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Anthropic is getting extremely petty and especially against oai - ad in superbowl about how they are the good guys. - dow public PR stunt (they are the ones t

Anthropic is getting extremely petty and especially against oai - ad in superbowl about how they are the good guys. - dow public PR stunt (they are the ones to give Palantir their model access). - sues openclaw. - threatens every use of cc in oss community. - prevents other companies using claude saying they cant use when they compete. - never released a single open weight model. - Dario told OAI is Yolo'ing in compute and they are now doing the same. - gas lighting developers and then after weeks acknowledging they fiddled with reasoning juice. - fear mongoring on mythos and then geting compute later and acknowledging publicly once they realized its not significantly better than gpt 5.5 cyber. - signs a deal with Elon! - now this!

nkohari 5mo ago
It's really insulting to the Stainless team to dismiss this acquisition as some sort of chess move against OpenAI. Give me a break.
sunnybeetroot 5mo ago
Where did they acknowledge publicly mythos was fear mongered? Grok returned no evidence.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 5mo ago
  Maybe you should ask Grok to explain what GP said
  - sunnybeetroot 5mo ago
    I did and it couldn’t find evidence of Anthropic backtracking on Mythos fear mongering. I used Grok given it has access to all Twitter data and these kind of things would have been newsworthy on Twitter. The most I could find is this report showing Mythos isn’t any more groundbreaking that GPT 5.5. https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-openais-gpt-5-5-cyber-capabilities https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-openais-gpt-5... If you or anyone had any evidence to support GP’s claim I’d love a reference to it.
PunchTornado 5mo ago
Oai deserves everything bad that happens to them.
- deleted 5mo ago
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- bko 5mo ago
  Why? They started the whole chatbot paradigm. They took the leap and are very generous with free tiers. I know people are upset about the non-profit thing but the fact is that was pretty much the only way forward if they wanted to have LLMs have the impact that they are having today. It's very much a question if they'll ever turn a profit. But overall I'm grateful OpenAI had the vision to get this ball rolling when companies like Google have been sitting on this for nearly a decade and were too afraid to invest a tiny portion of their billions to bring this to fruition because they were afraid of either cannibalization of their search business or offending a vocal minority of internet people.
  - jasonmp85 5mo ago
    [dead]
  - tpm 5mo ago
    They support Trump.
  - AlexCoventry 5mo ago
    They jumped into a contract with Hegseth, after Hegseth made it abundantly clear through his negotiations with Anthropic that any counterparty of his would have to assist with domestic mass surveillance and unsupervised lethal autonomous weapons, or face severe penalties.
  - 650REDHAIR 5mo ago
    Because Altman is an objectively bad person, mostly.
  - Computer0 5mo ago
embedding-shape 5mo ago
Maybe you're right about the rest, but about the topic, how does "this!" equal to Anthopic being petty against OpenAI? Is OpenAI using Stainless a lot already, or is it something else? Your comment seems to be missing how the first and last line are related. FWIW, I don't think anyone involved here is "the good guys".
- hobofan 5mo ago
  All main OpenAI SDK libraries are made with stainless[0][1]. [0]: https://github.com/openai/openai-python https://github.com/openai/openai-python [1]: https://github.com/openai/openai-node https://github.com/openai/openai-node
paxys 5mo ago
How is this acquisition relevant to OpenAI or anything else you said?
- hobofan 5mo ago
  All main OpenAI SDK libraries are made with stainless[0][1]. [0]: https://github.com/openai/openai-python https://github.com/openai/openai-python [1]: https://github.com/openai/openai-node https://github.com/openai/openai-node
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regexorcist 5mo ago
Yeah it's crazy how they're burning developer goodwill. I've personally cancelled and resent them for not being able to delete my claude code session (that button was misteriously the only one in the UI to throw an error, I tried every day for two weeks).
- axpy906 5mo ago
  You know that’s probably just a Db flag right? They will persist your data unless it’s zdr
- max__dev 5mo ago
  Had to turn off adblock to delete my sessions (firefox, ublock) Seems to be daisy chained through their telemetry service. Kinda bizarre.
- conradfr 5mo ago
  There's no bug in any Claude products. After all, it's entirely coded by Claude Code.
urams 5mo ago
It should be noted that this user is basically an OAI shill account. You can look through their history to see this quite clearly. Anecdata, but I have a friend at OAI who claims that on both twitter and HN there is mild coordination of OAI employees to signal boost pro-OAI and anti-competitor messaging.
- cactusplant7374 5mo ago
  Let's talk specifics. Codex limits are very generous and developers care greatly about access to affordable compute.
  - solenoid0937 5mo ago
    Let's not pretend that any company will keep unsustainable limits forever. You can go to codex for free compute; they will enshittify the moment they build a meaningful lead over their competitors After seeing the whole internet being enshittified I'm still shocked people don't see through these very transparent tactics that every tech company has employed since 2012 or so.
    - jrsj 5mo ago
      This is true of course and I don’t think these heavily subsidized plans will be around forever, but at the same time OpenAI is just less compute constrained than Anthropic right now as well so they’re in a stronger position to be able to offer these subsidies. GPT models are also generally more token efficient right now and that helps too — you can go a lot further on a $20 subscription with Codex than Claude Code as a result of this. Ultimately I think many day to day tasks just need to shift away from the latest frontier models towards models that are faster, cheaper, and still perform well enough & you can phase out subsidies while keeping total cost reasonable.
      - solenoid0937 5mo ago
        Ever since limits were doubled I never really ran into them on Claude code, but I get where you're coming from. Personally if I don't need a frontier model I use a local LLM. Or one of the Chinese ones through OpenRouter.
AlexCoventry 5mo ago
> signs a deal with Elon! Expect grok to improve dramatically as Musk reverse-engineers the Anthropic services running on his hardware.
xvector 5mo ago
For some reason I don't see you calling OAI petty when they donated $20M to Trump & worked a secret deal with Hegseth to usurp Anthropic and erase the red lines they had in place. Starting a race to the bottom where every AI company agrees to "all lawful use" such as mass domestic surveillance and fully autonomous weapons, probably increasing p(doom) by some amount. All to stick it to Anthropic. That's not petty to you? To me it is an order of magnitude bigger than all of the stuff you've described. I suspect some people here just work for OAI.
whimsicalism 5mo ago
Curious - are you affiliated with OpenAI?
- xvector 5mo ago
  They are almost certainly an OAI employee, reading their history.
preommr 5mo ago
> dow I was wondering what the Dow jones stock index thing was... It took me a minute, but I am guessing this means department of war? It feels strange to see terminology evolve like this over my lifetime. At first I thought this might've been a 'freedom fries' thing, but I guess it's pretty official now.
- unethical_ban 5mo ago
  The mistyped DoD, because there is no Department of War.
- nerdsniper 5mo ago
  It's not official. It's literally the same thing as 'freedom fries'. The executive branch can't rename the Department of Defense, only Congress can, and they haven't. The instant Trump leaves office, the only people who will still refer to it as the DoW will be die-hard 'Trumpers'.
smith7018 5mo ago
They didn't sue OpenClaw; they sent a C&D over the name. That's how trademark law works. If they didn't defend their name then anyone can use it.
ipaddr 5mo ago
I can live with those but not their token cost.
pdantix 5mo ago
if this is petty, then i'd love to know where openai employees having claude derangement syndrome sits on the petty scale

nkohari 5mo ago

It's really insulting to the Stainless team to dismiss this acquisition as some sort of chess move against OpenAI. Give me a break.

sunnybeetroot 5mo ago

Where did they acknowledge publicly mythos was fear mongered? Grok returned no evidence.

OsrsNeedsf2P 5mo ago
Maybe you should ask Grok to explain what GP said
- sunnybeetroot 5mo ago
  I did and it couldn’t find evidence of Anthropic backtracking on Mythos fear mongering. I used Grok given it has access to all Twitter data and these kind of things would have been newsworthy on Twitter. The most I could find is this report showing Mythos isn’t any more groundbreaking that GPT 5.5. https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-openais-gpt-5-5-cyber-capabilities https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-openais-gpt-5... If you or anyone had any evidence to support GP’s claim I’d love a reference to it.

PunchTornado 5mo ago

Oai deserves everything bad that happens to them.

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bko 5mo ago
Why? They started the whole chatbot paradigm. They took the leap and are very generous with free tiers. I know people are upset about the non-profit thing but the fact is that was pretty much the only way forward if they wanted to have LLMs have the impact that they are having today. It's very much a question if they'll ever turn a profit. But overall I'm grateful OpenAI had the vision to get this ball rolling when companies like Google have been sitting on this for nearly a decade and were too afraid to invest a tiny portion of their billions to bring this to fruition because they were afraid of either cannibalization of their search business or offending a vocal minority of internet people.
- jasonmp85 5mo ago
  [dead]
- tpm 5mo ago
  They support Trump.
- AlexCoventry 5mo ago
  They jumped into a contract with Hegseth, after Hegseth made it abundantly clear through his negotiations with Anthropic that any counterparty of his would have to assist with domestic mass surveillance and unsupervised lethal autonomous weapons, or face severe penalties.
- 650REDHAIR 5mo ago
  Because Altman is an objectively bad person, mostly.
- Computer0 5mo ago

embedding-shape 5mo ago

Maybe you're right about the rest, but about the topic, how does "this!" equal to Anthopic being petty against OpenAI? Is OpenAI using Stainless a lot already, or is it something else? Your comment seems to be missing how the first and last line are related. FWIW, I don't think anyone involved here is "the good guys".

hobofan 5mo ago
All main OpenAI SDK libraries are made with stainless[0][1]. [0]: https://github.com/openai/openai-python https://github.com/openai/openai-python [1]: https://github.com/openai/openai-node https://github.com/openai/openai-node

paxys 5mo ago

How is this acquisition relevant to OpenAI or anything else you said?

hobofan 5mo ago
All main OpenAI SDK libraries are made with stainless[0][1]. [0]: https://github.com/openai/openai-python https://github.com/openai/openai-python [1]: https://github.com/openai/openai-node https://github.com/openai/openai-node

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regexorcist 5mo ago

Yeah it's crazy how they're burning developer goodwill. I've personally cancelled and resent them for not being able to delete my claude code session (that button was misteriously the only one in the UI to throw an error, I tried every day for two weeks).

axpy906 5mo ago
You know that’s probably just a Db flag right? They will persist your data unless it’s zdr
max__dev 5mo ago
Had to turn off adblock to delete my sessions (firefox, ublock) Seems to be daisy chained through their telemetry service. Kinda bizarre.
conradfr 5mo ago
There's no bug in any Claude products. After all, it's entirely coded by Claude Code.

urams 5mo ago

It should be noted that this user is basically an OAI shill account. You can look through their history to see this quite clearly. Anecdata, but I have a friend at OAI who claims that on both twitter and HN there is mild coordination of OAI employees to signal boost pro-OAI and anti-competitor messaging.

cactusplant7374 5mo ago
Let's talk specifics. Codex limits are very generous and developers care greatly about access to affordable compute.
- solenoid0937 5mo ago
  Let's not pretend that any company will keep unsustainable limits forever. You can go to codex for free compute; they will enshittify the moment they build a meaningful lead over their competitors After seeing the whole internet being enshittified I'm still shocked people don't see through these very transparent tactics that every tech company has employed since 2012 or so.
  - jrsj 5mo ago
    This is true of course and I don’t think these heavily subsidized plans will be around forever, but at the same time OpenAI is just less compute constrained than Anthropic right now as well so they’re in a stronger position to be able to offer these subsidies. GPT models are also generally more token efficient right now and that helps too — you can go a lot further on a $20 subscription with Codex than Claude Code as a result of this. Ultimately I think many day to day tasks just need to shift away from the latest frontier models towards models that are faster, cheaper, and still perform well enough & you can phase out subsidies while keeping total cost reasonable.
    - solenoid0937 5mo ago
      Ever since limits were doubled I never really ran into them on Claude code, but I get where you're coming from. Personally if I don't need a frontier model I use a local LLM. Or one of the Chinese ones through OpenRouter.

AlexCoventry 5mo ago

> signs a deal with Elon! Expect grok to improve dramatically as Musk reverse-engineers the Anthropic services running on his hardware.

xvector 5mo ago

For some reason I don't see you calling OAI petty when they donated $20M to Trump & worked a secret deal with Hegseth to usurp Anthropic and erase the red lines they had in place. Starting a race to the bottom where every AI company agrees to "all lawful use" such as mass domestic surveillance and fully autonomous weapons, probably increasing p(doom) by some amount. All to stick it to Anthropic. That's not petty to you? To me it is an order of magnitude bigger than all of the stuff you've described. I suspect some people here just work for OAI.

whimsicalism 5mo ago

Curious - are you affiliated with OpenAI?

xvector 5mo ago
They are almost certainly an OAI employee, reading their history.

preommr 5mo ago

> dow I was wondering what the Dow jones stock index thing was... It took me a minute, but I am guessing this means department of war? It feels strange to see terminology evolve like this over my lifetime. At first I thought this might've been a 'freedom fries' thing, but I guess it's pretty official now.

unethical_ban 5mo ago
The mistyped DoD, because there is no Department of War.
nerdsniper 5mo ago
It's not official. It's literally the same thing as 'freedom fries'. The executive branch can't rename the Department of Defense, only Congress can, and they haven't. The instant Trump leaves office, the only people who will still refer to it as the DoW will be die-hard 'Trumpers'.

smith7018 5mo ago

They didn't sue OpenClaw; they sent a C&D over the name. That's how trademark law works. If they didn't defend their name then anyone can use it.

ipaddr 5mo ago

I can live with those but not their token cost.

pdantix 5mo ago

if this is petty, then i'd love to know where openai employees having claude derangement syndrome sits on the petty scale