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Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to
by karim79 2mo ago
Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly.
So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.
- EA-3167 2mo ago[flagged]
- nixon_why69 2mo agoWorth noting that proposal was stopped on animal rights grounds, rather than humam rights.
- EA-3167 2mo agoIt’s an injunction and arguably a legal pretext to stop it in its tracks. That’s not uncommon in any system, just like SCOTUS rulings often seem strangely specific to restrain the scope of their ruling. Tl;dr Lawfare is a thing and it’s effing everywhere.
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- Georgelemental 2mo agoYes, he is totally powerless, he merely controls the police and prison system. (BTW, the Israeli government just announced it plans to transfer law enforcement in the West Bank over to Ben-Gvir's police: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/14/israeli-military-plans-transfer-law-enforcement-in-occupied-west-bank-to-police https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/14/israeli-milita...)
- benregenspan 2mo ago> Ben-Gvir is loathed by 90% of Israeli society...Trump still has 33% approval Maybe that 90% number is for Tel Aviv. In national polls, they both have roughly the same approval rating.
- vintermann 2mo agoI have a long-held feeling with Trump that his most ardent haters don't hate his specific policies, merely that he's so gauche about it, that he has no class. I have no doubt that Ben-Gvir has a similar segment of haters in Israel. They want the same things, but they don't want to do it in the style of a leering hooligan fishing for a fistfight.
- williamdclt 2mo ago> I have a long-held feeling with Trump that his most ardent haters don't hate his specific policies, merely that he's so gauche about it, that he has no class. A bit of an extraordinary belief to hold, to be honest
- kakacik 2mo agoFrom what I can see, most people hate trump as a solid bloc. The fact that he, as every populist everywhere in past centuries, pointed out to some real problems but didn't do a squat about it when he came to power and in his case massively worsened the situation, is hard to escape from. He certainly didn't rise above other populists in this. His form is just a tiny cherry on top of very big rotting cake. Make form smooth and underlying crap won't change a bit. Hating trump ain't emotional, purely rational approach is sufficient.
- vintermann 2mo agoDefinitively not a solid block. It's tempting to believe that, but no, John Bolton probably hates quite different things about Trump from you (and definitively from me). A lot of the opposition both outside the republican party and inside (such as it is), is probably entirely fine with bombing Iran for instance. Not mad he's bombing it, mad he's bungling it.
- wat10000 2mo agoWhat specific policies? He's mostly impulsive, doing whatever comes to mind at any given moment, with no long-term consistency. The one exception that comes to mind is his policy of flooding the country with untrained, unrestrained ICE agents, and I do not approve of that one.
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- kakadu 2mo agoDoes it matter?
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- ceejayoz 2mo agohttps://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netanyahu-53f98e92686746f3c9bccd7cf59f26ad https://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netany... > “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister,” he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.” The man used to have a shrine to a mass murderer in his home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir > Ben-Gvir is known for being a provocateur and has attracted headlines for a variety of reasons: threatening Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on live television in 1995 shortly before his assassination; having had a portrait in his living room of Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist and mass murderer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacr...)...
- user43928 2mo agoIf you hear extraordinary claims, such as the comment above that claims Ben-Gvir called for the daily killing of 30-40 Palestinians, you should ask not only for solid evidence but also context. I am not at all surprised that it was a comment about the targeted assassination of terrorists, or people who participated in the October 7th terrorist attack, or something like that. These tactics are obvious. Take a quote out of context, omit the part that points at the real context ("targeted assassination") and tack on "Palestinians" instead, so that it sounds like a clear call to murder civilians. Do you not think we should aim for higher standards in discussion on here? It reminds me of headlines claiming Trump threatened a blood bath [for the auto industry] if he isn't elected. How gullible do people who quote out of context think we are?
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- karim79 2mo agoHe's not talking about Hamas. Nice try.
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- karim79 2mo ago"The Problem". Interesting. What is "The Problem"?
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- virgildotcodes 2mo agoWhy are we even playing games about implications when we can see the empirical fact that the admin’s policies on Palestine over the last years have been to carpet bomb people?
- aa-jv 2mo agoPeople hate children being murdered more than anything else. The fact you can't see that is because, you yourself, have a hatred mask on.
- GordonS 2mo agoEh... The full quote is even worse, making it plain he's talking about everyone in Gaza: “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat – there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.” It's absolutely plain as day that Ben Gvir is genocidal. Bots pushing fake propaganda indeed!
- yoavm 2mo ago[flagged]
- x3ro 2mo agoSo this is not what he said [1]? What did he say, then. I’m assuming you must know. [1]: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ben-gvir-calls-killing-30-044223107.html https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ben-gvir-calls-killing-30-04422310...
- yoavm 2mo agoI'm assuming you're asking genuinely so I will answer. For context, I'm originally Israeli, but I only heard about this from this HN thread. He was apparently on a podcast with a released hostage from Gaza. He was discussing targeted assassinations. One doesn't "target" an innocent person. He indeed said that we should target not only those that are an "immediate threat". I'm guessing he meant people who took part in October 7th's attack but are not currently fighting, for example prisoners of the hostage he was talking with. Many in Israel thinks the US forced Israel to stops many of its operations in Gaza, and he was basically saying he thinks some operations should continue. To clarify, I disagree with him, I'm glad IDF operations in Gaza largely stopped and I wish they stopped completely. I wish the best for ordinary citizens of Gaza and I am longing for the day Ben Gvir will be behind bars. But he did not say we should randomly kill 30-40 Palestinians per day. There is an armed conflict, and many people on both sides would unfortunately love to see tens of deaths on the other side per day, especially armed people.
- skrebbel 2mo agoFwiw I appreciate this context. My national news site (usually pretty trustworthy, and scary neutral wrt the Israel/Palestine situation, which I know because they’re constantly under fire from both sides) pulled this out of context in exactly the same way.
- yoavm 2mo agoThanks for writing, it's nice to be reminded that some people actually read the comments here. I think the signal you pointed out is a very important one and I use the same one. Back when I was living in Israel I took part in organizing the shared memorial day event for Israelis and Palestinians. Both sides thought we were crazy, and therefore I concluded we must be doing something right.
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- ccppurcell 2mo agoDo you believe that 30 to 40 Palestinians per night pose an immediate threat? Elsewhen in history, genocidal acts have been justified by claiming a non existent immediate threat (of disease, of economics, of fifth columnists, of terrorism).
- nailer 2mo agoYes, obviously Hamas is many times more than this size. Obviously genocide doesn’t apply here because the population of Gaza has increased.
- RobertoG 2mo agoIs not this the guy that wanted to put crocodiles in prisons, but was stopped by the Israeli society because it was bad for the crocodiles? Israel is becoming so crazy, that it would be funny if the result was not so terrible for the people targeted.
- moogly 2mo agoLiar. > “Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.”[1] [1]: https://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netanyahu-53f98e92686746f3c9bccd7cf59f26ad https://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netany...
- nailer 2mo agoThe point still stands, he is discussing taking out members of Hamas. These people are mass murderers and rapists, intending on planning more attacks, and are not worthy of life.
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- notenlish 2mo agoBruh
- RobertoG 2mo agoAh, sure. Only terrorists. We feel better now. You mean the guy (a minister in the current Israeli government, by the way) that said in a post on X: “for every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers should cry. All of Lebanon must burn!” that guy?
- danmaz74 2mo agoAnd he is a minister in Israel's government, not some rando. Israeli governments and actions in the last many years are simply indefensible.
- A_D_E_P_T 2mo agoIt's legitimately weird to see anybody defend them, as the immorality is out in the open. The past few years have really opened my eyes to the nakedly tribal nature of democratic politics. Polybius was largely correct when he said that it inevitably degenerates into oligarchy or mob-rule -- but what's especially unfortunate is that the US and Israel appear to be getting both at the same time: A naked oligarchy with just enough mob rule to keep the animal spirits of the populace sated.
- pydry 2mo agoIt really disturbed me discovering how many nominally liberal people who would react in horror at casual use of the n word are quite comfortable with genocidal racism.
- buellerbueller 2mo agoHell, those folks react in horror at literally quoting the n-word as written in "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn."
- throw10920 2mo agoUse-mention distinction is lost on a lot of people. It's a useful test for whether someone is reacting to a word (e.g. "damn") out of pure emotion and conditioning, or whether they're acting rationally.
- buellerbueller 2mo agoNever heard the name of that concept before (though obviously am aware of it). Thanks for enlightening me today!
- perpetualpear 2mo agoWhen such statements/actions are attributed to Ben-Gvir, I assume they and the objective nuanced truth are basically the same. I find it wild how people who are not like him defend him.
- rbanffy 2mo agoI find it disappointing that people I once respected revealed themselves to be like him.
- basisword 2mo agoGiven all that they do in public it’s terrifying to imagine the secret stuff we have no idea about.
- thrance 2mo agoBen-Gvir's first date with his wife (who was 15 then, when he was 26) was at the grave of Baruch Goldstein, a mass-murder that killed 29 Palestinians. Ben-Gvir kept a portrait of the guy in his office for years. Zionists want you to believe the conflict began on October 7th, when people like him have been running Israel for a long time.
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2mo ago> Ben-Gvir used to have a portrait of Goldstein hanging in his living room. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221027-israel-s-far-right-leader-ben-gvir-wins-adoring-young-fans https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221027-israel-s-far-... Also interfering to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein
- culi 2mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass
- hjkl0 2mo agoThe extremist right-wingers may not be in power in Israel for long. But the lies and propaganda are just as prevalent in the left here too.
- hereme888 2mo agoLiar. That's not what he said. He was explicitly talking about terrorists, not civilians.
- copper-float 1mo ago> “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister,” he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even human." Sorry, but there's absolutely no way to defend such a disgusting person. It's ironic how much they pull the Nazi card for sympathy, yet they are the closest to genuine Nazis that I've ever seen in terms of hatred and desire for genocide. Truly unforgivable actions by the state of Israel.