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It should be noted that this user is basically an OAI shill account. You can look through their history to see this quite clearly. Anecdata, but I have a frien

by urams 5mo ago

It should be noted that this user is basically an OAI shill account. You can look through their history to see this quite clearly. Anecdata, but I have a friend at OAI who claims that on both twitter and HN there is mild coordination of OAI employees to signal boost pro-OAI and anti-competitor messaging.

cactusplant7374 5mo ago
Let's talk specifics. Codex limits are very generous and developers care greatly about access to affordable compute.
- solenoid0937 5mo ago
  Let's not pretend that any company will keep unsustainable limits forever. You can go to codex for free compute; they will enshittify the moment they build a meaningful lead over their competitors After seeing the whole internet being enshittified I'm still shocked people don't see through these very transparent tactics that every tech company has employed since 2012 or so.
  - jrsj 5mo ago
    This is true of course and I don’t think these heavily subsidized plans will be around forever, but at the same time OpenAI is just less compute constrained than Anthropic right now as well so they’re in a stronger position to be able to offer these subsidies. GPT models are also generally more token efficient right now and that helps too — you can go a lot further on a $20 subscription with Codex than Claude Code as a result of this. Ultimately I think many day to day tasks just need to shift away from the latest frontier models towards models that are faster, cheaper, and still perform well enough & you can phase out subsidies while keeping total cost reasonable.
    - solenoid0937 5mo ago
      Ever since limits were doubled I never really ran into them on Claude code, but I get where you're coming from. Personally if I don't need a frontier model I use a local LLM. Or one of the Chinese ones through OpenRouter.
  - cactusplant7374 5mo ago
    I care about the compute I can access today.
    - solenoid0937 5mo ago
      Totally understandable, but then you forgo your right to complain about enshittification tomorrow!
      - cactusplant7374 5mo ago
        Both Codex and Claude have had many issues with disbursing the correct compute for the week. Move fast and break things? It's a weekly thing now.
- bastawhiz 5mo ago
  That's like rewinding to 2015 and saying "Uber prices [versus Lyft] are very fair and riders care greatly about access to affordable transportation"
  - cactusplant7374 5mo ago
    I'm living the day. Whatever happens next is unpredictable. But Codex surely is the best value today.
jrsj 5mo ago
It’s gotten better within the last month or so but historically there’s been an excessive amount of anti-OAI and pro-Anthropic activity on this site as well and I’ve seen numerous posts get downvoted and almost instantly flagged for calling this out more politely than you have here. So at least anecdotally I really don’t think it’s fair to portray this as OAI doing some sort of social media psyop as if others aren’t engaged in similar behavior. It’s also very possible that this user just has opinions and tends to think OAI is more developer friendly / that Anthropic is hostile to developers (which is common sentiment I’ve seen from many real people who are definitely not paid OAI shills or something)
- solenoid0937 5mo ago
  IDK if I'd call it "better." HN did a massive 180 in the last month or two, and nearly every post or comment related to Anthropic is just a hate post. The amount of anger against Anthropic on HN doesn't reflect anything I see in reality (and I work at a pretty big FAANG with Codex and Claude Code, both are great) so I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing or doing PR at all.
  - wiether 5mo ago
    > I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing or doing PR at all. That is a very HN-minded comment. Sure, there's probably some accounts that are more or less controlled by the big AI labs here. But looking at how humans have been acting for the last 20 years, you'll see that you don't need to pay people to promote things. They'll do it freely, because they identify with it and they can't fathom other people not agreeing with them. Do you really thing that the weekly posts about people dropping AWS for Hetzner are paid by the German company? No. People have limited time and money. Some picked Claude, others picked Codex. Claude seems to be the most popular in terms of content produced about it. So some people probably picked Codex just because they don't want to be like everyone else. Then they obviously have to talk down about Claude, because if Codex is not better, then they are not. Simple. And from my POV that's not a good thing because HN was the place where people didn't act like this. It was pragmatism and honest debate. Now it's becoming: my agent is better than X, my stack is better than Y...
tinyhouse 5mo ago
OpenAI and Anthropic are both private companies with lots of individual investors such as employees, secondary-market buyers, and so on, who stand to become multi-millionaires. So most of what you read about them here is probably colored by someone's financial interests. Not that it's gonna make a difference, but people are just being people.
- JJOKOCHAA 5mo ago
  So are you saying they are putting out false information?
  - tinyhouse 5mo ago
    False is too strong. Biased information is more appropriate.
nicce 5mo ago
Does it matter? What of their claims were false? You should undo the claims, not attack the account.
- whimsicalism 5mo ago
  > threatens every use of cc in oss community. well that ones obviously patently false
- BeetleB 5mo ago
  The deeper issue is that the comment isn't adding anything to the conversation. It's simply a list of criticisms about Anthropic. If it were an analysis of why this acquisition is so bad, I'd agree with your stance. But the only thing the comment appears to do is try to make them look bad.
- BowBun 5mo ago
  > Does it matter? It sure does, readers should be informed of who says what. The speaker and their history is part of full communication, not just the words.
- urams 5mo ago
  I think you would be right if their post was substantive in relation to the topic, but it's not. It's a list of grievances almost all of which are unrelated. Despite this, it was at the top of the replies to the topic.
  - deleted 5mo ago
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- dasil003 5mo ago
  In the age of AI you can't "undo the claims" for randos on the internet. I mean it was hard enough before, but at this point it's now a direct money -> speech pipeline. Reputation will matter more than ever before.
- dwaltrip 5mo ago
  Bullshit spreads around the word before the truth can even get its shoes on. So on and so forth. Naive credentialism is obviously bad, but reputation does matter.
vips7L 5mo ago
This entire forum is Anthropic or OpenAI shills.
embedding-shape 5mo ago
> who claims that on both twitter and HN there is mild coordination of OAI employees to signal boost pro-OAI and anti-competitor messaging. This happens for every single company that has twitter/HN/reddit users from the same company on the same platforms, I think it's also short of impossible to stop. I don't think I haven't worked in a single company in the last decade where that hasn't happened, in a range of scales. If you weren't already, which you should have been really, you should be suspicious about anything you come across on the internet :)

by urams 5mo ago

cactusplant7374 5mo ago

Let's talk specifics. Codex limits are very generous and developers care greatly about access to affordable compute.

solenoid0937 5mo ago
Let's not pretend that any company will keep unsustainable limits forever. You can go to codex for free compute; they will enshittify the moment they build a meaningful lead over their competitors After seeing the whole internet being enshittified I'm still shocked people don't see through these very transparent tactics that every tech company has employed since 2012 or so.
- jrsj 5mo ago
  This is true of course and I don’t think these heavily subsidized plans will be around forever, but at the same time OpenAI is just less compute constrained than Anthropic right now as well so they’re in a stronger position to be able to offer these subsidies. GPT models are also generally more token efficient right now and that helps too — you can go a lot further on a $20 subscription with Codex than Claude Code as a result of this. Ultimately I think many day to day tasks just need to shift away from the latest frontier models towards models that are faster, cheaper, and still perform well enough & you can phase out subsidies while keeping total cost reasonable.
  - solenoid0937 5mo ago
    Ever since limits were doubled I never really ran into them on Claude code, but I get where you're coming from. Personally if I don't need a frontier model I use a local LLM. Or one of the Chinese ones through OpenRouter.
- cactusplant7374 5mo ago
  I care about the compute I can access today.
  - solenoid0937 5mo ago
    Totally understandable, but then you forgo your right to complain about enshittification tomorrow!
    - cactusplant7374 5mo ago
      Both Codex and Claude have had many issues with disbursing the correct compute for the week. Move fast and break things? It's a weekly thing now.
bastawhiz 5mo ago
That's like rewinding to 2015 and saying "Uber prices [versus Lyft] are very fair and riders care greatly about access to affordable transportation"
- cactusplant7374 5mo ago
  I'm living the day. Whatever happens next is unpredictable. But Codex surely is the best value today.

jrsj 5mo ago

It’s gotten better within the last month or so but historically there’s been an excessive amount of anti-OAI and pro-Anthropic activity on this site as well and I’ve seen numerous posts get downvoted and almost instantly flagged for calling this out more politely than you have here. So at least anecdotally I really don’t think it’s fair to portray this as OAI doing some sort of social media psyop as if others aren’t engaged in similar behavior. It’s also very possible that this user just has opinions and tends to think OAI is more developer friendly / that Anthropic is hostile to developers (which is common sentiment I’ve seen from many real people who are definitely not paid OAI shills or something)

solenoid0937 5mo ago
IDK if I'd call it "better." HN did a massive 180 in the last month or two, and nearly every post or comment related to Anthropic is just a hate post. The amount of anger against Anthropic on HN doesn't reflect anything I see in reality (and I work at a pretty big FAANG with Codex and Claude Code, both are great) so I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing or doing PR at all.
- wiether 5mo ago
  > I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing or doing PR at all. That is a very HN-minded comment. Sure, there's probably some accounts that are more or less controlled by the big AI labs here. But looking at how humans have been acting for the last 20 years, you'll see that you don't need to pay people to promote things. They'll do it freely, because they identify with it and they can't fathom other people not agreeing with them. Do you really thing that the weekly posts about people dropping AWS for Hetzner are paid by the German company? No. People have limited time and money. Some picked Claude, others picked Codex. Claude seems to be the most popular in terms of content produced about it. So some people probably picked Codex just because they don't want to be like everyone else. Then they obviously have to talk down about Claude, because if Codex is not better, then they are not. Simple. And from my POV that's not a good thing because HN was the place where people didn't act like this. It was pragmatism and honest debate. Now it's becoming: my agent is better than X, my stack is better than Y...

tinyhouse 5mo ago

OpenAI and Anthropic are both private companies with lots of individual investors such as employees, secondary-market buyers, and so on, who stand to become multi-millionaires. So most of what you read about them here is probably colored by someone's financial interests. Not that it's gonna make a difference, but people are just being people.

JJOKOCHAA 5mo ago
So are you saying they are putting out false information?
- tinyhouse 5mo ago
  False is too strong. Biased information is more appropriate.

nicce 5mo ago

Does it matter? What of their claims were false? You should undo the claims, not attack the account.

whimsicalism 5mo ago
> threatens every use of cc in oss community. well that ones obviously patently false
BeetleB 5mo ago
The deeper issue is that the comment isn't adding anything to the conversation. It's simply a list of criticisms about Anthropic. If it were an analysis of why this acquisition is so bad, I'd agree with your stance. But the only thing the comment appears to do is try to make them look bad.
BowBun 5mo ago
> Does it matter? It sure does, readers should be informed of who says what. The speaker and their history is part of full communication, not just the words.
urams 5mo ago
I think you would be right if their post was substantive in relation to the topic, but it's not. It's a list of grievances almost all of which are unrelated. Despite this, it was at the top of the replies to the topic.
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]
dasil003 5mo ago
In the age of AI you can't "undo the claims" for randos on the internet. I mean it was hard enough before, but at this point it's now a direct money -> speech pipeline. Reputation will matter more than ever before.
dwaltrip 5mo ago
Bullshit spreads around the word before the truth can even get its shoes on. So on and so forth. Naive credentialism is obviously bad, but reputation does matter.

vips7L 5mo ago

This entire forum is Anthropic or OpenAI shills.

embedding-shape 5mo ago

> who claims that on both twitter and HN there is mild coordination of OAI employees to signal boost pro-OAI and anti-competitor messaging. This happens for every single company that has twitter/HN/reddit users from the same company on the same platforms, I think it's also short of impossible to stop. I don't think I haven't worked in a single company in the last decade where that hasn't happened, in a range of scales. If you weren't already, which you should have been really, you should be suspicious about anything you come across on the internet :)