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Hope the voters remember this for the next couple election cycles.
by goatlover 2mo ago
Hope the voters remember this for the next couple election cycles.
- fhdkweig 2mo agoThey didn't in the last couple. Those elections went 49% vs 51%. I don't hold out a lot of hope for the next couple. They feign surprise, but it isn't like it was a mystery as to what he was going to do. He campaigned on everything he is doing.
- edgyquant 2mo agoThe last few elections have been the most active in history, especially in 2020 essentially everyone voted.
- XorNot 2mo agoWhich should inform the credibility of anyone declaring one issue or another would definitely motivate voters to come out and vote for whatever policy they want to say is a winner: the last two elections, despite enormous new voter activation, the split in preference followed polling trends anyway. The great fiction of American politics at this point seems to be the belief that the non-voting population are definitely an election margin who'll definitely come and vote for you provided you support <commentators preferred policy here>.
- wild_egg 2mo agoYou're funny
- ragebol 2mo agoThey won't. Hope to be wrong though
- CamperBob2 2mo ago"But...but...but what about gender equity in high-school sports?" - Voters
- edgyquant 2mo agoSocial issues are just as important to voters as the economy and attacking them for caring about this issue, one that very clearly the people have asserted their opinion on, is dumb. If dems would stop dying in the hill of unpopular social policies they’d be winning more elections.
- CamperBob2 2mo agoIf dems would stop dying in the hill of unpopular social policies they’d be winning more elections. I don't disagree, fundamentally, but the voters are prioritizing minor issues that affect one in a million people over major issues that affect everyone. That's not good judgement, it's stupidity. It's why wedge issues work so well.
- Arodex 2mo agoIt's Republicans who are dying on the hill of unpopular policies. Nobody cares about men in womens sports to the point of dying from diarrhea or closing shop.
- afavour 2mo agoAnyone voting on the basis of the issue is the dumb one, sorry. It’s a manufactured controversy with only a handful of trans athletes (usually at high school level) in the entire country. It does not make the slightest difference to the lives of the vast, vast majority of voters. If you let it outweigh factors that actually affect your life then you’re a dumb voter.
- kube-system 2mo agoThe vast majority of voters don’t ever understand why they’re being screwed by economic policies, they just know when they are.
- dawnerd 2mo agoAnd they’re too dumb to remember who caused the problems and just blame the other team no matter what.
- kube-system 2mo agoThis is difficult even for experts paying attention because economics is cyclical and policies can take time to show their effects
- gmueckl 2mo agoThat's a part of the whole issue, isn't it? People have been trained to disregard (and disrespect) nuanced factual information un favor of political platitudes.
- greenavocado 2mo agoMany of the findings of mkultra and adjacent clandestine programs of the 20th century are about precisely how to steer the mindsets of large groups of people with psychological trauma.
- esseph 2mo ago> been trained to disregard (and disrespect) nuanced factual information I don't think anyone here was ever trained on nuance, so how are they going to separate that from political platitudes???
- Bombthecat 2mo agoAnd blame the other side lol
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- delusional 2mo agoI don't think it's helpful to suggest that "both sides" are equal in American politics, but I do think you have to be a least a little understanding that the democrats aren't an attractive alternative to most Americans. I'm afraid a pretty large minority of Americans have landed in the lose-lose position of "if i can't make it better, i might as well make it worse faster".
- rayiner 2mo agoMy Bangladeshi immigrant mom and her sister are complaining on Facebook that they were "good Democrats" until "Obama, AOC, and Bernie" brought their "radicalism." Democrats wave away this stuff as "performative," but people feel it viscerally and it subdivides and splits the coalition. Most people don't vote based on policies and data. They are naturally skeptical about whether your five-point plans are actually going to have the intended effect. Instead, they vote based on their assessment of your judgment and whether you broadly share their ideas about what "good" and "bad" are.
- ethbr1 2mo agoAnyone who says Obama, of all people, was radical clearly listens to too much Fox News and conservative talk radio (which is an entirely different problem). The only way Obama was objectively radical as a politician and president was the color of his skin.
- rayiner 2mo agoMy mom watches CNN and liked Obama as President. But my parsing of her comment—I haven’t talked to her about it, just saw it pop up when my aunt responded “me too, sister”—is that she views Obama as the patriarch so the buck stops with him to police the party messaging. This is maybe an odd view for an American but it makes sense within a Bangladeshi social context. And democrats are the ones who chose to cultivate an electoral map based on immigrants like my mom in states like Virginia and Michigan.
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- Eufrat 2mo agoVoters don’t go and actually look at the data themselves. They rely on pundits and the news to tell them the salient points. The problem is that the media has essentially lost most of its usefulness as a bulwark against the most egregious excesses of crony capitalism and cozied up to it instead. It feels like the Gilded Age again, but the people are somehow more insufferable. Cramming the “light of human consciousness into the stars” apparently requires we create CSAM generating machines powered by nitrogen oxide belching gas turbines. Even the folks at non-profit news outlets like Pro Publica have leadership that refuses to understand that it is difficult to prevent AI errors at scale. Nobody reviews drafts with such detail, we make a lot of assumptions, we trust that the person/machine is not feeding us trash. This is, of course, doesn’t even bring up the fact that a lot of people in the US now get their news—similar to folks in India via WhatsApp (that became such a problem that Meta was forced to curtail the number of forwards you could do in the app)—by passing trash, hate fueling articles around on social media.
- intended 2mo agoIn essence we took the grand market place of ideas, and then let it get completely owned by a few firms. The media, where it isn’t outright compromised, is dying to survive on any revenue stream. local news outlets which are the backbone of solving actual Issues for citizen are not profitable and dying. We have platforms, which instead incentivize for the largest viewer count, so local content is sacrificed at the altar of the zeitgeist.
- Merad 2mo agoI'm not sure how old you are, but shortly after Obama took office in 2009 there was quite a bit of reporting claiming that the Bush administration had been so disastrous and young people had been so thoroughly poisoned by Republican policies, that it would likely be a generation before the Republicans had the chance to win the presidency again. Remember, Bush left office in the depths of the Great Recession. Instead, it took less than 8 years for us to get MAGA.
- cco 2mo agoIn 2024 Trump got some of the youth vote, still not a majority. Trump never won Gen X (or at least Millennial) and below. So the prediction sounds right? The Republicans have burnt the youth vote pretty badly and have never really recovered.
- jcranmer 2mo agoIn the 2024 election, Trump's strongest margins appear to have been with Gen X, where he was roughly +10% over Harris, even stronger than his results among the Baby Boomers. (See, e.g. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patte... and https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls. Annoyingly, the polls don't cleanly break down into generations; Gen X would be the ~44-60 crowd for that election.)
- cco 2mo agoThank you for the correction! Does seem a little bit unclear given those age buckets but definitely enough to walk back my previous claim.
- BeetleB 2mo agoI don't know how old you are, but the MAGA movement is an offshoot of the Tea Party movement which, although begun under Bush, became massively popular under Obama. Sure, lots of people were not happy with Bush dragging the country into two wars, but most Republicans remained Republicans, and the angst (based on facts or otherwise) against Obama is what made the Tea Party Movement so big. (Of course, there was the whole social media thing that became huge around the same time, but the design of social media doesn't favor one side over another...)
- noja 2mo agoThe voters watch Fox. They will not see this.
- MisterTea 2mo agoThey won't. I have industrial clients who are financially eating shit from all this and they have posters of Trump hanging on their office wall while extolling his antics. The workers think the same way. We're boned unless these morons wake up (they won't.)
- api 2mo agoWhat is the hook for them?
- gensym 2mo agoIt's all cultural. It's pretty bonkers that you can tell who someone voted for in 2024 with a high degree of accuracy just by the shape of their sunglasses lenses.
- __turbobrew__ 2mo agoNow, I’m curious. What side wears which sunglasses?
- the_gastropod 2mo agoStraight arms (no curve around the ear), 95% chance the wearer is a Trumper.
- esseph 2mo agoExample: https://x.com/TheZackLethal/status/1270823526178664449 https://x.com/TheZackLethal/status/1270823526178664449
- __turbobrew__ 2mo agoSo aviators and oakleys I guess?
- solid_fuel 2mo ago> What is the hook for them? They like the way his administration has been terrorizing brown people. Dig in with any of these ~simpletons~ undecided voters and it’s literally that simple.
- coliveira 2mo agoHere's the problem: as bad as republicans are, democrat governments have the tendency to let most everything they did in place, and even add more as a way of playing a "bipartisan" game. The result is that democrat governments don't change the economy in any substantive way that can give a reason for people to support them.