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ChatGPT Work

353 points by Tiberium 3mo ago

patabyte 3mo ago
> With Codex technology built-in, ChatGPT can now move beyond answering questions to getting real work done across web, mobile, and desktop. This looks like OpenAI catching up to Anthropic's Cowork.
- wahnfrieden 3mo ago
  The capabilities were launched months ago. This is just retiring the ChatGPT app and replacing it with Codex for the masses.
hiccuphippo 3mo ago
Can it replace my manager?
- delichon 3mo ago
  Yes and your new one will be paying much closer attention to you.
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unholiness 3mo ago
So, Claude Cowork for OpenAI? Feels overdue! I've loved using Cowork recently for sourcing decisions. Things where seemingly everyone's out of stock or questionably reputable, just let Cowork spin for 20 minutes, find the best new and best used options that meet your requirements, probably also suggesting a different item that does the job and is available for cheap. I've done it enough that I'm starting to loathe clicking through these sites myself.
- paxys 3mo ago
  Feels like forever in the AI world but Claude Cowork only launched ~5 months ago. So not that overdue.
  - wahnfrieden 3mo ago
    The capabilities were launched months ago. This is just retiring the ChatGPT app and replacing it with Codex for the masses edit reply because rate-limited: They were exposed via the Codex desktop app and controllable via the iOS app.
    - nolok 3mo ago
      The capabilities are useless if you don't expose them, and a cli or api doesn't. You'll mention their marketing page keeps talking about finance, sales, management etc...
      - wahnfrieden 3mo ago
        It was in app
- johnwheeler 3mo ago
  In my experience, claude cowork has been pretty much useless. for the desktop control, it just seems like the The accessibility stuff is just not there yet on macOS to support it.
CSMastermind 3mo ago
How is this different than Codex?
- beastman82 3mo ago
  It has a new name!
- wahnfrieden 3mo ago
  They are replacing ChatGPT with Codex
  - esafak 3mo ago
    Which is funny because OpenAI talks up the value of their ChatGPT brand. Only coders know Codex.
    - paxys 3mo ago
      Which is why the combined app is called ChatGPT, not Codex.
- paxys 3mo ago
  Rebranding + expanding it beyond coding work.
  - CSMastermind 3mo ago
    > expanding it beyond coding work Is there anything it can do that codex can't?
- heisgone 3mo ago
  They add a mode to Codex which is less technical or more oriented toward office work and you can toggle between the two.
  - LUmBULtERA 3mo ago
    Literally no UI changes when I toggle between the two. It's 100% identical, one is not less technical than the other.
tekacs 3mo ago
Anthropic just changed their web interface yesterday to have Chat versus Cowork as well, and every time I look at it, I'm so confused. I'm still so unclear when I'm supposed to use one or the other or the other. Now the 'ChatGPT desktop app' (the Codex app, renamed) also has the split between work and code, and as far as I can tell, all it does is change which plugins are loaded by default to include Office ones when you put it in work mode. Perhaps it also changes the system prompt slightly?
- gigatree 3mo ago
  Not sure if the cause but there’s this overarching absolute neglect of UX. Maybe they’re all just trying to grab as much market share as humanly possible, but imo it seems more likely they’ll lose each segment to products that actually make sure the experience isn’t absolute dog shit.
  - ljm 3mo ago
    Anthropic's suite of products have practically zero cohesion across each other. I've said it some time before. There is no clear product vision or overarching roadmap in terms of users and UX, it is just vaguely connected things being vibe-coded in parallel.
    - nitwit005 3mo ago
      > it is just vaguely connected things being vibe-coded in parallel. That does sound like what would tend to happen if they used their own product exclusively.
    - gwerbin 3mo ago
      OpenCode is a great choice if you want an agent harness that actually works consistently across GUI, TUI, and ACP.
thimabi 3mo ago
I wonder why they haven’t simply continued to rebrand Codex as a general-purpose tool. ChatGPT Work is a convoluted name and continues the trend of having separate brands for separate things, what runs counter to OpenAI’s purported goal of unifying every workflow into a single “superapp”. Worse still: what happens when your workflow involves both coding and general knowledge work? Are you expected to switch apps, or switch settings? To me, it sounds very confusing and inefficient, and not at all what I was expecting.
- beering 3mo ago
  because every non-programmer hears “codex” and thinks that it’s for coding only - seems like a large hurdle to adoption. claude has been successful with cowork branding which makes sense.
  - serial_dev 3mo ago
    It looks like the ChatGPT is a very strong brand despite the confusing name (who the hell knows what GPT stands for?)
    - paxys 3mo ago
      Doesn’t really matter what it stands for. ChatGPT is one of the most recognizable brands in the world right now.
      - copperx 3mo ago
        It never matters. Remember 'Google'? People thought it was the dumbest / dorkiest name ever.
- sailingparrot 3mo ago
  > I wonder why they haven’t simply continued to rebrand Codex as a general-purpose tool. They have, if you try to download ChatGPT app, it actually downloads codex now, and the first screen is "Codex is now the ChatGPT App"
nickphx 3mo ago
who cares?
xgulfie 3mo ago
I sure hope it does!
marksully 3mo ago
Codex just started downloading an update and it's gone. It removed itself. I guess it's supposed to be a part of ChatGPT now, but I cannot see any update there yet. btw I kinda hate this, because ChatGPT was always very slow for me - possibly due to amount of historical threads I have there
- marksully 3mo ago
  Ok, I had to re-download Codex from OpenAI's webpage and click update again. Now it's actually different, but I must say it was all a bit confusing.
postalcoder 3mo ago
I just installed this. I am very confused. I no longer have a Codex app on my computer. ChatGPT is now Codex. But what happened to ChatGPT? Where am I supposed to casually chat? Also, when you toggle btween ChatGPT Work and ChatGPT Codex, nothing changes. This is super confusing. Can someone from the OpenAI team clarify the difference btwn the modes? Does chatgpt work have more business-y related plugins turned on by default? Edit: So it seems like the only place you can actually chat with chatgpt is in an awkward homeless nested window. idk. The chatgpt interface wasn't great (desperately needed artifacts), but I still used it a lot. I can't see this change going well with a lot of the casual users. Edit2: In their awkward homeless nested chat mode, you cannot even edit past messages. this is a mess, why was the team so zealous to pull the switch on unification in this state? guessing there was internal pressure to juice codex's growth but, based on what im seeing, they did it by torching chatgpt? Edit 3: Ok so it seems like ChatGPT is still around, but renamed to "ChatGPT Classic". Seems like it wont be long for this world because there's no place to download ChatGPT Classic should you choose to uninstall it. The dmg at https://chatgpt.com/download/ https://chatgpt.com/download/ only contains the new ChatGPT.
- smoe 3mo ago
  The only difference I can see is that the controls for local/remote, branch, and worktrees disappear, and instead it shows office suite plugins. I would presume it affects the system prompt in the background? Very confusing. But I do find it potentially interesting to treat general office work no differently from coding, which is something I had already been using Codex for in many ways before today
- paxys 3mo ago
  It’s all ChatGPT under the hood. Even though it says Work or Codex or whatever you can just ask it whatever you want, and it will work.
  - postalcoder 3mo ago
    > Even though it says Work or Codex or whatever you can just ask it whatever you want, and it will work. No it's not. Codex creates a new folder in `~/Documents` in iCloud drive/OneDrive for every single thread you make. Furthermore, these threads are also polluted with your global AGENTS.md file, as well as all other developer_instructions that are injected by the harness. I want my chat isolated from work contexts.
etchalon 3mo ago
It'd be super nice if tech companies stopped just building the same product and gave us concretely different ideas.
thm 3mo ago
OpenAI clearly failed to consult ChatGPT for branding advice.
- CamperBob2 3mo ago
  At least they didn't consult the USB Forum, which is what they have done in the past.
sergiotapia 3mo ago
I wish OpenAI had a family plan. I would love to pay and have my wife and kids use ChatGPT on a single subscription.
- Razengan 3mo ago
  You could try Group Chats, though I'm not sure they will use the higher models of the subscribing participants..
  - quinncom 3mo ago
    ChatGPT Group Chats were retired July 9. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12703475-retiring-group-chats-in-chatgpt https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12703475-retiring-group-...
    - Razengan 3mo ago
      Sora, Codex, and now Group Chats.. they really want to become the next Google
- nickthegreek 3mo ago
  I ended up going the with gemini to provide sota ai to my family in an affordable way. You could always make your chatgpt sub accessible to your family via discord with a bot that codex can produce in under 5mins.
- toephu2 3mo ago
  They have this, it's essentially ChatGPT Business. And if you use an Amex Plat card, it's basically free (plenty of ChatGPT 50% off links going around, or at least there were a few weeks ago).
matchbok3 3mo ago
Very interesting approach, however I wonder if the combination of Codex + Work in the same app makes sense? I could see a world where the technical needs of a developer are hampered by the overall superapp architecture. I guess we'll see?
JakeStone 3mo ago
Yeah... No. I can get some useful results from codex at work, because I have to, except for when I don't. I accept that risk factor and compensate by reviewing _everything_ it spits out. But we all know what coding is, in a very broad stroke manner, sure. What does an end of month report mean? I automatically increase the font size when I send the spreadsheet to Paul. I review tickets and provide a meta write-up on Friday. Or maybe Monday, because Fred didn't get back to me until 5:30 Friday, and I closed my laptop at 4. These are just little things, and they're repetitive, but each time, there's some little idiosyncracy. I have reservations regarding any piece of software being able to finesse that.
kirykl 3mo ago
All models I’ve used have been exceptionally bad at creating a high level business oriented vision and strategy from various inputs. The output just feels like it can’t see past the next word, or render distance, misses the big picture and anything not specified in prompt or input context
- ranyume 3mo ago
  This is true but I also find the opposite true: the model is highly dependent on the input/prompt, to the point that it can't think beyond it or about it.
serial_dev 3mo ago
Am I the only one who thinks this landing page is garbage? Funkily it feels like a long wall of slop. I guess you shouldn’t get high on your own supply.
pgm8705 3mo ago
The resulting "combined" Codex + ChatGPT mac app is super confusing. I use the Codex app with my work account, but I liked the old ChatGPT app, which I kept logged in with my personal account, for my LLM chat needs. I guess I can just use ChatGPT.com, but this was a rather jarring change.
- bschoepke 3mo ago
  If you really want, you can cmd+T and go to chatgpt.com within the ChatGPT app haha
  - quinncom 3mo ago
    Excellent, problem solved.
michelb 3mo ago
So I've now lost all my ChatGPT chats? Or did they hide them? I see some of them, but the history is inaccessible?? Edit: I found them back in the 'classic' version of the app. Wildly confusing what is going to happen to the data there, chats, projects, custom GPT's. This is going to be fun tomorrow when everyone at the company I work at finds out all their chats, projects and GPT’s are ‘gone’ after they ‘update’. And not a word about this switcheroo ‘data loss’ in their comms. Wow.
- DANmode 3mo ago
  Can you not SSO into the browser-based version of the app?
  - danorama 3mo ago
    I think part of the concern here is that these app changes could be a trial balloon for identical web-side changes in the not too distant future. Given the product judgment shown in this particular release, it doesn’t seem to be out of the question.
    - DANmode 3mo ago
      It’s true. Their ball, their court, their game!
gabriel-uribe 3mo ago
The toggle feels useless in the desktop app. It just changes a few shortcuts?! Admittedly, I was already using Codex a bit like Claude Cowork. I'm just surprised they decided to merge threads.
woodylondon 3mo ago
I have a longer version of this, but in summary So my understanding of the differences between chat, code and co-work; but may well be wrong! Chat is the human, talking directly to the LLM - old school. Very basic can create docs etc - but saves in a temp folder. No real access to your local PC. Cowork / work - Human talking to an agent, which can then use tools to do work. Also runs in a container, allowing it access to your drives/computer. Claude Code / Codex - No longer in a container, full access to the computer, depending on what permissions you give. No longer locked in a container. + The agent is more focused on coding than cowork / work.
- sulam 3mo ago
  > The agent is more focused on coding than cowork / work I suspect this difference is pretty minimal. Before Cowork launched I was using Claude Code in the way that I use Cowork now and getting pretty much the same results albeit without the sandboxing (which is more of a hassle than not, TBH). OpenAI says in their announcement that the same is true for Codex, which doesn't surprise me at all. These agentic loops are pretty applicable to all kinds of tasks, not just coding, and people started realizing this pretty quickly upon their introduction / creation.
  - odo1242 3mo ago
    Cowork is just Claude Code + tools to read Microsoft Office files
- lagrange77 3mo ago
  I don't know why you're downvoted. This is field is so rapidly changing and confusing and on top of that burried underneath a shitload of new marketing terms.
- Onavo 3mo ago
  Claude code is sandboxed by default no?
- alberth 3mo ago
  This is helpful but ... What's the distinction between Work and Codex again? Sorry for asking - but they read the same to me. It's just a focus on coding vs non-coding work?
lukebuehler 3mo ago
I think these kind of semi-coding agents--but hosted--are the future for enterprises. Claude Tag, Claude Cowork, now Work by OAI. Agents-on-your-machine clearly have their place, but for many workflows this is too unruly. Hence, the "long-running agent running on shared infra" pattern. I think this is where the ball is headed. I'm building towards an open source version of this[0]. Still just working on the core, but hopefully soon self-hosted versions can be built on top. [0] https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed
- lagrange77 3mo ago
  > I'm building towards an open source version of this Interesting. So the main use case would be entities that run lightspeed on a beefy private cloud or on premise?
  - lukebuehler 3mo ago
    yes, basically people that want to host powerful, long-running agent runs not on dedicated VMs (although lightspeed can use those too), but on an abstraction layer above. My thesis is that the right abstraction is durable workflow engines. And AFAIK, OAI also uses Temporal for their complicated hosted agent infra.
- ianm218 3mo ago
  I came to the exact same conclusion recently. I am building something like lightspeed that can run on “pay per second” infra like fly.io sprites because I wanted to have an open claw style agent but not have to deal with paying for another VM.
  - mtremsal 3mo ago
    Came to a similar decision 5 months ago and ended up building “seven” on Fly’s sprites: https://github.com/1to10partners/seven https://github.com/1to10partners/seven Nowadays, depending on the project’s complexity I either run just 1 sprite, several sprites, or in one case 1 permanent “CTO” VM (with a dedicated GH App identity) that specs work that a fleet of worker sprites pull and implement.
miltonlost 3mo ago
That graph of internal adoption rate is laughable. Their KPIs and work requirements probably heavily skewed the curve.
simonw 3mo ago
I just clicked "Upgrade" in the macOS Codex Desktop app and it relaunched with a new name, "ChatGPT". My existing install of the macOS ChatGPT app seems to have been renamed "ChatGPT Classic".
- nebben64 3mo ago
  just commented ton Tibo's post; they should have made things clearer and told us if the macOS ChatGPT app was going away. So I could either delete it or not be surprised when it rolls into something else :(
neil_s 3mo ago
I had switched from Claude Cowork to OAI Codex a month ago. This seems like a rebranding and app merging to make it more obvious. And switching between the newly named "ChatGPT Work" vs "ChatGPT Code" mostly just seems to increase the verbosity of technical outputs, while using the same harness underneath. I switched because Cowork felt like a bunch of features thrown in by engineers without thought to the UX. Codex solved a lot of those issues for me - remote control from mobile has native approval dialogs, and you can start new threads from mobile - you can remote control from another laptop - computer use doesn't hijack my computer from me because it uses a11y trees instead of screenshots - it was super unclear which skills were accessible to which surface (claude chat, cowork in app, code in app, code in cli). - codex chooses the right browser profile and gets stuck less often than cowork + claude-in-chrome. I know there are 3P skills to use playwright or the chrome CDP, but I've found the native browser use most productive even if slower. A few people here are missing the old ChatGPT app, but I found myself increasingly using Codex for casual chats too, and never using ChatGPT. You never know when the conversation might evolve to requiring tools in Codex, so no real downside to it. Yes, separation of work and personal accounts, or connecting multiple google accounts, is still unsolved on both Codex and Cowork AFAICT. For a bit, I got FOMO because of Fable, but now it looks like 5.6 might continue the monthly model leapfrog pattern.
todfox 3mo ago
This unification is garbage. Chats that are about topics other than programming projects are relegated to a tiny, unsearchable popup window. Renaming the old app "ChatGPT Classic" implies that it will be discontinued at some point. This is a serious regression. What existed before worked fine. I would expect the mode switcher to include a Chat mode, which would recreate the old, chat-focused UI, for asking about random topics. So, that's basically gone now. Technically, it's hidden and severely castrated. I hope someone from OpenAI reads this. You guys have made a serious design mistake. I suspect you'll be getting a lot of support requests along the lines of "Where did all my chats go?"
- thimabi 3mo ago
  I noticed the same thing. In the app, normal “Chat” threads are only available via a “Checking recent chats” window, while projects, GPTs, library… are completely absent. The web version of ChatGPT is confusing too. Now it has separate “Chat” and “Work” tabs (what about a Codex tab?), and it shifts the burden on the user to know when to use one or the other. Note that using the “Work” tab means using Codex usage limits [^1], but that’s hidden away in the settings. Also, apparently “GPT-5.6 Terra and GPT-5.6 Luna are not selectable in standard ChatGPT conversations” [^2] — so if you want to use these models, you must go to the Work tab or download the app. I don’t understand why there is so much fragmentation in what was supposed to be a unified app. The way that it is now, it’s far from intuitive. [^1]: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001275-chatgpt-work-and-codex https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001275-chatgpt-work-an... [^2]: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001354-gpt-56-in-chatgpt https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001354-gpt-56-in-chatg...
- yieldcrv 3mo ago
  I guess parasocial relationships with AI boyfriends and girlfriends don't pay as well as agentic SaaS slop
- biffles 3mo ago
  I agree. I'm not even sure what the solution is (it's admittedly complicated given how people use ChatGPT today in so many different ways) but it certainly isn't this. And this comes from someone that has most chats inside Codex, so I should be the least impacted by this!
imagetic 3mo ago
So confused.
egorfine 3mo ago
What they did to ChatGPT.app is incredible. It was a truly useful app, but the replacement is brain damaged in terms of UI/UX beyond repair. Incredible, really.
- tencentshill 3mo ago
  Good thing it's easy to switch to another provider. I wonder how long that will last.
- TacticalCoder 3mo ago
  Doesn't matter much though: for non-coding task Gemini is much better anyway. And as of now Google hasn't fuxx0red up Gemini yet.
  - yokoprime 3mo ago
    are you using the free version?
- jazzyjackson 3mo ago
  Most shamefully and bearishly, in the AI golden age developers and knowledge workers alike are still beholden to use whatever software is shipped to them, instead of whatever system they can build for themselves.
anal_reactor 3mo ago
Microsoft is continuing the tradition of very confusing names
asim 3mo ago
This thread is so spot on but I can also imagine the product development internally is moving so fast that they're trying to reconcile everything and can't. And this is the huge mistake so many companies make. Leave what's working alone. Build new adjacent things. It's clear they want to make money and work or code is the focus of enterprise. But never rename something Classic...so bad.
- btheconqueror 3mo ago
  New Coke and Coke Classic
- steve1977 3mo ago
  > I can also imagine the product development internally is moving so fast that they're trying to reconcile everything and can't. What are they developing? I see no improvements (talking about the frontend / apps, not the models)
- mcculley 3mo ago
  This is an interesting data point amidst the anxiety about AI taking all of the jobs. Even OpenAI cannot leverage AI to do product management.
- AaronAPU 3mo ago
  If it’s any comfort, whoever did this made more money in a month than I’ll make in 10 years. Wait that’s not a comfort at all. Now I’m more upset.
sbarre 3mo ago
It's uncanny how much the job of "crafting contrived yet plausible scenarios to over-sell the utility of our service" has become such a critical part of AI vendor marketing.
TechRemarker 3mo ago
Been excited for Codex to fully merge into ChatGPT, like it already has on iOS and how Claude Code merged into Claude a while back. Assumed there would simply be an update for ChatGPT that added Codex like on iOS. But instead a new "ChatGPT for Work" app. Which is fine. Downloaded and it replaces the standard ChatGPT app, again fine an as expected, but when I open it I just see Codex essentially. In top left, when changing from Code to ChatGPT still not seeing all of my ChatGPT aka years of Chat History. Other than one a box that says recent chats that only lets you see the latest 3 or 4 chats and opens them up in a small window. Am I missing something?
overgard 3mo ago
Honestly, there's just no way I'm giving these tools broad access to my computer. Claude recently started bugging me that I hadn't configured it to be able to access my email, which like, fuck off anthropic. It just seems like a security nightmare and a dangerous level of trust to have in these companies. To me, it's like: here's a folder you can work in, and if you try to do anything outside of it you can fuck off because I'm uninstalling you. I just don't think it's worth dealing with things like potential identity theft or it doing something brain damaged to my data so it can search my inbox or summarize someone's overly-long LLM written email. I know some people run these things in VMs which is smart, but as soon as you give it any sort of network access or access to sensitive data it's just way too big of a risk vector.
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thomas_witt 3mo ago
It took me a while until I found that you can switch between those two parts Work and Codex within the app on the left top corner when clicking on "ChatGPT Codex". And then - nothing happens. The old ChatGPT projects of my chats are gone, only appearing on the web. Wow, what a bad UX pattern.
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xlii 3mo ago
Not very thrilled mainly because I used chats for ad-hoc search queries. Now it's hard to reach. Not to mention private chats being removed. Regarding "ChatGPT Work" vs "ChatGPT Codex" - In Work diffs are gone and in new chats there's a popup proposing creating docs or sheets. That's it I believe.
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quinncom 3mo ago
> The updated ChatGPT desktop app (opens in a new window) is available globally today for Mac and Windows, with Chat, Work, and Codex available to users on every plan, including Free. > If you already use the Codex app, you can update it as usual and it will become the new ChatGPT desktop app. Developers can make Codex the default view when they open the desktop app and choose the Codex logo as the app icon. Desktop Codex projects remain accessible on the go through the ChatGPT mobile app. The existing version of the ChatGPT desktop app will be renamed ChatGPT Classic. --- Edit: I just got the update – the new ChatGPT.app is 1.46 GB
- quinncom 3mo ago
  Update after using the new ChatGPT.app for a bit: Lots of old ChatGPT functionality missing: - No voice mode - No Deep Research - No explicit Search toggle - No Record mode (meeting summarizer) - No Canvas (good riddance) - No custom GPTs - Old chat threads are hidden (have to open a new chat, then click “See all” under “Recent chats” – or use the “Search Tasks…” function) Does the new ChatGPT app still separate ChatGPT and Codex usage quotas, or does all usage now count against the Codex limit?
RobinL 3mo ago
Does using chat in the new codex app use up your allowance? Any indication openai are moving to a model where al usage is metered?
polyrand 3mo ago
On one hand, this had to happen at some point. I feel the split between ChatGPT vs. Codex wasn't helping OpenAI. Anthropic did it right from the beginning by unifying everything in the same application. From my perspective, Codex is much better than any other app, but for non-technical users they were still stuck in ChatGPT only, and "nobody" knew about Codex. Anthropic also did it better by putting everything under the "Claude" brand: Claude Code, Claude Cowork, etc. Compared to ChatGPT vs Codex. OpenAI seems to be trying to revert that unwanted split. With that said, I share the sentiment that it's 100% unclear what's the difference between Codex and Work. Chats now are a second-class citizen of the app. Although the "Attach to task" feature of chats looks useful. Putting "Chats" below the "Tasks" section would have been much better. This may end up badly. Most people use ChatGPT just for regular chats, and they are not used to "agentic" interactions. It may take people time to adapt, and you can definitely lose users during that transition. This also seems to have indirect implications regarding pricing. Codex (and Work) consume credits. Chats were also limited before, but you could mostly use ChatGPT without thinking about it. Now people will inevitably use Codex/Work more, simply because that's what the UI shows them, thus consuming credits. This will force you to keep an eye on credits a lot more. Others have mentioned that the old ChatGPT can't be installed any more. Only if you had it installed before, it now became ChatGPT Classic. However, you can still add the chatgpt.com page as a Web App. You'll need an internet connection to use it, but the old ChatGPT app wasn't working properly without internet anyway... so the overall experience may not be that different. I'd even say that, to me, the web UI has always felt more polished than the native app.
throw14082020 3mo ago
Desktop app situation is truly a mess for the trillion dollar AI companies, OpenAI and Anthropic. After updating codex, it disappeared and chatdpt was still the old version. So I downloaded the latest chat gct from the website and it just said: "Couldn't install ChatGPT" So I had to open Claude which was just a completely blank screen to try and debug the installation of ChatGPT.
aleshh 3mo ago
Man do I hate applications that create folders in my Documents folder.
kveykva 3mo ago
Did OpenAI obliterate the ability to use Codex from mobile the way you can use Claude Code on iOS?
- andrewguenther 3mo ago
  No, remotes still work fine
GMoromisato 3mo ago
I agree that the new UX is confusing and ill-designed. A UI is supposed to help the user develop a mental model for what's happening under the covers. But what's happening when you switch from ChatGPT Work to ChatGPT Codex? If I switch it while in an existing session, nothing seems to happen. Does that mean it did nothing? If so, why let the user switch it at all. When I switch it in the new conversation state, the help text changes from "What should we build?" to "What should we get done?". As near as I can tell, the switch gives me access to different sets of tools. But does that mean that some tools are not available in both modes? Why? Why not let the agent access all tools and pick the one based on context? Why are you forcing me to choose up front? And what happens if I choose poorly? I get that OpenAI is moving fast, but I feels like a single round of usability testing might have helped.
ph4rsikal 3mo ago
ChatGPT Codex launches, and it's the worst of both worlds. Who would have thought?
OkWing99 3mo ago
I think their goal is to merge Codex and ChatGPT usage. Why did they break a perfectly working system. Instead of keeping Codex work isolated, now I have to deal with other constant changing bloat.
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inventor7777 3mo ago
It's probably been commented here before but I'll add my voice: they did NOT think this through. If you're gonna try and make people use one app for everything, at least make it differently optimized between modes. And how are you supposed to chat with ChatGPT while Codex works on a technical task?! (once they retire Classic)
dnnehgf 3mo ago
it's interesting to watch a bunch of iq-worshipping rationalists learn in real time that above some threshold greater intelligence does not matter much to people, except insofar as it allows them to spend less time doing the thing they hate: working, that is, any activity where the whole point is to be done with it. most of life is not like that. work is like that. so work is where greater [1] intelligence could in principle be valuable. [1] to use this "greater" we have to imagine we live in the fantasy world where we can measure it in one dimension.
aniviacat 3mo ago
There's actually something interesting about the Work tab on the ChatGPT website: As a ChatGPT Plus user, the maximum effort level I can set in the Chat tab is "High", but in the Work tab I can set it to "Extra High" and even "Max".
toinewx 3mo ago
catastrophic design regarding chats. sticking to web version for now
geonic 3mo ago
Wow, this is the worst update I've ever seen. Highly confusing and atrocious UX. Where are my chats? Where are my projects? Why do I get a window inside the ChatGPT app for new chats now? Why does switching between Work and Codex not do anything? Are both the same? How can a company like OpenAI mess up so badly? Unless I figure out a painful way to work with this, I don't see myself using this anymore. EDIT 1: I just want a list of my chats. Insane how they butchered their app. Work sounds nice until yo find out that none of the plugins work for my apps and there 5 hour are usage limits like CC does them. EDIT 2: This is trash. They buried chats so deep in the new app they're unusable now. The whole list is hidden, and yo can't search for chats anymore. Also my projects are gone on macOS. In the iOS app my latest project has become a pinned folder? A function that doesn't even exist in the macOS app. EDIT 3: Managed to get the old version back using home-brew. OpenAI help pages say the old app should remain as ChatGPT Classic but it didn't for me and there is no download offered. I'm not interested in Work.
- steve1977 3mo ago
  > How can a company like OpenAI mess up so badly? It's exactly companies like OpenAI who can mess up like this. It's mostly just hot air, but with a lot of money to burn.
z11i 3mo ago
There shouldn't be a cognitive difference between chat, work, or codex. It seems strange that both Anthropic and OpenAI would want to split their products in this way. IMHO, there should be just projects. Within each project, there can be conversations, and each conversation can either be pure chats, or tools use (work), or coding (codex). Whether tools use or coding are needed should be decided entirely on the context. No one thinks about the solution first -- we don't think "hey Imma need to code something". It's always "I have a problem, and after discussing with the AI, the best approach is to use tools or write some code about it". This observed inverse in the GUI: product first, project later could be another evidence of Conway's law [^1] [^1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
kylejgwcr 3mo ago
OpenAI just burned through a lot of tokens with everyone asking ChatGPT, "I'm confused, how do I use the new ChatGPT app with work and codex and what's the difference between the browser and mobile versions?"

353 points by Tiberium 3mo ago

> With Codex technology built-in, ChatGPT can now move beyond answering questions to getting real work done across web, mobile, and desktop. This looks like OpenAI catching up to Anthropic's Cowork.

wahnfrieden 3mo ago
The capabilities were launched months ago. This is just retiring the ChatGPT app and replacing it with Codex for the masses.

hiccuphippo 3mo ago

Can it replace my manager?

delichon 3mo ago
Yes and your new one will be paying much closer attention to you.

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unholiness 3mo ago

So, Claude Cowork for OpenAI? Feels overdue! I've loved using Cowork recently for sourcing decisions. Things where seemingly everyone's out of stock or questionably reputable, just let Cowork spin for 20 minutes, find the best new and best used options that meet your requirements, probably also suggesting a different item that does the job and is available for cheap. I've done it enough that I'm starting to loathe clicking through these sites myself.

paxys 3mo ago
Feels like forever in the AI world but Claude Cowork only launched ~5 months ago. So not that overdue.
- wahnfrieden 3mo ago
  The capabilities were launched months ago. This is just retiring the ChatGPT app and replacing it with Codex for the masses edit reply because rate-limited: They were exposed via the Codex desktop app and controllable via the iOS app.
  - nolok 3mo ago
    The capabilities are useless if you don't expose them, and a cli or api doesn't. You'll mention their marketing page keeps talking about finance, sales, management etc...
    - wahnfrieden 3mo ago
      It was in app
johnwheeler 3mo ago
In my experience, claude cowork has been pretty much useless. for the desktop control, it just seems like the The accessibility stuff is just not there yet on macOS to support it.

CSMastermind 3mo ago

How is this different than Codex?

beastman82 3mo ago
It has a new name!
wahnfrieden 3mo ago
They are replacing ChatGPT with Codex
- esafak 3mo ago
  Which is funny because OpenAI talks up the value of their ChatGPT brand. Only coders know Codex.
  - paxys 3mo ago
    Which is why the combined app is called ChatGPT, not Codex.
paxys 3mo ago
Rebranding + expanding it beyond coding work.
- CSMastermind 3mo ago
  > expanding it beyond coding work Is there anything it can do that codex can't?
heisgone 3mo ago
They add a mode to Codex which is less technical or more oriented toward office work and you can toggle between the two.
- LUmBULtERA 3mo ago
  Literally no UI changes when I toggle between the two. It's 100% identical, one is not less technical than the other.

tekacs 3mo ago

Anthropic just changed their web interface yesterday to have Chat versus Cowork as well, and every time I look at it, I'm so confused. I'm still so unclear when I'm supposed to use one or the other or the other. Now the 'ChatGPT desktop app' (the Codex app, renamed) also has the split between work and code, and as far as I can tell, all it does is change which plugins are loaded by default to include Office ones when you put it in work mode. Perhaps it also changes the system prompt slightly?

gigatree 3mo ago
Not sure if the cause but there’s this overarching absolute neglect of UX. Maybe they’re all just trying to grab as much market share as humanly possible, but imo it seems more likely they’ll lose each segment to products that actually make sure the experience isn’t absolute dog shit.
- ljm 3mo ago
  Anthropic's suite of products have practically zero cohesion across each other. I've said it some time before. There is no clear product vision or overarching roadmap in terms of users and UX, it is just vaguely connected things being vibe-coded in parallel.
  - nitwit005 3mo ago
    > it is just vaguely connected things being vibe-coded in parallel. That does sound like what would tend to happen if they used their own product exclusively.
  - gwerbin 3mo ago
    OpenCode is a great choice if you want an agent harness that actually works consistently across GUI, TUI, and ACP.

thimabi 3mo ago

I wonder why they haven’t simply continued to rebrand Codex as a general-purpose tool. ChatGPT Work is a convoluted name and continues the trend of having separate brands for separate things, what runs counter to OpenAI’s purported goal of unifying every workflow into a single “superapp”. Worse still: what happens when your workflow involves both coding and general knowledge work? Are you expected to switch apps, or switch settings? To me, it sounds very confusing and inefficient, and not at all what I was expecting.

beering 3mo ago
because every non-programmer hears “codex” and thinks that it’s for coding only - seems like a large hurdle to adoption. claude has been successful with cowork branding which makes sense.
- serial_dev 3mo ago
  It looks like the ChatGPT is a very strong brand despite the confusing name (who the hell knows what GPT stands for?)
  - paxys 3mo ago
    Doesn’t really matter what it stands for. ChatGPT is one of the most recognizable brands in the world right now.
    - copperx 3mo ago
      It never matters. Remember 'Google'? People thought it was the dumbest / dorkiest name ever.
sailingparrot 3mo ago
> I wonder why they haven’t simply continued to rebrand Codex as a general-purpose tool. They have, if you try to download ChatGPT app, it actually downloads codex now, and the first screen is "Codex is now the ChatGPT App"

nickphx 3mo ago

who cares?

xgulfie 3mo ago

I sure hope it does!

marksully 3mo ago

Codex just started downloading an update and it's gone. It removed itself. I guess it's supposed to be a part of ChatGPT now, but I cannot see any update there yet. btw I kinda hate this, because ChatGPT was always very slow for me - possibly due to amount of historical threads I have there

marksully 3mo ago
Ok, I had to re-download Codex from OpenAI's webpage and click update again. Now it's actually different, but I must say it was all a bit confusing.

postalcoder 3mo ago

I just installed this. I am very confused. I no longer have a Codex app on my computer. ChatGPT is now Codex. But what happened to ChatGPT? Where am I supposed to casually chat? Also, when you toggle btween ChatGPT Work and ChatGPT Codex, nothing changes. This is super confusing. Can someone from the OpenAI team clarify the difference btwn the modes? Does chatgpt work have more business-y related plugins turned on by default? Edit: So it seems like the only place you can actually chat with chatgpt is in an awkward homeless nested window. idk. The chatgpt interface wasn't great (desperately needed artifacts), but I still used it a lot. I can't see this change going well with a lot of the casual users. Edit2: In their awkward homeless nested chat mode, you cannot even edit past messages. this is a mess, why was the team so zealous to pull the switch on unification in this state? guessing there was internal pressure to juice codex's growth but, based on what im seeing, they did it by torching chatgpt? Edit 3: Ok so it seems like ChatGPT is still around, but renamed to "ChatGPT Classic". Seems like it wont be long for this world because there's no place to download ChatGPT Classic should you choose to uninstall it. The dmg at https://chatgpt.com/download/ https://chatgpt.com/download/ only contains the new ChatGPT.

smoe 3mo ago
The only difference I can see is that the controls for local/remote, branch, and worktrees disappear, and instead it shows office suite plugins. I would presume it affects the system prompt in the background? Very confusing. But I do find it potentially interesting to treat general office work no differently from coding, which is something I had already been using Codex for in many ways before today
paxys 3mo ago
It’s all ChatGPT under the hood. Even though it says Work or Codex or whatever you can just ask it whatever you want, and it will work.
- postalcoder 3mo ago
  > Even though it says Work or Codex or whatever you can just ask it whatever you want, and it will work. No it's not. Codex creates a new folder in `~/Documents` in iCloud drive/OneDrive for every single thread you make. Furthermore, these threads are also polluted with your global AGENTS.md file, as well as all other developer_instructions that are injected by the harness. I want my chat isolated from work contexts.

etchalon 3mo ago

It'd be super nice if tech companies stopped just building the same product and gave us concretely different ideas.

thm 3mo ago

OpenAI clearly failed to consult ChatGPT for branding advice.

CamperBob2 3mo ago
At least they didn't consult the USB Forum, which is what they have done in the past.

sergiotapia 3mo ago

I wish OpenAI had a family plan. I would love to pay and have my wife and kids use ChatGPT on a single subscription.

Razengan 3mo ago
You could try Group Chats, though I'm not sure they will use the higher models of the subscribing participants..
- quinncom 3mo ago
  ChatGPT Group Chats were retired July 9. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12703475-retiring-group-chats-in-chatgpt https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12703475-retiring-group-...
  - Razengan 3mo ago
    Sora, Codex, and now Group Chats.. they really want to become the next Google
nickthegreek 3mo ago
I ended up going the with gemini to provide sota ai to my family in an affordable way. You could always make your chatgpt sub accessible to your family via discord with a bot that codex can produce in under 5mins.
toephu2 3mo ago
They have this, it's essentially ChatGPT Business. And if you use an Amex Plat card, it's basically free (plenty of ChatGPT 50% off links going around, or at least there were a few weeks ago).

matchbok3 3mo ago

Very interesting approach, however I wonder if the combination of Codex + Work in the same app makes sense? I could see a world where the technical needs of a developer are hampered by the overall superapp architecture. I guess we'll see?

JakeStone 3mo ago

Yeah... No. I can get some useful results from codex at work, because I have to, except for when I don't. I accept that risk factor and compensate by reviewing _everything_ it spits out. But we all know what coding is, in a very broad stroke manner, sure. What does an end of month report mean? I automatically increase the font size when I send the spreadsheet to Paul. I review tickets and provide a meta write-up on Friday. Or maybe Monday, because Fred didn't get back to me until 5:30 Friday, and I closed my laptop at 4. These are just little things, and they're repetitive, but each time, there's some little idiosyncracy. I have reservations regarding any piece of software being able to finesse that.

kirykl 3mo ago

All models I’ve used have been exceptionally bad at creating a high level business oriented vision and strategy from various inputs. The output just feels like it can’t see past the next word, or render distance, misses the big picture and anything not specified in prompt or input context

ranyume 3mo ago
This is true but I also find the opposite true: the model is highly dependent on the input/prompt, to the point that it can't think beyond it or about it.

serial_dev 3mo ago

Am I the only one who thinks this landing page is garbage? Funkily it feels like a long wall of slop. I guess you shouldn’t get high on your own supply.

pgm8705 3mo ago

The resulting "combined" Codex + ChatGPT mac app is super confusing. I use the Codex app with my work account, but I liked the old ChatGPT app, which I kept logged in with my personal account, for my LLM chat needs. I guess I can just use ChatGPT.com, but this was a rather jarring change.

bschoepke 3mo ago
If you really want, you can cmd+T and go to chatgpt.com within the ChatGPT app haha
- quinncom 3mo ago
  Excellent, problem solved.

michelb 3mo ago

So I've now lost all my ChatGPT chats? Or did they hide them? I see some of them, but the history is inaccessible?? Edit: I found them back in the 'classic' version of the app. Wildly confusing what is going to happen to the data there, chats, projects, custom GPT's. This is going to be fun tomorrow when everyone at the company I work at finds out all their chats, projects and GPT’s are ‘gone’ after they ‘update’. And not a word about this switcheroo ‘data loss’ in their comms. Wow.

DANmode 3mo ago
Can you not SSO into the browser-based version of the app?
- danorama 3mo ago
  I think part of the concern here is that these app changes could be a trial balloon for identical web-side changes in the not too distant future. Given the product judgment shown in this particular release, it doesn’t seem to be out of the question.
  - DANmode 3mo ago
    It’s true. Their ball, their court, their game!

gabriel-uribe 3mo ago

The toggle feels useless in the desktop app. It just changes a few shortcuts?! Admittedly, I was already using Codex a bit like Claude Cowork. I'm just surprised they decided to merge threads.

woodylondon 3mo ago

I have a longer version of this, but in summary So my understanding of the differences between chat, code and co-work; but may well be wrong! Chat is the human, talking directly to the LLM - old school. Very basic can create docs etc - but saves in a temp folder. No real access to your local PC. Cowork / work - Human talking to an agent, which can then use tools to do work. Also runs in a container, allowing it access to your drives/computer. Claude Code / Codex - No longer in a container, full access to the computer, depending on what permissions you give. No longer locked in a container. + The agent is more focused on coding than cowork / work.

sulam 3mo ago
> The agent is more focused on coding than cowork / work I suspect this difference is pretty minimal. Before Cowork launched I was using Claude Code in the way that I use Cowork now and getting pretty much the same results albeit without the sandboxing (which is more of a hassle than not, TBH). OpenAI says in their announcement that the same is true for Codex, which doesn't surprise me at all. These agentic loops are pretty applicable to all kinds of tasks, not just coding, and people started realizing this pretty quickly upon their introduction / creation.
- odo1242 3mo ago
  Cowork is just Claude Code + tools to read Microsoft Office files
lagrange77 3mo ago
I don't know why you're downvoted. This is field is so rapidly changing and confusing and on top of that burried underneath a shitload of new marketing terms.
Onavo 3mo ago
Claude code is sandboxed by default no?
alberth 3mo ago
This is helpful but ... What's the distinction between Work and Codex again? Sorry for asking - but they read the same to me. It's just a focus on coding vs non-coding work?

lukebuehler 3mo ago

I think these kind of semi-coding agents--but hosted--are the future for enterprises. Claude Tag, Claude Cowork, now Work by OAI. Agents-on-your-machine clearly have their place, but for many workflows this is too unruly. Hence, the "long-running agent running on shared infra" pattern. I think this is where the ball is headed. I'm building towards an open source version of this[0]. Still just working on the core, but hopefully soon self-hosted versions can be built on top. [0] https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed

lagrange77 3mo ago
> I'm building towards an open source version of this Interesting. So the main use case would be entities that run lightspeed on a beefy private cloud or on premise?
- lukebuehler 3mo ago
  yes, basically people that want to host powerful, long-running agent runs not on dedicated VMs (although lightspeed can use those too), but on an abstraction layer above. My thesis is that the right abstraction is durable workflow engines. And AFAIK, OAI also uses Temporal for their complicated hosted agent infra.
ianm218 3mo ago
I came to the exact same conclusion recently. I am building something like lightspeed that can run on “pay per second” infra like fly.io sprites because I wanted to have an open claw style agent but not have to deal with paying for another VM.
- mtremsal 3mo ago
  Came to a similar decision 5 months ago and ended up building “seven” on Fly’s sprites: https://github.com/1to10partners/seven https://github.com/1to10partners/seven Nowadays, depending on the project’s complexity I either run just 1 sprite, several sprites, or in one case 1 permanent “CTO” VM (with a dedicated GH App identity) that specs work that a fleet of worker sprites pull and implement.

miltonlost 3mo ago

That graph of internal adoption rate is laughable. Their KPIs and work requirements probably heavily skewed the curve.

simonw 3mo ago

I just clicked "Upgrade" in the macOS Codex Desktop app and it relaunched with a new name, "ChatGPT". My existing install of the macOS ChatGPT app seems to have been renamed "ChatGPT Classic".

nebben64 3mo ago
just commented ton Tibo's post; they should have made things clearer and told us if the macOS ChatGPT app was going away. So I could either delete it or not be surprised when it rolls into something else :(

neil_s 3mo ago

I had switched from Claude Cowork to OAI Codex a month ago. This seems like a rebranding and app merging to make it more obvious. And switching between the newly named "ChatGPT Work" vs "ChatGPT Code" mostly just seems to increase the verbosity of technical outputs, while using the same harness underneath. I switched because Cowork felt like a bunch of features thrown in by engineers without thought to the UX. Codex solved a lot of those issues for me - remote control from mobile has native approval dialogs, and you can start new threads from mobile - you can remote control from another laptop - computer use doesn't hijack my computer from me because it uses a11y trees instead of screenshots - it was super unclear which skills were accessible to which surface (claude chat, cowork in app, code in app, code in cli). - codex chooses the right browser profile and gets stuck less often than cowork + claude-in-chrome. I know there are 3P skills to use playwright or the chrome CDP, but I've found the native browser use most productive even if slower. A few people here are missing the old ChatGPT app, but I found myself increasingly using Codex for casual chats too, and never using ChatGPT. You never know when the conversation might evolve to requiring tools in Codex, so no real downside to it. Yes, separation of work and personal accounts, or connecting multiple google accounts, is still unsolved on both Codex and Cowork AFAICT. For a bit, I got FOMO because of Fable, but now it looks like 5.6 might continue the monthly model leapfrog pattern.

todfox 3mo ago

This unification is garbage. Chats that are about topics other than programming projects are relegated to a tiny, unsearchable popup window. Renaming the old app "ChatGPT Classic" implies that it will be discontinued at some point. This is a serious regression. What existed before worked fine. I would expect the mode switcher to include a Chat mode, which would recreate the old, chat-focused UI, for asking about random topics. So, that's basically gone now. Technically, it's hidden and severely castrated. I hope someone from OpenAI reads this. You guys have made a serious design mistake. I suspect you'll be getting a lot of support requests along the lines of "Where did all my chats go?"

thimabi 3mo ago
I noticed the same thing. In the app, normal “Chat” threads are only available via a “Checking recent chats” window, while projects, GPTs, library… are completely absent. The web version of ChatGPT is confusing too. Now it has separate “Chat” and “Work” tabs (what about a Codex tab?), and it shifts the burden on the user to know when to use one or the other. Note that using the “Work” tab means using Codex usage limits [^1], but that’s hidden away in the settings. Also, apparently “GPT-5.6 Terra and GPT-5.6 Luna are not selectable in standard ChatGPT conversations” [^2] — so if you want to use these models, you must go to the Work tab or download the app. I don’t understand why there is so much fragmentation in what was supposed to be a unified app. The way that it is now, it’s far from intuitive. [^1]: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001275-chatgpt-work-and-codex https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001275-chatgpt-work-an... [^2]: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001354-gpt-56-in-chatgpt https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001354-gpt-56-in-chatg...
yieldcrv 3mo ago
I guess parasocial relationships with AI boyfriends and girlfriends don't pay as well as agentic SaaS slop
biffles 3mo ago
I agree. I'm not even sure what the solution is (it's admittedly complicated given how people use ChatGPT today in so many different ways) but it certainly isn't this. And this comes from someone that has most chats inside Codex, so I should be the least impacted by this!

imagetic 3mo ago

So confused.

egorfine 3mo ago

What they did to ChatGPT.app is incredible. It was a truly useful app, but the replacement is brain damaged in terms of UI/UX beyond repair. Incredible, really.

tencentshill 3mo ago
Good thing it's easy to switch to another provider. I wonder how long that will last.
TacticalCoder 3mo ago
Doesn't matter much though: for non-coding task Gemini is much better anyway. And as of now Google hasn't fuxx0red up Gemini yet.
- yokoprime 3mo ago
  are you using the free version?
jazzyjackson 3mo ago
Most shamefully and bearishly, in the AI golden age developers and knowledge workers alike are still beholden to use whatever software is shipped to them, instead of whatever system they can build for themselves.

anal_reactor 3mo ago

Microsoft is continuing the tradition of very confusing names

asim 3mo ago

This thread is so spot on but I can also imagine the product development internally is moving so fast that they're trying to reconcile everything and can't. And this is the huge mistake so many companies make. Leave what's working alone. Build new adjacent things. It's clear they want to make money and work or code is the focus of enterprise. But never rename something Classic...so bad.

btheconqueror 3mo ago
New Coke and Coke Classic
steve1977 3mo ago
> I can also imagine the product development internally is moving so fast that they're trying to reconcile everything and can't. What are they developing? I see no improvements (talking about the frontend / apps, not the models)
mcculley 3mo ago
This is an interesting data point amidst the anxiety about AI taking all of the jobs. Even OpenAI cannot leverage AI to do product management.
AaronAPU 3mo ago
If it’s any comfort, whoever did this made more money in a month than I’ll make in 10 years. Wait that’s not a comfort at all. Now I’m more upset.

sbarre 3mo ago

It's uncanny how much the job of "crafting contrived yet plausible scenarios to over-sell the utility of our service" has become such a critical part of AI vendor marketing.

TechRemarker 3mo ago

Been excited for Codex to fully merge into ChatGPT, like it already has on iOS and how Claude Code merged into Claude a while back. Assumed there would simply be an update for ChatGPT that added Codex like on iOS. But instead a new "ChatGPT for Work" app. Which is fine. Downloaded and it replaces the standard ChatGPT app, again fine an as expected, but when I open it I just see Codex essentially. In top left, when changing from Code to ChatGPT still not seeing all of my ChatGPT aka years of Chat History. Other than one a box that says recent chats that only lets you see the latest 3 or 4 chats and opens them up in a small window. Am I missing something?

overgard 3mo ago

Honestly, there's just no way I'm giving these tools broad access to my computer. Claude recently started bugging me that I hadn't configured it to be able to access my email, which like, fuck off anthropic. It just seems like a security nightmare and a dangerous level of trust to have in these companies. To me, it's like: here's a folder you can work in, and if you try to do anything outside of it you can fuck off because I'm uninstalling you. I just don't think it's worth dealing with things like potential identity theft or it doing something brain damaged to my data so it can search my inbox or summarize someone's overly-long LLM written email. I know some people run these things in VMs which is smart, but as soon as you give it any sort of network access or access to sensitive data it's just way too big of a risk vector.

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thomas_witt 3mo ago

It took me a while until I found that you can switch between those two parts Work and Codex within the app on the left top corner when clicking on "ChatGPT Codex". And then - nothing happens. The old ChatGPT projects of my chats are gone, only appearing on the web. Wow, what a bad UX pattern.

Capitanai 3mo ago

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xlii 3mo ago

Not very thrilled mainly because I used chats for ad-hoc search queries. Now it's hard to reach. Not to mention private chats being removed. Regarding "ChatGPT Work" vs "ChatGPT Codex" - In Work diffs are gone and in new chats there's a popup proposing creating docs or sheets. That's it I believe.

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quinncom 3mo ago

> The updated ChatGPT desktop app (opens in a new window) is available globally today for Mac and Windows, with Chat, Work, and Codex available to users on every plan, including Free. > If you already use the Codex app, you can update it as usual and it will become the new ChatGPT desktop app. Developers can make Codex the default view when they open the desktop app and choose the Codex logo as the app icon. Desktop Codex projects remain accessible on the go through the ChatGPT mobile app. The existing version of the ChatGPT desktop app will be renamed ChatGPT Classic. --- Edit: I just got the update – the new ChatGPT.app is 1.46 GB

quinncom 3mo ago
Update after using the new ChatGPT.app for a bit: Lots of old ChatGPT functionality missing: - No voice mode - No Deep Research - No explicit Search toggle - No Record mode (meeting summarizer) - No Canvas (good riddance) - No custom GPTs - Old chat threads are hidden (have to open a new chat, then click “See all” under “Recent chats” – or use the “Search Tasks…” function) Does the new ChatGPT app still separate ChatGPT and Codex usage quotas, or does all usage now count against the Codex limit?

RobinL 3mo ago

Does using chat in the new codex app use up your allowance? Any indication openai are moving to a model where al usage is metered?

polyrand 3mo ago

On one hand, this had to happen at some point. I feel the split between ChatGPT vs. Codex wasn't helping OpenAI. Anthropic did it right from the beginning by unifying everything in the same application. From my perspective, Codex is much better than any other app, but for non-technical users they were still stuck in ChatGPT only, and "nobody" knew about Codex. Anthropic also did it better by putting everything under the "Claude" brand: Claude Code, Claude Cowork, etc. Compared to ChatGPT vs Codex. OpenAI seems to be trying to revert that unwanted split. With that said, I share the sentiment that it's 100% unclear what's the difference between Codex and Work. Chats now are a second-class citizen of the app. Although the "Attach to task" feature of chats looks useful. Putting "Chats" below the "Tasks" section would have been much better. This may end up badly. Most people use ChatGPT just for regular chats, and they are not used to "agentic" interactions. It may take people time to adapt, and you can definitely lose users during that transition. This also seems to have indirect implications regarding pricing. Codex (and Work) consume credits. Chats were also limited before, but you could mostly use ChatGPT without thinking about it. Now people will inevitably use Codex/Work more, simply because that's what the UI shows them, thus consuming credits. This will force you to keep an eye on credits a lot more. Others have mentioned that the old ChatGPT can't be installed any more. Only if you had it installed before, it now became ChatGPT Classic. However, you can still add the chatgpt.com page as a Web App. You'll need an internet connection to use it, but the old ChatGPT app wasn't working properly without internet anyway... so the overall experience may not be that different. I'd even say that, to me, the web UI has always felt more polished than the native app.

throw14082020 3mo ago

Desktop app situation is truly a mess for the trillion dollar AI companies, OpenAI and Anthropic. After updating codex, it disappeared and chatdpt was still the old version. So I downloaded the latest chat gct from the website and it just said: "Couldn't install ChatGPT" So I had to open Claude which was just a completely blank screen to try and debug the installation of ChatGPT.

aleshh 3mo ago

Man do I hate applications that create folders in my Documents folder.

kveykva 3mo ago

Did OpenAI obliterate the ability to use Codex from mobile the way you can use Claude Code on iOS?

andrewguenther 3mo ago
No, remotes still work fine

GMoromisato 3mo ago

I agree that the new UX is confusing and ill-designed. A UI is supposed to help the user develop a mental model for what's happening under the covers. But what's happening when you switch from ChatGPT Work to ChatGPT Codex? If I switch it while in an existing session, nothing seems to happen. Does that mean it did nothing? If so, why let the user switch it at all. When I switch it in the new conversation state, the help text changes from "What should we build?" to "What should we get done?". As near as I can tell, the switch gives me access to different sets of tools. But does that mean that some tools are not available in both modes? Why? Why not let the agent access all tools and pick the one based on context? Why are you forcing me to choose up front? And what happens if I choose poorly? I get that OpenAI is moving fast, but I feels like a single round of usability testing might have helped.

ph4rsikal 3mo ago

ChatGPT Codex launches, and it's the worst of both worlds. Who would have thought?

OkWing99 3mo ago

I think their goal is to merge Codex and ChatGPT usage. Why did they break a perfectly working system. Instead of keeping Codex work isolated, now I have to deal with other constant changing bloat.

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inventor7777 3mo ago

It's probably been commented here before but I'll add my voice: they did NOT think this through. If you're gonna try and make people use one app for everything, at least make it differently optimized between modes. And how are you supposed to chat with ChatGPT while Codex works on a technical task?! (once they retire Classic)

dnnehgf 3mo ago

it's interesting to watch a bunch of iq-worshipping rationalists learn in real time that above some threshold greater intelligence does not matter much to people, except insofar as it allows them to spend less time doing the thing they hate: working, that is, any activity where the whole point is to be done with it. most of life is not like that. work is like that. so work is where greater [1] intelligence could in principle be valuable. [1] to use this "greater" we have to imagine we live in the fantasy world where we can measure it in one dimension.

aniviacat 3mo ago

There's actually something interesting about the Work tab on the ChatGPT website: As a ChatGPT Plus user, the maximum effort level I can set in the Chat tab is "High", but in the Work tab I can set it to "Extra High" and even "Max".

toinewx 3mo ago

catastrophic design regarding chats. sticking to web version for now

geonic 3mo ago

Wow, this is the worst update I've ever seen. Highly confusing and atrocious UX. Where are my chats? Where are my projects? Why do I get a window inside the ChatGPT app for new chats now? Why does switching between Work and Codex not do anything? Are both the same? How can a company like OpenAI mess up so badly? Unless I figure out a painful way to work with this, I don't see myself using this anymore. EDIT 1: I just want a list of my chats. Insane how they butchered their app. Work sounds nice until yo find out that none of the plugins work for my apps and there 5 hour are usage limits like CC does them. EDIT 2: This is trash. They buried chats so deep in the new app they're unusable now. The whole list is hidden, and yo can't search for chats anymore. Also my projects are gone on macOS. In the iOS app my latest project has become a pinned folder? A function that doesn't even exist in the macOS app. EDIT 3: Managed to get the old version back using home-brew. OpenAI help pages say the old app should remain as ChatGPT Classic but it didn't for me and there is no download offered. I'm not interested in Work.

steve1977 3mo ago
> How can a company like OpenAI mess up so badly? It's exactly companies like OpenAI who can mess up like this. It's mostly just hot air, but with a lot of money to burn.

z11i 3mo ago

There shouldn't be a cognitive difference between chat, work, or codex. It seems strange that both Anthropic and OpenAI would want to split their products in this way. IMHO, there should be just projects. Within each project, there can be conversations, and each conversation can either be pure chats, or tools use (work), or coding (codex). Whether tools use or coding are needed should be decided entirely on the context. No one thinks about the solution first -- we don't think "hey Imma need to code something". It's always "I have a problem, and after discussing with the AI, the best approach is to use tools or write some code about it". This observed inverse in the GUI: product first, project later could be another evidence of Conway's law [^1] [^1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law

kylejgwcr 3mo ago

OpenAI just burned through a lot of tokens with everyone asking ChatGPT, "I'm confused, how do I use the new ChatGPT app with work and codex and what's the difference between the browser and mobile versions?"