff going on. Maybe it is good for agents who can just motor through that volume, but me personally, I would want something simpler, maybe an `OpenClaw-lite`
- nisegami 1mo agoThere's a lot of similar projects out there that are closer to what you're looking for. For example, I used nanoclaw for a bit before switching to Hermes.
- himhckr 1mo agoSee if you like [Msty Go](https://msty.ai/go https://msty.ai/go)
- atonse 1mo agoI’ve concluded that if you already use a coding agent then openclaw adds very little (at least the multiple rounds I’ve tried it since mid Jan), it mainly brought the power of do-everything coding agents to your phone, available everywhere. But you exchange a low quality messaging interface for that ease of access. Just to be clear, I’m not advocating that people that benefit from openclaw move to coding agents. This isn’t a “dropbox is just SFTP” comment, more that if you are already using coding agents, it feels like they do most of what I saw from openclaw at least a few months ago. Am I missing something? Would love to be proven wrong.
- LaurensBER 1mo agoIt's not only that, all this complexity leads to stuff breaking with every update. For a tool that's supposed to just answer chat messages it's impressive how crappy and unstable this software feels. I have it running since the release and my primary usecase seems to be to use the CLI to fix whatever broke this week. Would not recommend running this, it's the antithesis of the Linux philosophy.
- ethbr1 1mo agoOpenClaw is designed for people who are okay with "Don't worry about it" being an acceptable answer to "How does this work?" Which is why it's so big with the PM/PO-turned-vibe-coder crowd.
- Micrococonut 1mo agoAccidentally indeed. Im sure it’s tough to do anything intentionally when you are sieving through the slop heaps.
- saberience 1mo agoI still remember Karpathy's breathless excitement about "claws" and how all autonomous agents would be called "claws" in the future. Now fast forward six months and nobody uses OpenClaw anymore and nobody is talking about "claws". I love it.
- SipitenoMK 1mo agoActually I use Hermes Agent who delegates tasks to OpenClaw. It works perfectly, we run OpenClaw experiments with my partner as an independent drop shipper, it’s much more complicated setup, which cannot disclose publicly, but it works. The brain is Hermes, OpenClaw from VPS is a fearless executor :)
- newswasboring 1mo agoBut hermes agent can do whatever openclaw can. At least in my experience. Then why delegate to claw and not just a hermes profile?
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- deudomperidone 1mo ago"Hard times create strong programmers, strong programmers create easy times, easy times create vibe coders, and vibe coders create slop."
- maherbeg 1mo agoThis is pretty cool. I'll wait to watch some videos on it, but I haven't quite found a tool that is excellent for both single player and multi-player. I'd like to have basically the Codex Desktop App / Mobile app for my personal use, connected to local LLMs. But I'd also like to be able to have a shared space, where my family and I can work together to do things like plan trips. This would then store artifacts like our itinerary, ideas, html mini sites for the trip for us to work on and use together. Agents sit alongside us helping us plan and organize. Buzz is decent for this use case, but hasn't fully nailed the mark.
- beyondscale-yes 29d ago[flagged]