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So, to post something in 2027: - You have to have an approved browser. - It has to be installed on an approved platform, Google or Apple, for which you have a
by Animats 5mo ago
So, to post something in 2027:
- You have to have an approved browser.
- It has to be installed on an approved platform, Google or Apple, for which you have a valid account.
- You have to have an account on the posting platform.
- You have to get past moderation on the posting platform.
That's without age verification.
- tmpz22 5mo agoAnd your data on all those platforms - Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are ALL building comprehensive profiles on you, selling your data, and probably tossing it straight to the government in one way or another.
- ElProlactin 5mo agoAnd just so we're clear: these companies are building these profiles even if you haven't registered and/or logged into their services.
- dd8601fn 5mo ago“In one way or another” is doing a huge amount of work in that sentence. The spectrum of privacy postures there is massive.
- fsflover 5mo agoIndeed: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS (therecord.media) [but Apple still collects a lot!] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261
- Cider9986 5mo agoYou can't sign up for a Facebook account without giving a live selfie. Any image of your family you post will be scraped by Clearview AI, bypassing the restrictions that make it hard for you to create accounts, to create a worldwide facial recognition system.
- simulator5g 5mo agoWell yeah, Facebook has been a data harvesting scheme from the beginning. It was originally called LifeLog. It is not part of the “free” web.
- Cthulhu_ 5mo agoIndeed, well before Clearview, Facebook demonstrated they can identify faces and asked people to tag people in it, creating one of the earlier massive facial ID databases.
- asdefghyk 5mo ago[flagged]
- drivebyhooting 5mo agoIt gets worse. Banks now require pictures of faces to fucking close the account and pull the money out.
- IAmGraydon 5mo agoYou find it to be a negative that banks require identity verification to drain an account? Personally, I would refuse to keep my money with a bank that doesn’t do this.
- iririririr 5mo agomost banks using faceid won't accept you go to a branch. because they contract with a provider who makes more money from building and selling a database than to fulfilling the contract with the banks.
- rockskon 5mo agoDo you have proof of this? This comes off as conjecture.
- iririririr 5mo agodon't forget what's been going on for a few decades already: a personal phone number that ties your home address, billing, etc etc.
- throwawayk7h 5mo agois remote attestation possible in a web browser already?
- Animats 5mo agoMobile, yes. Not sure about desktop.
- hsbauauvhabzb 5mo agoI’ve configured my browser to disable certain tech like webgl, I get infinite captchad by google. Using vanilla chrome works fine. It might not be full blown attestation but it’s not great. Fuck you google for ever thinking infinite captchas are acceptable.
- subscribed 5mo ago"might as well abuse this tosser to train the AI a bit. Free compute and classification, hey!" - or so, I guess. They immediately know they'll never get you through :)
- hsbauauvhabzb 5mo agoGood luck, I don’t know whether the slight line in the adjacent square is part of the traffic light and sometimes I just say fuck it and click random squares.
- pocksuppet 5mo agoGoogle actually doesn't care whether you click that. They care about other things, like how quickly you complete the captcha. Slow down, pretend you're an old granny, and you'll be more likely to pass them. Sometimes they've already decided you might be a bot, so they'll decide to claim you failed the first several rounds no matter what. Sometimes I fantasize about getting the Google CEO to complete a reCAPTCHA in Tor Browser live as part of a courtroom trial to prove cheating business practices.
- gorgoiler 5mo agoAnd you have to declare your accounts to border police prior to international travel.
- kakacik 5mo agoIs that some US thing? As as European I've never experienced this, on any continent (barring Antarctica)
- maccard 5mo agoYou don’t “have to”. They’re requested when travelling to the US - but from my experience it’s not enforced (at least not consistently, I’ve never been asked why it was blank on my forms)
- Symbiote 5mo agoI thought so too, and said so at a meeting at work when some colleagues were unwilling to travel to the US. It turns out close contacts of some of my colleagues have been asked to show their Facebook accounts at the US border. There was a recent rule change about it.
- no-name-here 5mo agoAre you referring to financial accounts or social media accounts? (If social media accounts, I'm guessing you're referring to the US specifically, and during advance visa processing rather than at the border.)
- nicce 5mo ago> and during advance visa processing rather than at the border.) This got extended to every traveler, visa or not.
- damnesian 5mo agothis is reason enough to close the vast majority of them. if you're engaged in discussion, that's one type. the doomscrolling types, more addictive but very much more disposable.
- armchairhacker 5mo agoThat’s to post something on a garbage social media like Facebook. Facebook owns their site, so I believe they can require whatever they want, and your option is to not use them. Other services requiring Facebook (or an Apple or Google phone) and everyone using Facebook are separate problems, that should be handled specifically; I think it’s easier to leave Facebook than coerce Facebook into decency. Fortunately on Hacker News, you still only need a username and password. And if spam is an issue, on lobste.rs you only need an invite.
- somewhatgoated 5mo agoIt’s the end of large scale “global village” social media - good riddance if you ask me; I’ve left it years ago for more private spaces. I wonder though how it will affect places like 4chan. I don’t really know if it’s still as anonymous as it used to be but that’s like a cornerstone of their existence.
- HerbManic 5mo agoGlobal village can just be code for Tower of Babel. It was knocked down for a reason.
- palata 5mo agoI totally agree with that, and all those points scare me a lot more than privacy-preserving age verification.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 5mo agoThey all started with something as innocuous as privacy preserving age verification
- palata 5mo agoThey all started with chocolate. I don't see your point. Remove all laws?
- tjpnz 5mo ago- If you want to enter the United States you must have a social media account to vet for your love of Dear Leader.
- thenthenthen 5mo agoThis was 2018 China. Oh jeah add id verification to that as well.
- tardedmeme 5mo agoFun fact: America invented the social credit score, long before China, and they still have it. The only difference, is the lack of the word "social" in the system's name, but it's the same system.
- handle584 5mo ago[dead]
- wffurr 5mo agoSo don't post on Facebook or whatever. It's a waste of time anyway. Why would I want to add more garbage to the dumpster fire?