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> that censors informations about the illegal Ukraine war crimes If your concern is specifically about the censorship, then it's not an issue with Kagi, since
by flexagoon 3mo ago
> that censors informations about the illegal Ukraine war crimes
If your concern is specifically about the censorship, then it's not an issue with Kagi, since Yandex is used as one of many sources (and mainly for images afaik)
- chinathrow 3mo agoThey should simply stop using any russian tech at this time.
- tommica 3mo agoFor what reason? It's a source, not THE source
- chinathrow 3mo agoHave you followed the news?
- x______________ 3mo agoHow the US is attempting to flatten Iran and everyone is boycotting US products? Maybe we are getting wiser to 'country bogeymen bad' stories and realizing that only bad people do bad things.
- libertine 3mo agoWhy are you trying to divert the topic? You don't think the genocide in Ukraine has enough scale of a tragedy, with more than 2 million casualties since 2022? Isn't this enough to flag a product? The Ukrainians posed no threat to anyone, they didn't have a nuclear program, in fact they surrendered the third largest nuclear stockpile and one of the signatures of the memorandum is trying to delete Ukraine. Why are you trying to dilute this event which is directly related to the topic? Is it to try to normalize the crime of genocide in Ukraine?
- inigyou 3mo agoBecause your argument suffers the fallacy of proving too much. You're trying to say that all Russian technology must be boycotted because it does a war, but your argument also says American technology must be boycotted, Chinese technology must be boycotted and European technology must be boycotted. No transistors for anyone who subscribes to your argument! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/G5eMM3Wp3hbCuKKPE/proving-too-much https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/G5eMM3Wp3hbCuKKPE/proving-to...
- libertine 3mo agoNo, it's simpler than that - there's an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, a country that was at peace and posed threat to no one. The guys that surrendered their nukes in exchange for security, right? What I'm saying is that anything that helps prolong this war should be avoided. It's not a fallacy, it's actually common sense. You're again trying to dilute the genocide by bringing USA, China, etc. So why are you trying to normalize one event, by diluting it among other events that have no relationship whatsoever with it?
- inigyou 3mo agoWhy is the Ukraine war the only war that matters? Shouldn't we also stop helping prolong the Iran war? I'm not diluting one event - I'm saying we need to care about all wars.
- libertine 3mo agoIt matters within the context of this comment thread about a company using assets from specific state commiting genocide that had caused more than 2 million casualties in 4 years. We're talking about cities razed to the ground, more than a thousand medical facilities destroyed, and of course the systematic and deliberate attempt destruction of a culture - just because they wanted to be a sovereign democracy.
- inigyou 3mo ago
- shikon7 3mo agoWouldn't that be censorship, too?
- qzx_pierri 3mo agoYou’re not allowed to ask that question.
- dismantlethesun 3mo agoI don't really see any difference between this and the vast amounts of of Alaska pollock or cod that is imported from Russia.
- libertine 3mo agoThe difference is information manipulation, like misinformation. While there should be a complete sanction of Russian products, cod is cod, it's a consumable that has to follow public health standards. There's no such thing for information, and for many years the Russian state has been trying hard at it.
- qzx_pierri 3mo agoYes, because that never happens in America. Only Russia does that. No one else.
- libertine 3mo agoWell the last time the US committed genocide of a culture was way before any tech company was founded, while Russia is doing it since 2022 - by their own admission. If we count of course the illegal annexation of territory, one of the most egregious crimes against sovereignty, it's been doing it since the occupation of Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine in 2014, you get the idea. What I don't understand is why you're trying to divert the attention to the US, the topic regarding the current crimes against humanity and war crimes of Russia have enough merits to be a topic on its own.
- reactordev 3mo agoI think you need to research US foreign policy. They are literally trying to do that with Iran. They helped Israel do it to the Palestinians. Not to take away from the Ukraine atrocities but US is just as bad as Russia.
- libertine 3mo ago
- RobotToaster 3mo agoShould they also stop using American tech because of the vast list of American war crimes?
- 20k 3mo agoI mean yes, there's an enormous movement to diversify away from american tech currently in the EU, and a massive amount of investment to get away from the entire american tech bubble I have no idea why you're phrasing this like this when so much money is being put into solving precisely this problem right now
- RobotToaster 3mo ago> have no idea why you're phrasing this like this Because Kagi is in California.
- maelito 3mo agoDo we live in Ecotopia ? Did I miss the news ? Hopefully yes.
- maelito 3mo agoWell there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech. As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.
- GreenWatermelon 3mo agoSo it's ok if they invade far-away countries, napalm bomb them leading to millions of casualties, but not ok to invade neighboring countries? The US is responsible for far more pain and suffering in my nock of the world, so it's funny when Americans act like they have some sort of moral high ground.
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- crote 3mo agoStop using all Russian tech for the illegal Ukraine invasion, stop using all American tech for using the illegal Iran war, stop using all Chinese tech for the Uyghur genocide, stop using all Arabian tech for their modern-day slavery, stop using all (most?) European tech for their direct support of the Palestinian Genocide... Very few acceptable countries left, it seems. Canada, maybe?
- coldtea 3mo agoCanada, those oppressors of the natives?
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