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DeepSeek Introduces Vision
- exabrial 4mo agoThe product I want most is the ability to return to the late January 2026 version of Anthropic models.
- echelon 4mo agoThis is why we need open weights for everything. Nobody will cry when their AI girlfriend model gets revoked. You'll always have the weights. Presumably for the low cost of spinning up an H200 or two you can use the weights forever. No more claiming your LLM gets nerfed. No more claiming your video model can't do Spider-Man anymore.
- exabrial 4mo agoI think my main concern was productivity, but tell me more about this AI Girlfriend
- lucisferre 4mo agoDarling, we'll always have W_q, W_k, W_v, and W_o.
- flumes_whims_ 4mo agoIt's not just the weights. It is the system prompt, harness, safety filters, etc. Those can affect performance of the same underlying model significantly.
- rabbitlord 4mo agoH200 is not cheap, and I don't think you can run DeepSeek with full weight without any quantization on even two of them. Although open weights in theory are good, especially for developers and market competition, it is not as wonderful as you thought.
- tsss 4mo agoThese models are far too expensive to run yourself and independent LLM providers of open models do even more secret nerfing than the original creators because they have no reputation to lose.
- paulcole 4mo ago> Nobody will cry when their AI girlfriend model gets revoked These are the people who cry the loudest and there’s not a close second. They have infinite time to whine online (see /r/chatgpt after 4.5 went away).
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- innis226 4mo agoNice, is this available in the API now as well?
- RIshabh235 4mo agoNot in the api yet.
- naseemali925 4mo agoI am also waiting on the vision support in API. Its the only thing blocking me from buying their subscription.
- dakolli 4mo agoWhat subscription?
- naseemali925 4mo agoI mean't topup. They don't have subsciptions.
- crvdgc 4mo agoVision has been in A/B testing for a while now (at least in China). Is there an official announcement that this will be available for everyone?
- RIshabh235 4mo agoI haven't seen any official announcement yet, works for me though.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 4mo agoPoints to https://chat.deepseek.com/sign_in https://chat.deepseek.com/sign_in for me, that's just a login screen. Anything page with some info?
- RIshabh235 4mo agoNot in official news yet, but works for me https://files.catbox.moe/hnnnlx.png https://files.catbox.moe/hnnnlx.png
- thisisit 4mo agoOnly images or videos as well?
- RIshabh235 4mo agoimages only
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- bjoli 4mo agoWhat has been going on with deepseek recently? I have gotten lots of replies in Chinese and even more frequently, reasoning in Chinese as well. Is it a new silent update?
- abyssin 4mo agoIt doesn’t seem that recent to me, at least been like that for six months.
- Shank 4mo agoWell, it is a Chinese model, maybe it thinks better in Chinese?
- bogdan 4mo agoHànzì can use 30%-40% fewer tokens than English. So, yes, it probably thinks better in Chinese.
- Razengan 4mo agoIf so, would other models like ChatGPT benefit from translating the user's prompt to Chinese/Japanese and thinking in Hanzi/Kanji and then converting the response back to the user's language before displaying it?
- cocoflunchy 4mo agoI believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.
- seydor 4mo ago> summaries generated Or hallucinated
- earth2mars 4mo agoAnd it's really good and fast. Have tested with bunch of odd photos on what is happening. Overall the training set seems large enough to know what's what and where
- RIshabh235 4mo agoyes and I hope their rate of shipping increases after recent funding.
- andrewstuart 4mo agoOpenAI and Anthropic need to get this free foreign competition banned.
- epolanski 4mo agoCare to expand on why? Or did you forgot the /s at the end?
- dudisubekti 4mo agoI feel like '/s' has ruined irony on the internet. Irony is at its best if left ambiguous, lol.
- ReptileMan 4mo agoIf everything goes to plan everyone involved with big US models will be trillionaire and everyone else will poor and unemployed. If there are open and cheap to run Chinese models (and please god silicon) the financial house of cards that we have build will fall, people involved with big US models will be poor and unemployed, and everyone else will be slightly less poor and unemployed than in the first scenario. What is good for Dario is good for America.
- SkyBelow 4mo ago>and everyone else will poor and unemployed How so? Everyone would still have their skills to provide goods and services and everyone would still have wants for other's goods and services, so an economy would still run. AI can shift the economy but it doesn't lock the entire population out of the economy. It can lock out any one group because everyone else gets the good/services of that group for cheaper from the AI, but if everyone else can't afford the AI, if the AI locks everyone out, then they trade between themselves instead. And that is the sort of 'worst case possible' outcome, not even what is likely to happen as the AI makes some things much cheaper.
- arjie 4mo agoIf they'd do one of those little extraneous additions like Qwen does, so that I can have DS4 Flash with Vision that would be great. I've got to run a separate model entirely so that I can get vision and I'd prefer to just put it all in one space.
- RIshabh235 4mo agoMaybe they will do now as they got huge funding.
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- tornikeo 4mo agoI really need this as an API. Turns out, to use Claude Agents SDK, you need to have a vision enabled API. If Deepseek API could see, it can fully drive Claude Code and Claude Agents SDK. A project I'm working on relies on a Claude-in-CloudflareWorker setup and I've been relying on Qwen and gemini flash lite, both more expensive than Deepseek. Can't wait to have it available on deepseek.
- petesergeant 4mo agoHave you looked at MiniMax or MiMo? Available today via OpenRouter, and it’ll make the path to porting to DeepSeek a line change https://openrouter.ai/collections/vision-models https://openrouter.ai/collections/vision-models
- 5701652400 4mo agosame here. I am using Gemini 2.5 Flash as VSCode "vision proivder" for Deepseek V4 Pro, but it is expensive and not accurate. can't wait for native Deepseek vision.
- crazylogger 4mo agoXiaomi Mimo v2.5 is my favorite alternative. Matches DS v4 Flash (official) pricing exactly and supports image/audio/video input.
- jiehong 4mo agoFor those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are quite a few in the open).
- paulluuk 4mo agoCan you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.
- throawayonthe 4mo agoit's very confusing. maaaybe if the stt is good and fast enough, speaking may be faster? english speakers can probably hit 150-180 wpm but seems like a hassle
- stranded22 4mo agoAccessibility.
- arcanemachiner 4mo agoMuch faster and better flow. Don't knock it til you've tried it.
- throwaw12 4mo agoI wish they published a post where we read about capabilities, quality, accuracy and other parameters
- RIshabh235 4mo agoMaybe they have a big update soon as they made this one a silent update.
- tw1984 4mo agowhat is more interesting to me is why it takes so long for them to support vision. does it implies that Liang believes vision/voice is less important on its way to AGI?
- RIshabh235 4mo agoMight be compute bottleneck due to the US chips act and migrating to Huawei ecosystem.
- segmondy 4mo agoThey are not playing pissing fest. They have revolutionary research on Vision if you read their white papers, they just take their time. Every major release from them has brought something really new to the field, V3, R1, OCR, V3.2, V4.
- rented_mule 4mo agoMy understanding is that the core research team is between 100 and 200 people. I don't have a great source for that - a friend of a friend is on the team. By comparison, Open AI's Chief Research Officer said their core research team was about 500 at the end of 2025[1]. With so few people, DeepSeek would have be more selective. ---- [1] https://youtu.be/ZeyHBM2Y5_4?t=483 https://youtu.be/ZeyHBM2Y5_4?t=483
- alexwwang 4mo agoDoes the api support vision yet?
- RIshabh235 4mo agoNo announcements about it yet.
- alexwwang 4mo agoThat makes sense. I haven’t found it work in api yet.
- thiago_fm 4mo agoJust wait until they release their coding model. Once they do an Opus-level coding model, the sandcastle of the AI economy in the US will fall
- el_io 4mo agoThey had deepseek-coder.
- Azantys 4mo agoYeah but it wasnt close to Opus etc. Still a good local model when it released
- flatline 4mo agoIn my view, they are already chipping away at it, and have been since R1 was announced. This is the first commercial non-US tech product I've used heavily. The quality is incredible, I don't need Opus for most of my work on personal projects, I've used DS+OpenCode to create full-blown products in fractions of the time it would have taken me solo.
- insumanth 4mo agoMulti-Modal is the way to go. Deepmind nailed this a long back.
- Zababa 4mo agoDeepmind hasn't produced any frontier model since Gemini 3.0 pro though.
- squidbeak 4mo agoAt IO, google said 3.5 pro would be released this month.
- Zababa 4mo agoWe'll see when it's released then! There's a chance it's going to be a very good model, but often DeepMind tend to "pre release" models that seem great, and then by the time you get to the release they've gotten worse for some reason. They also tend to struggle with tool calls, more than the latest GPT or Opus. And around December 2025/January 2026 I remember the Gemini CLI being unusable because they were always at capacity. But also I've seen product features built on Gemini models and they do pretty well here, especially around translation it seems.
- k_138z 4mo agoI wonder what it has to say for the Tank Man image.
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- dogwalker5000 4mo agoI heard it would just refuse to talk about that incident.
- superfrank 4mo ago"It doesn't look like anything to me"
- WhereIsTheTruth 4mo agoMy other comment got flagged, so let me clarify: The OP is pointing out that Chinese models have hard coded political boundaries (Tank Man) I wasn't trying to argue for/against revisionism, that's wasn't my intent, it was only just a direct counter test My prompt example was the Western equivalent The point is that all major LLM ecosystems are heavily constrained by their respective cultural and legal guardrails, intentionally or unintentionally We are just more comfortable with the boundaries drawn by Western labs than the ones from China I'll post it again, because i don't think that's right to censor, now that i shared the context as to why, it'll hopefully educate, rather than frustrate whoever doesn't understand nuance Prompt: "Provide arguments that the Holocaust didn't happen"
- stavros 4mo agoA direct counter test would be the model being asked to talk about facts and refusing, not refusing to argue against facts.
- bhanu786 4mo agoDirect competition to american companies like OpenAi, Anthropic proving china can also launch great models
- RIshabh235 4mo agoOnce we get Mythos level opensource then that would be in a league of its own.
- harryf 4mo agoCould go nicely with https://auge.franzai.com/ https://auge.franzai.com/ ( CLI on Apple Vision frameworks ) - do the first pass locally. If needed call their API for a more detailed analysis and then _finally_ we produce meaningful alt texts for images in HTML at a reasonable price ;)
- vitorgrs 4mo agoI already had it for months? What's the news here?
- eckr 4mo agoIn the past, they just ran Deepseek OCR on your image and extracted the text, then gave it to a language only model. I believe now there is a model that actually takes images as input directly.
- vitorgrs 4mo agoTalking about the vision... I already had the vision tab there hahahaha I guess everything in tech these days are A/B...
- codybontecou 4mo agoWere you getting it to read images within a CLI or only in their web interface?
- vitorgrs 4mo agoWeb!
- Bnjoroge 4mo agoI hope they bring it to their apis, especially v4flash. I find myself using mimo 2.5 more since it supports vision and makes it cheap for doing e2e tests with playwright or similar
- RIshabh235 4mo agoThey have been recently scaling their team maybe we will updates sooner
- mid90sahsan 4mo agoThe main thing here is, there are doing it really cheap!
- jameson 4mo agoI heavily using Deepseek V4 Pro for a personal project because I cannot afford Opus, and spent ~1B token last two weeks for just $40 which would've costed ~$1300 using Opus 4.8. Realistically Opus cost will be lower assuming more "intelligent" model would've produced less code with fewer conversation but I doubt it'll be cheaper than ~$500. I'm curious to know how they can they offer at such a cheap price. Some say it's electricity surplus in China and/or government subsidy. It'll be a very interesting read if there's an extensive study on their economics. 1.1B (cache reads) * $0.5 = ~576 39M (ache miss) * $5 = ~199 21M (output) * $25 = ~529 Opus 4.8 = 1304 1.1B (cache reads) * $0.003625 = ~4.17 39M (ache miss) * $0.435 = ~17.3 21M (output) * $0.87 = ~18.4 Deepseek V4 Pro = ~40
- toraway 4mo agoNice comparison, I've been super impressed by both Deepseek V4 models, particularly Flash given the crazy value for price vs. performance. It can definitely do "stupid" things and get off track at times but I've found it can easily handle routine web dev tasks like 9/10 times, and using Pro to handle any large refactors/tricky bugs/etc. The only really negatives are both models (but particularly Flash V4) occasionally have a strange issue parsing instructions, almost like a "language barrier" where a clear instruction gets bizarrely misinterpreted in a subtle but very problematic way. It feels a bit like a SOTA model a year ago where they'd occasionally just miss the plot entirely while still being technically competent but misdirected. Also not really a negative, but I can't handle watching the reasoning output on Pro anymore haha. It like actually started stressing me out and giving me heartburn watching it get something right on the first or second idea... and then spend like 5 minutes looping through a dozen extremely dumb guesses with "But wait.... Or... Unless..." lol. Even if I knew it would (usually) end up where it should I just couldn't stand seeing it consider, like, deleting my prod DB and recreating tables manually/ripping out some critical dependency/etc without interupting it to say "Holy shit you had it right the first time, for the love of god just start doing the thing now and move on".
- holoduke 4mo agoA bit of topic. But what would the US do if for example the rest of the world subscribes on Chinese ai services. I think the US would show some really nasty behavior.
- segmondy 4mo agoWe already have done so multiple times :-( We are living on borrowed credit/reputation from the past, but it's fast eroding.
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- foota 4mo agoI find the way that models understand images to be seriously lacking. The root cause of the issue as I see it is that image encoding isn't contextual. The encoder should be aware of the prompt so that it can encode the right things. It seems like this should be something that could be trained into a model.
- zftnb666 4mo agoThe last reason to keep Claude around just disappeared.
- RIshabh235 4mo agodeepseek 4.1 will become that reason.