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Using icloud.com domain for legit and hidden adresses is such a typical Apple strategy of holding their own users and "others" (ie. other web services, other us
by hollow-moe 1mo ago
Using icloud.com domain for legit and hidden adresses is such a typical Apple strategy of holding their own users and "others" (ie. other web services, other users etc) hostage simultaneously. But at least here it is actually a good reason that works for the user.
- dilyevsky 1mo agohow is the user being held hostage? you can redirect hide my email addresses to any domain
- travoc 1mo agoMarketing turds can't just block registrations from all of @icloud.com.
- dymk 1mo agoThat doesn’t explain how the user is held “hostage” by Apple
- HeavenFox 1mo agoHostage may be a bad analogy. More like a game of chicken. Imagine you are a regular @icloud.com email user. Apple is basically saying "I dare you to block all @icloud.com email and lose all these customers"
- bobthepanda 1mo agoyou could say the same thing about AWS or Cloudflare hosting anybody and everybody. Spain actually started blocking a bunch of their IP blocks during football matches due to a poorly thought out legal decision.
- inigyou 1mo agoSo the website is being "held hostage", not the user.
- hollow-moe 1mo agoThe user is held hostage as much as the platforms because it's used as "currency" to force other sites to do things they may not want to, i.e. create accounts using private emails, and the platforms are held hostage by these same users expecting to be able to create accounts using their legit or private icloud emails. It looks like some kind of "who will break first", is there a service big enough to be able to block all icloud emails and it'd be a sufficient inconvenience to force apple to rethink how private email works ?
- N19PEDL2 1mo agoCan they block registrations from @private.icloud.com?
- cr3ative 1mo agoYes, they would have been able to if the proposal had gone ahead.
- aareet 1mo agoI think the other answers are misinterpreting your question. A user is held "hostage" because unlike fastmail where the format is word.salad@yourdomain; if you ever wanted to ditch iCloud completely, you'd have to go through every single account you used it for and update the email. As someone who has shed his gmail account I can tell you it's not easy to update email address on every site you've ever used it on. The issue people are raising is that apple doesn't let you use your own domain, and generate random emails at that domain. Not my complaint, but I can see the perspective.
- flyingshelf 1mo agoI mean, that is no different than any other provider. If you want to degoogle, you still have to go to each site and change your staticuser@gmail.com individually. Most users already do not use custom domains if that's the catch.
- pasc1878 1mo agoYes you can do word.salad@yourdomain with fastmail but that ius no different to other mail providers. What the above comments re fastmail is about their masked email service this gives addresses like <random>@fastmail.com so this is the same lockin as Apple with the same benefits of noone is going to block that domain.
- HeavenFox 1mo agoCase in point: many websites block all VPN except iCloud Private Relay. Thank you Apple!
- consumer451 1mo agoSeriously, Apple is "big tech," but they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all. And really, they put a lot of money and effort into it. We need to give kudos when they are due. Apple's Private Cloud Compute should have won some kind of Nobel Privacy Prize, which for some reason does not yet exist.
- refulgentis 1mo agoThe person you're replying to is saying "Sites I use block all VPNs besides Apple's subscription service VPN" - I'm not sure they're not blocking it just because they fervently believe in Apple's privacy commitments and engineering :) Only pointing this out because I love Apple's privacy story and don't want your reply to be misconstrued as sarcasm, and thus the reason why it enjoys a singular exemption is because its ineffective.
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- SkyPuncher 1mo agoI’ve never been under the impression that privacy relay is anything like a true VPN. I mostly thought it stopped BS that happens on public WiFi and public sniffing. It’s meant to protect you only until you get to a major carriers infrastructure.
- snazz 1mo agoThe design is supposed to be better than a true VPN, because neither Apple nor the exit node (Akamai, Cloudflare, Fastly) are supposed to know both who you are and what you’re doing. Of course, Apple pays them for this service, so they could exchange info.