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If your country’s industrial and defense policy relies on individual consumers making choices that are worse for them on almost all metrics, it’s time to think
by adrianN 3mo ago
If your country’s industrial and defense policy relies on individual consumers making choices that are worse for them on almost all metrics, it’s time to think about on worse payroll your politicians are.
- groundzeros2015 3mo agoThis is the idea behind a tariff
- t0mpr1c3 3mo agoThe "idea" of Trump's tariffs (if there ever was one) is to subvert the US constitution which places taxation under the control of congress, not the president.
- spacewrangler 3mo agoFalse. Tariffs are a standard foreign policy tool used as an economic negotiating tactic.
- t0mpr1c3 3mo agoThe US government is literally refunding the tariffs because they were illegal.
- groundzeros2015 3mo agoThat doesn’t respond to this comment.
- spacewrangler 3mo agoTariffs still exist, some were ordered to stop, but there are plenty still being implemented today, and will be in the future; regardless of which party is in power.
- Brendinooo 3mo agoThe person you replied to did not mention a specific leader's policy.
- mlsu 3mo agoAbsolutely true. But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people, just in a different way. Domestic consumption in China is famously low, work culture is famously bad (996,etc). And this is because of what their government, not the people of China, have chosen to do.
- lokar 3mo agoConsumption is not just low, it’s intentionally suppressed.
- coldtea 3mo ago>But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? >Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.
- faitswulff 3mo ago> Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? Yes, but China-bad ideology demands that we ask ”at what cost?”
- UltraSane 3mo agoChina isn't bad, the CCP is.
- faitswulff 3mo agoThat simplistic characterization is still essentially "China-bad." The CCP is the same government responsible for lifting historically unprecedented numbers of people out of abject poverty. Does it make up for other human rights violations? No. But "CCP bad" flattens a complex and powerful political organization into a fairy tale boogeyman.
- lostlogin 3mo ago> who’s payroll your politicians are on It doesn’t even have to be foreign - it can just be corrupt self interest. What other explanation is there for attacking Venezuela and Iran?
- jtavner 3mo ago[dead]
- zzzbra 3mo agoYou’re getting downvoted for this which is crazy.
- Robotbeat 3mo agoI don't even think it's corrupt self-interest. Just idiotic bravado and wanting to settle long held grudges.
- voicedYoda 3mo agoDistraction from the Epstein files
- nonethewiser 3mo agoIts more like lack of policy. To be clear, we are talking about China winning IoT hardware industry in this case. That’s not a policy. You could ban Chinese IoT devices. Or spur local industry. But we aren’t talking about the military relying on Chinese hardware or something.
- skitsofrandom 3mo agoIt's easy to get all high and mighty but there really doesn't have to be complex subterfuge behind "replacing the majority of our technical infrastructure with devices solely created within the borders of our primary military, industrial, and economic rival is not a good idea for security and sovereignty." We cast aside local manufacturing for cheaper prices in another country and are going to pay the price one way or another.
- wisty 3mo agoSo Trump was right to call for tariffs?
- romaaeterna 3mo agoThere's no real solution other than long-term tariffs. However the President doesn't have the power to do it and Congress doesn't have the willpower. 6-month flash-in-the-pan efforts can only cause chaos.
- handle584 3mo agoDoesn't this apply to China in the first place? Their GFW practically blocked such choices for decades already.