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The weird thing about death (as in aging, not as in accidents/getting eaten) is that it's "an invention". As in natural selection decided at one point to introd
by spwa4 5mo ago
The weird thing about death (as in aging, not as in accidents/getting eaten) is that it's "an invention". As in natural selection decided at one point to introduce death. It really is the case that older lifeforms don't die. All mammals do though.
If you study it, it becomes pretty obvious that in most cases reproduction and death are linked. Death is fundamentally a way to optimize reproduction, to control DNA variability and number of offspring.
Also, it is obvious that death has "levels". The cells humans are made of are immortal, in the sense that human cells are capable of living and even reproducing indefinitely, if so directed by DNA. Gametes are meant to survive your death, becoming your children. Now very few cells actually do survive, but that's a constant across pretty much every immortal species. On the other hand, every cell in your body was, in a very real sense, the first bacteria, the first cell ever, billions of years ago. So it certainly is NOT the case that all human cells age, senescence, and die. Only the human as a whole ages, and it is something your cells conspire to do (or conspire not to do, in the case of ovi (~ children), or in the case of cancer cells)
At one point, during the period mammals were all still fish, evolution was still experimenting with death, and so fish have much more variation in their aging and death than mammals do. If you go back further, to reptiles, there's even less death. Most reptiles could be alive for thousands of years (even though the odds are wildly against that). Most reptiles die because of slowly advancing accumulated diseases over time (meaning over hundreds of years, a great many diseases, parasites, even physical damage, ... accumulates. No one cause is really causing their death, but combined they introduce such a strain on the organism as a whole it "dies of old age". Except it's not really of old age in the sense like humans age, it's dying of what you might call 99.9% victories against disease. Eventually the 0.1% damage per incident overpowers the metabolism)
Unfortunately this does mean that death is built into our cells and a lot of processes depend on aging and death. Therefore we are very far away from curing death: you don't just have to fix the mechanism that "ages" our cells, but you have to find alternate ways of working for everything that depends on it. Resetting the clock may be easier, but even the methods that we currently know (ie. regrowing telomeres) have a bad reputation for causing aggressive cancers, and therefore shortening life rather than prolonging it. Plus, at best if you fix aging in humans entirely, we'll be like reptiles. At that point medicine will have to radically change and every tiny trace of every minor infection will have to be treated as a life threatening condition.
- tosti 5mo agoAt some point I'm going to be depressed af and would rather end myself.
- blendergeek 5mo ago> It really is the case that older lifeforms don't die. All mammals do though. Are naked molerats the one weird exception with mammals?
- pretzellogician 5mo agoNaked molerats live a relatively long time and have many cool longevity adaptations, but they're far from immortal. Max lifespan is under 40 years.
- tornikeo 5mo agoThis was an insightful comment, thank you for writing. And here's to hoping that the exponentially growing technological capabilities will allow curing death in our (short) lifespans. By God we need that to counteract the ageing population.
- plastic-enjoyer 5mo ago> At that point medicine will have to radically change and every tiny trace of every minor infection will have to be treated as a life threatening condition. But is this life? I'm wondering if an immortal life can be a well-lived life
- sydd 5mo ago> I'm wondering if an immortal life can be a well-lived life Why not? It does not mean that we will be some omnipotent god. it just means that we wont age. You can still die from physical trauma, infections, cancer etc. So in practice this would mean that the average human lifespan is not say 70 years, but 120. I'm pretty sure that humanity will eventually get to immortality (why not? We are already controlling most of our environment) but this will not be like an invention of a magic pill, rather the average lifespan will creep up by a decade or so with every generation. Now we're at the point where we know whats actively killing you and what to avoid (we can also cure most infections and diseases) in 30 years most cancers, and likely Alzheimers will be curable too. I'm also sure that lots of aging related conditions will be treatable too (say osteoporosis) in 60 years we might know enough to start reversing aging effects, and fear of cancer will be a thing of the past, just like now bacterial infections. .. and who knows when we will start to regrow limbs and fully reverse aging