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Anyone on the Internet Can Ring Your Doorbell
- EtienneDeLyon 5mo agoI wonder how I would feel about that, if I was alone at home, and lonely. Would it cheer me that people were reaching out and ringing my doorbell? Or would it make me sad because I would be reminded that there was not a friend ringing at the door?
- mrsvanwinkle 5mo agonoticed how spam has that utility for many elderly (which further incentivizes the abuse)
- DonHopkins 5mo agoI'd like my doorbell camera to have a cat detector and a meow detector so when my cats meow at the door, it rings the doorbell. My cats have gps collars and distinctive fur and meows, so it could double check so other cats can't spam me. That way each cat could have its own distinctive ring (like their distinctive meow, amplified).
- GreenTim 5mo agoPlease, It's much safer to keep them indoors where they can't kill songbirds, crap on the neighbours kids lawn or get run over.
- b3lvedere 5mo agoOr an even worse idea: What if ads started ringing your doorbell suddenly?
- stackghost 5mo agoI'd be shocked if the Ring doorbells were materially more secure. I sit firmly in the "only smart device is my printer and I keep a loaded gun next to it in case it makes a weird noise" camp.
- themafia 5mo agoThe Battlestar Galactica rule. I find comfort in it as well.
- random_savv 5mo agoYour printer doesn't make weird noises?
- Bilal_io 5mo agoNothing unexpected or I am not used to
- mrsvanwinkle 5mo agohave you tried putting a loaded wep next to it?
- m463 5mo agoAll bets are off if you use unapproved third-party toner cartridges...
- taneq 5mo agoNope, just the usual things a printer mumbles to itself when it thinks it’s alone.
- teddyh 5mo agoThe original quote from 2019 is “an unexpected noise”: • <https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L> • <https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/aloi5v/programmers_know_the_risks_involved/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/aloi5v/pro...>
- aidenn0 5mo agoI would love if my printer was more dumb. It's cheaper to buy an AIO than a separate document (with duplex) and flatbed scanner.
- stackghost 5mo ago
- NetMageSCW 5mo agoThat would be impressive as my doorbell is hardwired from a button to a transformer and bell in a closet.
- simondotau 5mo agoAirtasker. Boom.
- noufalibrahim 5mo agoIt's the only way doorbells (and almost all other appliances) should be.
- compounding_it 5mo agoElectromagnetic triggers. Find the right frequency and resonate it.
- fortran77 5mo agoI could train a crow to fly over and peck it.
- DonHopkins 5mo agoTaskCrow.com
- plufz 5mo agoDon’t use those expensive escrow services, much cheaper to keep your own crows!
- ta8903 5mo agoOr just order some pizza to his address.
- ildon 5mo agoThis is a security concern as well. I'd argue even worse than the internet connected ones. Anyone at your front door (or where the button is) can easily know if you're at home, and take advantage if you're not. With the internet connected ones, you can always pretend.
- 6510 5mo agoYou could take a picture from the real footage, remove the people from it and insert yourself into the front yard. Then when they open the door act confused that you cant see them. edit: my doorbell resets if you hold it down for 10 seconds then it takes wifi credentials with a QR code and thinks you are it's new owner.
- iso1631 5mo agoadd in a "ghost"
- user01815-2 5mo agoAwesome, as it doesn't actually work from the street door right now, and I can't get the condo management company to fix it. Guess I just need to post a QR code outside?
- sandeepkd 5mo agoAnyone is probably a hyperbole here, regardless its accessible via internet, it is always in the category of relatively secure. Applies to pretty much every device connected to internet. Absolute security is a myth, it does not exists. One can argue that a particular manufacturer is relatively more secure than other, however as long as the software is changing/evolving, eventually it will opens up the possibility/window to hack it
- consp 5mo agoWhile true in general, this devices approach to security is an open doorway with a curtain in it to prevent access with they key hanging next to it in case there accidentally is a door. The security footprint is so low it should be called out as non existent.
- bdavbdav 5mo agoIs this not more targeted at “badly developed IOT” generally as opposed to “your doorbell”? Bad title.
- voidUpdate 5mo agoCan you actually access any of the doorbells on the internet with this? It reads to me like you need physical access to extract the signing keys etc over the debug port before you can actually impersonate the device
- interludead 5mo agoI think the distinction is: physical access helps bootstrap the research, but the resulting key/signing logic is not device-specific
- porshia 5mo agoYou can enumerate them against the API.
- interludead 5mo agoThe most depressing part is that none of this sounds exotic
- philipallstar 5mo agoCan ring this Temu doorbell.
- SAI_Peregrinus 5mo agoAn attack that could remotely ring my old-fashioned hard-wired doorbell would be really cool to read about. It's the classic electromechanical style with an AC line transformer wired directly between the chime & the button.
- maeln 5mo agoIf you want to do some fun hacking project, Temu and similar websites are a trove of insecure cheap IoT devices made with almost 0 security consideration. Security camera, car chargers, sport tracking devices, etc. If you are a bad actor, that is also probably a very easy way to find new ways to enroll devices in your botnet.
- vachina 5mo agoI think they’re more secure by the virtue of being niche. Nobody will build an exploit chain to sniff for and target these devices.
- maeln 5mo agoBy the virtue of being cheap garbage, they actually sell very well and can be found quite a lot in the wild. So they are not that niche.
- porshia 5mo agoSo many of them are hosting some sort of server they /have/ to talk back to. Wouldn't be so bad if they just acted entirely self contained... So the question is, what is the vendors benefit from running these servers.
- TazeTSchnitzel 5mo agoAm I the only one who eventually got irritated by the LLM-like writing style? It's not quite the usual fare, but it became hard to ignore by the end.
- grokx 5mo agoYes, I stopped reading here: > $12 on the front. Whole-network compromise on the back. Too bad since the topic on its own seems very interesting.
- holistio 5mo agoEnglish is not my native language but I consider myself a fairly advanced speaker - I hold a C2 level language certificate, lived in London, etc. These are exactly the kinds of sentences that would have gotten us outstanding grades as students of the language. I used to be proud of sentences like the latter in the above quote. I can't fathom how learning languages will change in the coming years.
- Retr0id 5mo agoSentences with that structure might be praised but semantically it is nonsense. Edit: except for prescriptivists who hate sentence fragments
- AshamedCaptain 5mo ago> These are exactly the kinds of sentences that would have gotten us outstanding grades as students of the language. Not at all? They are not even full sentences... I get that you might like the style, but there is no need for hyperbole.
- holistio 5mo agoI don't _like_ them. It's just perplexing that these are the kinds of phrases our teachers would have praised us for and now they're red flags. They annoy me just as much.
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- porshia 5mo agoWould be interesting to know if we can flash a new firmware onto this. Funnily enough I think I have one of these in my "shit to poke at" pile
- tzs 5mo agoOT: do many people who come to your door actually ring your doorbell? 95% of people who come to my door, which has a doorbell and does not have a knocker, knock. Do people just prefer knocking nowadays? Have Ring type doorbells become so common that people don't realize that a simple pushbutton beside the door with no camera can be a doorbell?
- chrisandchris 5mo agoI think that eeally depends on regions. Where I am located, nobody will ever knock and everybody uses the door bell.
- bookofjoe 5mo agoNot if you don’t have one.