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> We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version t
by mancerayder 3mo ago
> We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version to be worse.
I actually relate to that. It used to be cool and exciting to update to see what new things are coming for free. I was just looking up what Fedora Workstation 45 might bring.
Updates on phones, TV's, cars and non-Linux operating systems on PC's/laptops are downright scary to me now. What will they add that I don't want? What more connectivity to the external world are they going to wire in?
MacOS lost everyone's trust by ruining the experience, but even before it happened that trying to resize a window makes it feel like life will be at 80 years-old, hunting a tiny invisible border, even before that there wasn't anything exciting.
What Microsoft I think did (and I can't prove it), before I moved off of Windows 11, was to bundle all changes in "required security updates." So you have no choice but to update (or go through special settings to turn it off, or just defer it), but when the machine comes back you have a new Welcome prompt to some new connectivity to something nefarious. AI features I never asked for, that's the most recent dark pattern here.
- thewebguyd 3mo ago> was to bundle all changes in "required security updates." Kind of...Cumulative Security Updates on Patch Tuesday still do not contain new OS features, and on pro editions of windows you can at least, last time I used Windows (maybe this changed?), still skip quality updates & feature updates. What Windows does do is tie all the "connected experiences" crap to out of band updates via the store/AppX packages which background update automatically, so when you reboot after a patch windows will run its post update OOBE and push all those features agian/turn them on. So technically not bundled with security updates, but a dark pattern that disrespects users nonetheless.
- basilikum 3mo agoNot exactly the same, but Microsoft shipped the "Backup" or some similar name software that is actually just a OneDrive client in a Windows 10 LTSC update. LTSC is specifically for not getting such feature updates. They also changed the folder icons in the graphical shell at some point.
- hamandcheese 3mo ago> > We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version to be worse. You know what software doesn't fill me with dread to update? FOSS. Proprietary software isn't built for users anymore. But (some) FOSS still is.
- dosisking 3mo agoUpdating glibc is a huge pain. Using a new version of gcc or clang can cause a lot of problems. I try to avoid updating those.
- consp 3mo agoI've had plenty of issues with old bundled GCC compilers which were fixed in later versions. I'm feeling this is a psychological thing, not necessarily software related. (Doesn't invalidate the feeling though)
- Chu4eeno 3mo agoIt has to be a pain, everything depends on them (or rather, should, you still have holdouts like go fucking up things like NSS, holding back posix_spawn etc.). In their defense the people working on glibc and gcc are pretty intelligent and spend a lot of time thinking about how everything they do affects their users, though they make mistakes like all humans (and LLMs I should say by now).
- zem 3mo ago> You know what software doesn't fill me with dread to update? FOSS. speak for your clearly non-pulseaudio-using self (:
- altruios 3mo agopulse audio's pain points were in setup for me, and in setup alone. using it has been a breeze.
- lofaszvanitt 3mo agoAI is here, time to create something new and shiny.
- TacticalCoder 3mo ago> AI is here, time to create something new and shiny. The AI we have in 2026 cannot do that or it'd have already been done. I use AI daily: it saves some time. But it produces an infinite amount of insecure, unnecessary, sloppy-pasta. And that sloppy-pasta doesn't make software any better.
- Citizen_Lame 3mo agoAI is fine, if the thing you want to produce is relatively small and self-contained. But as soon as you have real, complex project is falls apart. Perhaps when we reach 10M tokens context this will change.
- lofaszvanitt 3mo agoThat's why you, the human, are in the loop. Sloppy pasta can be avoided with careful prompting.
- xingped 3mo agoYep, this 100%. When I see a "pending update" notification or icon somewhere, the first thing I think is "I don't want to update, they're just going to break something new". I _hate_ updates now. Doesn't matter what software it is, with the small exception of video games. (Except Dead By Daylight. Behavior, the devs, are the most hilariously incompetent devs on the planet, but at least their incompetence is confined to their own game.)
- zrobotics 3mo agoThe only software I've been excited about an update for in years has been games, that seems like the only category where devs actually add features people are excited about. For example, the latest KCD2 patch added a fun but brief new quest [0]. Not universal though. Besides your example, even for single player games patches can be basically malicious. I've had Fallout 4 locked on updates for like 3 years at this point, everything Bethesda has added has degraded the experience for zero upside. But I can't think of any software besides a game where I have been anything but dreading an update in years. Slack wants to update? Great, it'll probably break/degrade my work flow in some minor way, and they're one of the lesser offenders on my work machine. [0] https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/23914554/ https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/23914554/
- formerly_proven 3mo agoI really look forward to new Fedora releases.
- risyachka 3mo agoThe only way something can be “solved” if it is eliminated. Otherwise it is never solved.
- customguy 3mo agoYou can solve a puzzle, but what would "eliminating" a puzzle even mean?
- chongli 3mo agoSoak it in nitric and sulfuric acid, let it dry, then light it on fire?
- customguy 3mo agoA riddle is not a physical thing but okay, let's say you want to destroy an instance of a riddle that is in a book: how do you know it's in that book without looking, and therefore copying the riddle into your own mind? This is known as the Pink Streisand Paradox.
- chongli 3mo agoYour comment said puzzle. I usually think of those things as made of cardboard or wood (really fancy ones), i.e. jigsaw puzzles. Since they're made of cellulose, you can turn them into nitrocellulose and then burn them very quickly! I do love the Pink Streisand Paradox though. I think the solution involves technology: you build a riddle-recognizer that scans the book for you and tells you whether or not the riddle is present, without telling you the words of the riddle. But that further raises the question: how do you know it's the riddle you're looking for? How do you know what riddle you're looking for if you don't know the riddle itself?
- customguy 3mo agoSure, but when I said a puzzle I was thinking of something more abstract, like software development getting solved. To be nitpicky, I'd say without a mind to pose a question nothing in the material world by itself is a puzzle. It's just some cardboard or wood with no meaning. When the last person who can read is gone, is a book still a book? My knee-jerk reaction to "does a falling tree make a sound with nobody around to hear it" always was of course it does, what a stupid question. And it sure produces pressures waves in the air, but are those "sound" without anything to consider them such? > But that further raises the question: how do you know it's the riddle you're looking for? How do you know what riddle you're looking for if you don't know the riddle itself? Yeah, I was just gonna say. E.g. you ask "Is the riddle in this book?" and it replies "Which one? Specify the riddle." Maybe with just a bit more technology though.. e.g. something that scans you and the whole world, to find out all riddles that exist, and what sort of riddle you probably would like to eliminate, if you were aware of it. It destroys those riddles, and then itself. Since we're just riffing in the middle of nowhere anyway: I think it might be an arms race between finding the riddle that destroys the crazy (making) machines, and the machines destroying the ability to come up with riddles first. It might actually already been written how this'll play out roughly: > Eddie eventually stumps Blaine with unsolvable "riddles" that are actually stupid jokes from his childhood. This forces Blaine to try to "lower" his intelligence to levels necessary to answer, which ends up driving him completely insane and causes his computer to crash. Eddie then proceeds to shoot the computer
- ThePestoParagon 3mo agoI get to say a lot of "i told you so" to my wife these days. She used to call me an old man for being a stick-in-the-mud and not updating my phone's apps. When I have them working the way I want: why would I want to update things and risk changing that? These days she's swearing up a storm whenever an update breaks or removes things.
- linzhangrun 3mo agoAs a Fedora user, I can say very clearly that Fedora is also very buggy...
- tmoertel 3mo agoCounterpoint: I have been running Fedora Linux on multiple systems for about two decades, including on my daily drivers, and it's been pretty much solid.
- yesnomaybe 3mo agoI have been on fedora 6 months now, done the upgrade from 43 to 44. All went well. Took all scare away from me. Admittedly, I run a more sophisticated ZFS boot manager (ZBM) setup and snapshot my entire OS (root FS) before any updates or upgrades. That helps but I was really impressed with the 43->44 being so effortless. Updates only annoy me here, not scare me like they do in macOS or iOS.
- linzhangrun 3mo agoRight at this moment, my mouse cursor cannot figure out what scale it should use across three monitors with different resolutions and scaling, and has become a blurry group of pixels. GNOME has also frozen the whole system for several seconds multiple times recently. Codex says it is a problem with the time component. I am still dealing with another recent problem where the system sometimes takes forever to boot, but after a forced restart it enters the system normally within seconds. Grok 4.5 says this is also GNOME's component fault.
- Chu4eeno 3mo agoIt sounds like Wayland. When you decide to suddenly stuff some of the most complex pieces of software together (the X server and the compositor which sometimes also double as a desktop shell) into giant codebase/process with seemingly no proper plan or roadmap and make up the specification along the way (or just don't, wayland still has no proper XACE replacement, so kiosk tooling etc. is ad-hoc), you get Wayland in its current form. Rant over; if you want to actually find out what is making stuff stall, maybe try bpftrace, DTrace or SystemTap (depending on what your distro ships and what tooling is more familiar/suited to you)? Or just run `perf top` and see if anything stands out. For the boot run `sudo systemd-analyze critical-chain` and see what it is waiting on. And be ready for the nightmare that is the systemd "design": https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/
- Gigachad 3mo agoMacOS 26 was clearly rushed. iOS 27 seems to be an absolutely massive refinement update. Basically everything is faster and more polished. But on the title, yes software is not even close to “solved”.
- 0xfaded 3mo agoTesla just released an infuriating update which adds an incomprehensible number of UI nags to start self driving, despite there being a hardware lever that already does so. There's even a big button that says "Start Self Driving" in the valuable visual real estate where the speed limit once was.
- ahartmetz 3mo agoI don't want to live on this planet anymore.
- fuzzfactor 3mo agoThere does seem to be growing incentive to make more and more people feel this way . . .
- dhorthy 3mo agothe one good thing about the current ios version is that it is the best it will ever be from this point forward. all future versions will be worse
- bravoetch 3mo agoOld business models: Add value for the end-user, sell it on for a profit. Current business model: venture capital is the end-user now. Grow the investment by addicting customers to some distraction. Nothing else matters.
- ayaros 3mo agoThe removal of window chrome was a gigantic mistake and we're all paying for it every day. Having to tolerate the extra mental overhead caused by the removal of such affordances in UIs every single time I use a computer makes me wonder whether we're all actually dead and in hell... Like that old SMBC comic where a guy in heaven stubs his toe every hour, and realizes it's actually hell. That's what this is. And don't get me started on OS updates...
- endorphine 3mo agoI never had this dread after switching to Debian.
- Grombobulous 3mo agoThe funny thing is that there’s a relatively high amount of hype this year around iOS and macOS being a stability and performance release with very few features, on purpose. Look up some beta impressions or try the public beta yourself. Apps launch faster and a whole bunch of random stuff is fixed and smoothed out. So not only are we getting a really great performance and stability release in the height of the AI era, disproving this “AI isn’t making software better” claim, but we now can make a pretty solid connection to the DRAM shortages being one of the biggest performance and efficiency motivators of the last few decades. Why do you think Apple cares to make apps launch 40% faster? It’s because they don’t want to be selling iPhones that are losing money because they’re packed with expensive RAM and storage. I just can’t agree with you that this software is anywhere near the kind of misery you’re describing. To head this off at the pass, I’m not even a macOS user…I switched off to Linux last year. I also didn’t like Liquid Glass and oddly I got tired of the notch more than anything. I also just needed more storage in my computer and didn’t want to pay Apple 3x more than street pricing for 2TB.
- CTDOCodebases 3mo agoI agree with you but I think it's worth pointing out that this is a new occurrence. It's not just the performance of software but the UI and features themselves. The constant UI redesigns leave legacy users disoriented. It seems like they often just change things for the sake of changing things. On iOS three main pain points for me that used to be better are: 1. Search. It finds the settings for an app but not the app itself. Or the search doesn't even find the setting even though I have typed the name of the setting in word for word. 2. The timer. Previously I would set a timer and see the result on the lock screen. Perfect. Then they added a control to stop the timer from the lock screen. So timers are accidentally stopped after brushing the lock screen by accident. 3. Turning Caller ID on and off. Sometimes it just lags out and doesn't do anything.
- mobelkh 3mo ago> disproving this “AI isn’t making software better” claim one company deciding a feature freeze is not disapproving anything, in fact, it means things have gotten so bad, apple who used to have higher standards for their releases, had to pull the brakes and fix their shit
- chii 3mo ago> bundle all changes in "required security updates." And that is why i have setup a managed organization setting in windows to stop automatic updates (which includes security updates). I manually vet each individual security update, and download and apply them myself. I don't let windows update on its own. Similarly to android. I don't let it update, unless i know i need the update. And i'd like to do the same with apps too, but companies have put in things to prevent people like me - deprecating old versions and forcing users to use newer versions (things like whatsapp, or youtube are prime examples).
- pastel8739 3mo agoI’ve had a little bit of this excitement when an update comes out with Zed. Updates are frequent, and while it’s totally usable it’s still immature enough as a full IDE that the improvements are often something that will directly improve how I use it. So that’s been nice. But this is the only example I’ve had where I’ve felt this in years and years
- hellectronic 3mo agoI can relate too. I reached a point (as a software engineer), that shitti functioning software annoys me so much. Functions that are just annoying that no one really asked about, functions that are so bad designed that I really ask myself who the beep is really responsible and accountable to sign off this crap. AI should help us really make this small but time consuming implementations better too, not just shipping more and more crappy stuff.
- eluusive 3mo agoThe new "cloud" UI is wful. Who thought this was a good idea? I hate MacOS Tahoe.
- e40 3mo agoWhen I updated my Homepods to 26.5.2 I wasted 4 hours trying to get them back online. It was a complete nightmare. I never really figured out why it was so hard. I just kept getting errors and if I didn't keep trying they would have been as good as bricks. So, I 100% agree with you.