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Elections have consequences.
by LogicFailsMe 5mo ago
Elections have consequences.
- jmclnx 5mo agoyes and the results and actions taken after the Nov 6 US elections may undo some of the damage. But no other country will ever trust the foreign policy of the US no matter what happens.
- sscaryterry 5mo agoThis. Once bitten, twice shy
- drcongo 5mo agoFool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again.
- throwaway-blaze 5mo ago[flagged]
- smaudet 5mo agoOh, don't worry, the way it's going other countries will be fast motivated to defend themselves from said foreign policy...or perish.
- etchalon 5mo agoIt's absolutely shocking how many people believe other countries lack the means to defend themselves.
- EB-BarringtonII 5mo agoUS protection can be valuable, but US dependence is dangerous. The world is moving on.
- HerbManic 5mo agoIt is a combination of moving fast and slow. A lot of Canadians now avoid purchasing products from the US were possible. Mean while their government while still dependent on the US is making the moves that will minimise their dependence on them over the coming decades. I am seeing similar positions in other countries now.
- rockskon 5mo agoNever say never. Germany seems to have recovered quite a lot of trust following World War 2, to provide an extreme example of bad foreign policy.
- iamtheworstdev 5mo agothey're also on the cusp of throwing it all away, again.
- HerbManic 5mo agoIt is wild seeing the elctorial maps of Germany and you can almost exactly recreate the East-West split. Decades later and it is coming back to haunt them.
- apothegm 5mo agoTbf, the east/west split is the one part that wasn’t the Nazis’ fault unless indirectly as a consequence of starting and losing a second World War in a row.
- tommit 5mo agotbf the east-west split never really stopped haunting Germany. its not like it came suddenly. there are a lot of systemic errors that lead to this.
- guyzero 5mo agoDo you think the US is going to have Nuremberg trials? Do you think there will be a deep national reckoning about what happened?
- MisterTea 5mo agoNever say never. > Do you think there will be a deep national reckoning about what happened? About half of the people I know who voted for Trump this past election have deep regrets.
- dyauspitr 5mo agoI don’t think November 6 is going to be a reprieve. They have rigged the system so much that I don’t think it’s actually possible for the Democrats to make a comeback.
- billfor 5mo agoIf they lose it will be because they don’t track unfavorabilty ratings for your democrats as much as they do the current admin. It’s not enough (for moderates) to just say you hate the other guy.
- dyauspitr 5mo agoThe thing is a lot of people hate the other guy. It’s just that all this rigging just means they’re going to be disenfranchised.
- GolfPopper 5mo agoEven if the Democrats do make a comeback, they have spent half a century demonstrating that they are an, at best, an inadequate counter to America's awful political tendencies.
- dyauspitr 5mo agoI actually like what they have done in the past, they’re level headed and reasonable. What I can’t stand and it makes my blood boil that they are completely ineffective without a political mandate. It’s a bunch of career politician cowards that may do well when everything is by the book but they remain completely emasculated when it comes to getting their agenda through. The Republicans even without a mandate will shuck and jive their way into getting their way.
- HerbManic 5mo agoThere is the military saying "Once is an accident, twice is an attack", this is how a lot of folks see it. I think it is deeper, that these actions were taken at the top and a sizable amount of the people sided with them, that sends the message that the US cannot be trusted long term, it has become cultural. I get that it isnt a majority of people but it is big enough that it cannot be ignored.
- boricj 5mo ago"We cannot leave the security of Europe in the hands of voters in Wisconsin every four years." Not trusting the Americans was a French thing ever since De Gaulle. It just took the rest of the Europeans 50 years after his death to pick up on it.
- HerbManic 5mo agoThat is a brilliant line. And yes Emanuel Macron has been taking this treat seriously as he is very well versed on Da Gaulle. He might not have the best domestic moves but when it comes to Geopolitics, he is all over it.
- baggachipz 5mo ago> yes and the results and actions taken after the Nov 6 US elections may undo some of the damage You're assuming that 1) the elections will actually occur on Nov 6, 2) the elections will be fair, and 3) that the winners of said elections would take action and actually enforce the rule of law. I'm not confident in any of those.
- HerbManic 5mo agoIt will be interesting to see what happens. Many are hoping that there is a very strong turn out for the Democrat's so that any rigging cannot over come it, but this sounds like fan fiction to me. That said Trump hitting Iran may be the single biggest blunder of his political career, media influence can only go so far when there is a direct impact on all prices and potential stock availability in the coming months. Hopefully a lot of the fears don't pan out but we won't know until it gets closer. I'm not saying that there aren't better options but both major parties are complicit in how the system is organised. The US electoral system gets ever more distorted with every minor adjustment in the hopes of swinging various seats in their favour and now it just looks ridiculous.
- hattmall 5mo agoReally? Like Italy, Germany, Japan, etc can be trusted but after, I'm not even sure what exactly, the US is fully and forever untrustworthy??
- Lapel2742 5mo ago> Like Italy, Germany, Japan, etc can be trusted but after, I'm not even sure what exactly, the US is fully and forever untrustworthy?? It took two generations and a new constitution for Germans to regain trust again. You cannot trust the current generation of U.S. Americans, and the U.S. Constitution certainly does not alleviate that concern. They elect a god-king like president who seemingly has unlimited authority. Why would you trust such a country for more than four years? Edit: > but after, I'm not even sure what exactly Killing people outside the USA left and right without due process? Starting a war and thinking that it is fun while the whole world is suffering because of that war? Kidnapping a head of state? Cosying up to the enemy of your allies during a war? Threatening allies? Declaring parts of an allied country as your own? Supporting Nazis in allied countries? Supporting separatism in a province of your neighbor (and until recently your closest ally)? Proudly telling the world what country the USA will assault next? ...
- cyanydeez 5mo agono one thought the consequences would include giving 1.8 billion dollars of American taxes to the people who tried to violently overthrow the government and to those who are successfully leading a bloodless coupe. Well, most people, obviously.
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- bigyabai 5mo agoThen enumerate them.
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- bigyabai 5mo agoBut not too scared to import Chinese EVs, apparently. Maybe a trade agreement would be a better coercive tool?
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- GolfPopper 5mo agoThe election outcome itself was the consequence of gross, systemic failure throughout the entirety of the United States' citizenry, society, institutions, and government. The best thing for the States to do at this point would be to hold a Constitutional Convention and dissolve the government of the United States as unfit for any purpose, after which their citizens can decide how they wish to proceed.
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- zulux 5mo agoNot an easy idea when about ten states have enough nuclear weapons to glass the earth.
- hattmall 5mo agoDamn, a few years of Trump and your solution is to dissolve the US? Really?
- defrost 5mo agoThat was essentially the advice given by Benjamin Franklin, although he suggested turning it off and then on again before a Despot appears otherwise it would be inevitable that a Despot would appear.
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- gmuslera 5mo agoEven not participating in elections have consecuences, at least for proper democratic countries. But in countries where participation is mandatory, at least you can say that most of the (national) negatively affected people got what they voted for. For improper "democratic" countries where elections are rigged or participation is biased towards some population sectors in a way or another, they are not really elections by the population.
- jonahbenton 5mo agoNo, not this story. This story is that of Netflix' Chaos Monkey attacking the state most rhetorically aligned/proud of The Rule Of Law and showing in myriad ways how absolutely hollow that pride was and how vulnerable The Law is. Are these bugs that get fixed or...if that was The Last Election, maybe not.
- throwawaypath 5mo agoPushing an unpopular platform loss after loss also has consequencess.
- jmye 5mo ago[flagged]