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I respect your opinion but am grateful for and find tremendous value in my NYT subscription. I share it with my SO and read their articles constantly. Prior to
by dieselgate 5mo ago
I respect your opinion but am grateful for and find tremendous value in my NYT subscription. I share it with my SO and read their articles constantly. Prior to getting a subscription I was a "turn js off" kind of person - which is fine I suppose and still do it for other sites.
I do not maintain any streaming or other subscriptions outside of Deezer (and a Garmin GPS FWIW).
I would like a Bloomberg subscription but to only read Matt Levine cannot justify the cost.
To supplement other news sources am always reading Apnews, Reuters, Al Jazeera and The Stranger (local to Seattle).
NYT is just not a hill I'm willing to die on re: marketing etc.
- ProjectArcturis 5mo agoFYI you can get Money Stuff delivered by email without a Bloomberg subscription.
- dieselgate 5mo agoThanks for that! I have been on Levine's website recently and for some reason thought they may deviate in content or something. But will try it out. It's a daily newsletter which is kind of high volume for me (which is why I hadn't subscribed prior) but will check it out. I actually may have been sub'd previously and had to check out because the push-model was slightly too much; would kind of prefer a pull model.
- toomuchtodo 5mo agoIf you prefer pull, subscribe to it with https://www.kill-the-newsletter.com/ https://www.kill-the-newsletter.com/ (I subscribe to Bloomberg, and send their emails to feeds which end up in a https://karakeep.app/ https://karakeep.app/ instance for consumption)
- dieselgate 5mo agoGreat idea and thanks, will check it out!
- zippothrowaway 5mo agoGreat idea and just a note to anyone doing this (as I just did) - Bloomberg will send a confirmation code to the email which you have to get out of the feed. Took a few minutes, but it worked!
- atmosx 5mo agoFor anyone else interested, here’s the link to the newsletter: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/authors/ARbTQlRLRjE/matthew-s-levine https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/authors/ARbTQlRLRjE/matthe...
- kevin_thibedeau 5mo agoI like their content. I would subscribe, but knowing how their unsubscription process is deliberately broken, I never will.
- dominotw 5mo agogp's comment had nothing to do with value of the publication. are you implying it ok for them to do that because value? And making it hard to cancel is not just "marketing" . There are even laws to prevent that sort of thing.
- dieselgate 5mo agoNo, I am not implying it is OK for them to do that because I read their paper.
- antonvs 5mo ago> And making it hard to cancel is not just "marketing" Yes, we should be clear on this. It's fraud. What the NYT is engaging in is fraud.
- aczerepinski 5mo agoWhen you say you’re sharing with a SO, do you mean you’re doing the dance of re-authenticating with their two factor code every few days now that they clamped down on sharing a subscription even within the same household? This new change has really disappointed me.
- dieselgate 5mo agoAt least a couple years ago we created a new email for shared online accounts, which is only NYT. It hasn't come up yet and I wasn't aware of their changes; we do not have 2-factor configured and SO says they do not read NYT much... Good to have a heads up for this though.
- Centigonal 5mo agoThis is an interesting topic. If a company does something you approve of (e.g. do journalism) and something else you disapprove of (e.g. make canceling hard), is there a good way to signal both as a consumer? This is also relevant in the context of companies like Target, which has been boycotted by both sides of the US political spectrum for various reasons.
- dieselgate 5mo agoGood point. I vote with my dollar and do not support Amazon (directly; AWS is unavoidable). But that's your point! I deleted linkedin a few years ago because of the ridiculous volume of emails and their dark patterns about cancellation. NYT is just not a hill i'm willing to die on unlike linkedin, for example
- gaiagraphia 5mo agoYour dollar is always your vote. What society spends its labour on is the society it creates, far more so than a random tick in a box.
- InsideOutSanta 5mo agoI think it's pretty simple: the value of good journalism vastly outweighs the crappy subscription practices, but the value of stuff like same-day delivery does not outweigh th e harm Amazon causes.
- rurban 5mo agoAWS is totally avoidable. Since the felted both my accounts, when I asked them to merge them, I am a very happy non-amazon, non-AWS user. Same for booking.com or Microsoft which are even more trash.
- dieselgate 5mo agoI don't host my own stuff there but as a general web user it's unavoidable.
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- nitwit005 5mo agoThe quality of the New York Times as a product is irrelevant to them being predatory about subscriptions.
- derektank 5mo agoThe quality of the NYT as a product is relevant to GP’s assertion that everyone should unsubscribe from the service though.
- artursapek 5mo agoYou’re not responding to anything the parent said.
- ikiris 5mo agoThe parent didn’t respond to anything their parent said either.
- robot_jesus 5mo agoParent comment urged everyone to cancel NYT subscriptions and the child comment respectfully disagreed and explained why they still find value. That seems like a very direct response. These aren’t formal arguments and rebuttals; just opinions. I appreciate hearing both perspectives.
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- queenkjuul 5mo agoI won't even read the NYT lol let alone pay for it. Iraq war: not even once.
- HDThoreaun 5mo agoIf you only read news from companies against the iraq war your options consist pretty much solely of companies that didnt exist on 9/11.
- queenkjuul 5mo agoIf that's what it takes
- HDThoreaun 5mo agoExcept this strategy doesnt actually accomplish anything. It doesnt tell you anything about what they wouldve published had they been publishing back then
- t-3 5mo agoSupporting the war is a hell of a lot different from laundering lies and justifications to build public support for the war. They lied, they knew they lied, and they knew a lot of innocent people would die because of it but did so anyway.
- zzgo 5mo agoMaybe don't only read the corporate news, then? It's not like sites like Talking Points Memo didn't exist in the early 00s.
- nickburns 5mo agoSo subscribing to NYT somehow changed your stance on online privacy? Color me confused...
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- rdslw 5mo agoIf my polite neighbour smiles, holds the door, but also pisses on my doormat every few days, I call him LOUD a jerk and tell him to stop. I never approve the piss because he said good morning.
- square_usual 5mo agoHow is this a fair analogy? The NYT isn't pissing on your doormat. Making it harder to cancel is an annoyance, but it's not like they don't let you.
- duckmysick 5mo agoIf the NYT subscription indeed has a tremendous value, surely it can attract and retain the subscribers without resorting to dark patterns in their products.
- jhbadger 5mo agoThe problem is people who get actual news from a decent newspaper (and let's face it, after Bezos trashed the Washington Post, the NYT has no serious rival in the US) is a value for society more than it is for individuals. People might say "I don't need to read a newspaper; I can get news from my social media" but that's kind of the problem with today's society.
- wnc3141 5mo agoBloomberg is crazy expensive. They used to have citylab articles without a paywall, but looks like they've fixed that.
- crispyambulance 5mo agoI've used this pattern for ~10 years now: 1 Subscribe at some very reasonable intro rate: $4 a month for 6 months 2 The intro rate expires and goes to $25 a month. 3 I call the number to cancel, say I am canceling because expense 4 They offer the intro-rate again to keep me, I accept 5 goto 2 Lately, however, I haven't even had to call someone. I just go through their webapp and it automatically offers the intro rate again. I suppose that if I decline that, I would have to talk to someone, but I really like the NYTimes and $4.24/month is reasonable to me. And yes, I think they do have some sense of desperation chasing them. It costs money to do what they do and newspapers are a hard business. By the way... if the OP really doesn't want to bother with a subscription, many public libraries offer digital access in the form of 72 hour passes to the NYTimes, the passes are unlimited. I realize that public libraries aren't cool for the libertarian set, but it is a viable option. There are tons of other newspapers and magazines available to read online for free too through your public library (needs a library card though).
- dreamcompiler 5mo agoRe: Matt Levine. You can sign up for his 4x-per-week email for free, and he doesn't spam you.
- dieselgate 5mo agoThanks for this
- WalterBright 5mo agoFor some balance, add the WSJ.
- CommenterPerson 5mo agoI've read NYT regularly over the past 30+ years, and roughly fit in this boat. They have become monetizing addicts like everyone else. They keep showing pop-ups about "family subscriptions". I've written about their desperate seeming practices in comments on appropriate articles. On their reporting, they want to appear to be objective but their biases are clear. For example, their campaign against Mamdani at all stages (it continues). They always have a couple of crazy "conservative" columnists. And so on. I send all their emails to spam, and X out of the pop-ups. For now.
- 7777777phil 4mo agoYou probably already know this but sou can get a lot of Levine’s writing without a paid Bloomie subscription by subscribing to his Money Stuff Newsletter.