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Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

104 points by malshe 4mo ago

jnwatson 4mo ago
Crazy I saw one of the victim's grandchildren post on Reddit yesterday and thought it should make the news.
- tetromino_ 4mo ago
  The grandchildren's post: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/1uardtu/driver_drove_through_home_and_killed_my_grandma/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/1uardtu/driver...
rvz 4mo ago
Whether if it is either autopilot or Fools Self Driving mode, if this driver did not have their hands on the wheel then he is absolutely in deep trouble. Tesla themselves got into trouble after previous crashes and are finally telling their drivers to keep their hands on the wheel at all times, and toned down their false advertising.
- nashashmi 4mo ago
  Hands on wheel doesn’t absolve the FSD from stopping the car before hitting the wall/object. And the person. This was completely avoidable.
- iancarroll 4mo ago
  The latest FSD does not attempt to check if your hands are on the wheel at all.
  - paulryanrogers 4mo ago
    Does it do alternate checks for human awareness, like gaze detection?
    - golem14 4mo ago
      Yes. But if you place screens strategically, the camera won't be able to see that you use them.
- SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
  Whatever they do or don't say in the fine print, they and their CEO clearly communicate to every Tesla owner I've met that you do not have to keep your hands on the wheel. tesla.com/fsd has a splash page showing someone driving the car hands-free. I do agree that the driver should also be held responsible.
- TurdF3rguson 4mo ago
  I can't imagine the lawyers going after him when they can go after the world's only trillionaire.
powerbroker 4mo ago
Something is terribly broken in the software release process that constantly allows a worse user experience (including autonomous) as Tesla 'matures' its operations. I'm driving a Tesla, that recently added a 'warning' over a center-display showing the three rear-pointing cameras. 1. The cameras only show while operating in reverse; 2. The warning entirely obscures 30-50% of the view in one or more cameras; 3. The warning tells you that there is dirt or debris on the camera. So, you are warned, that your vision, via the cameras could be better -- by deliberately worsening the view. Genius.
- jcgrillo 4mo ago
  Made my day lol. Brilliant.
- andrewinardeer 4mo ago
  Cameras get dirty and it is unreasonable to think that they wouldn't. This would force my hand to clean the cameras. Why is this a bad thing?
  - helf 4mo ago
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- FireBeyond 4mo ago
  Used to work in the hardware industry. Friend worked for a company who was a component manufacturer about the mindset of Tesla - which affirmed to him why he'd never buy one: "Hey, we sent you over the new firmware for the component, check it out." (The test suite for this component takes approximately 36 hours to execute.) Three hours later: "This is working so much better, thanks a lot!" "???" "Oh, we just flashed a car we have here and took it out for a drive." "?!?" Oof.
theturtletalks 4mo ago
I wonder if they will implement dead zones for self-driving. I was using a Lime scooter in a new city and when I entered a university campus, the scooter slowed to a crawl. I don’t understand why a person would need FSD in a suburb street.
- giza182 4mo ago
  If FSD proves to be demonstrably safer in such a scenario then it would make sense to use it there.
  - uoaei 4mo ago
    All of the optimism surrounding this industry hinges on "ifs" that never materialize.
    - jcgrillo 4mo ago
      It's shocking. I can't understand why people repeatedly fall for it.
      - ares623 4mo ago
        My nightmare has become reality. Software engineers now rule the world. Life and death policies being made by people who last week you were arguing about whether using Kubernetes is worth it for a throwaway project, or whether tabs or spaces are more appropriate.
        jcgrillo 4mo ago
        I just wonder how bad it will have to get before they decide we need to be reigned in. Going by how the 20th Century went, if it's anything like that we're in for a rough time before we get there--like, to a place where software engineers have to act like, well, engineers.
        4mo ago
agnosticmantis 4mo ago
As long as Tesla doesn't insure their cars (whenever in self-driving mode) completely for the price of their FSD, it's not FSD, just scammy marketing by a chronic charlatan.
plandis 4mo ago
The title is misleading and shifts blame from the driver to the machine. Ultimately the driver is responsible. Edit: For the folks who seem to think that this is marketed as unsupervised self driving, from Teslas own website it states “Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.” https://www.tesla.com/fsd https://www.tesla.com/fsd
- theshackleford 4mo ago
  Looks accurate to the content to me.
- surgical_fire 4mo ago
  If it is Full-Self Driving, the machine is the driver. The company providing is ultimately responsible.
- mattoxic 4mo ago
  The tell is the the name. Full Self Driving.
  - deleted 4mo ago
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- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > Ultimately the driver is responsible Recent lawsuits [1] seem to suggest both are. The driver committed manslaughter and should go to jail. The company sold a dangerous product that killed someone and should pay massive damages. [1] https://electrek.co/2026/04/16/tesla-facing-up-to-14-billion-lawsuits-deep-dive/ https://electrek.co/2026/04/16/tesla-facing-up-to-14-billion...
  - dlcarrier 4mo ago
    It's not even a recent thing. Before the turn of the century, jurors holding Cessna liable for incidents cause by pilot error was a common enough occurrence that it basically destroyed the light airplane industry through skyrocketing liability insurance prices.
wnmurphy 4mo ago
The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > telemetry will tell the story Idk, the death-toll gap between Tesla and Waymo seems to tell a story enough.
  - Reason077 4mo ago
    There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer. This article never mentions FSD, only Autopilot.
    - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
      > There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents It’s tough to say given many data sources are aggregated. For what it’s worth, my parents’ car is a Tesla with FSD and I’ve stopped it from, off the top of my head, racing into a red-lit intersection, running over a small dog and running into a closing garage door. I still use it. It mostly works. But I’m vigilantly monitoring it in a way that isn’t supported by Tesla’s marketing (which frequently shows drivers engaging it hands off).
      - Reason077 4mo ago
        The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing. I’m surprised about the red lights and animals, however: ours seems very cautious around any kind of live animal on the road, even braking and manoeuvring to avoid birds on the road. It’s not so good at avoiding the corpses of already dead ones, however (bump!).
srameshc 4mo ago
Many Tesla owners I know are 100% convinced Assited Driving is 100% safe and reliable and can not go wrong.
theturtle 4mo ago
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bellowsgulch 4mo ago
It's just not a serious technology. Street-by-street speed limit data exists, and where it doesn't, there are laws across the US as to what speed limits are based on area. Tons of map data to tell you where is residential and commercial, a street and a highway, an on-ramp, and so on. But FSD doesn't abide by speed limits, and Waymo does, and it is truly self-driving. So, it's all bullshit. Since day one, it's never been a real attempt at autonomous, legal, safe driving.
- FireBeyond 4mo ago
  There used to be UI options for "by how much can FSD exceed the posted speed limit" and "should FSD actually come to a stop at a stop sign".
aetherspawn 4mo ago
Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house? Why was he going fast enough? Sad for all involved. Edit: my experience is HW4 by the way.
- paulryanrogers 4mo ago
  > 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house? Why was he going fast enough? Why is it called "Full Self Driving" if the person behind the wheel must control (or even just monitor) the speed?
  - aetherspawn 4mo ago
    That’s exactly the thing. We’re on FSD 13 and America is on FSD 14, we’re always about a year behind. Yours is significantly better than ours (being RHD market), but ours still wouldn’t drive through a house.
    - erentz 4mo ago
      You’re extremely confident about this just based on your experience of it not happening to you. It’s good that it hasn’t driven you into a house but that doesn’t mean it can’t fail in a way that does drive someone else into a house.
      - aetherspawn 4mo ago
xnx 4mo ago
Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period. I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.
- magicalhippo 4mo ago
  My SO just complained about the same when she found out the jug labled weed killer she bought in fact affects all plants and grass, not just weeds. "Why isn't it called plant killer rather than weed killer", she griped. Why indeed.
- pjjpo 4mo ago
  I agree with the sentiment and don't like Elon at all. But I think there is a case to say the Full refers to features, so not only lane change / parking, but actual driving fully. If it said Perfect FSD or even High Quality FSD, that's definitely worse, but we have to acknowledge FSD can fully drive in many cases, not enough for me to be comfortable enough maybe, but comparing to rat poison seems like a stretch.
- general1465 4mo ago
  > "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" Water (Dry)
  - bumby 4mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water
    - spwa4 4mo ago
      Of course dry-water is actual water. Full self-driving isn't.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
  "I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something" Securities fraud Problem: need evidence of intent, e.g., Musk knew software would fail Example LaMontagne v. Tesla Claims https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.57.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Order https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.77.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Appeal https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.83.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... False advertising In progress, currently Tesla is appealing class certification Example In Re Tesla Advanced Driver Assistance Systems Litigation Claims https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.400427/gov.uscourts.cand.400427.102.0.pdf https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Tesla arguments https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea.7.0.pdf https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f97...
Snoozus 4mo ago
Here is a video from the youtube channel Better Biomed, from the scene, apparently it was his house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_8x-Y0jqg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_8x-Y0jqg
- sparky_z 4mo ago
  And doorbell footage of the crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_Y_yf84m8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_Y_yf84m8 Holy shit, it looks like it was going at full highway speeds (at least) in a residential neighborhood. Doesn't look like it attempts to stop or steer away at any point. This seems like the outcome one would expect from a passed-out driver and a stuck accelerator. I'm honestly amazed that the driver survived.
  - s1artibartfast 4mo ago
    Yeah, would be interesting to see what the cause is. These things do happen from time to time with cars
    - buildsjets 4mo ago
      Sometimes, it just happens. People explode. Natural causes.
  - iJohnDoe 4mo ago
    It looks like a culdesac? Why would it be driving that fast into a culdesac?
moralestapia 4mo ago
Someone needs to go to jail for this. Either the driver or someone at Tesla (their pick, who cares). This cannot go unpunished. Machines can never be held accountable.
- thephyber 4mo ago
  It seems your standards are pretty arbitrary. Personally I want to know that a provable crime was actually committed before calling for someone to be jailed.
  - aaomidi 4mo ago
    Also jailing basically doesn’t solve this problem?
    - moralestapia 4mo ago
      Whenever the victim happens to be you or your loved ones, I'd love to see you maintaining that character you seem to portray.
      - aaomidi 4mo ago
        And this is why justice is done by the state and not individual families?
1e1a 4mo ago
Why do news outlets so often use the phrase "high rate of speed"? Speed isn't a discrete event, it can't really have a rate, unless it is a rate of change, in which case they would be referring to acceleration.
- deleted 4mo ago
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- dekhn 4mo ago
  rate = distance / time
- occoder 4mo ago
  Yeah that's cringey, "high speed" is enough. Sounds like a junior reporter trying to hit a word count.
throwawaypath 4mo ago
Is there a Polymarket bet for this being Autopilot vs DWI? These types of accidents happen all the time, alcohol involved in many (most?).
fleroviumna 4mo ago
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burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
There's absolutely no way this was on autopilot. A) autopilot would not drive this fast in a nieghborhood and B) Autopilot would not drive into a house like this...
thefz 4mo ago
What will happen to the liable person? Nothing.
petilon 4mo ago
Previously: A Florida jury found that flaws in Tesla's self-driving software were partly to blame for a crash that killed a 22-year-old woman in 2019 and severely injured her boyfriend. The jury verdict requires Tesla to pay $243 million in punitive and compensatory damages to the parents of the woman and to her boyfriend. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-upholds-243-million-verdict-against-tesla-over-fatal-autopilot-crash-2026-02-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-upholds-243-million-v...
ralph84 4mo ago
What is "autopilot mode"? Tesla doesn't use that term.

104 points by malshe 4mo ago

jnwatson 4mo ago

Crazy I saw one of the victim's grandchildren post on Reddit yesterday and thought it should make the news.

tetromino_ 4mo ago
The grandchildren's post: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/1uardtu/driver_drove_through_home_and_killed_my_grandma/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/1uardtu/driver...

rvz 4mo ago

Whether if it is either autopilot or Fools Self Driving mode, if this driver did not have their hands on the wheel then he is absolutely in deep trouble. Tesla themselves got into trouble after previous crashes and are finally telling their drivers to keep their hands on the wheel at all times, and toned down their false advertising.

nashashmi 4mo ago
Hands on wheel doesn’t absolve the FSD from stopping the car before hitting the wall/object. And the person. This was completely avoidable.
iancarroll 4mo ago
The latest FSD does not attempt to check if your hands are on the wheel at all.
- paulryanrogers 4mo ago
  Does it do alternate checks for human awareness, like gaze detection?
  - golem14 4mo ago
    Yes. But if you place screens strategically, the camera won't be able to see that you use them.
SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
Whatever they do or don't say in the fine print, they and their CEO clearly communicate to every Tesla owner I've met that you do not have to keep your hands on the wheel. tesla.com/fsd has a splash page showing someone driving the car hands-free. I do agree that the driver should also be held responsible.
TurdF3rguson 4mo ago
I can't imagine the lawyers going after him when they can go after the world's only trillionaire.

powerbroker 4mo ago

Something is terribly broken in the software release process that constantly allows a worse user experience (including autonomous) as Tesla 'matures' its operations. I'm driving a Tesla, that recently added a 'warning' over a center-display showing the three rear-pointing cameras. 1. The cameras only show while operating in reverse; 2. The warning entirely obscures 30-50% of the view in one or more cameras; 3. The warning tells you that there is dirt or debris on the camera. So, you are warned, that your vision, via the cameras could be better -- by deliberately worsening the view. Genius.

jcgrillo 4mo ago
Made my day lol. Brilliant.
andrewinardeer 4mo ago
Cameras get dirty and it is unreasonable to think that they wouldn't. This would force my hand to clean the cameras. Why is this a bad thing?
- helf 4mo ago
  [dead]
FireBeyond 4mo ago
Used to work in the hardware industry. Friend worked for a company who was a component manufacturer about the mindset of Tesla - which affirmed to him why he'd never buy one: "Hey, we sent you over the new firmware for the component, check it out." (The test suite for this component takes approximately 36 hours to execute.) Three hours later: "This is working so much better, thanks a lot!" "???" "Oh, we just flashed a car we have here and took it out for a drive." "?!?" Oof.

theturtletalks 4mo ago

I wonder if they will implement dead zones for self-driving. I was using a Lime scooter in a new city and when I entered a university campus, the scooter slowed to a crawl. I don’t understand why a person would need FSD in a suburb street.

giza182 4mo ago
If FSD proves to be demonstrably safer in such a scenario then it would make sense to use it there.
- uoaei 4mo ago
  All of the optimism surrounding this industry hinges on "ifs" that never materialize.
  - jcgrillo 4mo ago
    It's shocking. I can't understand why people repeatedly fall for it.
    - ares623 4mo ago
      My nightmare has become reality. Software engineers now rule the world. Life and death policies being made by people who last week you were arguing about whether using Kubernetes is worth it for a throwaway project, or whether tabs or spaces are more appropriate.
      - jcgrillo 4mo ago
        I just wonder how bad it will have to get before they decide we need to be reigned in. Going by how the 20th Century went, if it's anything like that we're in for a rough time before we get there--like, to a place where software engineers have to act like, well, engineers.
        4mo ago

agnosticmantis 4mo ago

As long as Tesla doesn't insure their cars (whenever in self-driving mode) completely for the price of their FSD, it's not FSD, just scammy marketing by a chronic charlatan.

plandis 4mo ago

The title is misleading and shifts blame from the driver to the machine. Ultimately the driver is responsible. Edit: For the folks who seem to think that this is marketed as unsupervised self driving, from Teslas own website it states “Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.” https://www.tesla.com/fsd https://www.tesla.com/fsd

theshackleford 4mo ago
Looks accurate to the content to me.
surgical_fire 4mo ago
If it is Full-Self Driving, the machine is the driver. The company providing is ultimately responsible.
mattoxic 4mo ago
The tell is the the name. Full Self Driving.
- deleted 4mo ago
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JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> Ultimately the driver is responsible Recent lawsuits [1] seem to suggest both are. The driver committed manslaughter and should go to jail. The company sold a dangerous product that killed someone and should pay massive damages. [1] https://electrek.co/2026/04/16/tesla-facing-up-to-14-billion-lawsuits-deep-dive/ https://electrek.co/2026/04/16/tesla-facing-up-to-14-billion...
- dlcarrier 4mo ago
  It's not even a recent thing. Before the turn of the century, jurors holding Cessna liable for incidents cause by pilot error was a common enough occurrence that it basically destroyed the light airplane industry through skyrocketing liability insurance prices.

wnmurphy 4mo ago

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> telemetry will tell the story Idk, the death-toll gap between Tesla and Waymo seems to tell a story enough.
- Reason077 4mo ago
  There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer. This article never mentions FSD, only Autopilot.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents It’s tough to say given many data sources are aggregated. For what it’s worth, my parents’ car is a Tesla with FSD and I’ve stopped it from, off the top of my head, racing into a red-lit intersection, running over a small dog and running into a closing garage door. I still use it. It mostly works. But I’m vigilantly monitoring it in a way that isn’t supported by Tesla’s marketing (which frequently shows drivers engaging it hands off).
    - Reason077 4mo ago
      The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing. I’m surprised about the red lights and animals, however: ours seems very cautious around any kind of live animal on the road, even braking and manoeuvring to avoid birds on the road. It’s not so good at avoiding the corpses of already dead ones, however (bump!).

srameshc 4mo ago

Many Tesla owners I know are 100% convinced Assited Driving is 100% safe and reliable and can not go wrong.

theturtle 4mo ago

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bellowsgulch 4mo ago

It's just not a serious technology. Street-by-street speed limit data exists, and where it doesn't, there are laws across the US as to what speed limits are based on area. Tons of map data to tell you where is residential and commercial, a street and a highway, an on-ramp, and so on. But FSD doesn't abide by speed limits, and Waymo does, and it is truly self-driving. So, it's all bullshit. Since day one, it's never been a real attempt at autonomous, legal, safe driving.

FireBeyond 4mo ago
There used to be UI options for "by how much can FSD exceed the posted speed limit" and "should FSD actually come to a stop at a stop sign".

aetherspawn 4mo ago

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house? Why was he going fast enough? Sad for all involved. Edit: my experience is HW4 by the way.

paulryanrogers 4mo ago
> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house? Why was he going fast enough? Why is it called "Full Self Driving" if the person behind the wheel must control (or even just monitor) the speed?
- aetherspawn 4mo ago
  That’s exactly the thing. We’re on FSD 13 and America is on FSD 14, we’re always about a year behind. Yours is significantly better than ours (being RHD market), but ours still wouldn’t drive through a house.
  - erentz 4mo ago
    You’re extremely confident about this just based on your experience of it not happening to you. It’s good that it hasn’t driven you into a house but that doesn’t mean it can’t fail in a way that does drive someone else into a house.
    - aetherspawn 4mo ago

xnx 4mo ago

Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period. I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.

magicalhippo 4mo ago
My SO just complained about the same when she found out the jug labled weed killer she bought in fact affects all plants and grass, not just weeds. "Why isn't it called plant killer rather than weed killer", she griped. Why indeed.
pjjpo 4mo ago
I agree with the sentiment and don't like Elon at all. But I think there is a case to say the Full refers to features, so not only lane change / parking, but actual driving fully. If it said Perfect FSD or even High Quality FSD, that's definitely worse, but we have to acknowledge FSD can fully drive in many cases, not enough for me to be comfortable enough maybe, but comparing to rat poison seems like a stretch.
general1465 4mo ago
> "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" Water (Dry)
- bumby 4mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water
  - spwa4 4mo ago
    Of course dry-water is actual water. Full self-driving isn't.
1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
"I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something" Securities fraud Problem: need evidence of intent, e.g., Musk knew software would fail Example LaMontagne v. Tesla Claims https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.57.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Order https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.77.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Appeal https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.83.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... False advertising In progress, currently Tesla is appealing class certification Example In Re Tesla Advanced Driver Assistance Systems Litigation Claims https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.400427/gov.uscourts.cand.400427.102.0.pdf https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Tesla arguments https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea.7.0.pdf https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f97...

Snoozus 4mo ago

Here is a video from the youtube channel Better Biomed, from the scene, apparently it was his house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_8x-Y0jqg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_8x-Y0jqg

sparky_z 4mo ago
And doorbell footage of the crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_Y_yf84m8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_Y_yf84m8 Holy shit, it looks like it was going at full highway speeds (at least) in a residential neighborhood. Doesn't look like it attempts to stop or steer away at any point. This seems like the outcome one would expect from a passed-out driver and a stuck accelerator. I'm honestly amazed that the driver survived.
- s1artibartfast 4mo ago
  Yeah, would be interesting to see what the cause is. These things do happen from time to time with cars
  - buildsjets 4mo ago
    Sometimes, it just happens. People explode. Natural causes.
- iJohnDoe 4mo ago
  It looks like a culdesac? Why would it be driving that fast into a culdesac?

moralestapia 4mo ago

Someone needs to go to jail for this. Either the driver or someone at Tesla (their pick, who cares). This cannot go unpunished. Machines can never be held accountable.

thephyber 4mo ago
It seems your standards are pretty arbitrary. Personally I want to know that a provable crime was actually committed before calling for someone to be jailed.
- aaomidi 4mo ago
  Also jailing basically doesn’t solve this problem?
  - moralestapia 4mo ago
    Whenever the victim happens to be you or your loved ones, I'd love to see you maintaining that character you seem to portray.
    - aaomidi 4mo ago
      And this is why justice is done by the state and not individual families?

1e1a 4mo ago

Why do news outlets so often use the phrase "high rate of speed"? Speed isn't a discrete event, it can't really have a rate, unless it is a rate of change, in which case they would be referring to acceleration.

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dekhn 4mo ago
rate = distance / time
occoder 4mo ago
Yeah that's cringey, "high speed" is enough. Sounds like a junior reporter trying to hit a word count.

throwawaypath 4mo ago

Is there a Polymarket bet for this being Autopilot vs DWI? These types of accidents happen all the time, alcohol involved in many (most?).

fleroviumna 4mo ago

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burnerRhodov3 4mo ago

There's absolutely no way this was on autopilot. A) autopilot would not drive this fast in a nieghborhood and B) Autopilot would not drive into a house like this...

thefz 4mo ago

What will happen to the liable person? Nothing.

petilon 4mo ago

Previously: A Florida jury found that flaws in Tesla's self-driving software were partly to blame for a crash that killed a 22-year-old woman in 2019 and severely injured her boyfriend. The jury verdict requires Tesla to pay $243 million in punitive and compensatory damages to the parents of the woman and to her boyfriend. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-upholds-243-million-verdict-against-tesla-over-fatal-autopilot-crash-2026-02-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-upholds-243-million-v...

ralph84 4mo ago

What is "autopilot mode"? Tesla doesn't use that term.