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Justice Department scrubs its website of news releases about Jan. 6 defendants

143 points by logickkk1 5mo ago

Barbing 5mo ago
[politics “aside”] related thought from last week- If (and it is!) the internet is used by the (nicest^max + smartest^max) people whose careers and lives owe so much to the web Why isn’t The Internet Archive fully funded for a few lifetimes? Think of all the people you respect who are wealthy and love being able to pull up stuff on TIA & are convinced generally they should be people who pay their fair share. Some of you MUST know plenty I figure… where are the donations? (I would’ve thought we’d be to the point of the big thing being how to prevent archives of your content with also dozens of GhostArchive.org -like alternatives all also well funded who all devise workarounds of blocking schemes, & how to prevent content watermarking from getting archiver accounts/IPs banned. Instead it’s “hey remember us please send $10 to the Archive.org “ meanwhile we are literally all here, on the web)
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none2585 5mo ago
Feels like we're in the realm of extra-judicial justice more and more every day.
- asfdg12 5mo ago
  This is why I am wondering why so many here do not fight in their own area of expertise against the establishment of new feudal AI overlords. It would be so easy. If everyone lets these structures develop and does nothing, things will get worse. Wait how the suppression will be if Musk, Thiel, Altman and Amodei are your feudal lords that control your job. (If you say you cannot do anything because your manager orders you to, watch Yes Minister and learn how it is done. In software all you need to say is that you are trying, but you constantly have to revert bugs introduced by the clankers, which is true anyway. Yes, and you need to do it in a team.)
- pinkmuffinere 5mo ago
  Ya, honestly it is getting scarier than I thought it would. I disliked him from the outset, but figured "after his term we'll at least return to normalcy and fix things". Now I'm much less confident, but desperately hope it goes back to normal after the next election. Maybe we can use this experience to strengthen the institutions that crumbled under the pressure.
  - mindslight 5mo ago
    The institutions "crumbled" because of the hostile Supreme Council with its "unitary executive" theory (aka sparkling autocracy). The only way we're going to have institutions again is a Constitutional amendment laying out that Congress can charter independent agencies. I'd suggest their heads be directly elected by the People. And of course we've got to get rid of the supplicants on the Council too, and then maybe we can call it a Court again.
  - atmavatar 5mo ago
    > "after his term we'll at least return to normalcy and fix things" We'll only return to normalcy after Trump upon implementing our own Nuremburg-style trials for members of his administration and enacting a number of constitutional amendments to fix the structural failures which allowed it to come this far. Even then, it would take at least a generation before the rest of the world will consider treating the US as a sane, good-faith member of the global community. Unfortunately, the chances of either reform occurring are near zero right now. The only way to get enough support for such reforms requires the bulk of the MAGA cult wake from their delirium, which won't happen unless/until things get a lot worse. Loyalists have a pretty large capacity to compartmentalize their dislike of actions taken by Trump separate from their support of Trump the person, even when you can get past the "fake news" mantra that lets them dismiss anything negative which doesn't affect them directly.
    - FireBeyond 5mo ago
      > Loyalists have a pretty large capacity to compartmentalize their dislike of actions taken by Trump separate from their support of Trump the person, even when you can get past the "fake news" mantra that lets them dismiss anything negative which doesn't affect them directly. Absolutely so. Even today a member of the Administration was asked about the $1.8B slush fund and the appropriateness of banning the IRS from auditing not just Trump, but his children and their families (i.e. Kushner, etc.). The response had the name "Biden" in the first six words out of his mouth. Bear in mind, apropos of anything else the leak of his tax return was during Trump's administration, under Trump's choice of IRS commissioner, from a contractor who worked for a GOP-affiliated company working with the IRS. But as you say - just say "Biden" and a sadly not-insignificant subset of the population will automatically begin rewiring neural pathways.
- justinclift 5mo ago
  Yeah, pretty sure the US is headed right toward civil war.
  - burnt-resistor 5mo ago
    The only war is class war. Anyone not a centamillionaire should get together and take the power back from the criminal slime.
The_Blade 5mo ago
ref unpersons
grassfedgeek 5mo ago
Most people seem to think the 1.8B slush fund Trump wants is for rewarding Jan 6 defendants who participated in the insurrection. I think it is for something worse: it is for rewarding those who participate in the next insurrection. If you look at how dictators such as Kim Jong Un operate, a wannabe dictator needs two things. (1) A compliant military that is willing to punish people who oppose the dictator, and (2) a slush fund for rewarding people who support the dictator. For (1): The gathering of generals and top military leaders on September 30, 2025 was to make it clear to them what is expected of them (be willing to attack democrat-controlled cities when called to, and quit if they aren't willing to do that). For (2): that's what the 1.8B slush fund is for.
- anonymousiam 5mo ago
  [flagged]
  - pineaux 5mo ago
    Nah, its not that they were trespassing. Its that they were trespassing while shouting that they were going to hang pence. It was because they were part of a group that attacked police officers. The goal of the trespassing counts.
    - anonymousiam 5mo ago
      There are different narratives describing J6. Not everyone who entered the capitol was calling for a Pence hanging. Some who never entered the Capitol were later arrested for somehow trespassing on the surrounding grounds (because of unannounced security protocols). The number of undercover FBI agents present among the J6 protestors has never been revealed, and the FBI has a history of inciting terror to obtain convictions. https://www.reuters.com/legal/capitol-riot-defendants-face-upheld-trespassing-charges-us-court-2024-10-22 https://www.reuters.com/legal/capitol-riot-defendants-face-u... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies
      - 5mo ago
aaron695 5mo ago
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shepherdjerred 5mo ago
The French were really onto something with the guillotine and the ruling class
- orwin 5mo ago
  We kinda need to get it out of the closet, remove the rust and dust, grease it and use it ourselves for a year or two, but we can lend it to you circa 2029 if you really need it.

143 points by logickkk1 5mo ago

[politics “aside”] related thought from last week- If (and it is!) the internet is used by the (nicest^max + smartest^max) people whose careers and lives owe so much to the web Why isn’t The Internet Archive fully funded for a few lifetimes? Think of all the people you respect who are wealthy and love being able to pull up stuff on TIA & are convinced generally they should be people who pay their fair share. Some of you MUST know plenty I figure… where are the donations? (I would’ve thought we’d be to the point of the big thing being how to prevent archives of your content with also dozens of GhostArchive.org -like alternatives all also well funded who all devise workarounds of blocking schemes, & how to prevent content watermarking from getting archiver accounts/IPs banned. Instead it’s “hey remember us please send $10 to the Archive.org “ meanwhile we are literally all here, on the web)

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none2585 5mo ago

Feels like we're in the realm of extra-judicial justice more and more every day.

asfdg12 5mo ago
This is why I am wondering why so many here do not fight in their own area of expertise against the establishment of new feudal AI overlords. It would be so easy. If everyone lets these structures develop and does nothing, things will get worse. Wait how the suppression will be if Musk, Thiel, Altman and Amodei are your feudal lords that control your job. (If you say you cannot do anything because your manager orders you to, watch Yes Minister and learn how it is done. In software all you need to say is that you are trying, but you constantly have to revert bugs introduced by the clankers, which is true anyway. Yes, and you need to do it in a team.)
pinkmuffinere 5mo ago
Ya, honestly it is getting scarier than I thought it would. I disliked him from the outset, but figured "after his term we'll at least return to normalcy and fix things". Now I'm much less confident, but desperately hope it goes back to normal after the next election. Maybe we can use this experience to strengthen the institutions that crumbled under the pressure.
- mindslight 5mo ago
  The institutions "crumbled" because of the hostile Supreme Council with its "unitary executive" theory (aka sparkling autocracy). The only way we're going to have institutions again is a Constitutional amendment laying out that Congress can charter independent agencies. I'd suggest their heads be directly elected by the People. And of course we've got to get rid of the supplicants on the Council too, and then maybe we can call it a Court again.
- atmavatar 5mo ago
  > "after his term we'll at least return to normalcy and fix things" We'll only return to normalcy after Trump upon implementing our own Nuremburg-style trials for members of his administration and enacting a number of constitutional amendments to fix the structural failures which allowed it to come this far. Even then, it would take at least a generation before the rest of the world will consider treating the US as a sane, good-faith member of the global community. Unfortunately, the chances of either reform occurring are near zero right now. The only way to get enough support for such reforms requires the bulk of the MAGA cult wake from their delirium, which won't happen unless/until things get a lot worse. Loyalists have a pretty large capacity to compartmentalize their dislike of actions taken by Trump separate from their support of Trump the person, even when you can get past the "fake news" mantra that lets them dismiss anything negative which doesn't affect them directly.
  - FireBeyond 5mo ago
    > Loyalists have a pretty large capacity to compartmentalize their dislike of actions taken by Trump separate from their support of Trump the person, even when you can get past the "fake news" mantra that lets them dismiss anything negative which doesn't affect them directly. Absolutely so. Even today a member of the Administration was asked about the $1.8B slush fund and the appropriateness of banning the IRS from auditing not just Trump, but his children and their families (i.e. Kushner, etc.). The response had the name "Biden" in the first six words out of his mouth. Bear in mind, apropos of anything else the leak of his tax return was during Trump's administration, under Trump's choice of IRS commissioner, from a contractor who worked for a GOP-affiliated company working with the IRS. But as you say - just say "Biden" and a sadly not-insignificant subset of the population will automatically begin rewiring neural pathways.
justinclift 5mo ago
Yeah, pretty sure the US is headed right toward civil war.
- burnt-resistor 5mo ago
  The only war is class war. Anyone not a centamillionaire should get together and take the power back from the criminal slime.

The_Blade 5mo ago

ref unpersons

grassfedgeek 5mo ago

Most people seem to think the 1.8B slush fund Trump wants is for rewarding Jan 6 defendants who participated in the insurrection. I think it is for something worse: it is for rewarding those who participate in the next insurrection. If you look at how dictators such as Kim Jong Un operate, a wannabe dictator needs two things. (1) A compliant military that is willing to punish people who oppose the dictator, and (2) a slush fund for rewarding people who support the dictator. For (1): The gathering of generals and top military leaders on September 30, 2025 was to make it clear to them what is expected of them (be willing to attack democrat-controlled cities when called to, and quit if they aren't willing to do that). For (2): that's what the 1.8B slush fund is for.

anonymousiam 5mo ago
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- pineaux 5mo ago
  Nah, its not that they were trespassing. Its that they were trespassing while shouting that they were going to hang pence. It was because they were part of a group that attacked police officers. The goal of the trespassing counts.
  - anonymousiam 5mo ago
    There are different narratives describing J6. Not everyone who entered the capitol was calling for a Pence hanging. Some who never entered the Capitol were later arrested for somehow trespassing on the surrounding grounds (because of unannounced security protocols). The number of undercover FBI agents present among the J6 protestors has never been revealed, and the FBI has a history of inciting terror to obtain convictions. https://www.reuters.com/legal/capitol-riot-defendants-face-upheld-trespassing-charges-us-court-2024-10-22 https://www.reuters.com/legal/capitol-riot-defendants-face-u... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies
    - 5mo ago

aaron695 5mo ago

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shepherdjerred 5mo ago

The French were really onto something with the guillotine and the ruling class

orwin 5mo ago
We kinda need to get it out of the closet, remove the rust and dust, grease it and use it ourselves for a year or two, but we can lend it to you circa 2029 if you really need it.