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Even w/the pricing spike, inflation adjusted we are back to roughly the prices of a new Mac SE/30 for something that can beat a turing test w/o sweating. I yie
by recursivedoubts 3mo ago
Even w/the pricing spike, inflation adjusted we are back to roughly the prices of a new Mac SE/30 for something that can beat a turing test w/o sweating.
I yield the floor to no one when it comes to pessimism, but that's incredible.
- intrasight 3mo agoYes. I commented elsewhere that it's only twice as expensive as my first mac which has 128kb.
- high_na_euv 3mo agoYou should compare with competition, not what was decades ago. E.g how is the perf/$ vs Wildcat lake
- jgalt212 3mo agowhen was the turing test beaten?
- goda90 3mo agoI think it was determined that the Turing test is too easy because humans are too easily fooled.
- bbor 3mo agoYes, which is exactly and entirely the point of the whole paper. Somehow missed still -- despite how important AI has become, shockingly few people actually read the short, layperson-accessible paper that started the whole field. I kinda have to link it now, so uhh here's a random PDF: https://www.hec.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Computing%20Machinery%20and%20Intelligence%20by%20Alan%20Turing.pdf https://www.hec.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Computing%...
- acchow 3mo agoHumans are equally fooled into believing each other are conscious.
- intrasight 3mo ago2050 I'm guessing
- Someone1234 3mo agoThe EU just had to pass a law to force companies to disclose if a customer service agent is AI or Human. It is beaten. https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/safer-and-more-transparent-ai-2026-08-02_en https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/safer-and-m...
- maximilianthe1 3mo agoCustomer service is very different. Crappiest audio quality possible & scripted answers all the way down. Almost like humans are forced to behave like machines.
- stavros 3mo agoNowadays, I prefer AI CS agents to humans. I just had a chat with an AI yesterday, it understood me perfectly even when I made mistakes, I was impressed. In contrast, humans tend to paste me the same barely-relevant macro over and over, no matter how much time I spend explaining my issue.
- rogerrogerr 3mo agoYeah, at least LLMs read everything you write (for now). Human first level support agents are incredibly frustrating if you have to explain anything with more than one logical step.
- AnotherGoodName 3mo agoAlso the endless online debates of ‘is this post made by ai? What about those images, that video or that music?’.
- thatjoeoverthr 3mo agoNobody thinks customer service agents are real, realistic or useful. EU just passes laws.
- jackjeff 3mo agoIf cars were just invented the EU would pass a mandate to ensure cars can’t have accidents.
- bnchrch 3mo agoAccording to Psychology today, April this year by GPT 4.5 https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-digital-self/202504/ai-beat-the-turing-test-by-being-a-better-human https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-digital-self/202...
- DougBTX 3mo agoApril last year
- 3836293648 3mo ago~1960 ELIZA beat the Turing test and then everyone forgot about it. Humans are just really terrible at recognising robots.
- simonh 3mo ago1966 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect It turns out the limiting factor isn't how sophisticated algorithms are, it's how gullible humans are.
- beardedetim 3mo agoI think of this and the book the author wrote Computer Power and Human Reason every time I try to talk to product about the short comings of LLMs
- ashetr 3mo agoWhat does that have to do with the Turing Test? The TT has clear rules: There are judges that have a dialogue with anonymized AI/humans. The humans cannot cheat and impersonate a machine, they have to act normally. The AI obviously should try to sound human. No AI would pass this test with experienced judges.
- frollogaston 3mo agoThe test doesn't say that the judge has to be experienced. But I also don't care if some random gullible person can't tell the difference. Nothing passes the Turing Test for me yet. Edit: Also doesn't say anything about who the human test subject is
- simonh 3mo agoOf course, and I'm sure OP wouldn't disagree with you, it was clearly a joke for emphasis. Some people round here need to clean and calibrate their humour detectors more often.
- frollogaston 3mo agoI wasn't responding to OP. I get the emphasis, the M6 Mac is very powerful.
- cortesoft 3mo ago
- shric 3mo agoIt depends who takes the test. I am not yet, to my knowledge, fooled by AI. I've tried [1] and I almost 100% detect which is the AI. I really want to convince myself I have failed, does anyone know of a better site/resource for this? I know it might be moving goalposts but I would consider AI to have passed in a well and truly undisputed manner when [2] is resolved. But in a more practical sense, if AI can impersonate humans so well today then why are state of the art frontier models so obviously AI when they create PRs, commit messages, documentation, etc. Are the companies deliberately making them unnatural? [1] https://turingtest.live/ https://turingtest.live/ [2] https://www.metaculus.com/questions/11861/date-when-ai-passes-difficult-turing-test/ https://www.metaculus.com/questions/11861/date-when-ai-passe...
- dmd 3mo ago“advanced LLMs like GPT-4”
- shric 3mo ago> "advanced LLMs like GPT-4" Not sure where you're quoting from but if it's the metaculus question comments, many of them are from 2023. The consensus is it will resolve in 2029. I believe it will not resolve before 2035.
- jayGlow 3mo agowe might need to bring back the Voight-Kampff test. anthropic at the very least is introducing a water making system to Claude which might make them more identifiable to humans as well as much easier to detect for machines.
- olmo23 3mo ago2001 according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
- mdp2021 3mo agoThe Turing test is more complex than what gets suggested. And the "popularized" version is faulty also since it uses an ideal, abstract human judge (like the "spheroidal economic agent"). But if you want to add declinations to the said popularized image of the Turing test, you may add Maxim Lott's IQ tests at trackingai.org . Between the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025 LLMs reached an equivalent IQ of 100, for example.
- mdp2021 3mo agoOr can we reframe it: when did humans start losing the (so-called) "Turing test". I think there are elements showing lowering of performance and expectation.
- Rover222 3mo agoare you living under a rock?
- JKCalhoun 3mo ago[dead]
- dannyw 3mo agoThe DRAM market is cyclical. I don’t think anyone truly knows when, but it will happen. Fab capacity is being bought online; there’s just lead time. Noticeably greater intelligence is being achieved at the same number of parameters (see: Qwen3.8). I think the future will be bright, it might be a matter of time. And for tinkers, a used Epyc + DDR4 server can be great fun and epic value.
- SSLy 3mo agoLooks like I'll be sporting my 5800X3D + DDR4 + 9070 XT gaming box for a little while. Too bad the CPU's ST is slower than my MB Air m4.
- pdpi 3mo agoI built a new PC about two years ago, and I probably got it at the last possible opportunity for a while. CPU and motherboard have come down by maybe £100 in between the two of them, but a 7900 xtx (or any other 24GB GPU) for under £1,000 now seems like a bargain, and £180 for 64GB of DDR5 makes me feel like an old man talking about the halcyon days.
- devmor 3mo agoI built my current PC the day that the AM5 platform released, for about $6k not including the 3090 I moved over from the previous rig. If I sold just the two sticks of RAM in it right now, it’d pay for nearly half of the total cost.
- raegis 3mo agoI bought a motherboard from Newegg in late 2024. It came with 16GB of RAM as a free "gift". The same RAM goes for $534 on Newegg today. It was $437 in January. Prices are still creeping up for this "throwaway" memory. I still have it, but never installed it because I only use ECC memory in my desktops. I'm saving it for a future Desktop in case memory prices never fall again.
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- bubblegumcrisis 3mo agoSigh.. Is there anything better now though? All I see from AI, is an amplification of the enshittification of the internet. And people being even more alone.
- runjake 3mo agoThen you’re either spending time in the wrong parts of the internet or doing things that don't fulfill you. These times are exciting and rough seas make good sailors. Find your path forward.
- ashetr 3mo agoWhat is exciting about getting pablum spoonfed by a data center owned by trillionaires? I'd rather go to the library and read a book.
- theoreticalmal 3mo agoYour legs broke? Go do that
- 2shag15 3mo agoWhat does it have to do with legs? This site has turned a mental hospital with AI patients.
- corysama 3mo agoIt's an expression. "You're legs broke?" here means "What's stopping you from going to the library and reading a book?"
- LevGoldstein 3mo agoIt's a grovel-for-investor-dollars site that we've long pretended is for serious technical discussion. Comments should always be filtered through that lens.
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- darreninthenet 3mo agoAn additional £1,000 for a 2TB drive is crazy though, rapidly takes the new Mac mini from a good price to a nuts price
- criddell 3mo agoConsidering hard drives were $10k / GB in the Mac SE/30 days, that feels like a bargain too.
- inigyou 3mo agoBut software also fit in 640kB instead of 640GB.
- bigfishrunning 3mo agoIt still can, but until very recently the motivation for keeping software small wasn't there. I'm still hoping the tide is coming in.
- aurmc 3mo agoSure, yes, compared to the prices of storage 35 years ago, it's a bargain. Compared to the prices of storage today, when people are presumably buying the product, it's actually a bad price.
- criddell 3mo agoSure, but this thread started with somebody pointing out that these computer prices are in line with Mac SE/30 prices. I'm just carrying that over to cover storage and it's even more amazing how much we get for so little money.
- SloopJon 3mo agoI happily booted and ran an Intel Mac mini using a 4TB drive in a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure, and I do the same for an M4 Max Mac Studio using an 8TB drive in a USB4v2 enclosure (OWC Express 1M2 80G). You'll just have to be careful to match the enclosure to the ports on the system. The base-model M6 Mac mini still uses Thunderbolt 4, so a USB4v2 enclosure would be wasted.
- Keyframe 3mo agoOn the higher end upgrade we're more like back to roughly SGI prices.
- afro88 3mo ago> something that can beat a turing test w/o sweating Ok I'll be that guy. It's pretty easy to figure out if you're talking to an LLM now we know it's tics, failure modes, jailbreak techniques etc
- formvoltron 3mo agoYo... the Se/30 was worth it. dual floppies was so lame
- TheRealPomax 3mo agoThere is nothing special about making a computer that's unaffordable, irrespective of whether it's 2026 or 1989. If anything, it just shows how little they're trying.