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> rather than opening their platform a tiny bit Handing full access to the data on a user's device over to a company with the scruples of somebody like Faceboo

> rather than opening their platform a tiny bit Handing full access to the data on a user's device over to a company with the scruples of somebody like Facebook is a privacy nightmare, not "opening their platform a tiny bit".

dybber 4mo ago
Apple could make settings for controlling exactly what is shared with the various assistants installed including Siri itself. No need for defaulting to full access. Apple is not abiding, because they want to use time to really ensure they have the best assistant, before they allow competitors to build assistants for iPhone that can replace Siri (in the EU only probably)
- throwaway329847 4mo ago
  EU rejected that. DMA says that 3rd parties must have the same access to data as Apple does, and obviously Apple does not want to turn Siri into a cookie banner party.
troupo 4mo ago
Isn't that ultimately the user's choice?
lifty 4mo ago
Yeah, but you get to choose who gets to rip off your data. Joking aside, perhaps there would be some privacy focused alternatives and most importantly for Europeans, they would be hosted in the EU.
fundatus 4mo ago
Well, let that be my concern. Why should I trust Apple more than let's say Proton?
- ebbi 4mo ago
  Because when you open it to Proton, you have to open it to Meta. And when Meta does Meta things, the first thing the average user will complain to is Apple - "didn't you advertise to me about privacy?!"
  - throwaway270925 4mo ago
    > Because when you open it to Proton, you have to open it to Meta. No? You dont!? Why would you "have to"?
    - zapzupnz 4mo ago
      What’s the point of being forced to open something up if only to say ‘no’ to Meta? Can’t have it both wars. It’s either open or it’s not.
- throwaway329847 4mo ago
  Why would you even consider buying an Apple device if you don't trust they will protect your data?
  - benhurmarcel 4mo ago
    Because you don't trust Google either, so you're out of realistic options

dybber 4mo ago

Apple could make settings for controlling exactly what is shared with the various assistants installed including Siri itself. No need for defaulting to full access. Apple is not abiding, because they want to use time to really ensure they have the best assistant, before they allow competitors to build assistants for iPhone that can replace Siri (in the EU only probably)

throwaway329847 4mo ago
EU rejected that. DMA says that 3rd parties must have the same access to data as Apple does, and obviously Apple does not want to turn Siri into a cookie banner party.

troupo 4mo ago

Isn't that ultimately the user's choice?

lifty 4mo ago

Yeah, but you get to choose who gets to rip off your data. Joking aside, perhaps there would be some privacy focused alternatives and most importantly for Europeans, they would be hosted in the EU.

fundatus 4mo ago

Well, let that be my concern. Why should I trust Apple more than let's say Proton?

ebbi 4mo ago
Because when you open it to Proton, you have to open it to Meta. And when Meta does Meta things, the first thing the average user will complain to is Apple - "didn't you advertise to me about privacy?!"
- throwaway270925 4mo ago
  > Because when you open it to Proton, you have to open it to Meta. No? You dont!? Why would you "have to"?
  - zapzupnz 4mo ago
    What’s the point of being forced to open something up if only to say ‘no’ to Meta? Can’t have it both wars. It’s either open or it’s not.
throwaway329847 4mo ago
Why would you even consider buying an Apple device if you don't trust they will protect your data?
- benhurmarcel 4mo ago
  Because you don't trust Google either, so you're out of realistic options