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VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

689 points by coloneltcb 4mo ago

https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare

cpojer 4mo ago
Cool.
karpetrosyan 4mo ago
It's always scary to see an open source organization being acquired
- aatd86 4mo ago
  Yeah but people don't want to pay for software so all open source is basically subsidized.
  - notnullorvoid 4mo ago
    If you look at it broadly nearly all software is subsidized by open source, so it's a smart choice to send some subsidies back to open source.
  - Raed667 4mo ago
    +200 people/orgs are listed as vite github sponsors
    - throw10920 4mo ago
      How many FTEs does that pay for?
    - applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
      200 people out of how many hundreds of thousands of users? Are they giving an average $5 a month, for a grand total of $12000 a year? Maybe a little bit more?
  - thierrydamiba 4mo ago
    People will pay out of the nose for software if they find it useful enough.
- pjmlp 4mo ago
  That is what happens when no one wants to pay for their tools. Real life isn't 60's hippies community farms. There are bills to pay in capitalist societies.
  - rvz 4mo ago
    There you go. I said this as well and no-one here can explain how these open source dev tools companies are making any money with their open source products. Now they are surprised to see that acquisitions like this are happening and "open source" has given this entitlement on developers to believe that it is "free" when someone always ends up paying.
orliesaurus 4mo ago
ok good for them. bun, astro, uv ... all acquired. Ok, what are the alternatives to vite/vitest?
- CodingJeebus 4mo ago
  Hot take (maybe), but I don't think any javascript tool that's reached a critical mass of users is really safe from acquisition at this point. Reason being is that these modern projects are often being spun up as businesses and raising capital, and eventually all businesses in this industry seek an exit, especially those focused on growth and establishing themselves in the ecosystem. The class of open source developers that thanklessly maintained the underlying packages driving this industry are heading for the exits, and they're being replaced by people who want to build businesses from the get-go. Who's to say this is right or wrong, but I think this is where it's all headed.
- Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
  Web components and Jest I suppose.
- phplovesong 4mo ago
  Esbuild. Rock solid tech.
aatd86 4mo ago
That was evident. It was designed that way :) Congrats.
holistio 4mo ago
Do we have any chance left of using software for our work without Big Tech behind it?
- tornikeo 4mo ago
  That's as easy as making new Vite. :) Which is hard, not easy but my point stands.
  - notpushkin 4mo ago
    Fork?
- applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
  Yes. Pay for software from independent developers and small businesses. The entire reason big tech is where it is is because nobody wants to pay for software, and big tech is the way to make money off of "free" software. Software developers need money to eat, so this is the inevitable result of demanding everything for free. Actions meet consequences.
  - Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
    While this is the idealist point of view, if you earn 100K a year from open source work - and that's already the top 0.1% if not less of open source developers - and a company comes around to buy you out for $10 million plus a 300K / year job (for example)... open source etc just can't compete.
    - limagnolia 4mo ago
      Well that is why it is open source. It doesn't matter how big the company is behind it, you can use it without the company that owns the name, and even use a different, small tech company for support.
  - sph 4mo ago
    “Be the change you want to see in the world” and other stories powerless people tell themselves to sleep. I pay for independent software, point is, only big money can afford to hire employees to work on free software, because they don’t make money from selling software but from being a monopoly. Free software will always win, which is not a bad thing of itself, but it also means that Big Tech control over the software world is inevitable. The entire free software ethos indirectly opened the door to the Big Tech monopoly. There is no FAANG without open source, there is no open source without FAANG.
rvz 4mo ago
This is what happens when developers do not pay for their tools. Companies instead take full control over it and the team then loses their independence. Just like Bun, Astral and Astro, did VoidZero ever make any money? If not then this is why open source alone is unsustainable, especially in the age of AI.
- pier25 4mo ago
  afaik Void Cloud never went GA
- bakugo 4mo ago
  This would happen even if developers were paying, because a 100 billion dollar corporation like Cloudflare can always pay more. It has nothing to do with sustainability and everything to do with cashing out a huge payday, which seems to be the end goal of everything nowadays.
- epolanski 4mo ago
  Why not setup proper no profit foundations instead of VC-funded for profits then? I think major projects that are core to the infrastructure should get financing and donations from the major tech companies benefitting. I'm not saying my solution would work, maybe I'm being naive and unaware of the realities of most of these projects.
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pier25 4mo ago
Weird situation for Vue. The Nuxt guys and Eduardo (creator of vue-router, pinia, etc) are working at Vercel while Evan is now at Cloudflare.
- yurishimo 4mo ago
  Vue has always handled things well when dealing with cross framework stuff due to their back and forth with Angular for being the go-to number 2. I’m confident that things will be well maintained for an open ecosystem. Evan is smart enough to know that tying the core technology too much to one platform will create more problems than it solves in the long term. That said, I’m excited to see if Evan can delivery another massive win for web developers everywhere now that he has access to more funding.
  - pier25 4mo ago
    This is just my own impression but I feel that Evan might have distanced himself from Vue to focus on Vite and Void. IIRC Vapor mode was spearheaded by someone else. Same with Alien signals. To be clear, I don't think this is bad. Vue 3 seems feature complete at this point and nobody needs another Vue 2 situation.
  - TiredOfLife 4mo ago
    You underestimate how much Guillermo Rauch hates Cloudflare
- TheAlexLichter 4mo ago
  IMO perfect for Vue (and similar for Vite). All the talented folks working together.
bakugo 4mo ago
Alright, so, how long until the current Vite codebase is replaced by a vibe coded Rust port? I give it a month or two.
- yurishimo 4mo ago
  Huh? Vite is already powered by a huge Rust codebase now that the release of v8.0 is live. They spent years developing their own parser and tooling to make it all possible.
- phplovesong 4mo ago
  Probably in a year or two. Look at bun, same will happen to vite.
- esafak 4mo ago
  As mentioned, Vite is already Rust, plus the same developers (the subject of the news) have developed https://viteplus.dev/ https://viteplus.dev/
EDM115 4mo ago
see also https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare & https://vite.dev/blog/cloudflare-supports-vite https://vite.dev/blog/cloudflare-supports-vite
plumocracy 4mo ago
Great grab for cloudflare tbh. Excited to see where this goes :)
yanis_t 4mo ago
Congratulations to the team! I hope Evan and others got fabulously rich, they deserve it!
LoganDark 4mo ago
> Before saying anything else, we want to make the most important thing clear: Vite, Vitest, Rolldown, Oxc, and Vite+ will stay open source, vendor-agnostic, and community-driven. Nothing about that changes. Given how every single acquisition like this has gone, especially lately, I look forward to seeing how quickly these products get left behind and unmaintained as their entire team move onto things at CF.
- TheAlexLichter 4mo ago
  Vite is a multi stakeholder team. How would that happen?
  - LoganDark 4mo ago
    I suppose we'll just have to see if it does.
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tuananh 4mo ago
Amazing acquisition for Cloudflare.
hntiz 4mo ago
I think, just from a purely build-step point of view, it's been evident that tools like Vite, Bun, etc. have achieved all they meaningfully can. If I was the creator of these tools, I've move on too. Good luck and thanks for everything.
- alefnula 4mo ago
  I think this frames the tools too narrowly. If Vite, Bun and uv were just "make builds faster" projects, then maybe the returns are diminishing. But the acquisitions by Cloudflare, Anthropic and OpenAI suggest this layer is becoming more strategic, not less. These tools sit in the software supply chain: dependency resolution, project structure, tests, builds, runtimes, deployment paths and increasingly AI-agent execution loops. They define the default path for building software, and they are where AI-generated code gets tested against real dependencies, builds, tests and deployment constraints. So I don’t think they’ve achieved all they meaningfully can. The value is shifting from raw build speed to control over the workflow layer where software is assembled.
- creamyhorror 4mo ago
  So long, and thanks for all the fish.
- catapart 4mo ago
  lol. any of them - literally just ONE - could have a full blown UI so that you wouldn't have to build projects using a command line like it's 1985. or maybe one of them could just invest in packaging custom html elements, instead of assuming I'm going to use one of a handful of unnecessary "component" libraries, or assuming that I won't be using components at all. there's plenty of places for these tools to go, but none of them have any appetite to go there. likely because people already have something that's so "good enough" that they don't even bother looking for what "could be better". obviously exacerbated by the management class of development outfits deciding that developers shouldn't actually touch the codebase anymore, in lieu of LLMs doing the actual lifting, so they're building out all kinds of chicanerous nonsense to satisfy "agents". and that doesn't necessarily make things more difficult for devs, but that seems to be the trend. forcing your LLM to comply with tortured and arcane concatenations of character-perfect strings is so much easier than having it navigate anything like a filthy human. so the practical result is less accommodating stuff for humans and more accommodating stuff for robots. all of which is to say: I disagree. I think there's things they could meaningfully achieve for humans. And I think they are deeply uninterested in doing those things.
embedding-shape 4mo ago
> Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. And a better Internet is an open Internet. Developers need choice, frameworks need a neutral foundation, and applications need to be portable. It is not reasonable to expect the entire web ecosystem to build around a single vendor. Already at this point, I start thinking that they're turning Vite into a foundation, or donating it to the Linux Foundation, or something like that. "foundation" is mentioned 10 times in total in various ways, but then some actual foundation creation/handover never came up. Even when they themselves state how important it is developers have choice and everything shouldn't centralized around a single vendor. Deeply ironic.
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jesse_dot_id 4mo ago
Big fan of Cloudflare and a bigger fan of vite. Probably one of the best outcomes for the latter.
- gonzalohm 4mo ago
  What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?
  - ocdtrekkie 4mo ago
    IMHO Cloudflare ensures decentralization of the Internet: It provides an alternative to AWS, Azure, and GCE which gives your little personal selfhosting box or small VPS the same level of protection the big providers have. And generally, anything you have either hosted on or proxied by Cloudflare, can be pretty trivially moved to another provider. Whereas things built on top of AWS, Azure, and GCE services tend to be pretty stuck there. Cloudflare has some big misses in it's history, like deciding to takedown a social media site for sex workers while defending a decision to provide services to Nazis at length, but in comparison to the alternatives it makes more decentralization practical than might be otherwise.
    - ipaddr 4mo ago
      Cloudflare ensures decentralization How by taking out 25% of the internet when they go down?
      - ocdtrekkie 4mo ago
        Have you ever seen a us-east-1 outage? Or when Exchange Online fails... weekly or so? There's a lot of huge clouds that are load-bearing for the Internet. Cloudflare is the one you can at least circumvent easily.
        gonzalohm 4mo ago
        That's not true. Read about all the drama happening in Spain when an entity (the soccer league) decides to block all the Cloudfare IPs. You are stuck with no access to most websites behind Cloudfare, and that's a lot of them
Sammi 4mo ago
The question I have is: Is Vite becoming the all-in-one nodejs tool that is replacing all the other full featured js tooling favorites like Bun, Deno and pnpm?
- moomoo11 4mo ago
  vite just works
- ramon156 4mo ago
  Vite is unmatched
- TheAlexLichter 4mo ago
  Just use Vite Plus (viteplus.dev)
- pjmlp 4mo ago
  Nope, mostly using pnpm over here.
  - chrisweekly 4mo ago
    That's orthogonal; Vite (and its ecosystem) _with_ pnpm is likely the best combination avlbl.
- francislavoie 4mo ago
  Vite is not a package manager and is not a JS runtime. That's what Node/Bun/Deno do. Vite is the remaining glue for any web project's build and testing needs.
  - Sammi 4mo ago
    Bun and Deno are not js runtimes either. They are wrappers for existing js runtimes and add additional apis.
    - francislavoie 4mo ago
phplovesong 4mo ago
This goes down the same path. Every. Time. Thank god i did not use vite for anything serious. Esbuild is still my goto even after many years.
- conaclos 4mo ago
  Same here. I prefer bet on community-led projects like Node.js, ESbuild and BiomeJS (or Prettier / eslint).
postalcoder 4mo ago
Had no idea Vite and OXC were made by the same company. Makes so much sense. I don’t get the complaining about OS developers behind these incredible pieces of software like uv, bun, etc is a bad thing. If anything, it’ll continue to incentivize great developers to fill in the blanks and continue to push things forward. It’s a win for everyone.
- Sammi 4mo ago
  OXC predates VoidZero and is made by Boshen. Evan had to try for a while until he was able to convince Boshen to join them. OXC is the best of the JS toolchains implemented in Rust, so it was definitely a scoop.
theaniketmaurya 4mo ago
So it's Vue vs Next now?
- nkg 4mo ago
  Vue vs React Vite vs Next
  - ZiiS 4mo ago
    I think Nuxt would be the comparison to Next. I.e. a Framework and a build tool (this bit is Vite)
    - tonyoconnell 4mo ago
      you can actually do everything most people do in next with vite/astro. i was worried to do it but i haven't ran into any problems i couldn't solve.
- ZiiS 4mo ago
  Vite is now common for everything not Next (even can do Next).
Ajunne 4mo ago
I love how they always make it sound like this is by choice. "VoidZero is joining Cloudflare" As if they chose to do that. Yes, they agreed to it, but in the end it was just a huge financial transaction. But i guess "Cloudflare buys VoidZero" just sounds less friendly. Even though that is exactly what happened.
- nkohari 4mo ago
  It is by choice, though? VoidZero was well-capitalized and could easily have continued to raise money for the foreseeable.
  - fredoliveira 4mo ago
    Could they? Under what business model? Maybe the numbers for the paid products just weren't there and they see this exit as a positive for the team?
    - nkohari 4mo ago
      It's an obvious partnership because Void Cloud was built on Cloudflare anyway, so having Cloudflare buying them directly just means that both companies don't need to carve out their own margin. Cloudflare is also happy to fund the work on Vite, Oxc, et al. while also having a more direct answer for Vercel and Next.js. With all that said, I don't think we can extrapolate that their business wasn't doing well or that they couldn't have raised more money. Cloudflare probably just offered a good enough deal that it didn't make sense to try to grind it out. What I really mean is that when M&A happens, it seems like a lot of people think the acquirer is the only one with any agency, and that's not true at all.
- Aurornis 4mo ago
  > As if they chose to do that. Yes, they agreed to it, That is the definition of making a choice. This is some incredible mental backflipping to suggest that their choice wasn’t their choice.
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demetris 4mo ago
I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  > I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy. Same, kind of conflicting. Happy for the individuals involved, they've probably more than earned it. Slightly sad about what comes next, as I'm guessing both you and me seen this happen so many times before, and we've learned to read past the always-reiterated "Nothing will change, everything keeps on being great forever".
- trollbridge 4mo ago
  Yeah. I don't want to sound selfish, but now I need to make plans to eventually migrate off of vite.
  - adzm 4mo ago
    Migrate off vite to what exactly? I just migrated a personal project to vite and it simplified the existing webpack thing drastically, I was very impressed.
    - shimman 4mo ago
      IDK, I've been purposely limiting the scope of work I can provide by only working with js, html, css. It's extremely limiting but when it comes to basically making one-off splash pages it's nice to not worry about tooling and just deploy what I made instantly. Modern CSS is amazing, there's no need to use sass or postcss. The modern web APIs are amazing as well. You can get a lot done with new base standard across browsers. The only libraries I really pull in nowadays are anime.js + umami for analytics. I don't even need TS and can get away with js doc annotations + a functional LSP allows me to be slightly more dangerous (think running with scissors in chain mail). Maybe if you need a specific web app you can reach for the complex tooling but even then I still wonder if it's necessary? The most popular political tool I've shared was a simple HTML page that just fetched the census API for specific codes in a tabular format. Sure I could have used react which would have enabled me to unlock some future value I couldn't foresee at the time but the working alternative is that I have a single html page with minimal JS (around ~2k LOC) that a surprising amount of nontypical devs (think carpenter that is interested in cybersecurity or union negotiators) are able to extend by themselves for their own needs (think adding census codes about snap or public transit). There is a tremendous amount of value in telling my users how they can modify the source code and see the immediate impact of doing as much. If this was a project that would have necessitated vite the first thing I would tell them is to install nodeJS and that's where I would lose 99.9999999999% of my users being able. These projects will never go beyond 500,000 visitors and a CDN is more than sufficient for 90% of the work I do. So that obviously plays a major role but if this is a solo project there are much better choices to make if you want it to be sustainable + low upkeep. Those two qualities are something we as an industry should always value as it makes all our jobs collectively easier.
jazzypants 4mo ago
First Astro, now this? Cloudflare is getting all the good JS talent. The monetization story never really made sense to me. It seems really hard to carve out a space in the managed hosting world. Are the Vercel and Laravel teams the only ones to make Private Equity work?
- maiko26 4mo ago
  they need to add tanstack to the roster
  - youre-wrong3 4mo ago
    Ewww
pjmlp 4mo ago
So now each major SPA framework belongs to a cloud provider, Vercel, Cloudflare and Google.
- holografix 4mo ago
  What’s the Google one? Flutter?
  - pjmlp 4mo ago
    Angular. Flutter hardly matters.
    - jshier 4mo ago
      You say that, but Cloudflare just rewrote their WARP / Cloudflare One clients in Flutter. It really sucks, but they are using it.
      - pjmlp 4mo ago
        I don't even know what that is. Flutter is the only reason Dart still exists, and in what concerns the Android team, writing cross mobile application, is to be done with Kotlin. Which contrary to Dart, has a few use cases, besides Android.
        cptmurphy 4mo ago
        But dart can also compile to js/wasm and has very great native aot support. Flutter Desktop is maintained by Ubuntu
- owebmaster 4mo ago
  Ironically, Lit that was created by Google isn't maintained by it anymore. The project is, unfortunately, almost dead tho
  - pjmlp 4mo ago
andrewstuart 4mo ago
Vibe coded rewrite in rust upcoming!
- equasar 4mo ago
  These tools are already written in rust.
- tonyoconnell 4mo ago
  just wondering... do you think bun's rewrite with ai was vibe coded or engineered with ai? i know it wasn't perfect in the beginning but i think it was good engineering and what was built will make it faster and better.
timdavid2026 4mo ago
Interesting acquisition. Curious how VoidZero's tech will integrate with Cloudflare's stack.
- Lord_Zero 4mo ago
  Not so much about the tech as it's about the talent they aquired.
yuppiepuppie 4mo ago
So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  > So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount Indeed, so as a library/framework/engine/runtime user, for the last decade or so, I've basically avoided anything that touched VC-investments, as eventually the tool will either degrade, get too expensive or straight up disappear, and I got so tired of having to refactor and move stuff around just because new owner did something shitty.
  - AdeCodechise 4mo ago
    Hey there embedding-shape -- my name is Adrian Bridgwater and I'm a technology journalist that has enjoyed the realism of your comment here, can I contact you for a follow up comment? I'm here at LinkedIn to start with https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianbridgwater/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianbridgwater/
    - embedding-shape 4mo ago
      Sure, reach out via my email that's in my profile, I don't have LinkedIn :)
- stackskipton 4mo ago
  My guess is investors are getting a good return on investment so they are probably pretty happy.
  - yuppiepuppie 4mo ago
ta-run 4mo ago
This has become a very common occurrence; might be the only sustainable path forward for projects and maintainers. Win-win for all parties involved.
thrownaway561 4mo ago
For anyone pissing on this, you have to remember one thing... time equals money and, as someone who spent 7 years building an open source project, you make almost ZERO from doing it. At the end, if you want to continue the project, you have to sell your soul somehow, either by doing a paid tier, consulting or getting corporate sponsorship. Unless you are one of the VERY lucky ones that does the coding on the side while having a full time job (which I was in the VERY fortunate position to be in at the time). It's going to come down to "can I afford to keep doing this for nothing"? So for all you high and mighty people calling them sell outs and what not, I would love to see how much you've been contributing to the project in order for it to keep going. I think what CloudFlare is doing is a good thing. They get a tremendous team that they can have help work on their infrastructure while keeping the open source projects alive.
localhoster 4mo ago
Will it be the next Bun?
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4mo ago
  What do you mean? Their tools are mostly Rust already :)
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olingern 4mo ago
These acquisition announcements always leave me uneasy. There’s a lot of hand waving, “nothing will change and our roadmap will stay the same!” but we can all do basic math and understand that’s not how business works. As an aside, I have to use Cloudlare at work and it’s a pretty awful experience for the medium sized org I’m at. “Hostile UX” is a common complaint. Maybe they should invest money in competing with Vercel on UX/DX instead of acquiring open source projects.
- gowthamgts12 4mo ago
  their reliability is also way way down lately. too many mishaps and i've long lost trust in CF.
  - olingern 4mo ago
    Yes. We’re beginning the process of moving away because of how they’ve become a single point failure that’s unreliable. AWS is more reliable and it’s a bad spot to be in when your CDN / router is down but your actual application is fine
    - gowthamgts12 4mo ago
      100%. Most of our outages were because of CF which we had no control over
- burcs 4mo ago
  sorry to hear that's been your experience. i actually joined through an acquisition about a year ago and one of the main things we've been focused on is the dashboard and overall dx. sadly "hostile ux" is a phrase i've heard more than once and we're working hard to improve. if you're open to it, would love to hear more about the issues you've be running into
  - runtime_terror 4mo ago
    The dashboard UX has improved a lot lately but one thing that drives me absolutely nuts is that I get rate limited all the time using it. For example, I had to recently change an env var we had on a handful of apps and opened them all into new tabs and made the changes and about half way through I started getting rate limited. This has happened to me many times and I've reported it to support and in Discord but it still happens. One other big complaint is support is non-existent. We sent many support emails (on business plans) and I'm pretty sure we've never gotten a reply. Same for posting in Discord. It's pretty disheartening to build your business on Cloudflare and have no confidence support will help you when you need it.
outlore 4mo ago
Well at least this time we don’t have to worry about them rewriting their tooling in Rust
chrisweekly 4mo ago
Bummer. The Vite ecosystem is fantastic, and VoidZero's tools are all world-class (vite, vitest, oxcfmt, oxclint,...), but I wish they'd remain(ed) independent.
nja 4mo ago
Unpleasantly close to when Cloudflare bought BastionZero... the promises quickly fell away, the tool decayed (I found three serious bugs in one single week...and they had stopped even bothering to publish changelogs), and Cloudflare eventually gave us a "hey, we're actually shutting this down in a month, good luck" email prompting a scramble to rewire all of our infrastructure. (Fwiw SDM ended up being a better alternative anyways... not looking forward to their eventual acquisition and shutdown :/ )
- freedomben 4mo ago
  Thanks for the example. I'm skeptical of the claims that "nothing will change" but want to believe them, and examples are the only real data to go on (feels/vibes aren't data), so thank you. Original blog post of the acquisition of BastionZero: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-acquires-bastionzero/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-acquires-bastionzero/
- mynameisvlad 4mo ago
  What promises? The announcement for BastionZero was quite clear as to what would happen: > The BastionZero team will be focused on integrating their infrastructure access controls directly into Cloudflare One. During the third and fourth quarters of this year, we will be announcing a number of new features to facilitate Zero Trust infrastructure access via Cloudflare One. All functionality delivered this year will be included in the Cloudflare One free tier for organizations with less than 50 users. We believe that everyone should have access to world-class security controls. Did you expect them to continue running their own service when it was pretty evident their work would be integrated into CF's zero trust suite?
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maherbeg 4mo ago
Very happy for them, they made excellent tools and I hope they can continue their work! I do believe though that these tools (formatting, linting etc.) should be built into the language like Go, and I really hope the Node team can just absorb the best ideas and make solid primitives that can be built on top of as the ecosystem evolves (think golang's http interfaces, or test interfaces)
- zarzavat 4mo ago
  It took the JS community many iterations to get to vite. Building it into the language just means you get stuck with a "good enough" solution that survives by inertia. We'd still be using webpack. I'm all for building things into the language when there's only one way to do it though.
  - runtime_terror 4mo ago
    Counter point; good enough is often... good enough Go is the best example of this; it's boring but incredible stable and consistent
  - maherbeg 4mo ago
    for sure! but there are lots of incremental shareable primitives that could help. I think about go's built in testing tools that can get extended as an example
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rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4mo ago
I knew this was going to happen the moment they mentioned in a demo that Void, their development platform, was build on top of Cloudflare.
freedomben 4mo ago
> Before saying anything else, we want to make the most important thing clear: Vite, Vitest, Rolldown, Oxc, and Vite+ will stay open source, vendor-agnostic, and community-driven. Nothing about that changes. Appreciate them putting that so clearly. I am highly skeptical of acquisitions now because we've been burned so many times in the past. Time will tell if this stays true, but at least it's clearly on the record. Would love to know if this is in contract/writing somewhere as part of the acquisition.
- stackskipton 4mo ago
  >Would love to know if this is in contract/writing somewhere as part of the acquisition. Cloudflare would be insane to allow that provision in the contract or acquisition documents. So I would take that promise as "will stay open source, blah blah blah, for now...."
  - borski 4mo ago
    Dropbox did it for Zulip. It entirely depends on how much the seller cared to ensure continuity. It’s not like VoidZero didn’t have plenty of leverage; they weren’t a dying open source project.
    - throw14082020 4mo ago
      Dropbox spun out Zulip because it was a failed project they were going to shut down. This is completely different?
      - borski 4mo ago
        Dropbox never had any intention of running Zulip. But the team wanted Zulip to continue existing, so they worked that into the agreement with Dropbox. That is my understanding.
  - dbbk 4mo ago
    What would they benefit from taking it closed source? And how would that even work for a JavaScript toolchain?
valgaze 4mo ago
"Vue.js: JavaScript MVVM made simple (vuejs.org)" February 3, 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7169288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7169288 Evidently Evan You was an Art History + Studio Art and major and at Parsons School he had to pick up javascript to quickly show his work. During a stint at Creativelab5 at Google, he was so inspired to improve on AngularJS experience that he came up with Vue and the rest is history. I have no idea what this Cloudflare acquisition will ultimately mean but I know I am so very grateful for the beautiful frameworks/tooling Evan and his team have cranked out over the years.
- jamwise 4mo ago
  Evan has done really great work. I haven't used Vue extensively (not my company's stack) but am a huge fan of Vite and it has helped our React pipeline a lot. I've also recently started playing around with CloudFlare pages and workers and it's already such a pain-free process to get basic apps up and running, I imagine this collab will make my life easier.
- mikestorrent 4mo ago
  Perhaps one learning here is that people should train on recognizing elegance and aesthetics first before building frameworks
- CharlieDigital 4mo ago
  Really good talk that goes over this: https://corecursive.com/vue-with-evan-you/ https://corecursive.com/vue-with-evan-you/ Totally worth the listen.
- brikym 4mo ago
  Similar story with Rich Harris of Svelte. He had no tech background but learned js to power data visualizations for his work in journalism.
  - icemelt8 4mo ago
    This is the story with most frontend developers, they are not usually from a typical computer science background.
joeyhage 4mo ago
Everything Cloudflare is announcing could have been done without acquiring VoidZero. The part they aren’t saying is the greater influence they will have on the roadmap and protecting themselves from someone else acquiring vite and making it closed source and/or monetizing it. We’ve seen it so many times - a project promises to stay free and open source, but things change. Are there any licenses or contracts that a project could use and would hold up in court that they need to stay FOSS forever?
- shimman 4mo ago
  This is why we need to start advocating more public investment into open source technology. Imagine how much better the state of our industry would be if we gave 100,000 open source developers a $100,000 grant. This modest $10,000,000,000 fund would be extremely tiny compared to the bloated private research we see annually at corporations. Such a wasted amount of capital doing fuck all when there can be real value and economic gain if we supported open source without the influence of VC + big tech that seem to want a return to feudalism, exacerbate the climate crisis, and hoard as much wealth as possible. A better world is possible.
- conartist6 4mo ago
  >Are there any licenses or contracts that a project could use and would hold up in court that they need to stay FOSS forever? I don't understand, the existing licenses say that, and courts uphold them to say that. If a company has given code to you under an OSS license, that code is yours under that license forever. There'd be no point in trying to bind a person to give you all their future creative output for free just because they had given some of it to you for free. That'd be awful! And anyway we don't need courts to fix this because people can fix it just by helping each other maintain open software
  - joeyhage 4mo ago
    What I meant was the project would stay FOSS forever, so that would mean all future updates including features, bug fixes, and patches. My understanding is the license can be changed at any time so then you would only have FOSS access for the code up until the point in time the license changed. That said, I completely agree that there’s a better solution.
j_w 4mo ago
I hate company acquisitions. Not for the aquire-ee(?), I'm not going to be a hypocrite and claim I wouldn't take the payout if I were in that position. But that companies can build massive moats by just buying up as many other companies as possible. I don't even feel like I can make a "good" argument for it either. Massive companies becoming more massive through acquisitions just feels wrong, like the end game won't work out well for the commons. I assume the point here is that now Cloudflare can try and push more Vite users into their ecosystem? Nudge the development to integrate better with their products? They say they are moving towards Vite, not Vite moving towards Cloudflare, but ultimately <tool> moves in the direction <owner> decides - even if it's "developed openly."
Lapsa 4mo ago
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lanycrost 4mo ago
Hope it will help to make workers and pages toolset more robust and better.
65 4mo ago
If it was invariably going to be acquired, Cloudflare is certainly better than Microsoft, Anthropic, or private equity.
TeriyakiBomb 4mo ago
I just hope there's not some bullshit publicity stunt coming in a few weeks. "We just ported Vite to ActionScript in 11 minutes, we swear for legit technical reasons"
swe_dima 4mo ago
Love Vite, but always felt sorry for them because it was not clear how they can make money, the whole VoidZero thing felt like a stretch. It's one of those things that always stopped me from building cool tools - you have to make a living somehow. So I am happy for the team of builders that they were able to receive the deserved payout and sustainability.
- zuzululu 4mo ago
  A lot of these very popular FOSS products/frameworks simply are the worst ways to make money. You are selling to a demographic that doesn't want to pay for the tools and value they get. You end up competing against your own free version that can now be modified with a bit of AI agent session to get feature parity.
ruguo 4mo ago
First Bun went to Anthropic. Then Astro and now VoidZero to Cloudflare. Feels like all my favorite open-source projects are getting adopted by the giants.
intellix 4mo ago
Would be happier with this information if I didn't hate Cloudflare's extortion based business model
onesingleblast 4mo ago
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MrToBe 4mo ago
When will deno be bought
MrToBe 4mo ago
When will deno be bought?
- pier25 4mo ago
  nobody wants it
- sakesun 4mo ago
  by Oracle
Maiko11 4mo ago
All of them are getting acquired nothing bad in that but I feel like the path to revenue with open source just isn't viable anymore. You have to build your own platform like vercel, or build great dev tools like mintlify
- ipaddr 4mo ago
  Vercel is killing free public repos in a month. Lure then lock in and pull the rug out.
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todotask2 4mo ago
Cloudflare acquiring Astro and VoidZero was unexpected. I’ve been using Astro for a solo project, which made things easier to manage. It also came at a time when expectations for the project were starting to increase.
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true_religion 4mo ago
Just for the record, NPM -> Microsoft Vite -> Cloudflare Bun -> Anthropic Turbopack -> Vercel Remix -> Shopify (I barely remember this one) Biome (formerly Rome) -> Indie but largely supported by Depot SWC -> Indie esBuild -> Indie I use RsBuild/RsPack which is ByteDance supported.
- jerrygenser 4mo ago
  Python but also add Uv -> OpenAI
- tom1337 4mo ago
  Nuxt & Nitro -> Vercel Svelte -> Vercel Astro -> Cloudflare
- ascorbic 4mo ago
  esbuild is a side-project of Evan Wallace, co-founder of Figma, so it's only kinda-indie.
- wqtz 4mo ago
  Is the guy from CoreJS still looking for a job?
- firemelt 4mo ago
  but why?
jphil529 4mo ago
Really love Cloudflare and I think they've been doing a great job with these acquisitions. Love how they've handled integrating PartyKit with Durable Objects
tracerbulletx 4mo ago
Everyone's trying to build end to end agent -> prod platforms and wants to own the tooling for the dev environment part of that.
dzonga 4mo ago
5 years too late. at most this acquisition should've happened before Cloudflare went all in on workers.
opem 4mo ago
I thought they're gonna build their own hosting platform eventually. Where is the fun in this :(
egorfine 4mo ago
I am really happy for the developers. I'm sad to see these tools go. Vite was a godsend after a zoo of webpack/grunt/etc. But what will happen is that new sane tool will come up once vite dissolves and that's the never ending cycle.
mellosouls 4mo ago
Congrats to the team. I appreciate Cloudflare's loud positive proclamation here wrt the OS future; I know scepticism is warranted with some takeovers but although there might be a trend towards Cloudflare fit over the long term that's very different from closing down or abandonment so this generally seems positive to me - best wishes to all parties.
bluelightning2k 4mo ago
Vite is great. Vite+ seemed to offer very little added value and was paid for (or was going to be one day?). The article didn't mention what happens to paying Vite+ users. Is that because there basically aren't any?
bluelightning2k 4mo ago
The reason this is worth it to CloudFlare is it will cause AI to recommend them more. The agents already reach for Vite. When they reach for Vite it's very logical they will default to CloudFlare after. (Much like they will guide users to setup Vercel for NextJS). This could be a $20m acquisition which will generate $billions from the increase in the agent equivalent of SEO.
- tom1337 4mo ago
  Also Lovable just switched to TanStack as a default project framework which uses Vite under the hood. Lovable uses Cloudflare so they’re probably deploying it via Cloudflare Workers.
  - rubenvanwyk 4mo ago
    Cloudflare should just buy Lovable next.
- alexandre_m 4mo ago
  This isn’t going to generate billions in additional revenue. That is a huge exaggeration. I do agree with your underlying argument, though. It will likely help them gain market share for hosting web applications, which is increasing with LLM usage.
  - bluelightning2k 4mo ago
    Perhaps "potentially billions" is justifiable? In that it's a "change the scenario entirely" level of change. Certainly if you compare it to another likely scenario where Vercel buys them and fast forward 2 years, it's plausible that a huge number of projects went one way or the other because of what the AIs defaulted to.
simultsop 4mo ago
This was unexpected.
Brosper 4mo ago
I stop believing in any new product. The game is to be popular, hire talent and sell to corporate ;(
AndreiCalazans 4mo ago
didn't Cloudflare just layoff a few hundred people? odd to see a acqui-hire take place right after that but ok. This is great for Evan You
- kread 4mo ago
  1,100 people, Just a month ago. https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-for-the-future https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-for-the-future
TIPSIO 4mo ago
The dream has always been a first-class framework for Cloudflare Workers. - In the earliest days (literally go read their blog posts and GitHub repos), they only ever really did dinky little demo's. - After and for the longest time, they tried to claim they went "Full Stack" with SSR-able abilities, but they were so terrible back then and not even well integrated into their Worker platform tools. - This was oddly gray mixed (sometimes?) with Pages messaging which definitely was not full-stack in the sense developers wanted. - Then getting any of this to work in a dev environment was super difficult as "wrangler dev" was very limited (wrangler is so good now FYI). - Vercel just kind of ate Cloudflare's lunch here. No shame in it. They just couldn't get it right for developers period. - Then very quietly "Adapters" came around and basically changed the game. Your code base finally felt portable to Workers with essentially full CF platform support. - Now we live in AI-age and they bought Astro (?), tried to launch WP clone (?), and vibe-coded Next (?) Big and long time coming for all of this. It is a super breath of fresh air to see even more improvements will likely come to Workers. Icing on cake is Evan is a legend who has a proven track record of delivering tools people love.
desireco42 4mo ago
I for one love this. Cloudflare is doing really excellent job last few years and of all the companies, this acquisition will not hurt developers like those other might or already do.
kylecordes 4mo ago
I remember thinking that they were making great software, but finding revenue to make the investment payoff could be quite challenging. Looks like that's been solved.
infra_snowman 4mo ago
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hyeonggyu 4mo ago
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rumblefrog 4mo ago
Guess I was right to be suspicious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48213860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48213860
jheriko 4mo ago
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meszmate 4mo ago
Sponsorships are obviously not enough, and not every open source tool has some obvious hosting product to sell. A lot of this stuff is basically public infrastructure now, but we still fund it like a side project.
indiandeodorant 4mo ago
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xyst 4mo ago
It’s scary how cf has become this giant tech corporation. If cf has issues, we see a cascading effect across the many services we depend on. With the age of AI slop, it’s only going to get worse.
oscarcooper257 4mo ago
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689 points by coloneltcb 4mo ago

https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare

cpojer 4mo ago

Cool.

karpetrosyan 4mo ago

It's always scary to see an open source organization being acquired

aatd86 4mo ago
Yeah but people don't want to pay for software so all open source is basically subsidized.
- notnullorvoid 4mo ago
  If you look at it broadly nearly all software is subsidized by open source, so it's a smart choice to send some subsidies back to open source.
- Raed667 4mo ago
  +200 people/orgs are listed as vite github sponsors
  - throw10920 4mo ago
    How many FTEs does that pay for?
  - applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
    200 people out of how many hundreds of thousands of users? Are they giving an average $5 a month, for a grand total of $12000 a year? Maybe a little bit more?
- thierrydamiba 4mo ago
  People will pay out of the nose for software if they find it useful enough.
pjmlp 4mo ago
That is what happens when no one wants to pay for their tools. Real life isn't 60's hippies community farms. There are bills to pay in capitalist societies.
- rvz 4mo ago
  There you go. I said this as well and no-one here can explain how these open source dev tools companies are making any money with their open source products. Now they are surprised to see that acquisitions like this are happening and "open source" has given this entitlement on developers to believe that it is "free" when someone always ends up paying.

orliesaurus 4mo ago

ok good for them. bun, astro, uv ... all acquired. Ok, what are the alternatives to vite/vitest?

CodingJeebus 4mo ago
Hot take (maybe), but I don't think any javascript tool that's reached a critical mass of users is really safe from acquisition at this point. Reason being is that these modern projects are often being spun up as businesses and raising capital, and eventually all businesses in this industry seek an exit, especially those focused on growth and establishing themselves in the ecosystem. The class of open source developers that thanklessly maintained the underlying packages driving this industry are heading for the exits, and they're being replaced by people who want to build businesses from the get-go. Who's to say this is right or wrong, but I think this is where it's all headed.
Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
Web components and Jest I suppose.
phplovesong 4mo ago
Esbuild. Rock solid tech.

aatd86 4mo ago

That was evident. It was designed that way :) Congrats.

holistio 4mo ago

Do we have any chance left of using software for our work without Big Tech behind it?

tornikeo 4mo ago
That's as easy as making new Vite. :) Which is hard, not easy but my point stands.
- notpushkin 4mo ago
  Fork?
applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
Yes. Pay for software from independent developers and small businesses. The entire reason big tech is where it is is because nobody wants to pay for software, and big tech is the way to make money off of "free" software. Software developers need money to eat, so this is the inevitable result of demanding everything for free. Actions meet consequences.
- Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
  While this is the idealist point of view, if you earn 100K a year from open source work - and that's already the top 0.1% if not less of open source developers - and a company comes around to buy you out for $10 million plus a 300K / year job (for example)... open source etc just can't compete.
  - limagnolia 4mo ago
    Well that is why it is open source. It doesn't matter how big the company is behind it, you can use it without the company that owns the name, and even use a different, small tech company for support.
- sph 4mo ago
  “Be the change you want to see in the world” and other stories powerless people tell themselves to sleep. I pay for independent software, point is, only big money can afford to hire employees to work on free software, because they don’t make money from selling software but from being a monopoly. Free software will always win, which is not a bad thing of itself, but it also means that Big Tech control over the software world is inevitable. The entire free software ethos indirectly opened the door to the Big Tech monopoly. There is no FAANG without open source, there is no open source without FAANG.

rvz 4mo ago

This is what happens when developers do not pay for their tools. Companies instead take full control over it and the team then loses their independence. Just like Bun, Astral and Astro, did VoidZero ever make any money? If not then this is why open source alone is unsustainable, especially in the age of AI.

pier25 4mo ago
afaik Void Cloud never went GA
bakugo 4mo ago
This would happen even if developers were paying, because a 100 billion dollar corporation like Cloudflare can always pay more. It has nothing to do with sustainability and everything to do with cashing out a huge payday, which seems to be the end goal of everything nowadays.
epolanski 4mo ago
Why not setup proper no profit foundations instead of VC-funded for profits then? I think major projects that are core to the infrastructure should get financing and donations from the major tech companies benefitting. I'm not saying my solution would work, maybe I'm being naive and unaware of the realities of most of these projects.
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pier25 4mo ago

Weird situation for Vue. The Nuxt guys and Eduardo (creator of vue-router, pinia, etc) are working at Vercel while Evan is now at Cloudflare.

yurishimo 4mo ago
Vue has always handled things well when dealing with cross framework stuff due to their back and forth with Angular for being the go-to number 2. I’m confident that things will be well maintained for an open ecosystem. Evan is smart enough to know that tying the core technology too much to one platform will create more problems than it solves in the long term. That said, I’m excited to see if Evan can delivery another massive win for web developers everywhere now that he has access to more funding.
- pier25 4mo ago
  This is just my own impression but I feel that Evan might have distanced himself from Vue to focus on Vite and Void. IIRC Vapor mode was spearheaded by someone else. Same with Alien signals. To be clear, I don't think this is bad. Vue 3 seems feature complete at this point and nobody needs another Vue 2 situation.
- TiredOfLife 4mo ago
  You underestimate how much Guillermo Rauch hates Cloudflare
TheAlexLichter 4mo ago
IMO perfect for Vue (and similar for Vite). All the talented folks working together.

bakugo 4mo ago

Alright, so, how long until the current Vite codebase is replaced by a vibe coded Rust port? I give it a month or two.

yurishimo 4mo ago
Huh? Vite is already powered by a huge Rust codebase now that the release of v8.0 is live. They spent years developing their own parser and tooling to make it all possible.
phplovesong 4mo ago
Probably in a year or two. Look at bun, same will happen to vite.
esafak 4mo ago
As mentioned, Vite is already Rust, plus the same developers (the subject of the news) have developed https://viteplus.dev/ https://viteplus.dev/

EDM115 4mo ago

see also https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-cloudflare & https://vite.dev/blog/cloudflare-supports-vite https://vite.dev/blog/cloudflare-supports-vite

plumocracy 4mo ago

Great grab for cloudflare tbh. Excited to see where this goes :)

yanis_t 4mo ago

Congratulations to the team! I hope Evan and others got fabulously rich, they deserve it!

LoganDark 4mo ago

> Before saying anything else, we want to make the most important thing clear: Vite, Vitest, Rolldown, Oxc, and Vite+ will stay open source, vendor-agnostic, and community-driven. Nothing about that changes. Given how every single acquisition like this has gone, especially lately, I look forward to seeing how quickly these products get left behind and unmaintained as their entire team move onto things at CF.

TheAlexLichter 4mo ago
Vite is a multi stakeholder team. How would that happen?
- LoganDark 4mo ago
  I suppose we'll just have to see if it does.

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tuananh 4mo ago

Amazing acquisition for Cloudflare.

hntiz 4mo ago

I think, just from a purely build-step point of view, it's been evident that tools like Vite, Bun, etc. have achieved all they meaningfully can. If I was the creator of these tools, I've move on too. Good luck and thanks for everything.

alefnula 4mo ago
I think this frames the tools too narrowly. If Vite, Bun and uv were just "make builds faster" projects, then maybe the returns are diminishing. But the acquisitions by Cloudflare, Anthropic and OpenAI suggest this layer is becoming more strategic, not less. These tools sit in the software supply chain: dependency resolution, project structure, tests, builds, runtimes, deployment paths and increasingly AI-agent execution loops. They define the default path for building software, and they are where AI-generated code gets tested against real dependencies, builds, tests and deployment constraints. So I don’t think they’ve achieved all they meaningfully can. The value is shifting from raw build speed to control over the workflow layer where software is assembled.
creamyhorror 4mo ago
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
catapart 4mo ago
lol. any of them - literally just ONE - could have a full blown UI so that you wouldn't have to build projects using a command line like it's 1985. or maybe one of them could just invest in packaging custom html elements, instead of assuming I'm going to use one of a handful of unnecessary "component" libraries, or assuming that I won't be using components at all. there's plenty of places for these tools to go, but none of them have any appetite to go there. likely because people already have something that's so "good enough" that they don't even bother looking for what "could be better". obviously exacerbated by the management class of development outfits deciding that developers shouldn't actually touch the codebase anymore, in lieu of LLMs doing the actual lifting, so they're building out all kinds of chicanerous nonsense to satisfy "agents". and that doesn't necessarily make things more difficult for devs, but that seems to be the trend. forcing your LLM to comply with tortured and arcane concatenations of character-perfect strings is so much easier than having it navigate anything like a filthy human. so the practical result is less accommodating stuff for humans and more accommodating stuff for robots. all of which is to say: I disagree. I think there's things they could meaningfully achieve for humans. And I think they are deeply uninterested in doing those things.

embedding-shape 4mo ago

> Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. And a better Internet is an open Internet. Developers need choice, frameworks need a neutral foundation, and applications need to be portable. It is not reasonable to expect the entire web ecosystem to build around a single vendor. Already at this point, I start thinking that they're turning Vite into a foundation, or donating it to the Linux Foundation, or something like that. "foundation" is mentioned 10 times in total in various ways, but then some actual foundation creation/handover never came up. Even when they themselves state how important it is developers have choice and everything shouldn't centralized around a single vendor. Deeply ironic.

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jesse_dot_id 4mo ago

Big fan of Cloudflare and a bigger fan of vite. Probably one of the best outcomes for the latter.

gonzalohm 4mo ago
What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?
- ocdtrekkie 4mo ago
  IMHO Cloudflare ensures decentralization of the Internet: It provides an alternative to AWS, Azure, and GCE which gives your little personal selfhosting box or small VPS the same level of protection the big providers have. And generally, anything you have either hosted on or proxied by Cloudflare, can be pretty trivially moved to another provider. Whereas things built on top of AWS, Azure, and GCE services tend to be pretty stuck there. Cloudflare has some big misses in it's history, like deciding to takedown a social media site for sex workers while defending a decision to provide services to Nazis at length, but in comparison to the alternatives it makes more decentralization practical than might be otherwise.
  - ipaddr 4mo ago
    Cloudflare ensures decentralization How by taking out 25% of the internet when they go down?
    - ocdtrekkie 4mo ago
      Have you ever seen a us-east-1 outage? Or when Exchange Online fails... weekly or so? There's a lot of huge clouds that are load-bearing for the Internet. Cloudflare is the one you can at least circumvent easily.
      - gonzalohm 4mo ago
        That's not true. Read about all the drama happening in Spain when an entity (the soccer league) decides to block all the Cloudfare IPs. You are stuck with no access to most websites behind Cloudfare, and that's a lot of them

Sammi 4mo ago

The question I have is: Is Vite becoming the all-in-one nodejs tool that is replacing all the other full featured js tooling favorites like Bun, Deno and pnpm?

moomoo11 4mo ago
vite just works
ramon156 4mo ago
Vite is unmatched
TheAlexLichter 4mo ago
Just use Vite Plus (viteplus.dev)
pjmlp 4mo ago
Nope, mostly using pnpm over here.
- chrisweekly 4mo ago
  That's orthogonal; Vite (and its ecosystem) _with_ pnpm is likely the best combination avlbl.
francislavoie 4mo ago
Vite is not a package manager and is not a JS runtime. That's what Node/Bun/Deno do. Vite is the remaining glue for any web project's build and testing needs.
- Sammi 4mo ago
  Bun and Deno are not js runtimes either. They are wrappers for existing js runtimes and add additional apis.
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phplovesong 4mo ago

This goes down the same path. Every. Time. Thank god i did not use vite for anything serious. Esbuild is still my goto even after many years.

conaclos 4mo ago
Same here. I prefer bet on community-led projects like Node.js, ESbuild and BiomeJS (or Prettier / eslint).

postalcoder 4mo ago

Had no idea Vite and OXC were made by the same company. Makes so much sense. I don’t get the complaining about OS developers behind these incredible pieces of software like uv, bun, etc is a bad thing. If anything, it’ll continue to incentivize great developers to fill in the blanks and continue to push things forward. It’s a win for everyone.

Sammi 4mo ago
OXC predates VoidZero and is made by Boshen. Evan had to try for a while until he was able to convince Boshen to join them. OXC is the best of the JS toolchains implemented in Rust, so it was definitely a scoop.

theaniketmaurya 4mo ago

So it's Vue vs Next now?

nkg 4mo ago
Vue vs React Vite vs Next
- ZiiS 4mo ago
  I think Nuxt would be the comparison to Next. I.e. a Framework and a build tool (this bit is Vite)
  - tonyoconnell 4mo ago
    you can actually do everything most people do in next with vite/astro. i was worried to do it but i haven't ran into any problems i couldn't solve.
ZiiS 4mo ago
Vite is now common for everything not Next (even can do Next).

Ajunne 4mo ago

I love how they always make it sound like this is by choice. "VoidZero is joining Cloudflare" As if they chose to do that. Yes, they agreed to it, but in the end it was just a huge financial transaction. But i guess "Cloudflare buys VoidZero" just sounds less friendly. Even though that is exactly what happened.

nkohari 4mo ago
It is by choice, though? VoidZero was well-capitalized and could easily have continued to raise money for the foreseeable.
- fredoliveira 4mo ago
  Could they? Under what business model? Maybe the numbers for the paid products just weren't there and they see this exit as a positive for the team?
  - nkohari 4mo ago
    It's an obvious partnership because Void Cloud was built on Cloudflare anyway, so having Cloudflare buying them directly just means that both companies don't need to carve out their own margin. Cloudflare is also happy to fund the work on Vite, Oxc, et al. while also having a more direct answer for Vercel and Next.js. With all that said, I don't think we can extrapolate that their business wasn't doing well or that they couldn't have raised more money. Cloudflare probably just offered a good enough deal that it didn't make sense to try to grind it out. What I really mean is that when M&A happens, it seems like a lot of people think the acquirer is the only one with any agency, and that's not true at all.
Aurornis 4mo ago
> As if they chose to do that. Yes, they agreed to it, That is the definition of making a choice. This is some incredible mental backflipping to suggest that their choice wasn’t their choice.
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demetris 4mo ago

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

embedding-shape 4mo ago
> I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy. Same, kind of conflicting. Happy for the individuals involved, they've probably more than earned it. Slightly sad about what comes next, as I'm guessing both you and me seen this happen so many times before, and we've learned to read past the always-reiterated "Nothing will change, everything keeps on being great forever".
trollbridge 4mo ago
Yeah. I don't want to sound selfish, but now I need to make plans to eventually migrate off of vite.
- adzm 4mo ago
  Migrate off vite to what exactly? I just migrated a personal project to vite and it simplified the existing webpack thing drastically, I was very impressed.
  - shimman 4mo ago
    IDK, I've been purposely limiting the scope of work I can provide by only working with js, html, css. It's extremely limiting but when it comes to basically making one-off splash pages it's nice to not worry about tooling and just deploy what I made instantly. Modern CSS is amazing, there's no need to use sass or postcss. The modern web APIs are amazing as well. You can get a lot done with new base standard across browsers. The only libraries I really pull in nowadays are anime.js + umami for analytics. I don't even need TS and can get away with js doc annotations + a functional LSP allows me to be slightly more dangerous (think running with scissors in chain mail). Maybe if you need a specific web app you can reach for the complex tooling but even then I still wonder if it's necessary? The most popular political tool I've shared was a simple HTML page that just fetched the census API for specific codes in a tabular format. Sure I could have used react which would have enabled me to unlock some future value I couldn't foresee at the time but the working alternative is that I have a single html page with minimal JS (around ~2k LOC) that a surprising amount of nontypical devs (think carpenter that is interested in cybersecurity or union negotiators) are able to extend by themselves for their own needs (think adding census codes about snap or public transit). There is a tremendous amount of value in telling my users how they can modify the source code and see the immediate impact of doing as much. If this was a project that would have necessitated vite the first thing I would tell them is to install nodeJS and that's where I would lose 99.9999999999% of my users being able. These projects will never go beyond 500,000 visitors and a CDN is more than sufficient for 90% of the work I do. So that obviously plays a major role but if this is a solo project there are much better choices to make if you want it to be sustainable + low upkeep. Those two qualities are something we as an industry should always value as it makes all our jobs collectively easier.

jazzypants 4mo ago

First Astro, now this? Cloudflare is getting all the good JS talent. The monetization story never really made sense to me. It seems really hard to carve out a space in the managed hosting world. Are the Vercel and Laravel teams the only ones to make Private Equity work?

maiko26 4mo ago
they need to add tanstack to the roster
- youre-wrong3 4mo ago
  Ewww

pjmlp 4mo ago

So now each major SPA framework belongs to a cloud provider, Vercel, Cloudflare and Google.

holografix 4mo ago
What’s the Google one? Flutter?
- pjmlp 4mo ago
  Angular. Flutter hardly matters.
  - jshier 4mo ago
    You say that, but Cloudflare just rewrote their WARP / Cloudflare One clients in Flutter. It really sucks, but they are using it.
    - pjmlp 4mo ago
      I don't even know what that is. Flutter is the only reason Dart still exists, and in what concerns the Android team, writing cross mobile application, is to be done with Kotlin. Which contrary to Dart, has a few use cases, besides Android.
      - cptmurphy 4mo ago
        But dart can also compile to js/wasm and has very great native aot support. Flutter Desktop is maintained by Ubuntu
owebmaster 4mo ago
Ironically, Lit that was created by Google isn't maintained by it anymore. The project is, unfortunately, almost dead tho
- pjmlp 4mo ago

andrewstuart 4mo ago

Vibe coded rewrite in rust upcoming!

equasar 4mo ago
These tools are already written in rust.
tonyoconnell 4mo ago
just wondering... do you think bun's rewrite with ai was vibe coded or engineered with ai? i know it wasn't perfect in the beginning but i think it was good engineering and what was built will make it faster and better.

timdavid2026 4mo ago

Interesting acquisition. Curious how VoidZero's tech will integrate with Cloudflare's stack.

Lord_Zero 4mo ago
Not so much about the tech as it's about the talent they aquired.

yuppiepuppie 4mo ago

So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant

embedding-shape 4mo ago
> So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount Indeed, so as a library/framework/engine/runtime user, for the last decade or so, I've basically avoided anything that touched VC-investments, as eventually the tool will either degrade, get too expensive or straight up disappear, and I got so tired of having to refactor and move stuff around just because new owner did something shitty.
- AdeCodechise 4mo ago
  Hey there embedding-shape -- my name is Adrian Bridgwater and I'm a technology journalist that has enjoyed the realism of your comment here, can I contact you for a follow up comment? I'm here at LinkedIn to start with https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianbridgwater/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianbridgwater/
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    Sure, reach out via my email that's in my profile, I don't have LinkedIn :)
stackskipton 4mo ago
My guess is investors are getting a good return on investment so they are probably pretty happy.
- yuppiepuppie 4mo ago

ta-run 4mo ago

This has become a very common occurrence; might be the only sustainable path forward for projects and maintainers. Win-win for all parties involved.

thrownaway561 4mo ago

For anyone pissing on this, you have to remember one thing... time equals money and, as someone who spent 7 years building an open source project, you make almost ZERO from doing it. At the end, if you want to continue the project, you have to sell your soul somehow, either by doing a paid tier, consulting or getting corporate sponsorship. Unless you are one of the VERY lucky ones that does the coding on the side while having a full time job (which I was in the VERY fortunate position to be in at the time). It's going to come down to "can I afford to keep doing this for nothing"? So for all you high and mighty people calling them sell outs and what not, I would love to see how much you've been contributing to the project in order for it to keep going. I think what CloudFlare is doing is a good thing. They get a tremendous team that they can have help work on their infrastructure while keeping the open source projects alive.

localhoster 4mo ago

Will it be the next Bun?

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4mo ago
What do you mean? Their tools are mostly Rust already :)

hbwang2076 4mo ago

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olingern 4mo ago

These acquisition announcements always leave me uneasy. There’s a lot of hand waving, “nothing will change and our roadmap will stay the same!” but we can all do basic math and understand that’s not how business works. As an aside, I have to use Cloudlare at work and it’s a pretty awful experience for the medium sized org I’m at. “Hostile UX” is a common complaint. Maybe they should invest money in competing with Vercel on UX/DX instead of acquiring open source projects.

gowthamgts12 4mo ago
their reliability is also way way down lately. too many mishaps and i've long lost trust in CF.
- olingern 4mo ago
  Yes. We’re beginning the process of moving away because of how they’ve become a single point failure that’s unreliable. AWS is more reliable and it’s a bad spot to be in when your CDN / router is down but your actual application is fine
  - gowthamgts12 4mo ago
    100%. Most of our outages were because of CF which we had no control over
burcs 4mo ago
sorry to hear that's been your experience. i actually joined through an acquisition about a year ago and one of the main things we've been focused on is the dashboard and overall dx. sadly "hostile ux" is a phrase i've heard more than once and we're working hard to improve. if you're open to it, would love to hear more about the issues you've be running into
- runtime_terror 4mo ago
  The dashboard UX has improved a lot lately but one thing that drives me absolutely nuts is that I get rate limited all the time using it. For example, I had to recently change an env var we had on a handful of apps and opened them all into new tabs and made the changes and about half way through I started getting rate limited. This has happened to me many times and I've reported it to support and in Discord but it still happens. One other big complaint is support is non-existent. We sent many support emails (on business plans) and I'm pretty sure we've never gotten a reply. Same for posting in Discord. It's pretty disheartening to build your business on Cloudflare and have no confidence support will help you when you need it.

outlore 4mo ago

Well at least this time we don’t have to worry about them rewriting their tooling in Rust

chrisweekly 4mo ago

Bummer. The Vite ecosystem is fantastic, and VoidZero's tools are all world-class (vite, vitest, oxcfmt, oxclint,...), but I wish they'd remain(ed) independent.

nja 4mo ago

Unpleasantly close to when Cloudflare bought BastionZero... the promises quickly fell away, the tool decayed (I found three serious bugs in one single week...and they had stopped even bothering to publish changelogs), and Cloudflare eventually gave us a "hey, we're actually shutting this down in a month, good luck" email prompting a scramble to rewire all of our infrastructure. (Fwiw SDM ended up being a better alternative anyways... not looking forward to their eventual acquisition and shutdown :/ )

freedomben 4mo ago
Thanks for the example. I'm skeptical of the claims that "nothing will change" but want to believe them, and examples are the only real data to go on (feels/vibes aren't data), so thank you. Original blog post of the acquisition of BastionZero: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-acquires-bastionzero/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-acquires-bastionzero/
mynameisvlad 4mo ago
What promises? The announcement for BastionZero was quite clear as to what would happen: > The BastionZero team will be focused on integrating their infrastructure access controls directly into Cloudflare One. During the third and fourth quarters of this year, we will be announcing a number of new features to facilitate Zero Trust infrastructure access via Cloudflare One. All functionality delivered this year will be included in the Cloudflare One free tier for organizations with less than 50 users. We believe that everyone should have access to world-class security controls. Did you expect them to continue running their own service when it was pretty evident their work would be integrated into CF's zero trust suite?

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maherbeg 4mo ago

Very happy for them, they made excellent tools and I hope they can continue their work! I do believe though that these tools (formatting, linting etc.) should be built into the language like Go, and I really hope the Node team can just absorb the best ideas and make solid primitives that can be built on top of as the ecosystem evolves (think golang's http interfaces, or test interfaces)

zarzavat 4mo ago
It took the JS community many iterations to get to vite. Building it into the language just means you get stuck with a "good enough" solution that survives by inertia. We'd still be using webpack. I'm all for building things into the language when there's only one way to do it though.
- runtime_terror 4mo ago
  Counter point; good enough is often... good enough Go is the best example of this; it's boring but incredible stable and consistent
- maherbeg 4mo ago
  for sure! but there are lots of incremental shareable primitives that could help. I think about go's built in testing tools that can get extended as an example

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rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4mo ago

I knew this was going to happen the moment they mentioned in a demo that Void, their development platform, was build on top of Cloudflare.

freedomben 4mo ago

> Before saying anything else, we want to make the most important thing clear: Vite, Vitest, Rolldown, Oxc, and Vite+ will stay open source, vendor-agnostic, and community-driven. Nothing about that changes. Appreciate them putting that so clearly. I am highly skeptical of acquisitions now because we've been burned so many times in the past. Time will tell if this stays true, but at least it's clearly on the record. Would love to know if this is in contract/writing somewhere as part of the acquisition.

stackskipton 4mo ago
>Would love to know if this is in contract/writing somewhere as part of the acquisition. Cloudflare would be insane to allow that provision in the contract or acquisition documents. So I would take that promise as "will stay open source, blah blah blah, for now...."
- borski 4mo ago
  Dropbox did it for Zulip. It entirely depends on how much the seller cared to ensure continuity. It’s not like VoidZero didn’t have plenty of leverage; they weren’t a dying open source project.
  - throw14082020 4mo ago
    Dropbox spun out Zulip because it was a failed project they were going to shut down. This is completely different?
    - borski 4mo ago
      Dropbox never had any intention of running Zulip. But the team wanted Zulip to continue existing, so they worked that into the agreement with Dropbox. That is my understanding.
- dbbk 4mo ago
  What would they benefit from taking it closed source? And how would that even work for a JavaScript toolchain?

valgaze 4mo ago

"Vue.js: JavaScript MVVM made simple (vuejs.org)" February 3, 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7169288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7169288 Evidently Evan You was an Art History + Studio Art and major and at Parsons School he had to pick up javascript to quickly show his work. During a stint at Creativelab5 at Google, he was so inspired to improve on AngularJS experience that he came up with Vue and the rest is history. I have no idea what this Cloudflare acquisition will ultimately mean but I know I am so very grateful for the beautiful frameworks/tooling Evan and his team have cranked out over the years.

jamwise 4mo ago
Evan has done really great work. I haven't used Vue extensively (not my company's stack) but am a huge fan of Vite and it has helped our React pipeline a lot. I've also recently started playing around with CloudFlare pages and workers and it's already such a pain-free process to get basic apps up and running, I imagine this collab will make my life easier.
mikestorrent 4mo ago
Perhaps one learning here is that people should train on recognizing elegance and aesthetics first before building frameworks
CharlieDigital 4mo ago
Really good talk that goes over this: https://corecursive.com/vue-with-evan-you/ https://corecursive.com/vue-with-evan-you/ Totally worth the listen.
brikym 4mo ago
Similar story with Rich Harris of Svelte. He had no tech background but learned js to power data visualizations for his work in journalism.
- icemelt8 4mo ago
  This is the story with most frontend developers, they are not usually from a typical computer science background.

joeyhage 4mo ago

Everything Cloudflare is announcing could have been done without acquiring VoidZero. The part they aren’t saying is the greater influence they will have on the roadmap and protecting themselves from someone else acquiring vite and making it closed source and/or monetizing it. We’ve seen it so many times - a project promises to stay free and open source, but things change. Are there any licenses or contracts that a project could use and would hold up in court that they need to stay FOSS forever?

shimman 4mo ago
This is why we need to start advocating more public investment into open source technology. Imagine how much better the state of our industry would be if we gave 100,000 open source developers a $100,000 grant. This modest $10,000,000,000 fund would be extremely tiny compared to the bloated private research we see annually at corporations. Such a wasted amount of capital doing fuck all when there can be real value and economic gain if we supported open source without the influence of VC + big tech that seem to want a return to feudalism, exacerbate the climate crisis, and hoard as much wealth as possible. A better world is possible.
conartist6 4mo ago
>Are there any licenses or contracts that a project could use and would hold up in court that they need to stay FOSS forever? I don't understand, the existing licenses say that, and courts uphold them to say that. If a company has given code to you under an OSS license, that code is yours under that license forever. There'd be no point in trying to bind a person to give you all their future creative output for free just because they had given some of it to you for free. That'd be awful! And anyway we don't need courts to fix this because people can fix it just by helping each other maintain open software
- joeyhage 4mo ago
  What I meant was the project would stay FOSS forever, so that would mean all future updates including features, bug fixes, and patches. My understanding is the license can be changed at any time so then you would only have FOSS access for the code up until the point in time the license changed. That said, I completely agree that there’s a better solution.

j_w 4mo ago

I hate company acquisitions. Not for the aquire-ee(?), I'm not going to be a hypocrite and claim I wouldn't take the payout if I were in that position. But that companies can build massive moats by just buying up as many other companies as possible. I don't even feel like I can make a "good" argument for it either. Massive companies becoming more massive through acquisitions just feels wrong, like the end game won't work out well for the commons. I assume the point here is that now Cloudflare can try and push more Vite users into their ecosystem? Nudge the development to integrate better with their products? They say they are moving towards Vite, not Vite moving towards Cloudflare, but ultimately <tool> moves in the direction <owner> decides - even if it's "developed openly."

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lanycrost 4mo ago

Hope it will help to make workers and pages toolset more robust and better.

65 4mo ago

If it was invariably going to be acquired, Cloudflare is certainly better than Microsoft, Anthropic, or private equity.

TeriyakiBomb 4mo ago

I just hope there's not some bullshit publicity stunt coming in a few weeks. "We just ported Vite to ActionScript in 11 minutes, we swear for legit technical reasons"

swe_dima 4mo ago

Love Vite, but always felt sorry for them because it was not clear how they can make money, the whole VoidZero thing felt like a stretch. It's one of those things that always stopped me from building cool tools - you have to make a living somehow. So I am happy for the team of builders that they were able to receive the deserved payout and sustainability.

zuzululu 4mo ago
A lot of these very popular FOSS products/frameworks simply are the worst ways to make money. You are selling to a demographic that doesn't want to pay for the tools and value they get. You end up competing against your own free version that can now be modified with a bit of AI agent session to get feature parity.

ruguo 4mo ago

First Bun went to Anthropic. Then Astro and now VoidZero to Cloudflare. Feels like all my favorite open-source projects are getting adopted by the giants.

intellix 4mo ago

Would be happier with this information if I didn't hate Cloudflare's extortion based business model

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MrToBe 4mo ago

When will deno be bought

MrToBe 4mo ago

When will deno be bought?

pier25 4mo ago
nobody wants it
sakesun 4mo ago
by Oracle

Maiko11 4mo ago

All of them are getting acquired nothing bad in that but I feel like the path to revenue with open source just isn't viable anymore. You have to build your own platform like vercel, or build great dev tools like mintlify

ipaddr 4mo ago
Vercel is killing free public repos in a month. Lure then lock in and pull the rug out.
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todotask2 4mo ago

Cloudflare acquiring Astro and VoidZero was unexpected. I’ve been using Astro for a solo project, which made things easier to manage. It also came at a time when expectations for the project were starting to increase.

7xmohamed 4mo ago

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true_religion 4mo ago

Just for the record, NPM -> Microsoft Vite -> Cloudflare Bun -> Anthropic Turbopack -> Vercel Remix -> Shopify (I barely remember this one) Biome (formerly Rome) -> Indie but largely supported by Depot SWC -> Indie esBuild -> Indie I use RsBuild/RsPack which is ByteDance supported.

jerrygenser 4mo ago
Python but also add Uv -> OpenAI
tom1337 4mo ago
Nuxt & Nitro -> Vercel Svelte -> Vercel Astro -> Cloudflare
ascorbic 4mo ago
esbuild is a side-project of Evan Wallace, co-founder of Figma, so it's only kinda-indie.
wqtz 4mo ago
Is the guy from CoreJS still looking for a job?
firemelt 4mo ago
but why?

jphil529 4mo ago

Really love Cloudflare and I think they've been doing a great job with these acquisitions. Love how they've handled integrating PartyKit with Durable Objects

tracerbulletx 4mo ago

Everyone's trying to build end to end agent -> prod platforms and wants to own the tooling for the dev environment part of that.

dzonga 4mo ago

5 years too late. at most this acquisition should've happened before Cloudflare went all in on workers.

opem 4mo ago

I thought they're gonna build their own hosting platform eventually. Where is the fun in this :(

egorfine 4mo ago

I am really happy for the developers. I'm sad to see these tools go. Vite was a godsend after a zoo of webpack/grunt/etc. But what will happen is that new sane tool will come up once vite dissolves and that's the never ending cycle.

mellosouls 4mo ago

Congrats to the team. I appreciate Cloudflare's loud positive proclamation here wrt the OS future; I know scepticism is warranted with some takeovers but although there might be a trend towards Cloudflare fit over the long term that's very different from closing down or abandonment so this generally seems positive to me - best wishes to all parties.

bluelightning2k 4mo ago

Vite is great. Vite+ seemed to offer very little added value and was paid for (or was going to be one day?). The article didn't mention what happens to paying Vite+ users. Is that because there basically aren't any?

bluelightning2k 4mo ago

The reason this is worth it to CloudFlare is it will cause AI to recommend them more. The agents already reach for Vite. When they reach for Vite it's very logical they will default to CloudFlare after. (Much like they will guide users to setup Vercel for NextJS). This could be a $20m acquisition which will generate $billions from the increase in the agent equivalent of SEO.

tom1337 4mo ago
Also Lovable just switched to TanStack as a default project framework which uses Vite under the hood. Lovable uses Cloudflare so they’re probably deploying it via Cloudflare Workers.
- rubenvanwyk 4mo ago
  Cloudflare should just buy Lovable next.
alexandre_m 4mo ago
This isn’t going to generate billions in additional revenue. That is a huge exaggeration. I do agree with your underlying argument, though. It will likely help them gain market share for hosting web applications, which is increasing with LLM usage.
- bluelightning2k 4mo ago
  Perhaps "potentially billions" is justifiable? In that it's a "change the scenario entirely" level of change. Certainly if you compare it to another likely scenario where Vercel buys them and fast forward 2 years, it's plausible that a huge number of projects went one way or the other because of what the AIs defaulted to.

simultsop 4mo ago

This was unexpected.

Brosper 4mo ago

I stop believing in any new product. The game is to be popular, hire talent and sell to corporate ;(

AndreiCalazans 4mo ago

didn't Cloudflare just layoff a few hundred people? odd to see a acqui-hire take place right after that but ok. This is great for Evan You

kread 4mo ago
1,100 people, Just a month ago. https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-for-the-future https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-for-the-future

TIPSIO 4mo ago

The dream has always been a first-class framework for Cloudflare Workers. - In the earliest days (literally go read their blog posts and GitHub repos), they only ever really did dinky little demo's. - After and for the longest time, they tried to claim they went "Full Stack" with SSR-able abilities, but they were so terrible back then and not even well integrated into their Worker platform tools. - This was oddly gray mixed (sometimes?) with Pages messaging which definitely was not full-stack in the sense developers wanted. - Then getting any of this to work in a dev environment was super difficult as "wrangler dev" was very limited (wrangler is so good now FYI). - Vercel just kind of ate Cloudflare's lunch here. No shame in it. They just couldn't get it right for developers period. - Then very quietly "Adapters" came around and basically changed the game. Your code base finally felt portable to Workers with essentially full CF platform support. - Now we live in AI-age and they bought Astro (?), tried to launch WP clone (?), and vibe-coded Next (?) Big and long time coming for all of this. It is a super breath of fresh air to see even more improvements will likely come to Workers. Icing on cake is Evan is a legend who has a proven track record of delivering tools people love.

desireco42 4mo ago

I for one love this. Cloudflare is doing really excellent job last few years and of all the companies, this acquisition will not hurt developers like those other might or already do.

kylecordes 4mo ago

I remember thinking that they were making great software, but finding revenue to make the investment payoff could be quite challenging. Looks like that's been solved.

infra_snowman 4mo ago

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rumblefrog 4mo ago

Guess I was right to be suspicious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48213860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48213860

jheriko 4mo ago

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meszmate 4mo ago

Sponsorships are obviously not enough, and not every open source tool has some obvious hosting product to sell. A lot of this stuff is basically public infrastructure now, but we still fund it like a side project.

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xyst 4mo ago

It’s scary how cf has become this giant tech corporation. If cf has issues, we see a cascading effect across the many services we depend on. With the age of AI slop, it’s only going to get worse.

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