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Cardiac events from Apple Watches is not “AI” though
by thatfrenchguy 3mo ago
Cardiac events from Apple Watches is not “AI” though
- eru 3mo agoIt would have been, 20 years ago.
- granzymes 3mo agoWe call things AI until they start working. See also: robots (your washing machine is a robot, but it works so you don’t think of it that way).
- kennywinker 3mo agoI think of robots as general purpose, machines are specific purpose. When it works, we make it single purpose because that’s far far cheaper than general purpose.
- eru 3mo agoAre welding machines at the Volkswagen factory robots?
- AussieWog93 3mo agoAre these the ones with 5+ axis arms? Yes, they're robots
- kennywinker 3mo agoIdk could you swap out an attachment and make them to something completely different?
- Dylan16807 3mo agoCalling things "robots" is more about the amount of movement. Spinning in place like a washing machine sprayer isn't enough to qualify. A paint conveyer belt is not a robot. A sprinkler system is not a robot. A CnC machine might be a robot. A conveyer belt that sorts items might be a robot. A roomba is a robot. And all of these function just fine.
- AdieuToLogic 3mo ago>> Cardiac events from Apple Watches is not “AI” though > It would have been, 20 years ago. No, it would have been called what it is both then and now; an asynchronous message emitted by a device having sensors capable of detecting when to do so.
- AussieWog93 3mo agoWhen I was studying ML back in 2017 people were still calling things like image classifiers "AI".
- ch4s3 3mo agoIt’s machine learning, which people routinely called AI not so long ago.
- LoganDark 3mo agoI never heard people calling machine learning "AI" until large language models made it trivial to market it as such. Like, I remember back when Netflix, for instance, was going around advertising how machine learning (not AI) powers their recommendations.
- fn-mote 3mo agoEd: I disagree. My recollection is that machine learning was routinely sold as “AI” even when it obviously wasn’t. (IBM’s Watson was good at Jeopardy but not real medical applications.) This isn’t exactly the same, but nothing in the book Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence would be considered AI today.
- LoganDark 3mo agoYou must be thinking of a different machine learning. All the on-device machine learning, backend machine learning, OCR, etc. was all called "machine learning" before LLMs. Yes, the field of artificial intelligence still existed, often used machine learning, and called the result "AI". But Apple would call keyboard prediction machine learning. Microsoft would call OCR machine learning. YouTube called machine transcription machine learning. Google called camera image enhancement machine learning. Microsoft now calls everything AI (actually mostly "Copilot"). YouTube now calls everything AI (including genuine LLMs and generative features, but also everything it used to call machine learning). Google now calls everything AI (including everything it used to call machine learning). Apple is seemingly the only one immune. My argument is not that no one ever used "AI" to refer to a product that utilized machine learning, but rather that the term of art in the industry for machine learning itself was actually "machine learning", not "AI", until LLMs took over and made it "AI". You would not pull a library off the shelf for "AI", it would be for machine learning. You would not implement and perform "AI", but machine learning. Even central parts of the AI ecosystem like PyTorch advertise as being for "deep learning", which is a subset of machine learning. Not "AI".
- jonahx 3mo agoIt unequivocally is AI. It's just not LLM-powered. The rising LLM = AI equivalency is unfortunate.
- LoganDark 3mo agoIt's machine learning, which has overlap with AI but is not completely equivalent.
- granzymes 3mo agoThe “overlap” is that all machine learning is AI, but not all AI is machine learning.
- kennywinker 3mo agoAt this point AI is a marketing term not an actual category
- thorbutt 3mo agoSee: Samsung selling "AI" vacuum cleaners and washing machines
- AdieuToLogic 3mo ago> The “overlap” is that all machine learning is AI ... "All machine learning" is not AI, as k-means clustering and linear regression, amongst others, are very much ML without qualifying as AI algorithms.
- solumunus 3mo agoThe machine is learning something so that it can produce outputs based on its learned knowledge. At a high level that seems to be very clearly AI. What am I missing here? You’re probably right, I’m asking genuinely.
- pj_mukh 3mo agoAI and ML have very clear definitions[1]. ML has been a subset of AI, always has been. Latest marketing or "scare quotes" doesn't/shouldn't change that. Especially not in a technical forum like HN. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence Ctrl-F Machine Learning. Apple Watch alerts are Machine Learning