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The numbers in question are quite wild[0] > The NOAA assessment estimated the Pacific sardine biomass will be at 27,547 metric tons by the summer – significant
by arjie 2mo ago
The numbers in question are quite wild[0]
> The NOAA assessment estimated the Pacific sardine biomass will be at 27,547 metric tons by the summer – significantly less than the 150,000 metric tons needed to reopen the fishery to commercial fishing. Any fishery at less than 50,000 metric tons is considered to be overfished. The assessment estimates the sardine biomass was around 1.8 million metric tons in 2006.
Haha, damn. Fishermen must have visibly noticed such a decline. 1,800,000 metric tons to 27,000 metric tons. Two orders of magnitude. Wow.
0: https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/environment-sustainability/controversy-descends-on-pacific-sardine-fishery-over-stock-surveys https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/environment-sustainabilit...
- ydat 2mo ago[dead]
- ra 2mo agoIt's a terrible picture almost everywhere you look. The Antarctic krill population is facing a similar decline due to influencer marketing (promoting Krill as a superior omega 3 supplement). Sardines and Krill are the foundation of the entire oceanic food ecosystems. This is not good.
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- flohofwoe 2mo ago> ...decline due to influencer marketing... As terrible as the influencer scourge is for society, I somehow doubt that it was a 3 day social media fad a couple of weeks or months ago caused the collapse of ocean wildlife.
- thrance 2mo agoSure, a bunch of influencers have been responsible for the past century of overfishing and destruction of marine ecosystems.
- inigyou 2mo agoSome enterprising entrepreneur will realise there are still 27,547 metric tons left to sell, and capitalism will be saved!
- jiggawatts 2mo agohttps://imgur.com/all-these-photos-were-taken-on-same-dock-after-fishing-trips-same-waters-1958-to-2007-rrq5UPD https://imgur.com/all-these-photos-were-taken-on-same-dock-a...
- card_zero 2mo agoYou might consider how hunter-gatherers (probably) ate all the mammoths, and other elephant-alikes, and the giant kangaroos. I mean capitalism isn't crucial to making humans immoderate although I suppose it gets them better boats.
- annzabelle 2mo agoThe Māori ate all the Moa before Europeans showed up, and they had some pretty damn good boats before capitalism. Not disagreeing or anything, just thought it was a funny anecdote.
- card_zero 2mo agoThere's some kind of tacit ideological downvote gunfight going on in this thread. Run for cover!
- red-iron-pine 2mo agoits a startup incubator, capitalism is why they here
- riffraff 2mo agoThe book "not the end of the world" by Hanna Ritchie makes a neat point that humans have never lived in what we would call a sustainable way, but it's possible for this generation to be the first one that does.
- specialp 2mo agoWhen a fishery crashes, it is dramatic and takes a long time to recover if ever. There's been plenty of fisheries like cod that one could not conceive being depleted but it has been now for decades. Estimates of catches, mortality, existing stock are prone to error because we don't really know much about how fish live and their overall population. But once that crash happens it is known and too late. Cod crashed in 1992 and still hasn't recovered
- rukuu001 2mo agoYes, seen this happen in Tasmania, Australia with crayfish, scallops and orange roughy. Each went from free-for-all to highly managed quotas within a few years. Roughy fishing stopped completely back then, don't know what the status is now. > we don't really know much about how fish live and their overall population Absolutely yes. Orange roughy is a good example - it was caught by trawlers when they were massed in huge balls near the surface. Easy to get a big catch quickly. Turns out this was when they were spawning, so breeding cycle was being interrupted, which led to catastrophic declines very quickly.
- 2b3a51 2mo agoMy understanding is that the cod fishery decline in Atlantic waters has had limited recovery because the ecological niche that the cod fish occupied has been taken over to some extent by a small shark species. The wikipedia page mentions 'trophic cascade' so larger populations of prey species but does not mention the shark takeover. Either way cutting the harvesting won't bring the fish back.
- Frieren 2mo ago> because the ecological niche that the cod fish occupied has been taken over to some extent by a small shark species. That is very interesting, I wish this kind of things were taught in school. Too many people think that animals just exists in the current state for ever. When in reality it is a dynamic system that once changed cannot be brought back.
- awakeasleep 2mo agoWe need to restart oceanic iron fertilization! https://repository.library.noaa.gov/view/noaa/24479 https://repository.library.noaa.gov/view/noaa/24479
- vkou 2mo agoThat's what happened to the Atlantic cod fishery. The biologists kept warning of collapse, the relevant regulators didn't want to piss off the fishermen, and didn't institute necessary restrictions, and then the fishery collapsed. The fishermen, of course, blamed the dab gum gubmbent for getting in their business. Anything but taking responsibility for their actions.
- BrtByte 2mo agoI can imagine fishermen noticing the change long before it showed up as an empty shelf at a supermarket
- trevithick 2mo agoThe overfishing situation seems dire across many species. I read that Mitsubishi is deep-freezing tuna in anticipation of its extinction. I don't know if that's actually their motivation, but they are definitely involved in tuna procurement. https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/sustainability/social/supplychainmanagement/files/en_soc_supplychainmanagement_001_004.pdf https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/sustainability/social/s... https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/sustainability/social/supplychainmanagement/files/en_soc_supplychainmanagement_001_007.pdf https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/sustainability/social/s...
- georgeecollins 2mo agoI don't know about the future, but it used to be that sardines were a fish that was not over fished because they weren't that popular. Of course that could change. Anecdote, not data: I picked up the habit of eating sardines from my Dad who is 97 years young. It's not that he doesn't eat bad stuff, its just that in my lifetime I see evidence that many of the things he ate were healthier than we thought.
- dredmorbius 2mo ago"Cannery Row" in Monterey, CA, famous from John Steinbeck's stories set there (including an eponymous book), was initially a sardine fishery opened in 1902, peaked in 1946 at 142,282 tons, falling one year later to 26,818 tons. Most canning factories closed in the late 1940s and early 1950s. By 1973 the last cannery closed, and was no longer packing sardines but a mix of tunay, anchovy, and mackerel. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannery_Row https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannery_Row>
- chicken-stew 2mo agoAnother item on the Soylent Green checklist.
- euroderf 2mo agoYou think that's algae you're eating ?
- m0llusk 2mo agoAnd that is what remains of the Pacific sardine fishery. It used to be that sardines were plentiful all around Monterey, but during WWII fishermen used improved sensors to track down and remove all schools of sardines until they were gone. Since then attempts to reintroduce sardines to that stretch of California coast have all failed. This is a really huge loss to the whole ecosystem there.
- timcobb 2mo agoThis is pretty horrible... looks like we'll be eating rabbits and insects in no time.
- zorobo 2mo agoI used to eat rabbit often until the 2000’s. Most butcher shops in France had rabbit, presented skinned, gutted and whole. Pretty good meat! A colleague was even including rabbit in the «poultry» category …
- anon84873628 2mo agoWell, it is very lean meat, most similar to chicken IMO :-D They do have the best livers. Unfortunately in the US I can only find them from fancy suppliers that are way overpriced. But if I were going to raise something in the backyard, it would be cuy...
- giardini 2mo agoLearn to hunt. Anyone who farms will be glad to let you hunt on their land, especially if you give them a few rabbits.
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- euroderf 2mo agoIf not vice-versa.
- robocat 2mo agoWatch out for acute malnutrition. "Rabbit starvation: Why you can die even with a stomach full of lean meat": https://theprepared.com/blog/rabbit-starvation-why-you-can-die-even-with-a-stomach-full-of-lean-meat/ https://theprepared.com/blog/rabbit-starvation-why-you-can-d... https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity
- port11 2mo agoPortugal almost made some fisheries extinct, we had to severely curtain fishing and still sardines would show up in the markets. I think fishermen notice, but they’re also incentivised to continue fishing because the price starts going up?
- damnesian 2mo agooh well, data centers are far more important than the world's food supply. now get off the internet and back to making more gigantic diesel generators.