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I clicked around a bit, read the manifesto, I still have no idea what these people do. I guess they claim to have been around for a while, but a bunch of the li
by Avicebron 2mo ago
I clicked around a bit, read the manifesto, I still have no idea what these people do. I guess they claim to have been around for a while, but a bunch of the links don't work and the manifesto has definitely been updated to reflect 2026 opinions.
What is this?
- pietervdvn 2mo agoThey host blogs and email used by many activists.
- napolux 2mo agoAutistici/Inventati is an Italian collective, active since around 2001, that runs free digital services for activists, grassroots groups and anyone who wants to communicate without being profiled. It provides email accounts, mailing lists, blogs, websites, chat and VPN access.
- nonethewiser 2mo ago[flagged]
- john_strinlai 2mo agothat would technically fall under the definition of "anyone", yes...
- nonethewiser 2mo ago[flagged]
- john_strinlai 2mo agoit would be more reasonable, maybe, if the sanctions weren't primarily being used for the anti-encryption, anti-privacy crusade.
- mrtesthah 2mo agoIs that more, or less, than the 1.2 million people Musk has killed so far with the illegal dismantlement of USAID? Musk aggressively advocates for the forcible ethnic cleansing of Europe. I see people posting links to x.com which he uses to promote those views as well as platform other hate groups calling for violence and genocide against immigrants, trans people, etc. Do acts gain moral validity under color of law alone?
- Mythli 2mo agowell USAID where I live finances regime changes and I guess these are very net negative in terms of lives killed. You see it everywhere.
- moron129 2mo agoDon't worry, the regime change part of USAID has been moved directly to Rubio in the State Department. Only the aid part has been removed.
- jst1fthsdys 2mo agoNED bucks are flowing again too.
- tremeouh0 2mo ago[dead]
- teiferer 2mo agoDo the US then also sanction themselves? Cause the numer of people they have killed in that region of the globe since 1984 easily exceeds that number by orders of magnitude. And the platform hasn't done any killing. They merely provide email etc. Are we going to sanction road builders too because a murderer has driven on their road since 1984?
- 32aGh 2mo agoThey should have hosted for Al Qaida and ISIS. Then they would have been invited to the White House and been sprayed with perfume by Trump: https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/11/12/donald-trump-ahmed-al-sharaa-syria-perfume-white-house/ https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/11/12/donald-trump-ahmed-al... "Al-Sharaa, who until recently was known by his alias "al-Julani," was a longtime jihadist who was part of the ranks of organizations associated with al-Qaida and ISIS, and even orchestrated an attack against Israel – milestones that led to his designation as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" by the US, with a reward of approximately $10 million for information leading to his capture. President Trump decided to lift the sanctions on al-Sharaa, who has transformed into a political leader following the collapse of the Assad regime in December, when he assumed Syria's presidency as the leader of Hayat Tahrir al-Sham."
- MSFT_Edging 2mo agoThis tidbit should show people how the line between "terrorist", "freedom fighter" and "useful lackey" is razor thin. You should never take the "terrorist" label at face value. The US funded the Mujaheddin in the 80s in Afghanistan. Their first moves upon receiving the weapons was to throw grenades through the windows if Girls' schools. They began as the "useful lackey", and the US lost control of the Wahabist movement that was amplified to fight Communism. Then they were "freedom fighters" to the religious extremists, and "terrorists" to fight a war against. In your own example, Al-Sharaa(a product of weaponizing Wahhabism) did actual terrorism, and then was able to squeeze back into the "useful lackey" position, like many "terrorist"s have before him.
- cindyllm 2mo ago[dead]
- deaux 2mo ago[flagged]
- Ar-Curunir 2mo agoThis entire thread you’ve been talking about the PKK with very little evidence in support.
- isityettime 2mo agoThe US sanctions the PKK because we're obliged to do so by our NATO ally Turkey, which gave rise to the PKK by carrying out a genocide against its local Kurdish population. Meanwhile the SDF, the armed wing of the PYD, follows the same ideology as the PKK and was trained in military tactics by the PKK, and was among our chief allies against ISIS. They fought alongside US soldiers and we even supplied them with small arms. The history of the PKK is complicated and the state they struggle against has a long history of genocide and (more recently) outright dictatorship. The relation of these countries to the PKK isn't ultimately determined by the PKK's history, morality, ideology, or even the use of terrorist tactics per se. If you're curious about the bigger picture, there's actually an organized movement whose aim is to "de-list the PKK" as a terrorist organization, and that's probably a good place to start: https://www.peaceinkurdistancampaign.com/activities/delist-the-pkk/ https://www.peaceinkurdistancampaign.com/activities/delist-t... There are also some books and some academic papers on the history of the PKK and their ideology. Those written by independent academics are generally neither fully condemnatory nor exculpatory towards the PKK, but give a clear sense of how the term "terrorism" and its use is at least contestable, geopolitical, etc. And any familiarity at all with the history of the conflict makes it clear that the Turkish government is likewise guilty of state terror conducted against Kurdish civilian populations in Turkey for generations now.
- flumpcakes 2mo agoIs it truly anyone, or only anyone that politically aligns with them?
- dudefeliciano 2mo agoObviously not to fascists, and if you look at their website they make it very clear that you need to align ideologically and explain why and how you will use their services
- culi 2mo agoAnyone that politically aligns with them. They say that explicitly: > We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism They don't receive any money for this. It's 100% volunteer services.
- p-e-w 2mo agoThen they are an activist group, not an “infrastructure provider” as claimed elsewhere in this thread, and holding them responsible for what their members do with the accounts they give them seems entirely fair.
- culi 2mo agoYou want them to be "held accountable" for supporting groups that don't align with the ideology of the US whitehouse.
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- p-e-w 2mo agoIf you select who you provide services to based on their ideology, you can’t shrug and say “I’m just an infrastructure provider, same as the electrical grid” when it turns out that some of those individuals committed crimes using the stuff you gave them. That’s a very different situation compared to the standard “sign up with your email here”. The provider is responsible because they picked their clients, rather than their clients picking them.
- NoboruWataya 2mo agoThe "About" page seems fairly clear: > A/I was born over 20 years ago to provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements.
- john_strinlai 2mo agoi thought the page says it pretty clearly. they are a group of people providing services to activists. services include email, web hosting, chat, and other anonymity services. (see https://www.inventati.org/services/ https://www.inventati.org/services/)
- gwbas1c 2mo agoDid you click on https://www.inventati.org/about https://www.inventati.org/about ? (I also tried reading the manifesto first.) From it: > We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism I suspect they have some "not mainstream" political views; although I think understanding what these views are requires more in-depth reading of the blogs that they host.
- mdp2021 2mo ago> some "not mainstream" political views I would say they are pretty "mainstream" (or very widespread) in some territories. I have seen bartenders wearing those 'anti-' terms on their t-shirts at work.
- culi 2mo agoAnti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, and anti-militarism? Good?
- mdp2021 2mo ago> Good? That will depend on what the bearers will want to mean with it, as usual.
- gwbas1c 2mo agoLabels (like anti-facism) often don't explain what the views are; they're just labels. We'd need to dig much deeper to understand what their views are. FWIW: I consider extreme leftists just as dangerous as the extreme right.
- jmalicki 2mo agoYeah, that says pretty much nothing about what they do. It reads like an enterprise tech company webpage saying "we provide solutions to help transform your company into the digital age".
- jpcfl 2mo agoIt is intentionally vague. From the State Dept: > The A/I Collective exclusively offers its tools and services to radical left-wing actors and manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure.
- KPGv2 2mo agoI don't trust the US State Department to tell the truth. At this point, it's like citing a Wikipedia edited entirely by bad faith actors.
- baobabKoodaa 2mo agoIn this case the US State Department is accurately reciting what this organization says about itself openly: https://www.inventati.org/about https://www.inventati.org/about
- culi 2mo ago> We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism. On top of that, one has to share our basic attitude towards money and the capitalistic world: a deep feeling of uneasyness and unrest. I don't see anything wrong with that. They make 0 money from this. It's 100% run by volunteers. They don't support any orgs that could afford to do it themselves. It's like if a group of you and your friends got together and gave tech support to any orgs that care about something you're passionate about (e.g. ending FPTP voting)
- baobabKoodaa 2mo ago[flagged]
- Arainach 2mo agoOpposing fascism and racism is not "radical left". It's centrism. The State Department's words are not A/I's.
- viccis 2mo agoThe US govt is trying to brand "antifascism" as a terrorist ideology. They host antifa stuff.
- includenotfound 2mo ago[flagged]
- logseman 2mo agoYou link to that press release like it means something more than changing a lake's name by fiat.
- pyth0 2mo agoAntifa is not one organization, that's ridiculous. It would be like claiming that "Anarchists" are a terrorist organization.
- includenotfound 2mo ago[flagged]
- SauciestGNU 2mo agoThe objection is the administration is inventing a group wholesale in order to designate those who oppose their policies as terrorists. The executive order can say whatever, that doesn't make it factual.
- feshbach 2mo ago[flagged]
- henearkr 2mo agoRidiculous. I am anti fascist, and I have never heard of any of what you are talking about. I oppose fascism. That does not magically infuse into my brain mysterious connections to groups of people, nor instantaneous knowledge and mastery of tactics from nazi groups... That would be actually kind of cool, but no, sorry to disappoint you.
- mechanicalpulse 2mo agoMaybe a honeypot?
- johnnyApplePRNG 2mo agoMost likely a honeypot.
- inigyou 2mo agoIf it was a honeypot it wouldn't be a sanctioned terrorist organisation.
- culi 2mo agoThe very first sentence on their about page says they "provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements" It also says their manifesto was written in 2002. You can use the Wayback machine to see older versions.
- doginasuit 2mo agoFor what it's worth, the people I have known personally who talk like this don't actually do very much except talk like this. Then again, they have never been sanctioned by a government.
- inigyou 2mo agoThese guys provide web hosting and stuff. If you knew people who actually did actions, they'd be right in not telling you about their actions until they really really trusted you to defend them with your life. Loose lips sink ships when you're going against a government.
- mzhaase 2mo agoThey're just anti-capitalist nerds, example, they host Linux user groups in a couple cities, collect computers for schools etc.
- Shuang1 2mo agoThere's a lot of talking around this in the comment section for some reason: they allegedly provide infrastructure for recognized terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Palestine Action (the group that attacked UK air force bases).