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AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers
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- LilBytes 4mo agoQuotes from the article: 'Work as Identity: The Foundation' Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When automation threatens the work, it reaches past the income and touches the identity.' Excerpt from the article above. It heavily leans on Reddit quotes, articles posted on Reddit and the number of upvotes to backup or sustain certain arguments. But I found the article informative, and publishing a message and a feeling I've been struggling to describe, write or externalise. Hope it's helpful or at least interesting to us here. Apparently my feelings of disillusionment, confusion, anxiety, failing self esteem and occasionally anger or frustration from AI has a name that's starting to be written and formalised. Though not yet accepted either informally or formally, but it's starting a conversation which I'm thankful for, _Artificial Intelligence Replacement Dysfunction_. From the article: "In September 2025, two psychiatrists at the University of Florida College of Medicine, Stephanie McNamara and Joseph E. Thornton, published a paper in the journal Cureus proposing a new construct they call Artificial Intelligence Replacement Dysfunction, or AIRD." I'll be sharing this article with my psychologist when we meet in a few weeks.
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- harvey9 4mo agoThe idea that skilled people who work with their hands don't identify with their work is laughable.
- somenameforme 4mo agoIt's also reflective of the author living in a very small bubble. It's quite a shame that chose to include that as I think the article is otherwise relevant and pertinent, but it colors the whole thing.
- agumonkey 4mo agoOne tiny nanoscopic nitpick, because i agree with you mostly, programming is often creating wider things (abstractions, frameworks). I think it hits a different part compared to most jobs. Maybe... i'm not sure, but that's how i feel compared to other manual occupations that i loved too.
- brianleb 4mo agoOP did not say anything about skilled workers who make things with their hands. You are describing an artisan or craftsman, or at the very least a tradesman. The quote is talking about manufacturing labor. This is the guy on the assembly line who lowers the press, makes his thousandth widget for a day, and then lifts it up. Rinse and repeat.
- esperent 4mo agoThat person would have been a skilled laborer like a blacksmith a few generations ago. I'm sure many of those people felt the same way when factories started to produce what they had spent a lifetime learning to make. Now that is happening to many kinds of knowledge workers. Assembly lines mechanized the work of artisans. LLMs are in the process of mechanizing knowledge and creative work, of certain kinds.
- harvey9 4mo agoI think you have a very narrow conception of even assembly line work.
- sudosteph 4mo agoYes, and this is something that is routinely overlooked. Work identities run deep, and they are not easily changed. Andrew Yang actually made a strong point when he was talking about automation-driven job losses way back in 2019. He said you can offer the best and most expensive retraining programs imaginable to help people displaced from their jobs move to fields like healthcare - but most truck drivers, even if out of work, will never even consider retaining to work as a nurse. Identities are not as malleable to the whims of supply and demand as some might want to believe.
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- ThrowawayR2 4mo agoThe article author, according to their site's About page, is a "a performance marketing and paid social media director". While that doesn't necessarily invalidate their opinion, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in it either, particularly whether it accurately describes what's happening in the software industry.
- throwatdem12311 4mo agoSimilar to LLM smells in writing, anyone that blogs about Reddit comments to make broad extrapolations about society or psychology or anything really…I just write it off as slop. They’re low effort takes from terminally online weirdos. The number of upvotes something gets is meaningless. Using it as some kind of appeal to authority or credibility on a topic is a joke. Like those SEO slop gaming articles about “controversies” because some anonymous account on Reddit complained that a character got race swapped or something. This crap gets pulled into Google search results and gets repeated as truth by Gemini when it does a web search. It’s gross.
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- eager_learner 4mo agoI agree. It is human slop and as soon as it said REDDIT, I was like oh come on, I don't even use Reddit.
- taurath 4mo agoOr just maybe it’s heavily economic. Yea there are many people with lots of money who are anxious about being rendered unneeded, but can we talk for a minute about all the people trying really hard to save who are needing to rent at market rates, or maybe they have a mortgage and desperately need their current income in order to not lose their home? Let alone that the people more likely to be replaced are those paid the least!
- _DeadFred_ 4mo agoI like the term AI induced loss of meaning. It covers loss of meaning in work. Loss of meaning in skills. Loss of meaning in art. Loss of meaning in interpersonal communication when you get AI responses back.
- dosisking 4mo agoI like the term 'A Pirate Looks at 40'. To me, this is not much different from Jimmy Buffett's song.
- classified 4mo ago> Artificial Intelligence Replacement Dysfunction I take issue with calling it a dysfunction when the symptoms are a completely natural and appropriate response to an irritation. To me, it has a whiff of blaming the victim.
- emodendroket 4mo ago> Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When automation threatens the work, it reaches past the income and touches the identity.' I think the idea that coal miners or factory laborers or whoever else in blue-collar work did not identify with their work is just wrong, and there's evidence going back as far as the Tomb of Eurysaces the Baker of people deeply identifying with work we might otherwise be tempted to view as lowly.
- FearNotDaniel 4mo agoAbsolutely true - witness the enormous upheaval in the north of England’s coal mining communities when all the pits got closed in the 1980s. It wasn’t just individuals but families across generations and entire villages who had defined themselves by the work they did. It was easy for those in Westminster to say it was a sound decision for the national economy as a whole, but apart from leaving the workers high and dry with no other visible opportunities they absolutely failed to reckon with the cultural impact of taking away the very source of people’s sense of identity.
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- keybored 4mo agoI’ve been critiquing what I’ve called AI Inevitability Soothsaying[1] and this seems related: > > Not all articles in this AI category are outright positive. They range from the euphoric to the slightly depressed. But they share the same premise of inevitability; even the most negative will say that, of course I use AI, I’m not some Luddite[3]! It is integral to my work now. But I don’t just let it run the whole game. I copy–paste with judicious care. blah blah blah This looks very similar. Because what is happening? People are getting laid off. Because of AI. They say. There are many doubters here on this board at least. But what is the first premise of Inevitability? In my book it is to take AI as a given, as the unstoppable force; don’t necessarily praise AI, in fact you can write as if it is hitting us like a merciless meteor. But you have to use that as the premise. Next find a topic to write about. (It’s really about AI but you need a topic that is about the “externalities”.) Well here you have Reddit Comments. Which you seem to imply to have similar thoughts about as me; Reddit posts can be astroturfed to all hell for all you know. Certainly now that they can hide their comment history. So, Depression. How human. How thoughtful. What a soft subject. What a Trojan Horse? That someone cares about this Definitely a Thing? Like here[2]: > > If you're an engineer who uses AI daily - for design reviews, code generation, debugging, documentation, architecture decisions - and you've noticed that you're somehow more tired than before AI existed, this post is for you. You're not imagining it. You're not weak. You're experiencing something real that the industry is aggressively pretending doesn't exist. And if someone who builds agent infrastructure full-time can burn out on AI, it can happen to anyone. It is very real and we feel your emotions. Right. The meteor has struck us all. So what’s the point of Inevitabilism? (This is all speculation anyway.) Fear is certainly a factor. Because only investors need to feel good about AI. Workers need discipline more than positivism.[3] But does that mean this is false? Of course not. But how much of this Shared Depression is because of Interesting Pieces like this one? Just think. You can ruminate yourself into a state of depression (at least lower-d) without anyone giving you even one bad “performance review”. > > Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When automation threatens the work, it reaches past the income and touches the identity.' No, it’s a fucking paycheck my guy. To the extent that it’s an identity though. Uh what? Never met a pre-computer, non-office worker male put into disability or retirement? A homemaker with no one to care for? Really you went to Reddit and concluded that only office workers have an identity? Eat shit, TFA. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46935607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46935607 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46936012 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46936012 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48352526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48352526
- askUqg 4mo agoFraming the job losses and anxiety as grief is counterproductive. It makes for a longer article because you can shoehorn everything in the infamous and frankly ridiculous "five stages" meme. The article does push back occasionally, but ends with the students booing Schmidt interpreted as expressing "their grief". No! That is harmful propaganda. They were expressing their agency and anger at someone who worked 6 years as a programmer, screwed up the Lex rewrite, went straight into management at Sun in 1983 and later moved on to Google. Now he is rich, can escape to Cyprus any time and lectures the young about where programming is going. How would Schmidt with his buggy Lex know what being a programmer is? You need more anger, not this grief nonsense that is just designed to weaken you.
- simonw 4mo agoI've been calling it Deep Blue: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Feb/15/deep-blue/ https://simonwillison.net/2026/Feb/15/deep-blue/
- ashd157 4mo agoSo you are saying in the end of that piece that chess players came out stronger? You know how? Because AI is forbidden in tournaments and there are plenty of idle rich sponsors in Chess (it is popular among autocrats). So you are envisioning a future of software development where we have coding competitions sponsored by MBS where AI is forbidden? Like your Pelican meme, which is designed to cutify AI, this is propaganda of the highest order.
- oidar 4mo agoI believe that the average elo of players is increasing since powerful chess AI / Go AI.
- SiempreViernes 4mo agoWas the average ELO of players approximately stable before chess engines?
- lunar_mycroft 4mo agoElo is zero sum. Each point gained by one player is lost by another. It follows that the mean elo is always exactly equal to the initial elo assigned to new players before they play any games, and can't change over time. If the highest ranked player are higher elo than before, the lower ranked players must be lower elo.
- oidar 4mo ago>Elo is zero sum. In a closed, static pool only.
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- binary132 4mo agoStop trying to demoralize us.
- ashd157 4mo agoTruth is downvoted. They are literally trying to break our spirits.
- threatofrain 4mo agoI'm sure people are sad about a changing relationship to their craft, but make no mistake, the biggest sadness people are experiencing in and out of tech is not having a place in society.
- mewpmewp2 4mo agoI am probably different to most people, but I always have trouble understanding why people want to have jobs so much. The obvious and direct answer immediately of course is "to be able to pay the bills". But of course if we automated those jobs with AI, we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income so people wouldn't lose their income. Then the concern is of course, that the owners will not share the produced value. But the answer to that in my view is that we should rather do work to be able reach a society where this value will be shared, and not rely on "jobs" being the key thing ultimately. If I could choose, I would rather not work, and just do what I want to do all day, stress free, for the rest of my life. Also what is the point of doing the same jobs generation after generation? Most of the jobs in modern world aren't really what fit our evolutionary primitive desires in the first place, and it's forced stress.
- moron4hire 4mo agoIf the US did not spend more than ever Western country combined on "Defense", and stuck to just, IDK, 75% of every Western country combined, we could do it today. At a bare minimum, we could eliminate homelessness and starvation, today. But we live in a society that believes cronie capitalism for capitalism's sake is more important than people's lives, because of the off chance some of them might be "lazy". UBI is never going to happen.
- mewpmewp2 4mo agoI'm not from the US, but the reason to want to have jobs is disbelief that UBI could not happen then? If there was a way to make grounds to get to UBI, would it be fine?
- derektank 4mo agoYou could completely eliminate US defense spending and you would only be able provide every individual with roughly $3000 annually. Also, your comparison to other countries is confounded by the fact that Western countries (i.e. Europe) maintain a low level of defense spending because they have an explicit guarantee of defense under the North Atlantic treaty and a promise of being covered by the US’s nuclear umbrella. If the US were to cut defense spending, other Western countries would need to substantially increase their own.
- saaaaaam 4mo agoHow utterly pointless. AI slop posing as “commentary” on the AI crisis.
- wiseowise 4mo ago> How utterly pointless. What would make it less pointless in your opinion?
- simonw 4mo agoIf someone had written it. It's well curated slop, but it's still slop. Consider this bit: > A profession does not need to be eliminated to be mourned. It is enough for its center to fall out, leaving the people who built careers in that center with credentials that no longer map to a stable role. When AI threatens the work, it threatens the self, which is why the response looks less like ordinary job-loss fear and more like a form of bereavement. I'm certain that section was mostly constructed by an LLM. It reads well, but when you actually focus on what it's saying there's nothing there. I was not enlightened by reading that. No human sat thinking deeply about the situation, constructed their own mental model of what was happening, then put effort into transferring that mental model into my brain so I could be similarly enlightened. They had Claude (probably) express a conclusion that was attached to nothing more than what would statistically sound "deep". Hacker News is surprisingly tolerant of slop these days. I expect to be downvoted for this, because comments highlighting slop are usually downvoted. So it goes.
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- sandworm101 4mo ago>>> For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. Total BS. Top-to-bottom offensive, elitist junk masquerading as logic. Written by someone who has never spent an afternoon with a farmer, with a cop, with a fisherman, a professional musician, a pilot or any manner of soldier. Some professions dictate one's entire life. Software engineer is not one of them. You can be a software engineer 9 to 5 and be something else on weekends. Ask a farmer what they do on weekends. 99 time out of 100 it will be something on a farm. Ask a pilot and they will ask which hotel they are staying in and when thier next flight is schedualed. Ask a soldier and the will ask whether they are on recall. Some professions have days off, others do not. Those are the ones that define a person's life and personality.
- wiseowise 4mo ago> elitist junk masquerading as logic Lol. "Déformation professionnelle" is an elitist junk these days. It's a defect, and I would gladly get rid my brain of all this programming bullshit if my life didn't depend on it and I wouldn't hear from every fucking corner how: 1) During 2010-2015 Indians/Eastern Europeans/Outsource agencies are going to replace me 2) During 2015-2022 Bootcampers/kids working for a bowl of rice/laid off journalists are going to replace me 3) 2024+ AI is going put me on the street You seriously think living in a perpetual fear and constant arms race with Leetcode/System Design/other devs/AI is elitist? Fuck off.
- sandworm101 4mo agoThen quit doing it. I am legally not allowed to quit my job. I do not have that priviledge. If i dont go to work they will send police to make me. To say that software development is somehow special, more impactful on one's life and personality, than that is indeed very elitist.
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- sbayg 4mo agoThere is a name for it, it’s called an “existential crisis.”
- SiempreViernes 4mo agoGreat comment, just one suggestion: call it "mental health problem" and then the terms is even less precise than your suggestion! /s
- _heimdall 4mo agoThe underlying issue here is the same as why I am generally opposed to large governments, entitlement programs, etc. In the case of jobs, we are already overly dependent on individual incomes just to get by. We've collectively outsourced nearly everything a person needs to actually survive, choosing to pay for everything rather than know how to do it ourselves or go without. A tiny fraction of people today are involved in food production, and most of us don't know how the food is produced, processed, or stored. We don't know how to make our own cloths, fix an electrical or plumbing issue in our own home, or maintain our own vehicles yet we depend on all of these. Insurance programs are much the same, though when those leave you high and dry its generally much more impactful than when you can't get a toilet fixed in short order. To their credit, some Democrats tried to warn us of the risks of tying health care to jobs and many Democrats tried to design a better system even if they didn't or couldn't explain the risks necessitating it. Now the tech industry is feeling the pain of all this centralization and dependence. The story this article begins with is tragic, though the fact that we collectively are okay with, and even feel entitled to, being so dependent on various insurance programs is similarly tragic in my opinion. We need to change the core of what our systems are based on today for any meaning, long lasting change to happen. We can keep duct taping the tears along the edges but it will continue to fail, and usually the failures become more painful and more frequent when we just look for more quick fixes.
- SiempreViernes 4mo agoUh, you realise what you are actually opposed to is sedentary civilisation itself? Specialisation is old dude.
- _heimdall 4mo agoHow so? If your argument or assumption is that civilization is directly linked to dependence and individual helplessness that seems like a terrible long term strategy. I don't agree that civilization demands dependence, by the way. We can choose to buy food from someone else while knowing how we would do it ourselves, ideally with some experience. We can buy our food from someone local, reducing our dependence by shrinking the loop is a huge improvement on what we have today. I wasn't arguing that specialization is bad or evil, but I would argue that too much specialization can lead to a fragile system.
- byebyetech 4mo agoAI should be only used for activities that Humans can't do. Replacing humans just for reducing cost should be illegal. In fact we should make LLM use illegal for everything that is not at the forefront of scientific / math discoveries.
- cyanbane 4mo ago"A separate strand of research frames resistance to AI itself as an identity-protective response, where workers push back against the technology because it threatens how they understand who they are." Great read.
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- lowbloodsugar 4mo agoDuring Covid, we, the intellectual class, spent our year lamenting, explaining, meme-Ing, about what a change it was. Meanwhile, every day, billions of poorer people got up and went to their jobs as normal. I’m in lockdown and Grace, the grocery store clerk, is going to work just like any other day, just in a mask. We’re up in arms about AI. We’re asking what does a future where AI can do all the work look like. Where fantasizing about the end of capitalism or fearing the dark futures. We believe that our jobs matter. That the destruction of our jobs will start a revolution. That we matter. AI grief is our class realizing that our future is that of those grocery store clerks, and that we did nothing for grocery store clerks when we had money and influence, and no one will do anything for us. Elysium is the future, not Star Trek.
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- tomhow 4mo agoPlease don't post snarky comments on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- senko 4mo agoI do believe there's going to be a lot of left-behinds, as a sort-of digital rust belt. Even though, as an industry, we've always been in the business of automating and replacing ourselves, the shift will hit too quick. I lay none of the blame on AI the technology, and all the blame on AI as a mindset and excuse. Layoffs are not due to AI, but it's a convenient excuse: "more productive, don't need people, we're firing on all cylinders and yeah, firing 20% of the workforce while we're at it". Everything else being equal, the "more productive so we earn 20%" counterfactual makes more sense - but of course, not everything else is equal. Treadmill speed will increase, no doubt. We haven't lowered working hours from 40 to 20 when computers 2x'd us all, we for sure won't lower them now. We'll manage the nondeterministic imperfections, but boy, will there be bumps on the road. What I fear most: AI will give us all more power. This includes profitmaxxing no-holds-barred corpos, from preseed startups hustling 996-style to big multinacionals. Even now, with locked-down devices and subscriptions for everything and owning things replaced with "owning a limited nontransferrable revokable end-user license", it's not good. AI is going to multiply that. Damn, now I need a drink.
- xerox13ster 4mo agoCorruption belt
- w10-1 4mo agoGood grief! Programmers are more impacted now than manufacturing were because they identify with work? The better prior is when manufacturing or office workers had to take on the job of outsourcing or automating away the work of others, because it highlights the guilt of knowing that it's not good for others, but it's temporarily good for you. Normally we try to expand our concern to our neighbor, but sometimes we have to put on the blinders. It's not fun to pull up the ladder you climbed. The sweet spot of delivering productivity enhancement is when something that was previously too costly now becomes economically feasible -- so you're helping new products/services. It's doubly good because you're not just working/extracting on a value stream, you're creating a new one. Best to aim for that.
- diego_moita 4mo agoFunny that things are discussed in HN only when "Tech Workers" are affected. Artists feel the same about AI, it is probably much worse for them. Computer was a job before becoming a machine. And IT has been automating jobs out of existence ever since. This has been going for centuries.
- emodendroket 4mo agoI mean, yeah? People were getting sad about death thousands of years ago yet that doesn't stop people today from getting sad about it either.
- qsxfthnkp2322 4mo agoLet’s be honest it’s management causing our issues.
- ericfr11 4mo agoManagers are also losing their jobs
- peterspath 4mo agoprobably first
- arjie 4mo ago> In September 2025, two psychiatrists at the University of Florida College of Medicine, Stephanie McNamara and Joseph E. Thornton, published a paper in the journal Cureus proposing a new construct they call Artificial Intelligence Replacement Dysfunction, or AIRD. There is no shortage of medical professionals attempting to design a new medical condition that they are 'certified' to treat and which some government agency 'needs to fund'. This is an interesting mechanism by which these people extract greater rents from productive capacity of this country.
- denkmoon 4mo agoI’m close to despondent about how my job has changed. If the next 15 years of my life is just waiting on LLMs, I don’t think I can do it.
- throw1234567891 4mo agoWhat are you saying, you want to type? You must be good at typing.
- pornel 4mo agoSuch dismissive quip is unkind. The job has changed from a craft to operating an unreliable machine. Instead of satisfaction of solving challenging problems with your own skill and creativity, you babysit a text extruder and slog through mistakes in its generated output. Arguably this may make software cheaper to make and accessible to non-programmers, but for people who liked their job it's like being demoted from a restaurant chef to a microwave button pusher.
- throw1234567891 4mo agoMeh. Since when "typing" implies "solving challenging problems with your own skill and creativity". The "solving" and the "creativity" happen in your head while "typing" is a manual labor. I can contemplate multiple problems at the same time but I can only type one thing at a time. Writing code is like 10% of my programming job. I take an LLM to do the typing for me any day. I still solve challenging problems. Because my secret skill isn't typing, you see. Yeah, call it "dismissive".
- defgeneric 4mo agoIn many cases the really key idea that transforms the overall system design comes from working closely on the specific implementation details. Maybe you don't redesign the system this time, but you saw how you might do it, and you get ideas about how to do it the next time. The craft involves a back-and-forth between different levels of abstraction, and cutting that link does feel like we're sacrificing something.
- elzbardico 4mo agoThe problem is not AI itself. But the fact the we live in the apex of the Business Idiot era.
- sleight42 4mo ago> Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. Really? The way a knowledge worker feels about their labor is different than a manufacturing worker? They don't or can't have similar pride in their labor? In their skills? This is some seriously self-aggrandizing bullshit. Touch some grass.
- defgeneric 4mo ago> Earlier automation targeted physical and manual labor, where a worker’s identity was at least partly separable from the output. A welder is not the weld. It comes through even worse in this later sentence, which at the very least tells you the writer has never met a welder.
- defrost 4mo agoYeah, it has to be said, welding is as much about spitting metal in a line as programming is about tapping keys.
- galaxyLogic 4mo agoNot everybody can create and maintain their own applications even with the help of AI. And that would be wasteful because app is not made to serve a specific user but to accomplish specific tasks. Therefore we will need people who are skilled at creating apps with the help of AI. AI can not do that for us, someone is needed to figure out what apps we need. So AI will empower programmers, not replace them. Of course if you are unwilling to learn how to use AI as part of your tool-chain you might lose your job.
- HeartStrings 4mo agoNo, that will just empower mongrol ADD ideabros with, permajumping from project to project, filling up the internet with ever more slop.
- HeartStrings 4mo agoThis will only get worse and expand to other industries. With no jobs left, most people will probably sign up for military (need bodies when run out of robots+EMT weapons+kessler syndrom yadayada) or/and start organizing massive revolutions in areas most affected (if they got the guts). If not this, the other path leads to starvation, mesninglessness, getting permamogged my tech elite shareholders and eventual DEATH and end of your bloodline (no money = no family). And now tell me, is life like that worth living?
- conartist6 4mo agoTech jobs have always contained a bunch of work that didn't matter much: everything to do with perf reviews for example, and most of those reports. Here's the thing: after we took care of all the little overhead crap that "needed to get done," *we were allowed to go after the real work, the "illegible" "trim tab" work that doesn't really show up on your perf review but actually determines the course of the business over the next 10 years.* What we've lost is our ability to secure a future for ourselves. The grief is the negative image of the bright future we once saw ourselves building: a vision now replaced with the specter of the wholesale destruction of the fabric of society. That apocalyptic vision is now touted as what we should labor towards since it is apparently THE bet to place that society will collapse. People will shower you with money so long as you make this exact bet.
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- dmccarty2829 4mo agoI am a little dubious of the article, given the author
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