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I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionalit
by dinkleberg 2mo ago
I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, so just gate that piece. It is rather unfortunate.
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- jesterson 2mo agoThis got me mad too. And also restrictiveness of it - i can't see messages - WTH seriously? Why some tech stuff decides what is "safe"? (i guess it was the main driver)
- goalieca 2mo agoI was very upset about this. I had a rental car and I needed to enter on the map where I wanted to go. Even with a damn keyboard it wanted Siri. It’s just gps and i had to dig my phone out and do the typing there instead.
- klausa 2mo agoThis only happens (should happen?) when you're moving, when stationary there is a keyboard that appears; which feels like a reasonable safety precaution for me.
- jacquesm 2mo agoThat's why I'm all for appliances. Stuff should just shut up and have buttons all these arguments with hardware are getting very tiring.
- sublinear 2mo agoFallback states are generally a ton of work that don't benefit the direction that the PM or broader business would want to go anyway. It's a pet peeve of mine that we often say "devs" when we really mean "the business". It seems to be gamers who started this language. They'll even call the publisher "the devs".
- encom 2mo agoA developer made whatever tech is currently pissing me off. I don't care about the supply chain.
- sublinear 2mo agoHow do you feel about other hot button issues like LLMs, privacy policies, Flock cameras, etc.? By your reasoning, developers "make" those things too. My point is just to make sure we're pointing the blame at the business where it belongs. It seems very strange how we generally do that, but make exceptions for features. Developers don't control features either. Always blame the business. This language around "devs" is so twisted and inconsistent that I'm convinced someone is seeding this every time to deflect blame. i.e. "oops just a slip up by the devs" as if features could ever be anything but a massive premeditated effort involving dozens if not hundreds of people planning at least several months ahead of any code being written. If you want to make a difference, you look at who is running the business. It means what a lot of fanboys cannot admit to themselves. Their favorite companies and CEOs might just be assholes.
- encom 2mo agoI don't want to Godwin this thread so early, but you know what analogy I'm thinking of. If you work as a developer for Google, Microsoft, Flock, CloudFlare, Facebook etc. etc. you are complicit in making the world a crappier place. Did J. Random Hacker at Google decide to ruin Android app development[1] for everyone? No, but he made it happen. I hate that guy. (Also.) [1] Edit: I'm referring to this nonsense: https://keepandroidopen.org/ https://keepandroidopen.org/
- sublinear 2mo agoYou choose to have that perspective and be subject to that locus of control. Where do you really draw the line? How do you feel about money? How do you feel about eating to stay alive? Ultimately, this is not a philosophy debate. If you're confused about what work is, that's your own problem. The business is still to blame.
- mark_l_watson 2mo agoOn our car I can hook up my iPhone via Bluetooth to listen to audio books and music, bypassing carplay.
- semiquaver 2mo agoApple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.
- skinfaxi 2mo agoWould be interesting to see anti competition law applied here, too. Essentially bundling the two together, leveraging the market for car play to gain adoption for Siri.
- cryzinger 2mo agoInterestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).
- netsharc 2mo agoI got the email that they're burying Assistant in September... I use it on the phone to set alarms, add tasks or calendar events, I swipe up on the home screen to launch the app, and talk. For calendar, speech ("add calendar event dentist appointment on September 22 at 4pm") is even much more convenient than scrolling to the right month/date, using the UI to pick the time. I'm currently vibe-coding a replacement app to use on-device speech recognition and setting alarms or adding calendar events. Sadly third party apps can't add stuff to Google Tasks without further interaction (or without OAuth) like Assistant/Gemini can.
- deepsun 2mo agoMoreover, you cannot turn off Auto, as it will forcefully turn on WiFi even if you explicitly disable it.
- dataflow 2mo agoIs every utilization of CarPlay inside a car performed "while driving"?
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- fragmede 2mo agoWith Apple intelligence turned on, when I take a screenshot on my iPhone, it wants me to do this search that goes to temu, instead of the text selection that it used to do. So I turned it off, but I have to turn it back on to have auto translation in iMessage.
- andrekandre 2mo agoyes! i just did this today as well. the product direction at apple is completely messed up imo
- john_strinlai 2mo agoi feel relatively comfortable with carply + basic siri, leaving apple intelligence off. basic siri is pretty limited in scope of what it has access to and what it can do. while it's an arbitrary line ive drawn, basic siri doesn't feel like "ai" in the same sense as context-aware assistants do for me.
- mrtesthah 2mo agoI’ve never once been able to use CarPlay because I objected to Siri uploading information about my contacts list unencrypted to Apple’s servers.
- john_strinlai 2mo agoit's a bit more nuanced than you are making it out to be, but that's absolutely a fine and understandable choice to make.
- JackFr 2mo agoI used CarPlay yesterday with Siri disabled. Am I missing something?
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- fl0id 2mo agoIs this maybe dependent on country? I have used carplay, and don't have siri enabled.
- MoreQARespect 2mo agoI had a similar experience when I tried to search through reviews on amazon on the mobile website. The search box is gone and you're supposed to ask Rufus now.
- andrekandre 2mo ago> you're supposed to ask Rufus now completely off-topic but the names they give these dumb ai tools is so cringe
- fragmede 2mo agoWhat would you call it?
- gesis 2mo agoUseless. I would call it useless.
- mancerayder 2mo agoDufus is how it automatically maps when I say it out loud.
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- drdexebtjl 2mo agoSpotify on CarPlay is absolutely miserable because of this. No search, no album or artist pages, only “ask Siri”. I’m not even mad that there’s no keyboard, I will happily use voice dictation instead. Instead, what you get is essentially an “I’m feeling lucky” button that fails unless you want to listen to a specific playlist.
- wayne-werwolf 2mo agoI agree it works terrible. If I say "I want hear album X from artist Y" it replies with "Here is 'This is Y' playlist", or worse "This is Z by D". This is especially annoying if I drive with someone who requests music. Eventually, I always end up pulling up my phone at the stopping lights. Kind of makes me miss the Old Ways (CD player, or AUX in).
- LetsGetTechnicl 2mo agoI'm not excited for iOS 27. I tried out the beta and decided to reset my phone to get my back to iOS 26. I find the new Siri is far worse and slower to respond, if that's even possible. It also adds new features that are hard to remove. I only use it for timers and playing music and the current Siri is just fine for that imo.
- cgyvbunji 2mo agoI don't understand why anyone likes CarPlay. It has always seemed like people like it because it's better than nothing. It's just not a good system in an objective sense.
- starkrights 2mo agoWhat does “not a good system in an objective sense” even mean? In what objective measures do you see it fail in? I and basically everyone I know love it because it and android auto are made by actual UI/UX designers that aren’t embedded systems engineers- resulting in an infotainment screen that isn’t a complete and utter piece of shit, and has actual functionality. I use my phone for everything in my car anyways, especially navigation, which historically is not included in a cars infotainment system without subscription and/or vendor lock. In that one singular regard, CarPlay is literally infinity percent better than every single built in infotainment system, because I can use my fucking cars built in screen instead of my tiny phone display to navigate using software that is infinitely more well made than whatever shit is on my cars native system (a brief note: my angry tone is not directed at you or your lack of agreement with my opinion, but at how awful I perceived the car infotainment systems of yore to be. God they were useless.) For every objective measure I can come up with in my head and not type out, it passes with flying colors compared to the alternative- so I’d love to know where your perception differs.
- cgyvbunji 2mo agoSee how defensive people get about CarPlay? Why so emotionally invested? It's buggy and sucks when you are driving someone else's car or a rental. You proved my point too, which is that it's liked because it's better than everything else, not because it's objectively good.
- starkrights 2mo ago“I don’t understand why people love it so much” and “the system has friction that could be improved” are two extremely different statements with vastly different communications. While it may be constructive to point out and discuss that, hey CarPlay has deficiencies and really could stand to be improved in XYZ way, vaguely gesturing at CarPlay and saying “I don’t get why people love this so much” and tacitly implying they’re wrong or stupid for doing so, is just unhelpful. If you’d have started the whole conversation with “I get why people appreciate the improvement, but CarPlay still sucks because it doesn’t work well in vehicles you don’t own”, we’d be having an entirely different conversation right now, actually discussing and commiserating the downsides and technical limitations that Apple should definitely fix. But alas, the message implied by “why do people like this if it’s objectively bad”, is that said people are stupid- not that we should do it. And “objectively bad” is also super broad, and dismissive of the all of the things that a lot of people probably consider objectively good, like the decoupling of updates from auto manufacturers, and some of the UI/UX behavior hereto undescribed. I wasn’t so much fervently defending “my baby” as I was: explaining “why people love it so much”, which was the question asked; bitching about the systems of yesteryear because they sucked ass more notably than CarPlay does, at least imo; and objecting to the premise of your discussion hook for being vague and (very mildly) inflammatory. Your response is also inflammatory. Id have loved to complain about the downsides of CarPlay and where it fails, but you basically just called me a whiny fanboy for, at the core of my response, objecting to a contentless question.
- thejosh 2mo agoYes, the "okay if you want to disable AI, we're going to remove non-AI features" paradigm that Gmail is also doing.
- everdrive 2mo agoYou know what the solution is, don't you? You need to stop using your phone for things. At least as much as you can. Apple or Google are going to build the device that makes sense for them. If you get comfortable, or find a workaround, they will change things in the future -- in their favor, and against your interests. You have other options right now: use an aux cable, play music over bluetooth, listen to the radio, purchase $30 MP3 player, pay attention to your thoughts rather than music, etc.